At 11/16/05 04:16 AM, Coop83 wrote: I think Cloutier is an underrated Goalie. He's had a few quality seasons with Vancouver, but he never gets the credit he deserves, because he's in the small market and he didn't get exposure like Kipper did last year with the Flames' run to the finals.

I'd like to point out that Kipper has more shutouts (3). I don't think Cloutier is BAD, but just that there are more good players in front of him to help him out. That's not always the case for the Flames....

lol. Seriously though, he needs to whip them into shape and fast

He's already been punishing them with grueling skates, hehe. But they aren't doing THAT badly...They have more points than Tampa Bay in the same number of games.

At 11/16/05 08:46 AM, DancingTurkeyGod wrote: I'd like to point out that Kipper has more shutouts (3). I don't think Cloutier is BAD, but just that there are more good players in front of him to help him out. That's not always the case for the Flames....

You can prove anything with statistics. 9 out of 10 people know that

He's already been punishing them with grueling skates, hehe. But they aren't doing THAT badly...They have more points than Tampa Bay in the same number of games.

Gretzky is doing a decent job. The Coyotes are a decent team and although they have as amny points as the Lightning, there is more pressure upon the Great One to perform as a coach, because of who he is.

Avs beat the Coyotes 3-1. Marek Svatos is turning out to be a brilliant addition to my fantasy team, with his 4 game winners and his team-high 9 goals.

Who wants to see Gretzky lace up the skates and help lead Phoneix to the cup ?

I'd love to see 99 back on Gretzky. I wouldn't like to see him take the Coyotes to the cup, because I'd rather see the Avs get there, to The Holy Grail.

MOTHERFUCKER!!!
Why do the flames always have to lose to a lesser opponen!?
I wouldn't mind if the streak ended to Detroit, Vancouver or any other contender but why do they always FUCKING LOSE TO SHITTY TEAMS!!!!????.

It pisses me off so incredibly much!!!

I haven't been posting here because I didn't want to jinx the streak :P

Guys, I can't stand José Théodore anymore... he just... SUCK for fuck sake!

At 11/18/05 11:28 PM, da_pope wrote: Why do the flames always have to lose to a lesser opponen!?

Because they underestimate the opponent? Happens with a lot of teams actually...

I frown upon your team of choice

Haha. That's only because you want him to mention the Flames.

At 11/18/05 11:31 PM, CyberBlade- wrote: Guys, I can't stand José Théodore anymore... he just... SUCK for fuck sake!

I hear ya. Wasn't really a fan two years ago either. I wanted Garon to stay. But I guess the chicks (except me) dig him, right? Sad that his popularity doesn't live up to his playing performance...

Did any of you know that the Av's used to be Quebec Nordiques ? ? ? :-P

At 11/20/05 10:36 AM, Hanshinboy wrote: Did any of you know that the Av's used to be Quebec Nordiques ? ? ? :-P

Yup.

Carolina Hurricanes = Hartford Whalers
Calgary Flames = Atlanta Flames
Pheonix Coyotes = Winnipeg Jets
New Jersey Devil = Colorado Rockies = Kansas City Scouts
Dallas Stars = Minnesota Northstars

I'm pretty sure thats all of them.

You know with the new rules for this season players had to adjust to realize what they're going to be called for and what they aren't. Some have recognized that faster than others.

But just the same the officials (especially the newer ones) need to realize when players are taking advantage of them, and diving to draw a penalty call. Unfortunately the more inexperienced officials don't recognize this as well as the seasoned refs. The sad part is that not only can't they recognize this, the newer refs call infractions left and right just so they make themselves known that they are going to call a tight game. Problem is, a lot of the times they are bad calls.

I bring this up because if anyone caught the Flyers/Thrashers highlights from Friday night you'd know that the Flyers lost on OT after being up 2 late, mainly due to penalties that weren't infractions to begin with (The fact that they stink on the PK doesn't help, but they weren't infractions is my point). What bugged the hell out of me is that most of the crap calls came from a young official, #28 Chris Lee. I even had to endure him the next night as he followed the Flyers to Pittsburgh. He still made poor calls, but not as many. So I hope he doesn't officiate any of your teams games any time soon.

me gusta hockey...y tu?

I understand your frustration, but the young lads have to start SOMEWHERE. Nobody is perfect at anything, especially when inexperienced. Flyers are a good team and they'll bounce back just fine.

At 11/20/05 10:34 PM, Level10 wrote: me gusta hockey...y tu?

No se permite a los españoles de gustar el hockey.
It's against the laws of hockey. I'm serious.

At 11/20/05 10:52 PM, DancingTurkeyGod wrote: I understand your frustration, but the young lads have to start SOMEWHERE.

AHL maybe? I say you should have spent at least 10 years calling games at College to AHL levels before you're even allowed on NHL ice. Even then I say you should then be a linesman for a year. I know linesmen and refs don't exactly do the same thing, but that could give them a greater understanding of the game if they were both a linesman and have an opportunity to watch how the seasoned guys work.

Just got a couple things to say as I quickly drop by the NHL Club.

1. Go Leafs go! Hey, I gotta support my team.

2. Did anyone else see/hear about this? Apparently, Dynamo Moscow in the Russian League wants Alexander Ovechkin back saying they still have legal rights to his contract. They want to go to court over the whole deal. Meanwhile, the Capitals are saying that since he exercised his opt-out option, his contract is theirs. Clearly, the Capitals are right, but wouldn't it suck to lose a player of his calibre?

At 11/21/05 02:42 AM, -Gooch- wrote: He's one of the big reasons that the Capitals are doing anything right now.

I'd say he's the only reason that the Capitals are doing anything right now. And even then, its not much of anything. While he is an outstanding offensive player who is not afraid to both dish out and take the hits, the team cannot revolve around him. Other players, just like you said need to step it up for the Capitals to do anything this year. The same goes in Pittsburgh. The Crosby show may be entertaining, but everyone else needs to step up their game.

At 11/18/05 11:28 PM, da_pope wrote: I haven't been posting here because I didn't want to jinx the streak :P

Streaks will end, regardless of what you do. It's not like you can influence them. After all, you aren't one of the guys on the ice who can, are you?

At 11/19/05 07:05 PM, BrotherCanas wrote: Actually, it's because everybody i've ever known that likes the Av's doesn't know shit about hockey.

Then clearly you have never known me.

At 11/21/05 02:49 AM, mighty_potato wrote: The Crosby show may be entertaining, but everyone else needs to step up their game.

Would you still give him rookie of the year, even if he didn't turn the performances of the Pens around?

I think that Ovetchkin has the edge at the moment (I'd like to think Svatos is up there too, but I wouldn't like to sound biased, eh Canas?)

At 11/21/05 01:14 AM, phileeguy wrote: AHL maybe?

Hmm, aren't the rules different in that league? I think anyone, no matter how young or old they are, needs to adjust to the new rules. The problem is just that some adjust faster than others.

Then again, I don't know much about referee requirements, so meh.

At 11/21/05 02:38 AM, mighty_potato wrote: Dynamo Moscow in the Russian League wants Alexander Ovechkin back saying they still have legal rights to his contract.

I highly doubt the Dynamo are going to win this one. They probably just want compensation money. Greedy bastards...

At 11/21/05 02:54 AM, -Gooch- wrote: However, he really could use a supporting cast on The Crosby Show.

What about Palffy? I'd say he's not doing too badly...

At 11/21/05 05:36 AM, Coop83 wrote: I think that Ovetchkin has the edge at the moment.

I agree, but Crosby can always steal it at any time.

At 11/21/05 04:24 PM, kolohe wrote:

Heh. I would expect a proud fan to look a little happier and enthusiastic....
You seem concerned.

At 11/21/05 02:54 AM, -Gooch- wrote: No kidding. I think Mark Recchi's the key here. He did start off pretty strong, but now he's tapering off. The injury to John Leclair certainly didn't help things any.

It's kinda weird. If I didn't know better I would think you were talking about the Flyers here...

Crosby has progressed extremely quick so far, and I'm glad to see him be the entertaining factor everybody's expecting him to be. However, he really could use a supporting cast on The Crosby Show.

Crosby IS good, but there are some areas which I think he is lacking. One of them is with his mouth. He may be the next Gretzky, but he isn't yet and the way he reacts to situations tells you that. I've seen him in a few games so far in situations where he should have just kept his mouth shut, but didn't and had penalties called against him because of it or was damn close to that happening.

Another area I think he can improve in is his ability to stay on his feet. He's got speed, but he isn't the biggest guy so he goes down quite often. Problem is in a couple occasions I've seen him go down when he really shouldn't have... perhaps to draw a penalty? I can't be sure because I'm not on the ice nor in his position, but when a guy like Forsberg whose been around and knows all the ins and outs of the game thinks that you took a dive, chances are you did. By the way, Forsberg is one guy I remember Crosby mouthing off to. I don't care how good people think you are or are going to be, a rookie doesn't mouth off to a Stanley Cup and Art Ross winner.

At 11/21/05 04:24 PM, kolohe wrote: Hey guys, I'm a first time poster in this thread, but before I get into any debates over anything, I just wanted to let you all know who my boys are!
Damn, I miss the FU CENTER!!

Hey it didn't go anywhere man, they just renamed it. Stupid banks buying out other banks. First it was the Corestates Center, then the First Union Center, now its the Wachovia center. But yeah I did like to call it the F.U. Center as well, I mean c'mon what can we give it as a nickname now? the Wac?

Flames playing the Avs tonight... I'm not feelin' it thought.

Prove me wrong boys!

At 11/21/05 07:48 PM, phileeguy wrote: One of them is with his mouth.

Well put. But you see....with all the fame and money they get at such a young age, stuff like this happens. Inflated egos seem to be more and more common. Did Gretsky get all these commercial contracts BEFORE he got in the NHL?

I think it might also have to do with his parents. One columnist in the Montreal Gazette was saying how he got an angry email from Crosby's dad because he said Crosby isn't THAT great (or doing THAT well). The columnist is an asshole, but still....You can't send angry letters to everyone who doesn't think your son is a Hockey God.

And another completely bizzare and downright scary note from the NHL tonight. The Detroit Red Wings' Jiri Fischer collapsed on the bench after suffering a seizure midway through the first period in tonight's game. He had a seizure, and passed out. Apparently his heart completely stopped beating. CPR was administered as was a defibrilator. Luckily, Fischer stabilized and was responsive 40 minutes later, to the cheers of the Joe Louis Arena crowd. Needless to say, the game was cancelled tonight and will be made up at another night.

Jebus...

At 11/21/05 08:25 PM, da_pope wrote: Flames playing the Avs tonight... I'm not feelin' it thought.

Prove me wrong boys!

They did... just about. Oh well, another loss... The Avs aren't as strong as we used to be, but I still think that our excellent coaching and great core of players will see us in the later rounds of the playoffs this season.

I just got a Playstation 2 and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good Hockey game. I have NHL Faceoff 2000 for the PS One, but I never get any power plays; I'm looking for a game (with the Blue Jackets in it) that calls penalties more fairly.

At 11/22/05 02:06 AM, -Gooch- wrote: I just hope this doesn't affect Fischer in the long run.

I hope so too, but one thing's for sure: he won't be playing hockey anymore...

At 11/22/05 01:54 AM, mighty_potato wrote: And another completely bizzare and downright scary note from the NHL tonight. The Detroit Red Wings' Jiri Fischer collapsed on the bench after suffering a seizure midway through the first period in tonight's game. He had a seizure, and passed out.

Why am I not surprised that he's on my fantasy team. I must be cursed.

*ditches all Avalanche players currently on fantasy roster*

At 11/22/05 07:04 AM, DancingTurkeyGod wrote: I hope so too, but one thing's for sure: he won't be playing hockey anymore...

I was stunned to find he was only listed as DAY TO DAY. Surely he's got to have a long (possibly indefinate) lay off.

At 11/22/05 06:56 AM, mr_trivia wrote: I just got a Playstation 2 and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good Hockey game. I have NHL Faceoff 2000 for the PS One, but I never get any power plays; I'm looking for a game (with the Blue Jackets in it) that calls penalties more fairly.

Personally, I'd go with any games by EA Sports, as they have a nice system, update it every year and the gameplay is almost realistic. (I do score lots of own goals though)

Would you still give him rookie of the year, even if he didn't turn the performances of the Pens around?

I would give BILL CROSBY and even Rudy Huxtable the award. I prefer to call him Luigi but what Gooch said is also funny. Who knew hockey was so funny.
Anyways in my eyes Crosby is the best of the rookies right now so I would give him the award. Even if he couldn't lead the pens to the cup I will still vote for him

At 11/22/05 11:25 AM, Hanshinboy wrote: Anyways in my eyes Crosby is the best of the rookies right now so I would give him the award. Even if he couldn't lead the pens to the cup I will still vote for him

I'd only be convinced to give him the rookie of the year award, if he manages to lead the Penguins to a better season than 03-04. They need playoffs and I think that Ovetchkin can do that with the capitals.

Crosby has got the pressure on him and it will show whether or not he buckles under it. Ovetchkin has it easier, because there is so much focus on Crosby and he's flying under the radar.

At 11/22/05 04:10 PM, -Gooch- wrote: I think it'll take Fischer maybe a year or so to come back, but I wouldn't come to the conclusion that his hockey career is done for.

The problem is that it's a heart related problem. That's permanent and they'll always be a high risk for it to reoccur. If physically demanding exercise is what caused those seizures/heart failure, then yes, his career is definately done for. Not only that, but the team might not be willing to renew his contract by the time he comes back. His heart problem is obviously more serious than they thought, and he should seriously consider whether it's worth risking his life to play hockey if his heart can't handle it.

Depending how bad a stroke is, you can recover from it and be fine. That's just a clogged artery (not trying to downplay how bad a stroke is though) and it can happen to anyone (some have higher risks than other, but in general, everyone is at risk). The chances of a stroke reoccuring when you're young and healthy are SOOO much lower than if you have a serious heart problem.

Nashville was on their way to winning as well...