At 10/20/06 03:01 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: But high quality makes the animation look bad if it lags, which is pretty important too. I like to have it at medium quality by default.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I just feel like if you lower the quality you might be missing something, but I guess sometimes you really have to.

At 10/20/06 03:00 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: So when's the next NG-UK meetup, and can it be in Hyde Park?
Can Cybex provide the alcohol?

I never want to go to an NG meetup. I'd rather keep my e-life strictly, an e-life. I'd be upset if people look different than i'd imagined :(

With quality it all depends on which one works best on your computer! High quality works great on mine, so I use high quality all the time, although I do sometimes switch between qualities to see the difference!

At 10/20/06 03:13 PM, Cybex wrote:

At 10/20/06 03:00 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: So when's the next NG-UK meetup, and can it be in Hyde Park?
Can Cybex provide the alcohol?

I never want to go to an NG meetup. I'd rather keep my e-life strictly, an e-life. I'd be upset if people look different than i'd imagined :(

Lol why? you can see most of us at that denvish flash forum regular page. forgot what the adress was...

At 10/20/06 03:19 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Lol why? you can see most of us at that denvish flash forum regular page. forgot what the adress was...

Because then his fantasies would all be ... destroyed?

o_o

Anyway, im the same Kayn. I never studied art, and i dont even hold a pencil properly. :P Long live rebels.

At 10/20/06 03:19 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Lol why? you can see most of us at that denvish flash forum regular page. forgot what the adress was...

Denvish.net : NG Rogue's Gallery

My picture's in the top section. I miss having long hair...

I think it's because Cybex may disapoint everyone if he forgets to bring his halo along.
Everyone would, like, die from not seeing that...

At 10/20/06 03:24 PM, Blaze wrote: Anyway, im the same Kayn. I never studied art, and i dont even hold a pencil properly. :P Long live rebels.

I wanna study fine art at a night school. Shame all the classes around here start either next June or two months ago...

I own far too many anatomy books to be so crap at character art...

At 10/20/06 03:30 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

At 10/20/06 03:19 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Lol why? you can see most of us at that denvish flash forum regular page. forgot what the adress was...

Denvish.net : NG Rogue's Gallery

LOL, oldness:

Me:
Coder. Generally pretty mature.
Many submissions, 4 Portal awards.
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Generally pretty mature. I guess I make a good impression eh? =D

At 10/20/06 03:30 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Denvish.net : NG Rogue's Gallery

Ugh, i hate my picture in there. D: I must upload a new one... My hair is long now. :D

I wanna study fine art at a night school. Shame all the classes around here start either next June or two months ago...

Me too, but i wanna study art in college. But thats gonna be hard in here...

Hey people. I was wondering, what is you completely honest oppinion on my flash animation/style and art work. Recantly ive got nother but bad feedback, £covering up your shitty drawings with..." "unorigional" etc etc.
I think i need to experiment more but im doing a project at the moment so i cant change my style at the moment can i?

At 10/20/06 03:40 PM, fuzz wrote: Hey people. I was wondering, what is you completely honest oppinion on my flash animation/style and art work. Recantly ive got nother but bad feedback, £covering up your shitty drawings with..." "unorigional" etc etc.
I think i need to experiment more but im doing a project at the moment so i cant change my style at the moment can i?

I hear alot of people in this thread saying that they dont really have talent and therefore don't really try art or animating. Really, sometimes i wish i couldnt draw. Why? So i could just start all over without having to concern about style, proportion and perspective. If you can't draw then you have to make your work interesting in other areas and fully concentrate on that. A great concept is a great concept, no matter how shitty it's drawn. Besides, there are so many great ways to visualize your ideas without having to rely on pretty drawings. Look at pustota, paper sky, how it will end, -play- and so many others. Those are awesome and the way they are visualised dont really require alot of drawing talent. To take it even further, i think that the recognition you get when you make a great animation without it containing beautiful drawings is so much more rewarding than just amazing the viewers with some simple eye candy. Just don't be focused so much on finding the perfect style or trying to be james farr, but focus instead on thinking out cool ideas and how you can make them appear interesting. Creativity is so much more than knowing how to make proportional characters.

At 10/20/06 03:40 PM, fuzz wrote: I think i need to experiment more but im doing a project at the moment so i cant change my style at the moment can i?

Dont consciously "change your style" just try to draw without thinking about style- just DRAW, alot, and your style will evolve by itself. Im not saying this from experience since im not even close to anywhere near where id like to be art wise, ive just read this repeatedly and heard it from people more experienced and smarter than me.

At 10/20/06 05:10 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Creativity is so much more than knowing how to make proportional characters.

If you had to have one or the other - which would it be? The ability to express ideas perfectly without having a single creative neuron, or the inability to share your visionary ideas in any medium? Would you prefer to be da Vinci in the mind but stuck in a vegitative state, or to be able to draw and design and work like him without a single way to use it for your own ends?

Tough call it must be said. But the non-creative professional artist tends to have a better quality of life than the genius vegetable.

Oh no doubt for me it's more important to have ideas and creativity and originality behind you than it is to have the skills. But I'd still kill for the ability to draw like you AITD.

Sometimes I don't draw for days, knowing that I'm never going to be able to put pen to paper and make it anywhere near what I can see in my minds eye, and that's an exceptionally depressing thing for me. And since a lot of it does focus on eye candy (I think very visually), it's a hard slog to get anything good out of me.

At 10/20/06 11:56 AM, Mogly wrote: I'm not sure how different it is here (england) and there (USA), you say about kids being pumped up on ritalin and being analysed, but to be honest i've only heard of ritalin on an episode of the Simpsons, and i've never met or known of anyone to go to a psychiatrist(sp).

It's no joke over here. I'll elaborate with 2 stories.

1- I was reading the paper today and there was a write up about preschoolers taking the drug. These kids are 5 years old, or younger and are suffereing the side effects of insomnia, weight loss and slow development. Why? Because they were jumping off of playground equiptment and playing with fire. You know who jumps off of playground equiptment and starts fires? Normal, healthy children. They medicate these poor kids, calling it ADHD because they want to be kids. Healthy males with growing testosterone and no release. These kids are going to be fucked in 10 years. Those drugs numb you. Numb = no emotion. No emotion = no value of human life.

2- This one is bad. My friends little brother (well, he's 16 now, he was 12 at the time) was told to do an art project in school. He did the project but modified it slightly, using some creative wit, which is awesome. He failed because he didn't do the project exact, and the teacher recommended drugs because she thought the child had ADD. My friend's mother declined and said she didn't want her child to be on a drug that would destroy his creativity.

She was brought up on medical neglegence charges by the school board.
The school board won, and she was forced to give drugs to her child.

That's how fucked up the youth in America are.

I myself have been on Lithium, zoloft, welbutrin, xanax, paxil and prozac. I quit them a few years ago. You know what they did? Turned me into a fucking zombie. I didn't care about anything. I wasn't happy, wasn't sad, couldn't get angry, couldn't cry, couldn't rejoice. A constant state of grey. The effects have never really gone away.... I don't think they ever will. In retrospect, I still have trouble remembering any even that happened in the time I was taking the meds (probably 4 years or so) It just seems like I dreampt it.

That's America.

So, all you European mofos (or Australia because there are some hotties there) how hard is it to get citizenship? I'm not joking about this either. Seriously.

America is fucked in < 50 years.

At 10/20/06 05:22 PM, Johnny wrote: So, all you European mofos (or Australia because there are some hotties there) how hard is it to get citizenship? I'm not joking about this either. Seriously.

Australia's a pain from what I can tell from my aunt who's got her residency there.
Best way into the UK is a work permit (which gives you residency, or "leave to remain" indefinately providing you're working), and then applying for Permanent Residency. I think...

At 10/20/06 05:22 PM, Johnny wrote: That's America.
So, all you European mofos (or Australia because there are some hotties there) how hard is it to get citizenship? I'm not joking about this either. Seriously.
America is fucked in < 50 years.

Consider Canada. We're a lot like America but way less fucked up and violent. We just kinda watch Jon Stewart and laugh at how seriously that country is shooting itself in the foot sometimes. But hoping we don't get dragged into it..

At 10/20/06 05:22 PM, Johnny wrote: teacher recommended drugs because she thought the child had ADD. My friend's mother declined and said she didn't want her child to be on a drug that would destroy his creativity.

I can totally relate to that, my best friend.. well best friend at the time .. his dad was an alcoholic and his mom had an anxiety disorder or something so his household was always in chaos however he would never let me tell anyone and he wouldnt let anyone know about it either.. and naturally his grades started to slip and even still he wouldnt tell anyone.. naturally the first thing the teacher concluded was that he had ADD... the sick thing is my friend became so depressed by what was going on at his house that he started to believe that he did have ADD after hearing it from his counselor and teacher so many damn times... its so sad and frusterating cause hes a piece a shit now and ive always felt partly responsible for respecting his wishes and never telling anyone...

-L

At 10/20/06 05:22 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

At 10/20/06 05:10 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Creativity is so much more than knowing how to make proportional characters.

If you had to have one or the other - which would it be? The ability to express ideas perfectly without having a single creative neuron, or the inability to share your visionary ideas in any medium? Would you prefer to be da Vinci in the mind but stuck in a vegitative state, or to be able to draw and design and work like him without a single way to use it for your own ends?

Definitely the first. I'd much rather be appreciated on an intellectual vision rather than some biological gen that determines drawing talent. Don't forget that thinking out ideas and finding out a way in which you are able to express them requires alot of creativity too. I think even more so than drawing the same beautiful realistic drawings over and over.
I know it might sound a bit hypocritical coming from me, since im spending alot of time on perfecting the drawings for my current project, but after the first episode is done, im going to make a 180 degree turn and forget about the whole 'drawing pretty pictures thing' for a while.
It is a comfort for an artist to know that if it's ever nescesairy he can draw realistic anatomy and settings also, but in so many cases talented artists forget about every other aspect that makes a great piece and spend the rest of their lives making drawings in the same safe manner. This entire dillema is basically what concerned people for the first time some 150 years ago and what lead to the birth of modern art. In short, I'd much rather be a Piet Mondriaan than a Rembrandt :)

At 10/20/06 05:40 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Consider Canada. We're a lot like America but way less fucked up and violent. We just kinda watch Jon Stewart and laugh at how seriously that country is shooting itself in the foot sometimes. But hoping we don't get dragged into it..

Actually, I've been to Toronto many times and loved it there. It's like NYC but with less bums and trash. I haven't been anywhere else in Canada, but I have considered it... and still have like about 300 canadian dollars I never re-exchanged. Isn't sales tax 16% there but you have free education and health care?

At 10/20/06 05:?? PM, Luis wrote: Profound shit that echoed my stuff.

That sucks man, seriously. Its a shame. None of these doctors or polititions see the real, underlying problems. They just throw a diagnosis and prescription at people and that's it. I've seen those types of drugs destroy a lot of people. I thought it was supposed to help. The horrible thing is its getting worse.

Neg, I'm so damned happy you said that you guys understand America is shooting itself in the foot. It actually makes me smile that people in other countries understand our problems better than our own government.

for whatever its worth the movie till death do us part is based on my friend, and he hated me for it and thats why we're no longer friends anymore.

At 10/20/06 05:48 PM, Johnny wrote: Actually, I've been to Toronto many times and loved it there. It's like NYC but with less bums and trash. I haven't been anywhere else in Canada, but I have considered it... and still have like about 300 canadian dollars I never re-exchanged. Isn't sales tax 16% there but you have free education and health care?

I when to Toronto once...got lost. lol.

Sale taxes in Alberta are only 7%, i think Newfoundland has like 14%. So it all depends on the province.

At 10/20/06 05:53 PM, Luis wrote: for whatever its worth the movie till death do us part is based on my friend, and he hated me for it and thats why we're no longer friends anymore.

Holy shit, really? I've shown that cartoon to every one of my friends because there was so much damned raw emotion behind it. Plus, we all love deftones.

It has always been my favorite movie of yours and probably would be in my top 10 NG favs.

I only real save faves so I can find them later....currently.

At 10/20/06 05:48 PM, Johnny wrote: Neg, I'm so damned happy you said that you guys understand America is shooting itself in the foot. It actually makes me smile that people in other countries understand our problems better than our own government.

There are some things about America we can respect from the outside. We're all just too proud to admit it. Fuel prices, for instance. The UK's running about twice as expensive as the US methinks (We're about $6.22/gallon / $1.64/litre at the moment if someone wants to check).

Still, Canada, Mexico, the UK / EU, Japan - your options are there if you can't take it in Yankeecana any more.

Wow, some heavy shit coming out here. It's strange how America and England are so close*(culture wise) but so different with stuff like this.

*As far as we assume..

And isn't it intresting that we assume shit is the same wherever but it's not.

At 10/20/06 05:53 PM, Luis wrote: for whatever its worth the movie till death do us part is based on my friend, and he hated me for it and thats why we're no longer friends anymore.

Wow...i could see that movie happening somewhere but never knew an e-accquaintance would have that happen almost first-hand....

Just wondering, was the movie an exact replica, event-wise? Wouldn't your friend be jailed?

At 10/20/06 05:53 PM, Luis wrote: for whatever its worth the movie till death do us part is based on my friend, and he hated me for it and thats why we're no longer friends anymore.

Man, that sucks...

If he didn't like a movie like that, then he really did have a problem.

At 10/20/06 06:16 PM, Starogre wrote: Just wondering, was the movie an exact replica, event-wise? Wouldn't your friend be jailed?

Um no the end of course is the extreme to prove my point and emphasize the frustration ..

he was pissed off that i put his dirty laundry out there or whatever.. even though i made the main character me.. he knew what it is .. i went into a depression after that movie.. havent done a serious movie since.

-L

At 10/20/06 06:29 PM, Luis wrote: the end of course is the extreme to prove my point and emphasize the frustration...

i went into a depression after that movie.. havent done a serious movie since.

Maybe if you made a serious movie about fictional events, it wouldn't make you feel so bad.

At 10/20/06 06:32 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Maybe if you made a serious movie about fictional events, it wouldn't make you feel so bad.

if you make it on fictional events.. it lacks honesty. In my opinion.... serious movies are about things you personally feel passionate about.. if you are just doing it for the entertainment value of it then it comes off fake.

-L

At 10/20/06 05:48 PM, Johnny wrote: Actually, I've been to Toronto many times and loved it there. It's like NYC but with less bums and trash. I haven't been anywhere else in Canada, but I have considered it... and still have like about 300 canadian dollars I never re-exchanged. Isn't sales tax 16% there but you have free education and health care?

Yeah. There are a lot of bums right now, but that's expected in any huge city. It's still a great place to be. Always stuff going on, and people are still shocked by violent crimes here. I think they've become desensitized in many US metropolises. Like starogre said, sales tax varies by province. It's 15% here in Ontario. Health care is indeed free. Can't remember about grade education.

Neg, I'm so damned happy you said that you guys understand America is shooting itself in the foot. It actually makes me smile that people in other countries understand our problems better than our own government.

Heh, I think most countries see it. There's a definite sympathy because we see that so much of the public can't stand the way things are going. It confounds me how they ever came to be the way they are.

At 10/20/06 06:38 PM, Luis wrote: if you make it on fictional events.. it lacks honesty. In my opinion.... serious movies are about things you personally feel passionate about.. if you are just doing it for the entertainment value of it then it comes off fake.

Yeah, you're right. I mean I saw one about someones grandfather who died. That made me feel real emotion. But when I saw the Mario Brothers series, I know it was touching and all, but it didn't make me feel very real emotion.