By the way guys, I recently discovered that my local Apple store has not only Sims 3 (meh) on some of the Macs, but also Flash CS4!
So, I was wondering; what should I do on them next time I'm there? I'm leaning more towards AS, but I suppose I could animate too. But no cocks or anything; I don't want to be kicked out!
Due to my limited timeframe, I'm hoping to make something quick, just to show off while all of my friends are playing Sims 3 (meh).

Also, I support the Reg Lounge Birthday Flash movement.

At 6/2/09 05:22 PM, Saza wrote: Athiest. More of a science guy tbf

I second this.

Now, I don't have anything against people who are religious, you can do what you want. But I just can't believe in some amazing dude who lives in the sky. I am the kind of person who needs evidence before they believe something this far out.

If you are religious, go ahead and be religious, but don't let it affect anyone else's life except your own. At school I hear people talking about how much they love god (one person went so far as to say she had a relationship and they talked and stuff), and in speeches they involve religion and stuff. Thats not just right, keep your religion to yourself.

I haven't read hardly any of the conversation,
so please forgive me if something similar to this
has already been said.

At 6/2/09 08:17 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: Thats not just right, keep your religion to yourself.

I'm a semi-religious person, but I have to agree.

Almost every day, people stand at the same block in
a downtown area of my town with billboards proposing
a better alternative (Jesus) to their shitty beliefs.
Signs that say stuff like "JESUS SAVED YOUR SOUL",
Or my personal favorite, just "JESUS".

Yes, it's what I believe, but I hate people that make
Christianity look like a cult or something. You can't deny that
It drives people away from us at a higher rate
than it attracts people. Because face it, nobody - including me -
wants to be involved in any kind of freaky cult. And
standing at a crowded intersection with only
a poster to promote a savior the person
hardly even knows about is pretty dang close.

It's people like that who make me wonder why
I'm apart of a religion crowded with people who
don't really think through how to attract people
to go to their church. I think there is a reason
they're up there, but it certainly isn't to (directly)
drag them to Christianity.

On a side note,

I just had to pop in and contribute.
I'll be back in a couple days, MH.
Lmao. ;] <3

Well, I'm not a religious guy, I choose to be atheist...

People should be allowed to share their religion. That's why there's a thing called, "Freedom of Religion," at least in the United States.

At 6/2/09 09:06 PM, ChaoticTrashCan wrote: People should be allowed to share their religion. That's why there's a thing called, "Freedom of Religion," at least in the United States.

That doesn't mean people want it forced down their throats.
I had my first encounter with Jehovah's Witnesses recently, don't know how I've avoided them so long. They really are pushy. In the end I lied said I work nights and that I was asleep when they rang the bell. That finally got rid of them. (Really I was asleep but just because I'm lazy. It was like 2pm or something)

I was raised Roman Catholic, so I am Roman Catholic. But with the abundance of informative shows about evolution and what not on maybe the History, Discovery, or Science channels (that's all I watch lmao), I see more reason behind those theories then in religion. However, I choose to believe in religion more.
God damn scientific theories staeling mah relijus b-leafs frum meh!

At 6/2/09 08:40 PM, K-Guare wrote: I just had to pop in and contribute.
I'll be back in a couple days, MH.
Lmao. ;] <3

The Fab Collab misses you. <3

At 6/2/09 09:06 PM, ChaoticTrashCan wrote: People should be allowed to share their religion. That's why there's a thing called, "Freedom of Religion," at least in the United States.

Sharing your religion is ok, but when you try to force your religion onto people, thats when its bad. If you were talking to your friend of the same religion about religion, it would be ok. But those people on the corner of the street are pretty much forcing their religion onto someone else.

Not very seriously we suggested that we could watch the first part of Zeitgeist in religion class. To our surprise, the teacher actually agreed very easily to that (although it was pretty obvious that he did not believe in religion of any sort).

I'm not sure, but it looked like some of the religious people in our class were pretty upset while we were watching it, and I actually do think it was wrong of the teacher to agree on it. But still :)

P.S.
I made the official Swedish translation for that part of the Zeitgeist movie :D Me and a friend picked up on it just because we thought it would be fun, but we even ended up getting payed.

P.P.S
A funny thing about my school is that pretty much the only religious teachers at my previous school were the ones teaching physics and chemistry. Contradiction?

P.P.P.S
Oh, and unless you can't tell by the text above, I'm atheist. In my opinion, it isn't very interesting with people explaining why they are atheists, it all just comes down to being logic and thinking rationally, my reasons have pretty much been summed up by you guys for the last page or so.

At 6/2/09 10:17 PM, knugen wrote: Not very seriously we suggested that we could watch the first part of Zeitgeist in religion class. To our surprise, the teacher actually agreed very easily to that (although it was pretty obvious that he did not believe in religion of any sort).

Knugen sounds like a tasty ingredient in a chocolate bar.

At 6/2/09 10:28 PM, BoMToons wrote: Knugen sounds like a tasty ingredient in a chocolate bar.

BoMToons sounds like a very distasteful ingredient in a chocolate bar.

Soo...
For a science project, I had to make a "game" (by game she meant maybe board game) about tectonic plates and what not. I made a flash game using the simple engine from my game Chicken and Chocolate. (I also used the background made by HeliosStar, so credit goes there). What do you guys think? I spent about 4 hours maybe on it.

http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/020609/8 2155_Plates.php

I like it.

Ronnie Coleman ftw.

At 6/2/09 09:48 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: Sharing your religion is ok, but when you try to force your religion onto people, thats when its bad. If you were talking to your friend of the same religion about religion, it would be ok. But those people on the corner of the street are pretty much forcing their religion onto someone else.

Yea, I hate people who try to force religion on others.

At 6/2/09 08:47 PM, Zyphonee wrote: Well, I'm not a religious guy, I choose to be atheist...

I prefer to say Agnostic, it gets you in less trouble with the religious folk :P

LOL helen keller got underdog of the week

mission accomplished

Atheism is a religion.
:O

At 6/2/09 05:13 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: The reason I'm agnostic and not atheist is because I can't wrap my mind around the origins of the universe. My mind works on the principle of cause and effect, something caused something, and something caused that.

Don't get all bottled up with the differences between atheism and agnosticism, christians want to make an agnostic out of you just because they hate to think that you completely reject their religion.

If you don't believe in god, then you are an atheist. period. Your level of uncertainty doesn't change the fact that you don't believe in something. If scientists used the same definitions as you, they would all be agnostics, but they call themselves atheists. Why? The only thing atheism means is that you don't believe in god, not that you're "100% certain god doesn't exist" or any of that bullshit that religious people try to put in your head. There are not many things more mysterious than "how was the universe created?", "what created the universe?", etc. To assume with full certainty that it couldn't possibly be a god would be very unscientific, yet to assume it was a god would be a million times more unscientific as there is no reason for this specific scenario.

I never lived in a place where religion was important so I can't talk from experience, but the way I see it, people who believe in god only do so because it's normal in their environment and they haven't spent any time thinking about the universe.

At 6/2/09 05:21 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: At what point does someone's belief system stop being a cult and start being a religion? Serious question. It's always fascinated me how fringe religion's (Wicca, Scientology, etc) get labeled as cults, but mainstream religion doesn't. The only difference I can see is the size of their followings.

It's a pure question of perspective. Atheists and christians call scientology a cult, scientologists and atheists call christianity a cult, and some christians even call atheism a cult (i fucking lol'd)

At 6/2/09 06:00 PM, CaiWengi wrote: You claim to believe what you do based on logic, but if I ask you, how did you accept logic as the best way to determine your beliefs, you can only point to logic.

I wouldn't say I am an atheist because of logic, I would just say that my lack of belief is based on lack of logic in religion. Of course you could argue that not believing in something due to its lack of logic is a form of logic too, but then you can question everything from religion to why we go to bed when the sun goes down and why we drink water. At this point, the argument you make about religion through this "logic" debate is redundant.

You make an interesting point though, although logic is a philosophical debate and not religious.

Right, well, atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist, therefor it's a belief, therefor it's a religion.

At 6/2/09 08:40 PM, K-Guare wrote: I haven't read hardly any of the conversation,
so please forgive me if something similar to this
has already been said.

At 6/2/09 08:17 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: Thats not just right, keep your religion to yourself.

I'm a semi-religious person, but I have to agree.

Almost every day, people stand at the same block in
a downtown area of my town with billboards proposing
a better alternative (Jesus) to their shitty beliefs.
Signs that say stuff like "JESUS SAVED YOUR SOUL",
Or my personal favorite, just "JESUS".

Yes, it's what I believe, but I hate people that make
Christianity look like a cult or something. You can't deny that
It drives people away from us at a higher rate
than it attracts people. Because face it, nobody - including me -
wants to be involved in any kind of freaky cult. And
standing at a crowded intersection with only
a poster to promote a savior the person
hardly even knows about is pretty dang close.

It's people like that who make me wonder why
I'm apart of a religion crowded with people who
don't really think through how to attract people
to go to their church. I think there is a reason
they're up there, but it certainly isn't to (directly)
drag them to Christianity.

On a side note,

I just had to pop in and contribute.
I'll be back in a couple days, MH.
Lmao. ;] <3

People who hold the signs up are not necessarily children. Not saying they all are but there's a line between cult and religion and at this point I think they start to cross it. It almost goes against the idea of the Christian fundemental value of love.

At 6/3/09 02:32 AM, Cryoma wrote: Right, well, atheism is the belief that god doesn't exist, therefor it's a belief, therefor it's a religion.

Correction: atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. Therefore it's a lack of religion.

where's your god now? stop playing with words or you'll get your butt hurt

Because NG is not very touchy on any topic I'll present some unabridged views of mine.

CaiWengi: the point of logic is that it proves to be true. You can say you need to believe in logic itself before you can see how its rules are always true, but on the other hand for religion there is Bible and other books that are mere stories of how God etc. proves himself to be true. So if you're going to compare religion to logic, it can scientifically only be classified as a (pathetic) (pseudo-)proof by esoteric fairytales. But the analogy was good.

Mexifry: but in our 3d space of existance, you can't have a 2d world of depth 1 that you could poke somehow. The idea is certainly appealing, but it would instead be some kind of embedded system (as in a computer program, like our current ones, but complex enough that it can develop consciousness). (Also read part 3 by the way.)
So it very well could be that there is a 'god plane' in a 'higher dimension' that can manipulate the world in ways that we can't see (the same way we could poke our 2d conscious world program with a mouse pointer), but because it's rather an embedded system than anything else, I think it makes it very unlikely that the author is a singleton existence with a human appearance that manipulates our planet (which is the center of the world) with his magnificent finger, and also has a son that was originally human so he suffered for the sake of humanity etc.

I accept (and encourage) this argument (and any other) in the case that your mind can't accept that our universe is all that is in existence, but not to make valid the people that like to cry 'Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me' to themselves to feel better when they're depressed and 'Oh my fucking God! Holy motherfucking Jesus!' to express overflowing happiness/surprise. Garbage.
But despite that I don't mind religion for the moment because it is more optimal for our race to have more people of lesser quality because for now they're just fine for producing food, water and computer systems for moi.

You don't wanna know what I think will happen if those agricultural responsibilities are rapidly taken over by omnific robots.

At 6/3/09 12:20 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: LOL helen keller got underdog of the week

mission accomplished

So Reg does have more power than the spam groups...hmm

At 6/2/09 09:31 PM, TheHappySheep wrote: I had my first encounter with Jehovah's Witnesses recently, don't know how I've avoided them so long. They really are pushy. In the end I lied said I work nights and that I was asleep when they rang the bell.

You should have just told them to fuck off.

At 6/2/09 08:40 PM, K-Guare wrote: Signs that say stuff like "JESUS SAVED YOUR SOUL",

Maybe they're talking about some Mexican fella. =P

At 6/2/09 08:17 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: If you are religious, go ahead and be religious, but don't let it affect anyone else's life except your own.

I used to think like this, quite indifferent to Religious people. But over time I saw people time and time again pandering to religious people, unelected church officials weighing in on political issue, as if believing in fairies made them an authority on the subject. Then there was the straw that broke the camel's back. Some mentally ill people directly affected me. Religious people should not have a say in anything outside of their temples.

What does it mean if you don't give a crap?

At 6/3/09 05:46 AM, SweetSkater wrote: What does it mean if you don't give a crap?

It means your pathetic.

Apathetic that is.

At 6/2/09 08:17 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: If you are religious, go ahead and be religious, but don't let it affect anyone else's life except your own. At school I hear people talking about how much they love god (one person went so far as to say she had a relationship and they talked and stuff), and in speeches they involve religion and stuff. Thats not just right, keep your religion to yourself.

Everyone deserves the truth about how the universe fundamentally works. I always think it's really patronising when people talk about letting people believe what they want - like you're some kind of self-appointed holy grail of truth and choose to leave the rest of the world in ignorance because they just can't handle what you can. Stuff like this needs to be discussed. It's important.

At 6/3/09 05:11 AM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: I used to think like this, quite indifferent to Religious people. But over time I saw people time and time again pandering to religious people, unelected church officials weighing in on political issue, as if believing in fairies made them an authority on the subject. Then there was the straw that broke the camel's back. Some mentally ill people directly affected me. Religious people should not have a say in anything outside of their temples.

I agree with what your saying, if i said i believed in faries i wouldn't get praised or respected, i'd get put in a mental home. So why believing that a omni-present man is watching your every move and that 3000 years ago he created 5.9736×1024 KG of earth and then flooded the whole thing, but 1 man gathered every animal and put them on a boat etc not regarded as insane.

I have nothing against most Christians, but its all so goddam hypocritical.

Jehova Season

I just had one try and give me a book called "Jesus saved your sole, and Armageddon is coming". Jolly people, they should probably try and find a way to actually help people.

PSWii

Anyone else seen this? it's fucking fantastic. Imagine the wii, but with sub-millimetre accuracy, a camera, proper games and ps3 graphics. That's a damn good combo.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-
playstation-3/50276
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-
playstation-3/50277

At 6/3/09 04:33 AM, GustTheASGuy wrote: Because NG is not very touchy on any topic I'll present some unabridged views of mine.

CaiWengi: the point of logic is that it proves to be true. You can say you need to believe in logic itself before you can see how its rules are always true, but on the other hand for religion there is Bible and other books that are mere stories of how God etc. proves himself to be true. So if you're going to compare religion to logic, it can scientifically only be classified as a (pathetic) (pseudo-)proof by esoteric fairytales. But the analogy was good.

Mexifry: but in our 3d space of existance, you can't have a 2d world of depth 1 that you could poke somehow. The idea is certainly appealing, but it would instead be some kind of embedded system (as in a computer program, like our current ones, but complex enough that it can develop consciousness). (Also read part 3 by the way.)
So it very well could be that there is a 'god plane' in a 'higher dimension' that can manipulate the world in ways that we can't see (the same way we could poke our 2d conscious world program with a mouse pointer), but because it's rather an embedded system than anything else, I think it makes it very unlikely that the author is a singleton existence with a human appearance that manipulates our planet (which is the center of the world) with his magnificent finger, and also has a son that was originally human so he suffered for the sake of humanity etc.

I accept (and encourage) this argument (and any other) in the case that your mind can't accept that our universe is all that is in existence, but not to make valid the people that like to cry 'Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me' to themselves to feel better when they're depressed and 'Oh my fucking God! Holy motherfucking Jesus!' to express overflowing happiness/surprise. Garbage.
But despite that I don't mind religion for the moment because it is more optimal for our race to have more people of lesser quality because for now they're just fine for producing food, water and computer systems for moi.

You don't wanna know what I think will happen if those agricultural responsibilities are rapidly taken over by omnific robots.

Embedded systems aside, this argument is irrelevant to the debate. This argument explains how god could exist if he existed, where as the debate is more about his existence. If such a magical being truly exists as the bible says, leave aside all your logic and embedded systems and open your eyes to a fairy world. If an all-powerful being existed (despite the contradictions -> can he create a rock he cannot lift etc) then we wouldn't need to concern ourselves on where or how he could exist, because it could be just aswell in his great castle of faggotry than a universe outside our embedded system.

irrelevant to the original debate but still a very interesting subject

At 6/3/09 07:30 AM, Depredation wrote: Anyone else seen this? it's fucking fantastic. Imagine the wii, but with sub-millimetre accuracy, a camera, proper games and ps3 graphics. That's a damn good combo.

It does look pretty sweet (especially the bow & arrow), but it still looks as gimmicky as the Wii to me. It still requires you to move around. I play games so I don't have to move :P