At 2/5/07 12:57 PM, atomic-noodle wrote: That's a pretty interesting theory. I've never heard it before.

Time is one of the most complex concepts the human being has come up with, and that hast been able to even define properly, weird huh?, humans made hte concept, but we cant define it properly, even Albert Eintein only said that time is what the clock says.. at least my history teacher sez it... but i nthe end, as i said before, time isnt recorded in lines, is just the changes that happen on a place.....
i guess this whole time stuff, tho interesting, has gone too complex...

Time is a dimension that defines its own step. :p

RE: Toes

At 2/5/07 12:17 PM, Depredation wrote:

Not a great day then. I hope it all went well, no 6th toe or anything? :P.

Haha, yeah it went OK, thanks. Although now the anaesthetic has worn off I’m in a tremendous amount of pain.

Re: Time

At 2/5/07 01:08 PM, OldGust wrote: Time is a dimension that defines its own step. :p

I would have to agree with this one. Time is just an extra dimension on top of our visual dimensions.

Re: Toey

At 2/5/07 01:36 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: Haha, yeah it went OK, thanks. Although now the anaesthetic has worn off I’m in a tremendous amount of pain.

No morphine then?I love morphine, makes you feel like your a cloud :D. Only bad thing is when it ends: D.

<3 Medical Drugs.

At: No morphine then?I love morphine, makes you feel like your a cloud :D. Only bad thing is when it ends: D.

<3 Medical Drugs.

flower boy (nickname for junkys in israel)

RE: Time

I don't really 'believe' in time. I didn't bother to read all the previous posts about it and maybe I miss something, but I think it doesn't exist. You could define time as the act of 'time' passing by, but my theory is that what we define time is just movement and change. When you think about it, when you say 'in 5 seconds', it's basically 'in numerous movements and changes in the "universe" '. It may be terribly wrong, but that's how I think it is. I don't think you can travel in time because time is just the universe going on with its changes. However, it might be possible to set everything back (mollecules, atoms, etc) to the exact same position and property of '1 year ago' and you could say you travelled back in time to a year ago.

Time, like positions and heights and weights and mass and density and megahertz and gigabytes, is simply a way to measure an otherwise abstract property of something in exisience.

If you think about it, it's nearly the same as how you'd describe any of the other properties I've listed. Position is where something is located. Time is when something happens.

If you think about what they actually are, they are very similar. Position is an abstract concept thought up to create a more organized world. It's measurable in varying degrees of accuracy. It's always measured based on a relation to a nother object/position. Time is much the same. It's created to better organize the world. It's measurable in varying degrees of accuracy. It's measured based on a fixed position in time (year 0, etc).

When defining time as a "dimension" it begins to get confusing. Yes, it can be seen as it's own dimension, however in our 3 spacial dimensions, we can move freely around through them. We can go forward in the X or backward in the X. We can go faster or slower. Yet we can't do this in time (as we know it).

If you think of it as a property, a way of measuring an abstract concept, it should be a little easier to understand what it actually is, as opposed to seeing it as it's own whole dimension. Is weight a dimension? Is SIZE a dimension? Then why should time be a dimension.

Morphine

At 2/5/07 02:23 PM, patu1 wrote: flower boy (nickname for junkys in israel)

Believe me, I'm not a junky ;).

Re:Time

I think that time is man made , the 24 hour, 7 days a week, 365 days a year thing is anyway.
Other than that, time is just a dimension we can't see, unlike 2d. Its a complicated thing, and i haven't got a degree in it, so i'll just say what i think :).

RE: Time

At 2/5/07 03:02 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Time, like positions and heights and weights and mass and density and megahertz and gigabytes, is simply a way to measure an otherwise abstract property of something in exisience.

Time is a property. Measurenents of time are man-made, but that doesn't make it any less real as a dimension than breaking a thermometer makes it colder.

When defining time as a "dimension" it begins to get confusing. Yes, it can be seen as it's own dimension, however in our 3 spacial dimensions, we can move freely around through them. We can go forward in the X or backward in the X. We can go faster or slower. Yet we can't do this in time (as we know it).

Actually, it's entirely possible. When you move really fast, time slows down for you. Well estblished scientific fact :)

Time

Ever read The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? Note "the man who rules the Universe"'s opinion on the past.

At 2/5/07 03:06 PM, Depredation wrote:

the 24 hour, 7 days a week, 365 days a year thing is anyway.

Days and years are natural. Millenia, centuries, decades, seasons, months, weeks, hours, minutes, seconds, milliseconds etc are man-made though.

Valentines Day

Anyone got any opinions on it? They like it or hate it or w/e?

I personally am not too fond of it, it's just an excuse to make a special effort for your loved ones :P.

Though I made an effort to get into the spirit of things, and my valentines game is now finished and in the portal for those who're at all interested :P.

So yeah, your thoughts?

RE: Time
Time is not the fourth dimension. Duration is the fourth dimension (I'll explain the difference later). If you think about it, duration seen by us is similar to the way a 2D person would see the 3rd dimension. Imagine a 2D person on the surface of a water tank. Imagine the suface of the water as a 2D plane (not aeroplane).

Now imagine you passing your 3D arm through the water. What would the 2D person on the surface see? He'd see a cross section of your hand as it passes through the water. First he'd see a cross section of your finger tips, then they'd merge into the cross section of your hand, and finally your arm.

To the 2D character, it'd look as if there starts off as 5 lines (2D characters can only see lines), and then they merge into 1. It looks as if it's changing shape. Time allows the 2D person to see the effects of the 3rd dimension (if it wasn't for time, the object would just look like an every day 2D object).

With us 3D people, there's a similar idea with duration. If you take a still image of a person, they look like a 3D object. But with time, just as the 3D hand appeared to change shape to the 2D person, to us 3D people, it appears that people change shape. They start off really small, and eventually get bigger. What if we're 4 dimensional objects in a 3D world. We're slowly moving through a 3D plane and so to 3D people, it seems like were moving and changing shape. Time allows us to see the changes just like it allowed 2D people to see the 3D changes.

I don't think i believe any of that stuff, but i have fun thinking about it.

Time

Time is just the label we give the 5th dimension.

< 5th?>

Afterlife

What do you eblvie happens when your life ends, does your mind conintue in another plane of existance or do you simply stop existing..

prehaps you do become a ghost and roam earth forever or go to heaven or hell.

What do y'all think ;)

Afterlife

I believe in Reincarnation myself, I think that once you die, you're born as someone/something else.

I might go so deep as to say you're reincarnated in a different time period o_O

RE: time.....and dimensions
We have all kicked any scientist asses with our theories!! yay!!

I think time is more a property rather than a dimension, thinking of dimensions is weird, tho interesting. how do you think a 2D people would imagine the 3rd dimension, the more they could think about it would be a diagonal line, and it would be just another position of x and y, we can imagine it because we know it, but have you tried to imagine a 4th dimension? i've pictured x, y and z and the more i can come with is another diagonal who just would still be something positioned in x, y and z, so who knows, they say that those alien marks are actually shadows of 4dimension people, looking it that way tiem being the 4th dimension is more logical, but i still think time is more a measure then a dimension
trying to imagine another dimension is like, trying ot imagine another sense...

Re: Afterlife

As far as I'm concerned when you die you die. End of story.

I'm a cheerful person like that :)

RE: Afterlife

Hard to say... I've thought about it all to be honest. When I was little I told my mom about a theory I had. When you die, you come back to life as someone else and start life all over. My mom explained to me that that was called reencarnation. Also, I'm sure that people have memories of something they don't recall doing, in this lifetime anyway, meaning that we could be having memory connections with our past life, if there is one.

However I'd give a guess that there could very well be a "heaven" or place you go after you die. Only because I believe that there is a form of "god". God is just a word used to describe a HIGHER POWER or BEING. There had to of been something that created us, even if we did start off as nonbreathing organisms. Anyhow, because of that belief, I believe that there is some sort of heaven or something.

But there could very well be nothing when you die. Easily. That is probably my 2nd belief...

3Dness

On the subject of dimensions, but moving into computers and things, how would you define a 3D image? I mean, there was a little argument a while ago with a guy who was saying he'd made a '3D' game (and he was wrong! because it was all pre-rendered) but what would you call actual full 3D?

Total 3D isn't really possible on a computer screen, because it is essentially a 2D surface. And our own vision isn't really that much different; we see 2D images from a 3D environment through our eyes. We have ability to percieve depth and focus and such, but we're still essentially just viewing a two dimensional image with some three dimensional information stored. It's similar to time in that we only really see a cross section of depth whereas we can we a huge area of width and height in a single screen.

From a visual perspective, and especially on a screen, a third dimension doesn't really exist in a practical sense. It's more a theoretical dimension, defined by how it affects the sizesm speeds and arrangement of objects, and how it causes them to interact with each other. Seeing two stationary objects on a screen doesn't really allow us any sense of depth, but when we see their relative speeds or one moving infront of another, or the camera moves to give us perspective, that allows us to deduce the third dimension.

I'm basically just writing this as a displacement activity to avoid doing my Lit coursework, so don't try to pick it apart or anything.

At 2/5/07 04:51 PM, Paranoia wrote: Total 3D isn't really possible on a computer screen, because it is essentially a 2D surface. And our own vision isn't really that much different; we see 2D images from a 3D environment through our eyes. We have ability to percieve depth and focus and such, but we're still essentially just viewing a two dimensional image with some three dimensional information stored. It's similar to time in that we only really see a cross section of depth whereas we can we a huge area of width and height in a single screen.

Agreed. It's like, if theres a 2D man, looking at a 2D picture, he'll only see a line, even though there might be a lot more to it.

At 2/5/07 04:46 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: RE: Afterlife

Wow i came on to this forum to see how the regs act and i'm glad i did. Because this is a subject I often ponder when i find nothing else to do and i must say you said pretty much everything i would have, something i'd like to add though is that i think that the belief in afterlife ties into what you think about God (whether or not it/he/she exists and what role it/he/she plays in life)

2001: A space odyssey

Since we are talking about confusing theroies and complex subject matter.

Would anyone like to have a go at explaining what this movie is about.

i think that the black box represents an object that makes man evolve wonce found. and at the end the man finds himself in a room, possibly the room of his own mind, aging to the point where he dies, coming back/reborn as a new life, possibly a new form of life, maybe weven god.

At 2/5/07 04:19 PM, Jindo wrote: Anyone got any opinions on it? They like it or hate it or w/e?

RE: Valentines Day

Valentine's Day was a holiday created by big name companies to sell candy. I also hate everyone. 'cept you guys. :-P

AfterLife
I'm catholic therefore i believe in heaven and hell, but, once i had the idea that maybe this life is just like a proof, liek you live 100 years(if lucky) in here to see how you'll act, and then what you'd do better on the other life, which could be a longer and real life in which you dont die, but need to work and stuff in order to preserve that bigger world, weird huh? anywya is just some weird story i tought about, there is no religion as far a si know that thinks something about it....

RE: Afterlife

I've often theorized that we are all rejects to heaven, not worthy of it. Everyone that is born is here because they were not worthy in heaven, therfore "god" or like I say, a higher power banished us to this universe and let us off on our own. Who knows eh?

Afterlife

If you were reincarnated, how would you know?

how many peopl do you know < tht are sane> say they used to be a bunny, a cat, a rock, a tree and a cucumber in previous lifes?

Re: Afterlife
Why would we have a this life if we were going to have an afterlife?

Afterlife

At 2/5/07 07:51 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Why would we have a this life if we were going to have an afterlife?

How do we know that the lfie we live now is not the afterlife and we have all died already?

How do we know that this reality is not just a dream?

maybe when you die you lose a life and start over again untill you finish the level?

again, another thing made by man. The clockwise motion, note the word clock, a device to help keep time, another man made thing. Plus if time did exist we would be able to travel into it, like a coming out of a cave.

At 2/5/07 07:56 PM, Lord-Sonx wrote: Afterlife

At 2/5/07 07:51 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Why would we have a this life if we were going to have an afterlife?

How do we know that the lfie we live now is not the afterlife and we have all died already?

How do we know that this reality is not just a dream?

maybe when you die you lose a life and start over again untill you finish the level?

I agree. I myself am an atheist, but i do believe that there is more to our current existence.
Ex. We die, decompose in the earth, and our compossed energy gets spread. Then what uses it eventually dies, then their energy, and ours, and all the energy from everything we've eaten, repeats the process.