At 4/17/10 06:01 PM, HDXmike wrote:

At 4/17/10 04:41 PM, Doomsday-One wrote: stuff

Epic agree-al doomsday , i think they should disable voting on your own submission and push the minimum score up to 2 and then the 0-5 thing is pretty pointless on newgrounds , it should just be yes or no (but thats minor) , finally i think one big problem is people in a group upvoting something daily simple solution could be only allowing one vote per flash that you can change later if you want.

Now that i'm thinking about it, newgrounds IS "everything, by everyone", and i know that for example, the guy who made a gallery of creative graffiti didn't do any of the actual art on his own. But at the same time, maybe a "live and let live" approach is the best way here. I mean the guys sitting on a score in the 2's, he's not going to get any recognition and after it passes off of the flash portal page it will most likely be lost in newgrounds tens of thousands of flash movies stored on here.

I mean, the movies not benefitting anyone, but i'm sure the guy who made it is proud of himself for compiling these things that make him happy and sharing it with the web.

All i want to say is that for those who are interested in 2D animation or game development, those people will continue to make better and better movies/games and perhaps even make a name for themselves on newgrounds. For the rest, just let them be because they're not hurting anyone (as long as they're not stealing and what not).

Live and let live guys ^_^ There will always be spam on the internet, just don't let it discourage you.

At 4/17/10 06:51 PM, HDXmike wrote:

At 4/17/10 06:49 PM, Luis wrote:

At 4/17/10 06:43 PM, citricsquid wrote: you can't force him. Tell him that he can either let you have it all or you'll donate his percentage to charity.

you should give most of the profits to farza <3

Oh yeah sure why not !

That would just egg farza on and help convince him that being a flash game "director/manager" pays off.

At 4/17/10 07:33 PM, Duchednier wrote: That would just egg farza on and help convince him that being a flash game "director/manager" pays off.

I can see you didn't take notice of the obvious sarcasm they were using.

At 4/17/10 07:36 PM, Archon68 wrote:

At 4/17/10 07:33 PM, Duchednier wrote: That would just egg farza on and help convince him that being a flash game "director/manager" pays off.

I can see you didn't take notice of the obvious sarcasm they were using.

Oh i caught it, but i dont think mike did, thats why i said it :P

At 4/17/10 03:43 PM, Rabid-Animals wrote: Is there any way to discourage these tactics? I'd also like to know the opinions of some admins on this, specifically Luis.

It sucks yea, but i mean i tend to just want to let it be. If whats his face found some obscure 'niche' where people have let him get away with that and even enjoy it enough to vote favorably, then god bless him. I think most of the self respecting artists have enough sense and pride in their work to not do something like that. There's obviously going to be people out there who do that type of thing and its quite pathetic and sad but i guess they dont really care or view the flash scene as creatively as some of us, maybe all of us here in the lounge.

You just gotta always remember that a score on a website isnt always going to reflect the quality of the piece necessarily. Its just a pulse on whatever voters happen to be on and voting. Sometimes you get very fickle crowd, sometimes you get a territorial one, sometimes you get packs of fanboys, sometimes you get the artsy fartsy folks. Its just a different mix. I agree though that it is very lame, even his preloader and slideshow mechanism is freely available code. Like if youre just going to take photos youd think you'd atleast bother to look into building the engine yourself. but nope.

Do i think they should be deleted or not allowed. Ehh not really. I think they should have as much of a chance to prove themselves as anything else under judgment, I'd like to think people would vote it as trash but if they havent well thats life in the portal.

At 4/17/10 06:49 PM, Luis wrote:

At 4/17/10 06:43 PM, citricsquid wrote: you can't force him. Tell him that he can either let you have it all or you'll donate his percentage to charity.

you should give most of the profits to farza <3

Thankyou Luis for a reasonable answers.

But I didn't want any money since the game started. (no comments on that)

Now let's al discuss why Luis stopped responding to my PM's >:c

At 4/17/10 06:05 PM, Archon68 wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1157 387#bbspost20989275_heading

I've seen it. My post was regarding Under Judgement and just-passed submissions primarily, so I'm not sure Tom's post relates. Unless there is a specific aspect of my post you were responding to?
Or, you had meant to quote HDXmike, who did mention the notion of 'one vote per submission'.

At 4/17/10 06:01 PM, HDXmike wrote: it should just be yes or no

I do hate that kind of system, but it may need implementation. I feel this horrible sense of disappointment that people can't choose properly from several options, and try to manipulate the system by voting with extremities - that just breaks down the entire concept of taking an average score.

At 4/17/10 07:33 PM, Duchednier wrote: I mean, the movies not benefitting anyone, but i'm sure the guy who made it is proud of himself for compiling these things that make him happy and sharing it with the web.

I'm gonna sound like a bit of a douche for saying this, but bear with me:
Do we want him to be proud of himself?
Of course, it's nice to give people a sense of achievement and satisfaction, but is it for the best? Will that personal success encourage him to learn more about Flash and begin to make his own stuff, or will it just teach him to continue to do the same thing: make slideshows using other people's pictures and perform liberal copy-pasting of code to reach an end result? And if he does go the way of making his own things, what will he do if his first honest piece of work fails to impress? Continue to aspire or go back to what worked in the first place?
Of course, none of us can answer those questions (I've written way too many to even bother trying in the first place), and the 'correct' answer will probably differ on a case by case basis. But I'm under the belief that supporting such behaviour is probably a bad thing in most cases.

At 4/17/10 07:08 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: The lack of Doctor Who discussion going on right now makes me a sad panda.

Well, err...
Great storyline, but the ending was a little cheesy. That is my review.

At 4/17/10 09:05 PM, Doomsday-One wrote: Or, you had meant to quote HDXmike, who did mention the notion of 'one vote per submission'.

^^ this

At 4/17/10 09:15 PM, Archon68 wrote:

At 4/17/10 09:05 PM, Doomsday-One wrote: Or, you had meant to quote HDXmike, who did mention the notion of 'one vote per submission'.

^^ this

Ah, sorry. Misread.
Probably should have double-checked that before accusing you of making an oversight.

At 4/17/10 07:08 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: The lack of Doctor Who discussion going on right now makes me a sad panda.

Yo, we got the same icon and aura now, how cool is that :3

</obligatory_drunken_post>

good night

At 4/17/10 09:27 PM, knugen wrote: </obligatory_drunken_post>

I was drunk once. I think it was a Tuesday.

At 4/17/10 07:08 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: The lack of Doctor Who discussion going on right now makes me a sad panda.

Why doesn't Amy remember the Daleks? This is bullshit!

Last episode was particularly painful to watch, and I bet you the next one is going to be just as crap. The weeping angels were a great idea, and now they're gonna bring them back because they can't think of new ideas, except this time it's just gonna be another painful struggle for fresh ideas. It's like bringing jesus back from his grave. Sure, he was a cool guy back then, but you can't just bring him back any time just because you need a wank. If you bring zombie jesus out of his grave he will be disgusting and covered by scars and wounds.

inb4 "the weeping angels were destroyed but now they have come back through the time continuum vortex field capacitor with the daleks because one of them survived and now they want to destroy earth and now there's 100 times more of them and they are more powerful and they come in different colors"

and now they shoot lasers out of their mouths, too.

River Song is back too don't forget. Also what's wrong with bring enemies back if there's new stories to tell? The Daleks appeared in the second ever story and they've been back loads of times since.

Also, The Weeping Angels were never destroyed, only the four in Blink were. The montage at the end made them look like they were everywhere.

At 4/17/10 09:56 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:

Also, The Weeping Angels were never destroyed, only the four in Blink were. The montage at the end made them look like they were everywhere.

if you like Blink you should check out Winx

At 4/17/10 09:05 PM, Doomsday-One wrote:

At 4/17/10 07:33 PM, Duchednier wrote: I mean, the movies not benefitting anyone, but i'm sure the guy who made it is proud of himself for compiling these things that make him happy and sharing it with the web.

I'm gonna sound like a bit of a douche for saying this, but bear with me:
Do we want him to be proud of himself?
Of course, it's nice to give people a sense of achievement and satisfaction, but is it for the best? Will that personal success encourage him to learn more about Flash and begin to make his own stuff, or will it just teach him to continue to do the same thing: make slideshows using other people's pictures and perform liberal copy-pasting of code to reach an end result? And if he does go the way of making his own things, what will he do if his first honest piece of work fails to impress? Continue to aspire or go back to what worked in the first place?

Its just personal satisfaction, who are we to say "You did this BUT YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF".

If he's proud of his work he'll try and make better ones until he's got his own quality work to show. If he's just an attention whore he'll soon find out that he's not getting any attention and give up, so no harm no foul.

Of course, none of us can answer those questions (I've written way too many to even bother trying in the first place), and the 'correct' answer will probably differ on a case by case basis. But I'm under the belief that supporting such behaviour is probably a bad thing in most cases.

So don't support it, but don't go out of your way to try and make the guy feel bad, because you're not benefiting from that anyways. Its wasting time doing something negative when you could be doing so many other things worthwhile! (Sorry if I sound preachy, i dont mean it)

My view on the whole matter is whether or not you accomplished your goal in making a film or game.

Now when someone makes, for instance, a stick movie, maybe it was a huge technical innovation in their animation skills!

If someone makes their own characters and storyline and tries to get their ideas out there, that may be a huge accomplishment of compiling a script, voices, characters, artwork, and cinematography.

But if someone wants to make a montage of someone else's art or movies, aka animated montages of classic Newgrounds cartoons, they BETTER do it well or they will get a lot of heat. It's a goal, indeed, but the standards are a lot higher with 'tribute' types.

Yeah there are people who eat up attention both accidentally and purposefully but that will never change, overall, no matter how good or bad they may be.

Well said Starogre

On a slightly different topic, here's some form of sexual innuendo i found advertising itself on the NG frontpage.

You tell me that glowy breast in the middle doesn't look like a glowy breast!

I should probably look at the submission in question before continuing to discuss it...

At 4/17/10 11:28 PM, Duchednier wrote: Its just personal satisfaction, who are we to say "You did this BUT YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF".

We're the goddamn Flash regs.
But seriously, I think we should be saying this in the same way that you would tell a child not to cheat or something. Otherwise he would be encouraged to carry on posting these slideshows (and reviews saying "Post more in the future..." probably do that).
We're not saying it to make ourselves feel better, we're saying it in the hope that it will make him better.

If he's proud of his work he'll try and make better ones until he's got his own quality work to show. If he's just an attention whore he'll soon find out that he's not getting any attention and give up, so no

harm no foul.

You make a good point.
Still, I'm under the belief that the criticism really speeds up this strive to be better.

So don't support it, but don't go out of your way to try and make the guy feel bad, because you're not benefiting from that anyways. Its wasting time doing something negative when you could be doing so many other things worthwhile!

I may not be benefiting, but again I hope that he does.
Also, you overestimate me. I could do nothing else worthwhile.

At 4/17/10 10:58 PM, Starogre wrote: if you like Blink you should check out Winx

I can't be sure of how to respond to that. Damn it Starogre.

At 4/18/10 03:44 AM, Duchednier wrote: You tell me that glowy breast in the middle doesn't look like a glowy breast!

I would motorboat the hell out of that planet.

At 4/18/10 09:57 AM, Johnny wrote:

At 4/18/10 03:44 AM, Duchednier wrote: You tell me that glowy breast in the middle doesn't look like a glowy breast!

I would motorboat the hell out of that planet.

I wonder if the giant nipple they added actually has anything to do with the game..

At 4/18/10 06:25 AM, Doomsday-One wrote: I should probably look at the submission in question before continuing to discuss it...

At 4/17/10 11:28 PM, Duchednier wrote: Its just personal satisfaction, who are we to say "You did this BUT YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF".

We're the goddamn Flash regs.
But seriously, I think we should be saying this in the same way that you would tell a child not to cheat or something. Otherwise he would be encouraged to carry on posting these slideshows (and reviews saying "Post more in the future..." probably do that).
We're not saying it to make ourselves feel better, we're saying it in the hope that it will make him better.

If he's proud of his work he'll try and make better ones until he's got his own quality work to show. If he's just an attention whore he'll soon find out that he's not getting any attention and give up, so no

harm no foul.

You make a good point.
Still, I'm under the belief that the criticism really speeds up this strive to be better.

Nothing wrong with providing your feedback to people even if they take it to heart or not. I do side with Duche in that you have to understand that the portal is just that, a portal. Some people arent interested in being the next adam phillips or the next glaiel gamer ;-0
Some people see the portal as a portal for sharing something they liked or think someone else would enjoy or get some sort of reaction out of. The advantage we have over places like YouTube is that the portal has that veil of screening that a submission goes through where it can be blammed/saved/whistled. Its more or less the responsibility of the voting public to use that screening period wisely. Sometimes shit obviously gets through that clearly shouldnt have and thats just one of the beauties/imperfections of a system that puts the power into its voters.

At 4/18/10 01:11 PM, Duchednier wrote: I wonder if the giant nipple they added actually has anything to do with the game..

Assuming it's supposed to be a sun or moon breaking the horizon of the planet.

I like the idea of it being a nipple much better though.

At 4/18/10 01:12 PM, Luis wrote: Sometimes shit obviously gets through that clearly shouldnt have and thats just one of the beauties/imperfections of a system that puts the power into its voters.

Yes, of course. I think I said in my first post that the only 'solutions' that would remove shit would destroy what the Flash Portal is all about.
I was talking a bit more about shit of the 'slideshow' variety in my recent posts. I remain under the belief that such things shouldn't be accepted, or at least heavily looked down upon (especially considering one of the rules of submission are "Do not submit pictures in a slide show format with no interactivity").
My concern isn't really with the use of other people's images (although it is a pity if an artist creates something only for it to be stuffed into a slideshow without credit), but I am worried that, especially in the case of hentai slideshows and whatnot, the submissions can score relatively high and even get small rewards on dull days. If the author then goes "right, time to try making my own animation", and that animation scores lower than the slideshows or even fails to get through the Portal, it would be much easier and probably more likely that the author would go back to doing what works and what gets good scores (i.e. the slideshows), and that behaviour isn't the one we want new Flash users (both the 'doer' and the aspiring Flash users who see) to learn.

Yes, it doesn't really affect me - Newgrouds has plenty of space to spare and I'll probably never come into contact with such submissions. But if someone could potentially be the next Adam Phillips or whoever the other one is, I think Newgrounds should probably be doing more to encourage them to work harder on their animating/programming and less on making slideshows. I'm not saying we should hold them at gunpoint against their will, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.

Also, I noticed that the Greasemonkey script for linking to individual posts (which is fantastic, by the way) moves the 'link' button for posts from <deleted> users. No big deal really; it just goes from after the 'Posted at' information to before it. Still works wonderfully in all cases though.

When i first joined newgrounds I probably wouldn't have stayed if it weren't for the fact that HOLY AWESOME my game popped right up on the site and started getting comments.

Had it been blammed, i probably wouldn't have returned and moved on to the next site.

i like that you can click on the newgrounds page on the background somewhere and not get a popup. you would on plenty of other hentai game sites :D

At 4/18/10 07:27 PM, Starogre wrote: i like that you can click on the newgrounds page on the background somewhere and not get a popup. you would on plenty of other hentai game sites :D

Speaking of pop ups, what happened to them? If I remember correctly, they were everywhere on the internet as recently as 5 years ago or something, but now the only place where I ever get pop ups is porn sites, and it's always the same shitty poker pop up. I remember when I was a kid there was always pop ups saying stuff like "you are the ___th visitor". Was that because of malware, or was the internet different back then?

At 4/18/10 08:12 PM, citricsquid wrote:

At 4/18/10 08:08 PM, Toast wrote: Speaking of pop ups, what happened to them:

http://armorgames.com
most sites got rid of them, they piss off users and most browsers block them now

Instead, we now have interstitials and takeovers. Woo progress.

At 4/18/10 08:34 PM, citricsquid wrote: caused by the internets population of selfish fucks focused on fucking over every website owner by blocking even the smallest adverts.

80% of the internet still uses IE

to be honest, since i've had my mac i haven't used firefox...safari has worked perfectly. i'm surprised there aren't more safari users...it may be because of the amount of pc users vs mac anyways

At 4/18/10 09:27 PM, Starogre wrote: to be honest, since i've had my mac i haven't used firefox...safari has worked perfectly. i'm surprised there aren't more safari users...it may be because of the amount of pc users vs mac anyways

I use a mac and i use firefox though safari is still right next to it on my dock. I just got used to FF when i switched from IE. I've used safari a bit though and there are loads of features that i like.

IMO both are phenominal browsers.

At 4/18/10 08:53 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 4/18/10 08:34 PM, citricsquid wrote: caused by the internets population of selfish fucks focused on fucking over every website owner by blocking even the smallest adverts.

80% of the internet still uses IE

Lol.

But in the end it's always Google Chrome that wins.

I used Safari a few times, it's about as fast as Chrome. Idk why I still love Chrome, mabye it's the extremely simple interface. Or mabye I Just love google :p

Firefox is complete shiz. It's a horrible browser, to me.
My Mom still uses IE. It takes 30 seconds just to open Google. While Chrome and Safari open in a snap.

NEW VIDEO GAME STUFF

Search up Playstation Motion Google. You would think it's a Wii copy, but it really is better. Better games, better gear, better evrything. Will it replace the Wii? I don't think
so. The Wii will forever be a Family System in the minds of parents. The PS3 has always been a Bloody, Shoot em up system to my parents.

Also Search up 3DS. What it is, it's te DS, but the games are in 3D, glasses free.
Idk know much about it yet since it hasn't shown up at E3 yet. It doesn't look all that great, but meh.