At 12/3/06 09:55 AM, Luis wrote:

I think one of the problems is that people want to keep on topic, but then have something else they want to say. So they make a post like so:

I farted lolol spam
------
So do you prefer the line tool or paint bucket?

A useless post with a useless topic that gets answered by a couple of people, which means there are sometimes 10 topics going on in one page.

At 12/3/06 09:55 AM, Luis wrote: IMPORTANT and worthwhile posts on this thread and bumped out of this galaxy in a matter of minutes.

that's a lame excuse for locking this. they are "bumped out of this galaxy" so fast because we solve the problems really fast, as if waiting for someone to ask a question.

and besides, this is a "lounge". a little spam shouldn't be out of the question. you once locked a topic because, according to you, it was trying to condense the flash forum into one topic. forcing us to only talk about flash is essentially the same situation, in that you are telling us to condense the flash forum into this thread.

At 12/3/06 09:55 AM, Luis wrote: Some good stuff

Luis, you bring up some great points, but I just don't agree with you.

Most of the people who were posting in this thread are the people who provide help and support to newbies who some to this forum for Flash help.

This thread was kind of their reward, a place where they could actually talk to the people they see in the forum every day yet never get to know, or even like talk to about anything except Flash, Flash, Flash, and more Flash, and maybe some Photoshop.

Now, if Tom or Wade or whoever said to you that you need to heavily moderate this thread, then I say lock it. It is not fair to put a burden on you in order to keep it running. But if you take it upon yourself to moderate the thread, then well, to be honest I don't see the harm in one thread.

I'm sure you've noticed I don't post here that much anymore, so locking this thread really means little to nothing to me. But I see by reading the posts how much some other regs enjoy it and if it's taken away from them, maybe they should take away themselves as an asset to this forum, because many of them are.

So the bottom line, my question to you is do the ends justify the means? Does locking one questionable thread on the first page (general has about 50) in the Flash forum where the main userbase that helps people mingle make sense? And if an admin wanted this closed I'd be a little surprised because this thread probably brings in a nice bit of extra money for Newgrounds while the regs have fun, so it seems like everyone wins.

But you probably know better than me, Luis. Maybe I'm completely missing the harm that this thread does to the NG BBS, but in my view the positives of this thread outweigh the negatives by a landslide.

Well...

What if we made our own "Flash Regs" forum? I mean there could be like a section for Flash help and a section for just whatever, so it could be more organized. We appoint 3-4 dependable mods who could help moderate(duh) the forum, and with separate threads for each conversation, it could be controlled or locked if it gets too out of hand.

My two cents.

At 12/3/06 01:36 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Well...

What if we made our own "Flash Regs" forum? I mean there could be like a section for Flash help and a section for just whatever, so it could be more organized. We appoint 3-4 dependable mods who could help moderate(duh) the forum, and with separate threads for each conversation, it could be controlled or locked if it gets too out of hand.

My two cents.

Also, people could get Flash help if they needed it too. We wouldn't want it just chat and conversation, it would still be mostly Flash.

At 12/3/06 01:37 PM, Masterswordman wrote: stuff

www.flashregs.net
been done before.
Someone should make a flash regs thread in the general forum

I agree with some of your points Dfox. I mean, the community here is a bit more pulled together with the reg lounge because we get to learn about each other. But I feel half of that is lost in translation, because the only way that happens is between piles of spam. I wake up in the morning, only to find running pages of posts about nothing in particular. Particularily, I've learned that I can pretty much jump to any random page between 100 - 150 and find at least half of the page to be garbage.

And it's sad that it is coming down to the Reg Lounge being shut down before anyone start's saying, "hey, theres something wrong going down here." I've said at least 2-3 times that the thread is running downhill, but no one thought to get down to the bottom and start to push it back up.

But maybe people haven't seen the decrease in threadom. Pages like this one manage to capture a great conversation that is fun to be a part of without the need for 3 pages of spam.

At 12/3/06 02:09 PM, jmtb02 wrote: I agree with some of your points Dfox. I mean, the community here is a bit more pulled together with the reg lounge because we get to learn about each other. But I feel half of that is lost in translation, because the only way that happens is between piles of spam. I wake up in the morning, only to find running pages of posts about nothing in particular. Particularily, I've learned that I can pretty much jump to any random page between 100 - 150 and find at least half of the page to be garbage.

Well, that's definitely true. I mean I'm no longer able to keep up with conversation in the thread because it simply moves too fast. With that said, I do get a lot out of the thread because there are intelligent posts even if there's some spam.

I just wish there was a way the spam problem could be dealt with once and for all. Because asking you, neg, and Luis to babysit the thread isn't fair, and I realize that.

At 12/3/06 01:56 PM, fuzz wrote: been done before.

Well...

Its more like NG Regs to me.

At 12/3/06 02:17 PM, DFox wrote: I just wish there was a way the spam problem could be dealt with once and for all. Because asking you, neg, and Luis to babysit the thread isn't fair, and I realize that.

Yeah, it's a great place to talk about flash and i'll be sad to see it go the way of AS:Main. On another mod related topic, how come the NG Artist showcase thread hasn't been moved to the art forum yet?

When is the lock taking place?

At 12/3/06 02:19 PM, Depredation wrote:

When is the lock taking place?

End of the year.

I'm not getting involved with the debate. I've put my fair share of spam threads in...

Wait... not sure I have, but I'm sure they could be construed as such by mods and other people, so I'll give myself the downsides of the doubt.

But this gave me something to think about...

At 9/28/06 11:07 AM, Luis wrote: 3- Have Fun. If you are gonna get bent out of shape over a bbs thread then you probably should just unplug your computer and never plug it again.

Anyone spot the situational irony?

At 12/3/06 02:30 PM, Masterswordman wrote: End of the year.

Ah, that gives me plenty of time to spam before the lock :P.

Anyway, i bought PC Gamer as something to read whilst on a car journey the other week and i just noticed it came with a demo of blast miner. It's nice to feel that someone who has something in a magazine for him started flash on NG eh?

Anyone else bought it?

If you look carefully, the ratio of spam to good stuff is directly proportional to the rate at which I've been posting here. I therefore blame the decline (if anyone says anything, then grrr) of this thread on my recent burst in social activity and nearing completeion of my 2 games, which both contributed to me not posting so much.

lol

Tom~

The only thing i'll probably say about the locking of the thread is this:

Since this thread was made, there weren't ANY "inglor raped me", "toast sucks", or any of that kind of threads. Why? Because that kind of spam was fun when all we did around the forum was help n00bs who most of the time are really ungrateful for the help they can get. Plus, if you ask me, the lounge keeps the "humour" of the regs good, so that they don't flame every n00b on sight.

This place is honestly, like my second home. I come online and instantly click the "Ng BBS - Flash" tab on my FF browser. And honestly, for as much as the forums goes only for "flash tricks and tips" and the like, we need a little 'escape' if you'd like to call it that.

I say keep the thread alive, if it dies, the spam will just spread troughout the whole forum.

But then again, that's just me and my opinion.

At 12/3/06 02:53 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

At 9/28/06 11:07 AM, Luis wrote: 3- Have Fun. If you are gonna get bent out of shape over a bbs thread then you probably should just unplug your computer and never plug it again.

Anyone spot the situational irony?

You like going out of your way to get into confrontations with me dont you.

anyway the point of this thread was lost in translation somewhere along the lines and people nowadays feel justified spamming here.. like its their right to do so. That because you are a reg you have earned the god given right to spam. I dont remember ever having signed off to that. The fault I have as a mod was not doing shit about it until it was too late and everyone and their mommas momma is doing it now.

And so its out of control and we all (myself included in this crap) spam because we expect to get away with it. That is the root of the problem. This thread wouldnt go out of control if people hadnt begun to think of this as a place to spam.

-L

The way I see it is the thread is going to get locked, get over it. Instead of spending this last month we have with it arguing, why don't we use it as it was intended? With that said...

How many regs here get instant messages from people asking for flash help? It happens to me more than I would expect it to. Last weekend I was writing an english paper at about 12:30am and AIM popped up with a conversation from a guy who I later found to be from Ohio who wanted a little help with actionscript.

It was 12:30am on the West Coast, that made it 3:30am in Ohio. I didn't mind helping the guy, it served as a break from writing my paper, I just found it funny that he would IM at 3:30 in the morning.

He serves as an example as a good instant messenger though, he was courteous and actually wanted flash help. I have other people IM me for no apparent reason, are impatient, and are absolutely rude, and that is when it gets annoying.

At 12/3/06 04:22 PM, DingoEatingFuzz wrote: He serves as an example as a good instant messenger though, he was courteous and actually wanted flash help. I have other people IM me for no apparent reason, are impatient, and are absolutely rude, and that is when it gets annoying.

Nobodies ever IM'ed me because i don't have AIM, but I've got about 30/40 PM's asking for flash help, mostly basic stuff. It's a good feeling when you know somone thinks your good enough to ask for help :).

Yeah i agree with the post above, just deal with it, it may be locked it may not who knows just dont contribute to its demise and we'll see what happens.

-L

At 12/3/06 03:49 PM, Luis wrote: You like going out of your way to get into confrontations with me dont you.

They're not meant to be serious confrontations. I only do it because I know you won't take it personally.

And yes, I completely understand all sides of this argument and understand why the thread needs to close. Was just pointing out how seriously we're ALL taking the closure of a single thread. The post was meant to point it out to _everyone_

At 12/3/06 04:31 PM, Depredation wrote: Nobodies ever IM'ed me because i don't have AIM, but I've got about 30/40 PM's asking for flash help, mostly basic stuff. It's a good feeling when you know somone thinks your good enough to ask for help :).

I've never, ever, had an NG PM asking for flash help. Alas.

I have had a random dude post on my Livejournal to ask how to make a spot the difference game.

Had maybe 3 folk e-mail me to ask the same thing, which I find amusing.

Gave all enough help to get started.

At 12/3/06 05:08 PM, Bezman wrote: I've never, ever, had an NG PM asking for flash help. Alas.

I've had quite a few, but they have all derived from my basics tutorial. They have all been very basic, some even just where do you get flash? I don't mind answering them as long as they aren't being a jerk wad about it.

I've never been asked either

At 12/3/06 05:08 PM, Bezman wrote: I've never, ever, had an NG PM asking for flash help. Alas.

Maybe not PM'ing me for help, but PM'ing me for thanks for my help.

By the way, this thread has actually been getting less posts than when it started, because I remember within one day, there would be 3-4 new pages. Now we just barely fill up 1 page in a day.

Maybe its for the best...

At 12/3/06 07:35 PM, ShirtTurtle wrote: Reg only activities and competions would be great.

flashregs.net needs to be re-opened, or a similar off-site bbs or something set up.

At 12/3/06 07:38 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: flashregs.net needs to be re-opened, or a similar off-site bbs or something set up.

Thats what I said. Read my post on either this or the previous page.

Except, that it would be called NG Regs.

At 12/3/06 07:43 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Except, that it would be called NG Regs.

Yeah, but if it's NG regs, people form the other forums might want to join, and they all suck! =P

At 12/3/06 07:47 PM, ShirtTurtle wrote:

At 12/3/06 07:45 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:

At 12/3/06 07:43 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Except, that it would be called NG Regs.

Yeah, but if it's NG regs, people form the other forums might want to join, and they all suck! =P

Too true.
Why not create threads with flash regness in them rather than a site.

Why not just try to conductive ourselves like we're not kids, behave, not spam, when we're about to say something irrelevant, don't, and try to keep this thread open?

At 12/3/06 07:47 PM, ShirtTurtle wrote: Why not create threads with flash regness in them rather than a site.

Because they would just be spam topics, which is what general is for. Plus it would set a bad example to new flash users and all that shit. If no one's up for a site maybe bring back the weeklies. Or have more reg-events like was mentioned earlier. Remember when we all posted on alts for a week then had to guess who each other was? That shit was cool!

At 12/3/06 07:50 PM, DFox wrote: Why not just try to conductive ourselves like we're not kids, behave, not spam, when we're about to say something irrelevant, don't, and try to keep this thread open?

I think its too late for that.