At 5/4/06 04:38 PM, liaaaam wrote: Sorry to bother you, <3.

It sounds like you're emailing God. :P

lol, since when has Newgrounds been a synonym for internet?

since forever.

At 5/4/06 04:54 PM, -yam- wrote: since forever.

oh, great. Thanks for telling me guys. >:(

At 5/4/06 04:55 PM, Kirk_Cocaine wrote:

At 5/4/06 04:54 PM, -yam- wrote: since forever.

oh, great. Thanks for telling me guys. >:(

You gotta get on with the times.

Hell, of course, i did notice this, and how he wasnt coauthored, fuck that guy, i already sent him an email and finished reading this thread. X3

I can also help you give you more exposure Neg, send me a banner to your site or something. My site isnt a freewebs, doesnt get much exposure, but its still not a freewebs. =D

drop me a lien in a few weeks, ill have my .co.uk site by then, ill give u free banner space. Luffs to ur AS, Neg.

This is the bit that bothers me: "I gave him all the direction & intructions of how I wanted the game to work". I would say that is precisely why Neg deserves co-author. You don't follow somebody else's idea for fun. And people with ideas are dime a dozen, too, but not the ones who can turn things into code (or into animation for that matter).

But it doesn't surprise me that much; coders are often underappreciated. :-(

often, perhaps, but Thats why contests from armor games and stuff are great, because it really shows teh power of coders nowadays, and shows people what they can do. Thsi makes tehm appriciate them more.

Liam email to Tom

Dont you think were all getting a bit overboard with this? Yes its a bit mean or whatever, but im sure Neg can sort it out, its kinda like were taking his argument and fighting it for him.

What do you all think on co-author spots btw? In regards to games (usually form 2 people) should they both be co-authored?

and especially with collabs. Thats something that annoys me. a bunch of people all put about the same amount of work in, but 5 get credited.

These type of things should be discussed before making the project. Only tears will follow if they are discussed afterwards.

Wait you're not... oooh I get it, haha. Yeah...

Hell, I co-authored my music dude, mostly for his support of the project.

I'd say that if you took that person out of the picture and the project would be drastically different, you co-author them.

IDK if anyone has mentioned this but what about Dustball and -gel-. -gel- does art AND pregramming and Dustball gets co-author just for the music.

At 5/4/06 06:33 PM, electricfreak wrote: Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.2.1)

You got that from a Thesaurus? See, that's why I didn't know about it, I'm afraid of Dinosaurs.

Oh, shut up.

At 5/4/06 06:40 PM, Kirk_Cocaine wrote:

At 5/4/06 06:33 PM, electricfreak wrote: Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.2.1)

You got that from a Thesaurus? See, that's why I didn't know about it, I'm afraid of Dinosaurs.

BAHAHA!

Kirk cocaine, always the comedian :D

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Neg you coded JRF? Wow I didn't know that (seriously). I'll have to say that something has to be done about this.

1 day ban for picture spamming. you guys know who you are.

At 5/4/06 05:37 PM, Newsdee wrote: But it doesn't surprise me that much; coders are often underappreciated. :-(

Nah, coders are appreciated quite a lot these days, just as much as artists/animators. This is generally due to the fact that games get more views on the internet (not newgrounds) because of the replay and interactivity factor.

The undercredited/apprechiated ones are the musicians generally, their credit is lower than anything.

Also, no spot on Johnny Rocketfingers 2 for NegativeOne yet, and no reply from my hate mail (although i don't really expect one).

i agree with james.. dont let this discourage you from working with others.. this is a fairly rare occurence.. albeit tragic.

Most people are actually real human beings and value the work of another.
Regardless as AloneIntheDark said, make sure you outline duties and retribution well before the project starts.. preferably in writing. Treat it as a business relationship. save your e-mails save your milestone conversations etc etc. If this go really sour you can always go back those if it comes to legal battles for ownership issues.

-L

At 5/4/06 08:41 PM, -Luis- wrote: Most people are actually real human beings and value the work of another.
Regardless as AloneIntheDark said, make sure you outline duties and retribution well before the project starts.. preferably in writing. Treat it as a business relationship. save your e-mails save your milestone conversations etc etc. If this go really sour you can always go back those if it comes to legal battles for ownership issues.

Yeah, well I guess I give people the benefit of the doubt all too often. I made it clear in the beginning that I was taking the project on for exposure and traffic, and that I'd want credit wherever possible. Guess writing would have been a good idea though. I'll know for the future.

Also, no spot on Johnny Rocketfingers 2 for NegativeOne yet, and no reply from my hate mail (although i don't really expect one).

Naw, I'm pretty sure he's gonna take a head-in-the-sand approach to this.

Thanks again, everyone, for the continued support. Everyone who even just acknowledges this having happened is helping me out, as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to have JRF2 pulled or anything, but I do wish there was a way for Ryan to come to his senses. And if he doesn't, I'm glad a lot of people will know just how things went down.

Here's my banner for anyone who asked. <3

ill put ure banner on my website when it goes up sometime next week

Mass Vote 0 until he finally lets him co-author!!

it's the only way he'll learn

At 5/5/06 09:35 AM, FailurePi wrote: Mass Vote 0 until he finally lets him co-author!!

it's the only way he'll learn

No.

that was really unfair, i think everyone who knows about this should review that game talking about this.
i already did it but, it is possible to put the url of these thread on the review? or maybe someone who can post in frontpage should say something about this.

At 5/5/06 09:36 AM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote: No.

Sorry i'd though i'd explain this post (although it's fairly obvious).

First off, voting this down is lowering the credit that is still on NegativeOne's flash.
It's mass voting that isn't based on the quality of the flash which is wrong, the flash is good, it's had a LOT of work put in by the artist, coder and musician.
You can get banned just for talking about it here (sorry if you do).
NegativeOne could get blamed that we all mass voted his submission down.
Doing that will make us dicks aswell, just as much as he is. Just let it go, and hope that he get's credited.

Feel free to drop him an email though:
ryan@crackedanimations.com

At 5/5/06 09:43 AM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote:

At 5/5/06 09:36 AM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote: No.

Sorry i'd though i'd explain this post (although it's fairly obvious).

First off, voting this down is lowering the credit that is still on NegativeOne's flash.
It's mass voting that isn't based on the quality of the flash which is wrong, the flash is good, it's had a LOT of work put in by the artist, coder and musician.
You can get banned just for talking about it here (sorry if you do).
NegativeOne could get blamed that we all mass voted his submission down.
Doing that will make us dicks aswell, just as much as he is. Just let it go, and hope that he get's credited.

Feel free to drop him an email though:
ryan@crackedanimations.com

So pretty much you want us to spam his e-mail? Done and done

At 5/5/06 09:43 AM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote:

At 5/5/06 09:36 AM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote: No.

Sorry i'd though i'd explain this post (although it's fairly obvious).

First off, voting this down is lowering the credit that is still on NegativeOne's flash.
It's mass voting that isn't based on the quality of the flash which is wrong, the flash is good, it's had a LOT of work put in by the artist, coder and musician.
You can get banned just for talking about it here (sorry if you do).
NegativeOne could get blamed that we all mass voted his submission down.
Doing that will make us dicks aswell, just as much as he is. Just let it go, and hope that he get's credited.

Feel free to drop him an email though:
ryan@crackedanimations.com

hmm..kay i see where your going with this. Ok new plan. ALL YOU PEEPS WITH THE ABILITY TO VOTE FOR MONTHLYS!

Don't vote for this one. There should be plenty of other chocie movies this month anywayz, Pico Day has like 30+ monthly candidates

i say give him co-author. if it wasnt for him coding the game it wouldnt be out now would it?

At 5/5/06 09:53 AM, Gimpy_the_Imp wrote: i say give him co-author. if it wasnt for him coding the game it wouldnt be out now would it?

Please read the whole thread or just the first page, it wasn't actually Luis saying that.

At 5/5/06 10:25 AM, -Toast- wrote: Please read the whole thread or just the first page, it wasn't actually Luis saying that.

he never said anything about luis

At 5/5/06 09:49 AM, FailurePi wrote: Don't vote for this one.

But don't forget Neg made it too and we want him to get a prize, we need something else to convince the artist.

At 5/5/06 10:29 AM, Inglor wrote:

At 5/5/06 10:25 AM, -Toast- wrote: Please read the whole thread or just the first page, it wasn't actually Luis saying that.

he never said anything about luis

Then how would it help saying 'I think' he 'should' co author him?