My view is:

If two people make a game together they should both be authors. If one of the guys is such a prick as to question the amount of work the programmer did then let him be a prick :P

EDN.

programmers put a lot of work inot making your ideas become true. It is unfair for one to take all the credit so yes he should be a co-author.

Did you code Johnny Rocket Fingers 2? I didn't even know :O
That kinda proves you got too little credit.

At 5/4/06 01:18 PM, -Luis- wrote: Look for my review and his response and then you'll be annoyed like i was.

And i'd thought i'd seen it all >:(

He seems to be going out of his way to piss everyone off.

i havent read any of the other posts (cba) but considering your question i think definatly the coder should get co-auther. just because people cant see the code they think its insignificant, but the reality is the game wouldnt be playable if it wasnt actionscripted.

Co-Author eh? *Author*.

This is what I don't understand. His arguement is that he is not an author, when clearly, author means "One who writes or constructs." Check the dictionary if you need a textbook definition.

With the argument your artist has, Dad 'n' me should have been to soul work of Dan Paladin, right?

At 5/4/06 01:48 PM, -reelbigcheese- wrote: i havent read any of the other posts (cba) but considering your question i think definatly the coder should get co-auther. just because people cant see the code they think its insignificant, but the reality is the game wouldnt be playable if it wasnt actionscripted.

lol read the pages.

At 5/4/06 01:54 PM, -yam- wrote: lol read the pages.

but i'm three hole pages late, that would take ages to read. :(

Well here's where it gets a little grey.

In some cases yes there should be an obviously recognized author. Like if someone created a whole massive world, characters, 100% of the plot, and did fantastic art, and then used a programmer's engine to build his game. But that's kinda like using MS Word to write a novel.

But when the programmer works hand in hand on the game and the engine is made FOR the game, that programmer becomes a co-author on the technical end. He AUTHORS the gameplay mechanics for that specific game. This would be like having MS Word write your novel for you based off some ideas you have...using a human brain in a jar to apply human intelligence to it....

In this case that's a nice bit of work for the programmer... quite possibly more work than stickman animations....

At 5/4/06 01:50 PM, jmtb02 wrote: With the argument your artist has, Dad 'n' me should have been to soul work of Dan Paladin, right?

Well no that was Tom and dans baby. Johnny Rocket fingers 1 was his baby, and this is the follow onto it too. So neg was sorta bought in to help out.

I'm not trying to fight for him btw, Neg shoulda be co authored.

Luis btw your sig text is wrong, change it to something cool like "Mogly is cool".

Here's an idea to all people in future times that are working with people on flashes and are not sure if they are going to get credit, or the money they were promised. On the first frame, make flash look at a txt file on your site through php. Then make it so that if the text file is blank, it plays the movie like always, but if not then it should execute whatever the txt file says.

That way, if you get the credit you deserve, you can keep the text file blank, but if you're not satisfied, you could change the text file so that it closes the window with javascript or something. That's be quite cool.

At 5/4/06 02:00 PM, -Mogly- wrote: Johnny Rocket fingers 1

Lol if my mind serves well I remember that was just a fucking "click to go to frame" interface, as the new one has movement and inventory etc.

I'd assume the guy has very little programming knowledge if he could ever make the allogation that the coding for that game was far less than 50% of the total work. If so then why didnt he fucking do it himself.

At the risk of joining the emo club I might send an angry letter too, its definately annoying to see shit like this happenening especially to the same guy twice.

At 5/4/06 12:09 PM, NegativeONE wrote: jmtb, I'll send you my banner when I'm at home with a connection. Or you can grab it from afro's links.

i'll help too, send me a banner and i'll put it up and send you one when i get back.

At 5/4/06 01:55 PM, -reelbigcheese- wrote: but i'm three hole pages late, that would take ages to read. :(

Sigh:

Luis was being sarcastic-sorta, most of his post was the reply from the author of Johnny Rocketfingers 2 of a review Luis made of the Flash saying that NegativeOne should have been co-authored because he did the actionscript for it. Get it? Neg wasn't co-authored for the Flash when he should have been, the guy doesn't think he deserves that much credit though. Tard.

At 5/4/06 01:06 PM, NegativeONE wrote:

At 5/4/06 12:59 PM, Dark_Spark wrote: its not like the game had jumping engines, or any engines at all for that matter, hell i could program something like that. but still negativeone does deserve way more credit.

Pathfinding algorithms > jumping engines. Jumping engines are a fucking joke, dude. Everyone and their dog has a jumping engine.
You don't seem to have any Flash credits to your name - especially games - so be careful what sweeping assumptions you make about the work involved in programming an entire game.

maybe i should have played the game for more than 1 minute before saying anything. those kinds of games are really boring to me ( not your fault ).
and for the record i have about 7 projects in the works, 5 of them are games.
and 1 of those are sekky's huge 1 on 1 fighter project

well the core of whats wrong is how much potential page views Neg is losing because of this 'oversight' ... think about the front page and what a goldmine for prospective business that is... its not going to live there forever .. its so insulting that you go into a project with hopes of getting people aware of your coding talents and to never be acknowledged for them when the game is at its prime exposure.. i hope tom does something about this soon.

-L

its not wether u wrote the story or not if he didnt actionscript the game u wud have no game so he shud be co author and get half the money otherwise its stealing cause ure stealing his code which he made

Yah, i seen Johny game and was wondering where Neg was. I though it was his desicion, i geuss not.

He didn't even have space to fit his website in the game's description..

Programming by negativeone of....
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Too busy plugging other stupid shit.

wow. 3 pages of rants, is thsi a record? Yeah taht guy is a prick, and i think we shoudl make a petition thread to have it removed from newgrounds, and teh author banned, unless he co-authors negative one.

At 5/4/06 04:17 PM, fwe wrote: Too busy plugging other stupid shit.

yeah, it's like

This game was made possible by WWW.ELITEGAMEZ0R.COMZ paying my a bucketload of money, and WWW.WEMAKEGEEKCLOTHES.EU giving me free clothes to wear while making this game. Also thanks to WWW.TAKEAWAYZRUZ.COM for providing free food, all I had to do is offer my first born daughter to their 3 year old puppy - DEAL!!!

Oh yeah, thanks to that guy who did the co..
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Has anyone e-mailed Tom?

shit I just checked it out a bit closer. He has barely credited neg at all which is totaly unnacceptable. He has a huge link to his site and a massiv "CREATED BY ME" text. Then in the corner... "oh btw some guy coded it all and did all the work"
and the description is appauling with shitty music plugs and shit before crediting him. I suggest we boycott the flash somehow and have author changed to neg and kick the other guy in his crotch for being such an ass.

Some reg make a petiton on general for neg to be co-authored.

At 5/4/06 04:33 PM, -yam- wrote: Some reg make a petiton on general for neg to be co-authored.

read my post

still love you yammy

read my post

still love you yammy

Great minds think alike.

Fuck it, I emailed Tom.

I think this might have been brought to your attention already, but if you didn't know then here goes. The flash Johnny Rocketfingers 2 was coded by NegativeOne (the moderator), yet he has not been given co-author for his participation in the Flash because the other author (the artist) feels he doesn't need to do anymore than provide a non-clickable link to Aarons website. He feels he did all the work and Negative just did what he told him so he didn't do much. I guess he doesn't realise that being able to do everything somebody wants perfectly takes effort and talent, but that's his own mental problems and I won't go into it :) Anyway, the main thing is that NegativeOne/Aaron had no idea that the flash had been submitted (he's just moved and isn't hooked up to the Newgrounds yet) and thought he was going to be co-authored when it was. So basically the artist screwed him. Anally. A lot.

http://www.newground../topic.php?id=479733

Sorry to bother you, <3.

-liaaaam

Oh yeah, ftw.

ftw indeed. i hope he replies with as much love as you sent. but to NegativeOne thsi time. Anally. <3

At 5/4/06 04:38 PM, liaaaam wrote: -liaaaam

cute, Tom knows though.

At 5/4/06 04:38 PM, liaaaam wrote: Anyway, the main thing is that NegativeOne/Aaron had no idea that the flash had been submitted, he's just moved and isn't hooked up to the Newgrounds yet

lol, since when has Newgrounds been a synonym for internet?