So because the actionscripter coded 'my game' he should get Co-Author eh? *Author*.

I would understand if he helped me write the story, jokes, & puzzles. That would be an author. He coded the game, & very well. But I gave him all the direction & intructions of how I wanted the game to work. So, in my opinion, that does not deserve a "co-author" credit and I'm very surprised it would be an issue.

What do you think? Am I selfish artist for feeling this way?

*PS im also considering not giving my actionscripter a piece of my monthly award if i do win it. I think that only i should get it and only I should be responsible for the number 1 submission on the portal all time best list.
ONLY ME ONLY ME ONLY ME.

Sincerely,

-RYAN K.

lol who cares? If he helped make it give him co-author

This thread smells fishy, you are not called ryan K for a start.

I think you're on to something here. Programmers these days don't deserve credit, they're just lackeys to great artists such as yourself

At 5/4/06 10:35 AM, -Luis- wrote: So because the actionscripter coded 'my game' he should get Co-Author eh? *Author*.

I would understand if he helped me write the story, jokes, & puzzles. That would be an author. He coded the game, & very well. But I gave him all the direction & intructions of how I wanted the game to work. So, in my opinion, that does not deserve a "co-author" credit and I'm very surprised it would be an issue.

When deciding author and co-author, i think it's clear the the person with the design and concept and started it should get author. Considering animation and actionscript is 50/50 so the person who leads in design the game and how it works should decide it.

What do you think? Am I selfish artist for feeling this way?

No

*PS im also considering not giving my actionscripter a piece of my monthly award if i do win it. I think that only i should get it and only I should be responsible for the number 1 submission on the portal all time best list.
ONLY ME ONLY ME ONLY ME.

That is harsh, the prize money should be split 50/50. This includes any sponsorship money you are given etc. Because the coder has stuck with you, listened to your ideas and followed what you said. He has put in as much effort to the code as you have the art. Unless it is clear that they havn't made as much effort as you, but that is rarely seen in a lot of games.

i think you all should e-mail the author of johnny rocketfingers then. He seems to believe that only he deserves the success.

fucking prick. yeah i flamed him. ban me.

At 5/4/06 10:43 AM, -Luis- wrote: i think you all should e-mail the author of johnny rocketfingers then. He seems to believe that only he deserves the success.

fucking prick. yeah i flamed him. ban me.

I knew the animation was too good to be true....
only a robot like luis could do that.
I shed A tear for you :,(

and then ban you.

At 5/4/06 10:43 AM, -Luis- wrote: i think you all should e-mail the author of johnny rocketfingers then. He seems to believe that only he deserves the success.

fucking prick. yeah i flamed him. ban me.

lol I totaly agree

At 5/4/06 10:45 AM, -yam- wrote:

At 5/4/06 10:43 AM, -Luis- wrote: i think you all should e-mail the author of johnny rocketfingers then. He seems to believe that only he deserves the success.

fucking prick. yeah i flamed him. ban me.

I knew the animation was too good to be true....
only a robot like luis could do that.
I shed A tear for you :,(

and then ban you.

you're missing the point dude. Ryan animated it. But notice who wasn't coauthored for programming it

wait, hang on.
i get it, actually I don't, did negativeone program it? I should stop living under a rock.

pls send all hate mail here:

ryan@crackedanimations.com

At 5/4/06 10:43 AM, -Luis- wrote: i think you all should e-mail the author of johnny rocketfingers then. He seems to believe that only he deserves the success.

Whoh, i didn't realise that negativeone didn't get co-author (but i did notice that he scripted it).

I'd ban him if i were you ;)

At 5/4/06 10:48 AM, -Luis- wrote: pls send all hate mail here:

To: ryan@crackedanimations.com
From: james@jamesprankardinc.com
Subject: Johnny Rocketfingers 2

I understand you have a very good game released, and finally, after a long time waiting. I'm happy it turned out so well.

But... i have a huge complaint, why the hell did you not credit NegativeOne as co-author???

He did all the AS, and he deserves putting forward the credit onto co-author, not just a link to his site. He must of spend quite a bit of time sorting out the AS, and making everything fit (which is tedious with such a large game).

A lot of people agree with me, and you've just lost a lot of respect from a lot of people.

- James

At 5/4/06 10:35 AM, -Luis- wrote: -RYAN K.

I've been wondering about this since JRF came out. was fuckin surprised to see neg wasnt given co auth.

Oh yeah, I just remembered Neg was coding that.. I've not actually fully played the game (I don't really like puzzle sorta games) but Negative does deserve full co-authorship.

*threatening e-mail AHOY*

TO: ryan@crackedanimations.com
FROM: sherpasherpasherpa@gmail.com
SUBGECT: Johnny Rocket-Fingered too.
You smell of goat butt.

--
,.-~'`Sherpa`'~-.,
Mail me for I respond like hairy duck or nincompoop goat.

hehe. goat butt.

-1 for co-authorship.

I noticed that you had failed to give Aaron (hereon known as Neg) co-authorship of Johnny Rocketfingers 2 - even though he did all the programming for it. All you did was write the story (badly) and draw some characters/backgrounds (badly). Neg is an awesome coder, and I want to know how in Gods name did you manage to persuade him to not mind about being co-author? Or didn't you tell him? If you did then he must have gotten seriously retarded since I last saw him post on the Newgrounds.com BBS (which was a long time ago, so that is a possibility).

Co-Author Neg.

-liam

I know you all seem to have made your minds up about him being an evil sadistic prick etc but lets just stop and think for a moment.

Isnt it possible they agreed amoungst them to not co-author neg? Maybe they wanted the game to be rated as what it is rather then who it's made by. For example when someone like legendary frog submits something they get a high score just based on their username. Maybe they didnt want free success due to neg being a mod.

Another thing you should consider, who cares? Co-author on NG really isnt relavant. It says negetiveOne co-authored in the flash itself which is all that matters. Only a small minority of people to play the game will be coming in from NG so perhaps they couldnt really give a shit who is author/co-author.

Again remember author is a job in itself and means he must update the file and respond to reviews etc.

I thought i'd just point out these things in case you're all just agreeing to get big e-pen0rs

At 5/4/06 11:33 AM, Ninja-chicken wrote: I thought i'd just point out these things in case you're all just agreeing to get big e-pen0rs

Ok, point taken (that's why I asked him how he'd got Neg to agree to not being co-author) but STFU AND SEND THE GUY A THREATENING E-MAIL OR LEAVE OUR GANG

Do you wanna be in our gang, our gang?

oh there is a gang involved? Sorry didnt catch that. Im in. Here is my email

Fuk u u n00b co-author neg1 or i wil cum on u and beat u up wid ma gang o' hom13s

pwned roflcopter lolerskates

man you guys are right... I need to take my co-author off of alloy and pico's unloaded

I talked this over with Tom..

this is almost as bad as the situation I had with a certain console game.

let's just say.........

we are working on rectfying the situation :D

At 5/4/06 11:33 AM, Ninja-chicken wrote: Isnt it possible they agreed amoungst them to not co-author neg?

No

At 5/4/06 11:43 AM, MindChamber wrote: I talked this over with Tom..

this is almost as bad as the situation I had with a certain console game.

let's just say.........

we are working on rectfying the situation :D

hehehe, you said 'rectify'.......

I think you should credit the guy -Luis-. AS is very hard to do, especially if you don;t have all the art to base the movement on.

i want to be in the gang :(

At 5/4/06 11:33 AM, Ninja-chicken wrote: Isnt it possible they agreed amoungst them to not co-author neg? Maybe they wanted the game to be rated as what it is rather then who it's made by. For example when someone like legendary frog submits something they get a high score just based on their username. Maybe they didnt want free success due to neg being a mod.

Nope! I'm pretty pissed about it :) That was not our agreement at all.
And no one ever votes up a submission just because they're a mod. If anything it's a reverse. And don't you think that even if that was the case, it would be far overshadowed by the instant credit that the sequel to an NG classic gets?

Another thing you should consider, who cares? Co-author on NG really isnt relavant. It says negetiveOne co-authored in the flash itself which is all that matters. Only a small minority of people to play the game will be coming in from NG so perhaps they couldnt really give a shit who is author/co-author.

And it's very relevant. I doubt most people will even notice I had anything to do with the game. And at least me being co-authored would include a CLICKABLE link to my site.
Over 100,000 views within a day or two. That's no minority as far as I'm concerned, and it's only gonna climb.

Again remember author is a job in itself and means he must update the file and respond to reviews etc.

omg... :'(

I thought i'd just point out these things in case you're all just agreeing to get big e-pen0rs

More infamous than agreeing to fit in (which these people aren't), is disagreeing to stand out. Don't pull that E-RENEGADE WHO BRAIKS ALL THE ROOLS angle. It's tired too.

At 5/4/06 11:43 AM, Psycho_Goldfish wrote: man you guys are right... I need to take my co-author off of alloy and pico's unloaded

yea but you're a programmer so your opinion doesn't count

oh ok I thought I'd just point out what could have happened because everyone was picking on him without even getting all the facts straight. Now we know you're pissed off at it then ok sure im on the bandwagon.

You have to be pretty dumb though if you didnt even tell him to co-author you :P

hey shawn... wanna make a game together? I'll do art so at least one of us can get some credit!