At 5/7/06 10:40 PM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote: We have reached a plateau. What are we going to do about this now?
Is there anything we can do?

I suggest taking on mp3's idea.

Lets make JRF 2.2!

uh oh

I think we are at a point where the issue has been raised and we should just take a wait and see approach. I think we have succeeded in the long run. No actionscripter in their right mind would want to work with ryan and i think it seriously tainted the series. Even if ryan never truly comes out and says how much he hates all of us for ruining his series i know he will consider it and will likely never bother coming back to newgrounds now that he has a large mass of people just ready to badmouth his beloved jrf's.

I think now we'll just have to wait and see what happens to that monthly prize if it does end up winning that.

-L

Yeah, I think Ryan will be fucked if Conspiracy wants him to do another game.

shit eating grin

At 5/7/06 10:40 PM, James_Prankard_Inc wrote: We have reached a plateau. What are we going to do about this now?
Is there anything we can do?

we can start building stairs...

At 5/8/06 12:48 AM, Afro_Ninja wrote: Yeah, I think Ryan will be fucked if Conspiracy wants him to do another game.

shit eating grin

Nah, there're always people out there...

At 5/7/06 07:26 PM, Skanky_Andy wrote: lol this thread isnt even about Neg bieng co authored anymore its just about who agrees with who

ZOMG sig steal!

In the real world, not crediting someone for their work is unethical and definitely at the very least plagiarism. In science and as a scientist, if someone contributes significantly to a project by doing parts of the research or experiments, they must be credited in any papers written and submitted to be published (as a co-author). As this entry is submitted as a game (and really even if it wasn't), the fact that there is any interactivity at all because of the actionscripting means that a large potion of the submission is due to NegOne's coding. Thus, he should definitely be credited more than a few passing lines in the credits and a brief mention in the submission comments.

Pretty absurd that NegOne isn't being credited.

At 5/7/06 01:03 PM, liaaaam wrote:

At 5/7/06 10:30 AM, MindChamber wrote: actually thats ryan's little faggot way of getting back at neg for all this, originally the whole statement fit, but he went back in and purposely spaced the sentences.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure it's always being spaced out like that. I could be wrong though.

nah your wrong.
because I remembered who useless it was to have an unclickable link in comments, and when I went back it wasnt visible anymore.

anyway, Luis is right.. Tom working on it, everyone should chill....

Lets make... wait for it...

Johnny mock-it Fingers!!!

poo

At 5/8/06 12:58 PM, ArseOnToast wrote: poo

is that you ryan? I think he's trying to say something

At 5/8/06 12:59 PM, Ninja-chicken wrote:

At 5/8/06 12:58 PM, ArseOnToast wrote: poo

is that you ryan? I think he's trying to say something

Maybe he's trying to tell us a secret. Listen carefully :o

poo, poo, I suck poo

ahhh ok I see he is trying to say he is a shit-sucker. Makes sense when you hear it

At 5/8/06 01:05 PM, Ninja-chicken wrote:

poo, poo, I suck poo

ahhh ok I see he is trying to say he is a shit-sucker. Makes sense when you hear it

Stop spamming this thread or I'll tell you to Luis! >:(

Whatever happens, MSM is rootn' for ya Neg!!!

forum love.

At 5/8/06 05:21 PM, Totty wrote: Whatever happens, MSM is rootn' for ya Neg!!!
forum love.

<3
I should really stop in some time.. I've been a neglectful cousin :[

Interesting review on page 2 by Countanonymous, anyone care to investigate?

http://www.newground..id=310635&page=2

At 5/8/06 05:56 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Interesting review on page 2 by Countanonymous, anyone care to investigate?

God Gawd, Ya'll!

Did anyone explain what co-author on NG means?

At 5/8/06 05:58 PM, Kirk_Cocaine wrote:

At 5/8/06 05:56 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Interesting review on page 2 by Countanonymous, anyone care to investigate?

God Gawd, Ya'll!

Did anyone explain what co-author on NG means?

I know! these fucking idiots, they are being so retarded, coauthorship doesn't mean neg did as much as ryan or the same thing it just means that he helped. Everyone will understand who did what and who deserves the credit for what. Neg still deserves the spot. And that guy is talking out of his ass because he doesn't know what he is arguing about, co-authorship is just the name spot, like, oh, btw, neg coded it check out his site. If this argument hadn't started, I never would have known neg did anything, I would have thought ryan did it, and that is just wrong, neg deserves the spot, it's what he worked for.

Heh, excuse me for coming in late. I haven't really kept up on NG politics for a couple years, though, anyway.

You know, for my Clock Legends game, I credited someone as co-author just for helping me make a couple animations and coding a couple things for a single night, the night before I submitted it to NG. Without him, I wouldn't have released it by the deadline, so I felt that alone was enough for a co-author.

Co-authoring really isn't that big of a deal to NOT give to someone (besides having limited slots) that contributed to its production. It just gives them proper credit and gives their site/skills a little extra exposure. It still doesn't take away from the first guy, at all, since everyone who's interested will check that profile/site first anyway (just the people who are more interested might check the 2nd guy out also).

Not that I ever really cared for Ryan K.'s works much anyway, but I'll definitely never work with this guy now. I have a feeling he's going to have a difficult time finding someone to program his next game for him (especially since he got paid for it and didn't offer any of it to the coder...geez...I realize Neg agreed to do it without pay, but he was more than likely under the impression Ryan wasn't getting paid for it either.)

Neg, my site doesn't get a TON of hits (like 2k impressions a month), but I'd be willing to throw up an affiliate button or banner or something on there for a few months. I don't have one up there for anyone else, so you'd be getting a special exception. Plus I'm getting ready to release some games here pretty soon anyway, so that number might jump significantly pretty soon.

Luis, PG, Mindchamber, its cool to see you guys sticking up for the people on this site when they get shafted. I've always liked you guys before, but I have even more respect for you now.

Oh, neat, I didn't know you posted. Clock Legends was one of the submissions that made me decide to shut up and let clocks do their thing. I appreciate the support, and yeah, PG, MC, luis, AN, etc have all been really cool about everything. I had no idea how tight the NG coding community is. I think Ryan really will have a hard time finding people to work with next time.

you know, i have a feeling that Ryan's not going to do anything, but this issue will rise up again next month when it wins a monthly award, and Tom will be forced to actually notice the issue

meh, ive 0'd it everyday since page 3 or so....

so i dunno if he gets the message. I just hope ppl forget about it by the end of the month

At 5/9/06 06:23 AM, NegativeONE wrote: I think Ryan really will have a hard time finding people to work with next time.

I think he'll have a hard time just posting around, asking questions, getting support and much more

lol. i can just picture him making a thread, looking for AS person for JRF3

im drooling just thinking about it.

At 5/9/06 06:33 AM, SaiNT_SiLEiGHtY wrote: meh, ive 0'd it everyday since page 3 or so....

so i dunno if he gets the message. I just hope ppl forget about it by the end of the month

WHY?!
We want NEG for CO, not the mivie going bad!

fool :(

i found his response to my review pretty funny.

'Author's response:
He is credited in THREE places dude. THREE. Once on the pre-loader, which EVERYONE sees first. At the end credits (where peoples names NORMALLY GO to get credited). And lastly, in the freaking Game Info. But I guess having the programmers name in 3 different places is not good enough.'

He pretends he really doesnt see the value of co-authorship. I think he knows better himself too, but that he is at a point now that he just defends himself with lame arguements to let this thing behind and give the people an impression that it is just a small matter of difference in opinion.
We've done what we can really, if there is anyone who could still do something about it, it is Tom, but i'm sure he prefers to stay neutral in the situation.

At 5/9/06 10:51 AM, AloneInTheDark wrote: i found his response to my review pretty funny.

'Author's response:
He is credited in THREE places dude. THREE. Once on the pre-loader, which EVERYONE sees first. At the end credits (where peoples names NORMALLY GO to get credited). And lastly, in the freaking Game Info. But I guess having the programmers name in 3 different places is not good enough.'

Lol, what an asshole. Unless he's a total dumbass, he must be aware that three crappy credits with no clickable link that nobody's going to pay any attention to are inadequate. It's not like just sticking the guy's name in a few places and forgetting about it.

At some point, Dickhole Ryan wrote:

He is credited in THREE places dude. THREE. Once on the pre-loader, which EVERYONE sees first. At the end credits (where peoples names NORMALLY GO to get credited). And lastly, in the freaking Game Info. But I guess having the programmers name in 3 different places is not good enough.'

I think Ryan says it better than us all... having the programmers name in 3 different places is not good enough!!!

At 5/9/06 06:31 AM, Glaiel_Gamer wrote: you know, i have a feeling that Ryan's not going to do anything

Then he's being a major dick. He could at least put a link to Neg's site on his own site.