... BAHAMUT REPLY CONTINUED (yes, it's that long):

At 8/17/17 05:58 PM, Murray wrote:

Anyway, I've deposited 3 straight days thanks to CD17 and I'm gonna try to keep it going a bit longer than usual this time of year for old time's sake. We'll see how that goes, tho. ;)

Hey, just means we'll have you around for a bit longer this time. :P As for me with the deposits, it seems I've missed yet another one very very recently. I knew I forgot one while I was away the other weekend but now I've slipped once again. Dang, I'm starting to get bad with this now. I won't be surprised if this was a missed one from not getting the deposit done before an 11 hour shift at work and then not remembering to do the daily deed at all when I got back home. Ah well, my rank is still secure for the time being if I stay sharp after this.

... if missing one deposit here and there is still a noteable thing to you, then I'd said you're doing fine. For me, the noteable thing is when I DO deposit. ;)

You know you can use the @ tag, right? It's a good way to wake up some zombies. I'll try it now with @Coop! Failing that, I'll give him a shout on Facebook since he has that now!

No, I didn't know that. Newfangled social-media-integrationy mumbo-jumbo, I tells ya!

I'm thinking top 40 once I reach #50. With getting to the top 50, from the looks of things, I'm still a bit of a way off until I'm even there despite being only a mere two ranks away.

There ya go.

... I know it was probably bad having the same name as a famous sportsman, but man... you gotta realise that compared to what some kids go through because of their names, tennis jokes... it could be far, far worse is all I'm saying. ;)

Well, the tennis jokes were after school when a certain tennis player became more and more of a notable sports figure. At least I can say my very own name has trended numerous times on social media.

... After school? As in... in the afternoons? Or you mean once you graduated and were done with school for good?

Either way, sounds like you're implying there was another reason besides the famous tennis player that your name was a source of misery in earlier childhood. What for, then? No obvious jokes made from your name come to mind, like say with Dick Johnson or whatever.

... huzzah, done! Perhaps I should have separated my two posts into one that was all to Bahammy and one that was all the rest, but I did it (as usual) in chronological order instead... meh!

... ONWARDS!

At 8/28/17 04:17 PM, sumidiotdude wrote: 30,000 experience points

making me feel very sentimental

For when you hit 30,000 b/p and thus ranked up to EGSC? :) Congrats on the 30k exp!

At 9/26/17 06:20 PM, Viper wrote:

At 9/25/17 10:00 PM, NekoMika wrote:

At 9/25/17 11:45 AM, Quisty wrote: Btw - Anytime I make progress to get to 5k posts, they get deleted LOL

In this case, I think its just people asking for their posts or accounts to be deleted that is causing your posts to drop. Happens to me on occasion.

Yeah same here. I know for a fact I hit 16k at least twice. Granted I cut down dramatically on how much I post but yeah.
I kinda stopped caring about how many posts I have after I hit 10k.

Pretty much. Threads being deleted and thus deleting all the posts of various peops within them has long been an issue, but as long as I don't drop below 10,000, I'm fine as well. Just keepin' my pentalist standings in order. ;)

... Speaking of below 10,000... I see LittleWashu is just 14 points shy of 10k at 9986. Wonder if that used to be over 10k or is about to hit 10k for the first time. Either way, congrats in advance:

At 9/27/17 11:26 PM, LittleWashu wrote: Darn it wanted to post it two days ago but my internet was out, but on that day I gained a real life level up.

... and dayum, lotta late September birthday peops around here... you and two others. Happy belated b-day, all!

My wife's 37th (yeah, yeah...) was earlier in September, my mom's 70th is coming up next week, and I turned 40 myself this past June.

Anyway, congrats to all on their landmarks, accomplishments, achievements, what have you... on site... or offline!

HAPPY OCTOBERFEST, ALL!

At 10/1/17 05:11 PM, gfoxcook wrote: Hey all. For any wondering, my wife and I live on like the 4th floor of a condo building, and our car's on the 2nd floor in the garage. Living in Houston long enough, this is--trust me--by design for events such as Hurricane Harvey a month ago. We stayed put for 5-6 days, then ventured out once the street flooding had gone down. All doing well, though my wife has a coworker or two with house damage (those things are on the ground level, never trusted 'em).

Good to hear you are doing ok. And I'm sure glad I live in an area without hurricanes and without earthquakes.

Hope everyone who went through Hurricane Harvey along with us, or Hurricane Irma, or Hurricane Maria, or any of the other storms (and earthquakes in Mexico, ay-yi-yi) is doing well and made it through with minimal fuss possible.

I'm sure people in Puerto Rico would be off way better if that orange guy would step down... but hey, at least he dedicated a golf trophy to Puerto Rico. I'm sure people there will sleep better now.

At 8/17/17 03:08 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 8/17/17 01:42 AM, gfoxcook wrote: ... and me, I'll aim to get a bit up again but maybe not quite into the top 50 again. I was there once, that may have to be enough considering how inactive I am now.

Well, I was in the top 50 for saves for a short while. Maybe I try to get back into it.

Go for it!

I'd have to pick up my pace quite a bit. Nowadays I only vote on 5 UJ entries to deposit my EXP.

Worst thing is that when you are young you tend to think you're sooooo smart... But in reality you are just as stupid as everybody else, lol.

Ehhhh, I'm pretty sure that's most people at any age, man. Getting older doesn't really make you magically smart. I mean, you gain some knowledge, perhaps a bit of wisdom. But we're all fallible humans, young and old alike. ;)

You don't get smarter, but a lot wiser. Now you at least KNOW you are just as stupid as everyone else. Something most young people fail to realize. ;)

Would make a "Congrats to" list but it's been way too many pages

Anyway...

23,000 SAVES

With that vote, you now have 16,000 experience points.

I also reached 100 audio review responses.

I also have more on their way here very shortly. :)

Fro has decided to start making lists again while saying congrats to:

@ADR3-N: Level 24, 11 years on NG
@Jolly: Top 300 in experience
@Sispri: 10 years on NG
@1337: Level 59
@KieranMaster10: 1337 B/P, Level 29
@BoxerBraydog: Police Officer
@NekoMika: 500 Art Review Responses, 1,200 Art Reviews, Level 50
@Corky52 and Me: Level 29 IRL
@GUTHRIE: Brig. General
@LittleWashu: Leveled up IRL
@Haggard: 8,888 posts
@darknessdweller: 12 years on NG
@Decky: 23,000 Saves

Fro's Reward of best Statwhore:

@NekoMika

At 10/2/17 04:03 PM, Decky wrote: Would make a "Congrats to" list but it's been way too many pages

I've decided to start making lists again. Feel free to join with me. I don't think I'll make them daily, but once a week would be nice.

At 9/15/17 01:26 AM, Sispri wrote: 10 years here

wow it's a miracle i remembered my password.. this place has changed so much

are any of the old guard still around? i hope you've all been well

It was good hearing from you old friend. Happy we could reconnect on social media.

At 9/8/17 05:21 AM, ADR3-N wrote:

On a more somber note, one of my friends committed suicide not long ago, which inspired said song in the first place. If you're the praying type, please pray for her friends and family, some of which are also dealing with the aftermath of Harvey or preparing to get slammed by Irma.

I'm terribly sorry to hear about this.

3100 posts. Do we still do hundreds? Lol.

Not really something super special also, but the little tribute I did for @Troisnyx was FP'ed. I didn't really think it was that great, and ended up accidentally putting the cab before the head on those guitars. >.>

• 

  Her Hope ft. Troisnyx (Can You See The Clouds Divide)

  by ADR3-N

  Can You See The Clouds Divide plus a little metal and sentence mixing.

  Song

  Heavy Metal

  5,936 Views

  PLAY

Aaaand don't break the quoooote, insert this heeeere.

At 10/3/17 10:26 AM, Fro wrote: With that vote, you now have 16,000 experience points.

I also reached 100 audio review responses.

Congrats on your first 100 responses. It's always great when someone appreciates your critique enough to gab back. One of the reasons I try to respond to reviews.

I've decided to start making lists again. Feel free to join with me. I don't think I'll make them daily, but once a week would be nice.

I might come back every once in a while and drop a list when I'm free. Nice touch with the Fro award. The LuL lounge lacked for personality for a bit. Kinda a flashback to the old days.

At 9/8/17 05:21 AM, ADR3-N wrote: On a more somber note, one of my friends committed suicide not long ago, which inspired said song in the first place. If you're the praying type, please pray for her friends and family, some of which are also dealing with the aftermath of Harvey or preparing to get slammed by Irma.

I'm terribly sorry to hear about this.

Yeah. I'm still pretty torn up about the loss. A lot of us are. One of those things where you wish you'd gotten in touch just a little sooner, and maybe they'd still be around. Ruth was one of those people who was always smiling. She never let on that she was depressed. Perhaps that has more to do with what happened than any circumstance surrounding. Once you get to that point, anything can push you over the edge. And besides the loss, she was one of the few people who was genuinely nice in my circle back in the day. It's just a shame.

And you know how it is when someone commits suicide. There will be those who don't know what they're talking about saying that they're cowards, and those who don't know the scriptures they're claiming to believe in saying they're going to bust hell wide open, as if that kind of ideology is going to save anyone.

While I'm here though, my immediate family was lucky enough not to be anywhere near Irma, although pretty much all my favorite places got hammered. I'm also glad to see you're okay. When I saw the news yesterday, my first thought was hoping you were nowhere near that concert.

@KieranMaster10: 1337 B/P, Level 29

I think you meant level 21

A few months late, but 11 years!

My first 1,000 EXP. Wooh.

My achievement:

Total Stats: 66666 (= exp + b/p + posts + reviews + medals)

Fro is having a slow day while saying Congrats to:
@OneThousandMeeps: 1,000 EXP
@idiot-buster: 11 Years on NG
@KieranMaster10: Level 21

At 10/3/17 10:33 AM, BoxerBraydog wrote: That's a very in depth list you got there, @Fro. How frequently do you think you'll be doing them?

I will either do them as I make an achievement or once a week. Basically if I level up on something I'll just go ahead and make the list while I'm posting my level up/achievement. If I don't have anything that week I'll just do it on the end of the week.

Or something like that.

I'm very interested in winning "Fro's award for biggest stat whore" lol.

I have no rhythm or rhyme. You'll probably see me do that again, but only when I feels like its.

Plus, we wouldn't want to upset @Statwhore

At 10/4/17 02:23 PM, idiot-buster wrote: A few months late, but 11 years!

Hey, it's been a long time!

At 10/3/17 11:57 AM, KieranMaster10 wrote:

@KieranMaster10: 1337 B/P, Level 29

I think you meant level 21

OOPS

There were a lot of 9's in and around that list. Including my 29th birthday.

At 10/3/17 11:21 AM, ADR3-N wrote: 3100 posts. Do we still do hundreds? Lol.

I personally don't count it. It's a whatever type thing though. I do count the patterns though for some odd reason. 3,333 posts, 1,234, etc...

Once you get up to the 1,000s in something usually I count is every 1,000.

Not really something super special also, but the little tribute I did for @Troisnyx was FP'ed. I didn't really think it was that great, and ended up accidentally putting the cab before the head on those guitars. >.>
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/768054
Aaaand don't break the quoooote, insert this heeeere.

Heavy metal? I'll have to give it a listen some day soon.

At 10/3/17 10:26 AM, Fro wrote: With that vote, you now have 16,000 experience points.

I also reached 100 audio review responses.

Congrats on your first 100 responses. It's always great when someone appreciates your critique enough to gab back. One of the reasons I try to respond to reviews.

Bleh, I messed up on my own achievement. I have a lot of audio review responses. I meant to say that I got my first 100 art review responses.

So if you respond back to reviews? You may get some from newgrounds reviewer #33.

I've decided to start making lists again. Feel free to join with me. I don't think I'll make them daily, but once a week would be nice.

I might come back every once in a while and drop a list when I'm free. Nice touch with the Fro award. The LuL lounge lacked for personality for a bit. Kinda a flashback to the old days.

I'm all about personality. I mean, I have the looks and smarts too, but my personality is probably my best feature.

Friends suicide

I've never experienced a friend who's committed suicide. I've lost people to car accidents and overdoses, but nobody that I was extremely close with. I can't imagine the feeling of losing somebody close like that. I mean I guess I can.. I've lost family unexpectedly. I'm sure it's somewhat similar.

At 10/4/17 06:51 PM, Fro wrote:

At 10/4/17 02:23 PM, idiot-buster wrote: A few months late, but 11 years!

Hey, it's been a long time!

It has been! I looked and the last post I had was my 10-year post! That's what happens when you grow up and grad school takes over your life. What's been going on with you Corkey52?

My achievements:
Top 5000 in EXP.
11 years on NG.
Conveniently forgetting about both because I've been working on unpaid commissions.

Grats to:
@KieranMaster10, Level 21. Or 29. Everyone knows I'm allergic to math. Shrug.
@Fro, 66666 total stats. RL LVL 29, if I read correctly. :P
@idiot-buster, 11 years on NG. Twinsies!
@OneThousandMeeps, 1K EXP. Is that one meep per EXP?

Plus, we wouldn't want to upset @Statwhore

Lulz.

I personally don't count it. It's a whatever type thing though. I do count the patterns though for some odd reason. 3,333 posts, 1,234, etc...

Ah. I was just really excited considering I lost a good 300 posts last month when someone deleted their account. :( Good news is, there was other stuff I forgot I'd actually achieved LOL.

Heavy metal? I'll have to give it a listen some day soon.

Sweet. Metal was the first genre I actually went into as a fledgeling on NG. These days since I scored Kontakt and some good synths, I've been doing commissions, covers, remixes, and originals in that genre. Getting a little more comfortable with it.

Bleh, I messed up on my own achievement. I have a lot of audio review responses. I meant to say that I got my first 100 art review responses.

Ah, same deal. That's even more noteworthy actually. A lot of people don't respond to art reviews!

So if you respond back to reviews? You may get some from newgrounds reviewer #33.

Sure do, unless it's spammy, and even then, usually I'll just say thanks. Reviews are nice. I also return reviews. :P

Also, grats on being in the top 50, on top of that. #53 sitting right here as of @Auz's last update. Speaking of, man needs a medal. Such a nice list. <3

I'm all about personality. I mean, I have the looks and smarts too, but my personality is probably my best feature.

I will say, out of the two of us, you do have the nicer beard. I mean, mine was drawn on by an art major with free makeup, but you can't beat natural. :P

I've never experienced a friend who's committed suicide. I've lost people to car accidents and overdoses, but nobody that I was extremely close with. I can't imagine the feeling of losing somebody close like that. I mean I guess I can.. I've lost family unexpectedly. I'm sure it's somewhat similar.

It is. Sort of. I can't explain how I really feel about it. I was confused about why I was grieving as hard as I was. It brings tears to my eyes even now, talking about it. I just had to spend a couple days in prayer. I wasn't even really that close to Ruth, or, well, I didn't know how much she meant to me until she was gone. I wished I had reached out and talked to her that one last time, but I didn't know if it was my place. After all, I was just the one kid that crushed on her a little in school. She was pretty in that girl next door kind of way, one of those girls you'd think was too pure for the world if you ever talked to her. I was almost afraid to sometimes because, well, I was quite a dark personality back in school. She was always genuinely fun to be around.

I still have .wav files somewhere of recorded band practice where you can hear her and the clarinets giggling up front. Never deleted them because it always made me smile, looking back on those days, stuff recorded on the same mp3 player I used to record some of my earliest music, lol. If I find them again, I may just make a podcast memorial.

At 10/5/17 09:52 PM, idiot-buster wrote: It has been! I looked and the last post I had was my 10-year post!

Wait a minute, it's you! I haven't seen you in ages. Bless the One True and the Amen, it's been a while!

Fro's Ultimate Mega Upgrades:

2,222 Total Reviews

Thanks for voting, Fro! Your experience has been automatically deposited!
With that vote, you now have 16,030 experience points. You need 0 more to get to Level 39. The next Grounds Gold day begins in 13 hours, 42 minutes, and 56 seconds.

Look at that awesome chainsaw! I always wanted it to go along with my evil/red aura!

Thankful that it's Friday while saying Congrats to:
@ADR3-N: Top 5,000 in EXP, 11 Years on Negrounds

Top food craving:
@Fro: Beer and wings

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At 10/5/17 09:52 PM, idiot-buster wrote:

It has been! I looked and the last post I had was my 10-year post! That's what happens when you grow up and grad school takes over your life. What's been going on with you Corkey52?

Neato, what are you studying? My spouse is going to grad school now and just finished her first week of school.

I remember you worked in a retail store before. I forget it's name. The one with the smelly perfume that would make my face itch when I walked by? The one that was really dark inside and nobody could see anything? That one right?

At 10/6/17 03:13 AM, ADR3-N wrote:

@Fro, 66666 total stats. RL LVL 29, if I read correctly. :P

I can't remember. Old age is getting to me.

@OneThousandMeeps, 1K EXP. Is that one meep per EXP?

Lulz

Plus, we wouldn't want to upset @Statwhore

Lulz.

My friend Statwhore... we use to spam the portal together. Because of you I have Turd Award on my profile. I only need a 1st place and a reviewers choice and I have at least one of each!

Ah. I was just really excited considering I lost a good 300 posts last month when someone deleted their account. :( Good news is, there was other stuff I forgot I'd actually achieved LOL.

I think @Murray deleted a bunch of flashes before and I lost a ton of reviews... and he had responded to each. I think that was literally the time that I stopped reviewing for awhile because it was so devastating.

Sweet. Metal was the first genre I actually went into as a fledgeling on NG. These days since I scored Kontakt and some good synths, I've been doing commissions, covers, remixes, and originals in that genre. Getting a little more comfortable with it.

I actually don't like music that much. The only time I ever listened to it was when I was working out. Naturally it curved my appetite for Metal, but I'll go weeks and months without listening to anything for pleasure. I review some on here every now and then, but that's about it.

Ah, same deal. That's even more noteworthy actually. A lot of people don't respond to art reviews!

I go to the art forum, find a newer user who's recently posted a thread, and send them a PM. I agree to review the entirety of their art work for responses in return. 50% of the time they respond to 50% of them.

Sure do, unless it's spammy, and even then, usually I'll just say thanks. Reviews are nice. I also return reviews. :P

Well my reviews are pretty spammy...

I'll always respond to reviews as well. Just stay away from my "art" and "audio". I'll always respond to the movies and games though.

I'm almost done with Pyroscape 4. I'll hit you up when it comes out.

Also, grats on being in the top 50, on top of that. #53 sitting right here as of @Auz's last update. Speaking of, man needs a medal. Such a nice list. <3

Nice, the top 50 will be a nice milestone.

I will say, out of the two of us, you do have the nicer beard. I mean, mine was drawn on by an art major with free makeup, but you can't beat natural. :P

Well... very true... but that being said my beard takes about 7 months to become actual beard. I kind of like the way it looks, she hates it, I hate the way it feels. I've been shaving monthly now.. it's not worth the itchy face. Plus I live in California. If I tan while my beard is thick I have this weird tan line right down my face.

I still have .wav files somewhere of recorded band practice where you can hear her and the clarinets giggling up front. Never deleted them because it always made me smile, looking back on those days, stuff recorded on the same mp3 player I used to record some of my earliest music, lol. If I find them again, I may just make a podcast memorial.

That was fucking sad.

At 10/5/17 09:52 PM, idiot-buster wrote: It has been! I looked and the last post I had was my 10-year post!

Wait a minute, it's you! I haven't seen you in ages. Bless the One True and the Amen, it's been a while!

Get on the list making. Make the Wi/Ht? level up! Lounge great again.

I just threw up a little saying that....

At 8/15/17 08:18 PM, gfoxcook wrote: ... mostly playing EVE Online, TBH. It's a life-sucker!

You've really been digging through this thread huh! XD Been a while since I wondered... good to know! Are ye back for good now? A time? All time?

Yeah, generally I'd say don't assume disappeared-off-the-face-of-yer-internet-borders peops are dead unless A) a family member posts on their account saying they're dead, B) you knew they had a terminal illness, or C) they were pretty old and you haven't heard from 'em or heard anything about 'em for decades (not just years).

Indeed.

That said, I did just turn 40 in June, so... time does go on by, doesn't it.

Happy belated Birthday man! You're still young!

egad is the posting rate slow nowdays or are tons of posts just being deleted left and right, eh?

Yupp. For reasons unfathomable people just seem to keep purging their posts; attempting to start fresh, though what's posted is already posted. :/ So much unnecessary statual sacrifice!

Also 36,000 EXP

Level 58

500 posts!

83,000 Saves

I'm Level 50.

I just leveled up to Level 39!

Level 52

Fro is trying to survive Friday at work pretending his entire state isn't on fire around him while saying Congrats To:

@Cyberdevil: 36,000 EXP, Level 58, 83,000 Saves, The Kitchen Sink, A billion gazillion uber NG points
@OneThousandMeeps: 500 posts
@Alberto66: Level 50
@Nimhster2: Level 39
@ZJ Level 52 (My old football number before I got transformed into a running back)

My kind of achievement:

74,000.... I mean 75,000... I mean 76,000, I mean 77,000... wait what? Oh shoot, 76,990 medal points....

I was bored one night, went from 73,000 to almost 77,000 medal points. So...

76,000 Medal Points

At 10/13/17 10:24 AM, Fro wrote: Fro is trying to survive Friday at work pretending his entire state isn't on fire around him while saying Congrats To:

Man I didn't know there was a wildfire(s) over there till now! Looks fierce. Nearby?

@Cyberdevil: 36,000 EXP, Level 58, 83,000 Saves, The Kitchen Sink, A billion gazillion uber NG points

XD Thanks!

Ca 3,990 medal points in a night

And Congrats on that! Very not bad at all for just the leftover part of a day's worth of work.

At 10/10/17 05:51 AM, ZJ wrote: Level 52

Congrats and entertaining nostalgia! XD

At 10/9/17 03:56 PM, Alberto66 wrote: I'm Level 50.

Congrats!

I'm Sup. Comandor. Rank 26.

At 10/13/17 06:12 PM, BoxerBraydog wrote: I FINALLY got to a bronze whistle status.

congrats try to get to diety if you can

50k Medal points.

Fro writes about his Uber Driving experience while saying Congrats to:

@BoxerBraydog: Bronze Whistle
@Alberto66: Sup. Comandor, Rank 26 (Ranked in what I'm actually not quite sure and too tired to check.)
@OneThousandMeeps: 50,000 Medal Points

Fro's Whistle Blower Award goes to:
@BoxerBraydog

Good job you tattle tail.

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I should have a level up in the near future. Maybe even by tomorrow? Who knows... I've been really busy with work, and then work after work, and then being a dad and a partner.

At 10/13/17 01:04 PM, Cyberdevil wrote:

At 10/13/17 10:24 AM, Fro wrote: Fro is trying to survive Friday at work pretending his entire state isn't on fire around him while saying Congrats To:

Man I didn't know there was a wildfire(s) over there till now! Looks fierce. Nearby?

They got within 10 miles. They've really died down now and tonight it's going to rain so that should finish them off. It's odd that I was in the production of Pyroscape 4... a game where people escape from different forms of fire... if it got closer I planned on getting live shots for it.

At 10/13/17 06:27 PM, KieranMaster10 wrote:

At 10/13/17 06:12 PM, BoxerBraydog wrote: I FINALLY got to a bronze whistle status.

congrats try to get to diety if you can

Who do you think you are? Why don't YOU go and get a shiny whistle mister?

congrats try to get to diety if you can

Who do you think you are? Why don't YOU go and get a shiny whistle mister?

i dont think i can anymore my whistle is forever broken

At 10/19/17 04:26 PM, OneThousandMeeps wrote: 50k Medal points.

Massive, man! Congrats!

At 10/13/17 06:26 PM, Alberto66 wrote: I'm Sup. Comandor. Rank 26.

Seems like that was a while ago now, but Congrats again! ;)

At 10/19/17 11:39 PM, Fro wrote: Fro writes about his Uber Driving experience while saying Congrats to:

Heading off to read about said uber driving experience whilst responding on...

They got within 10 miles. They've really died down now and tonight it's going to rain so that should finish them off. It's odd that I was in the production of Pyroscape 4... a game where people escape from different forms of fire... if it got closer I planned on getting live shots for it.

...that wildfire! Sounds uncomfortably close! Must've seen; smelled the smoke for plenty of miles away too? Good to hear it's dying down and about to be vanquished by the watery torment soon!

#6660 EXP Rank

At 10/22/17 12:19 PM, tyler2513 wrote: I'm now a level 34! Also I shaved my pubes this morning!

That's a rookie start, I shave mine almost everyday.

At 10/22/17 02:44 PM, Bmwd wrote:

At 10/22/17 12:19 PM, tyler2513 wrote: I'm now a level 34! Also I shaved my pubes this morning!

That's a rookie start, I shave mine almost everyday.

it takes more than a day to start growing back long enough to be worth shaving, though.