At 8/2/09 02:45 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote: I'm curious... do you guys agree with Smogon's view that Garchomp be classed as Uber? Personally, I don't have a huge problem with it unless it's wielding a Choice Scarf. Having been at the receiving end of that combo before and coming off worse, I know it has some serious power behind it.

I'm really wondering whether or not I should consider Garchomp an uber. I know I once said he should sit comfortably in OU, but I've been thinking: He does have devastating power behind him, he does have access to two great STAB moves, he can definitely take a hit as long as it isn't super effective, and Nintendo gave Garchomp a base 102 speed just to mess with our heads. I do agree now that a scarfed Garchomp can really do damage in ubers, but to keep him in OU, should we ban choice scarf on Garchomp like sould dew on lati@s? Without a choice scarf, Garchomp can basically be countered by anything carrying an ice move that outspeeds it, scarfed or not. I would imagine most serious teams have something along those lines. But if choice scarf is banned on Garchomp, then any other OU dragon can put on a choice scarf and wreak havoc.

Currently I'm undecided about Garchomp's standing in ubers but I hope this gives a little insight on the matter.

At 8/4/09 01:33 AM, Fox wrote: I'm really wondering whether or not I should consider Garchomp an uber. I know I once said he should sit comfortably in OU, but I've been thinking: He does have devastating power behind him, he does have access to two great STAB moves, he can definitely take a hit as long as it isn't super effective, and Nintendo gave Garchomp a base 102 speed just to mess with our heads. I do agree now that a scarfed Garchomp can really do damage in ubers, but to keep him in OU, should we ban choice scarf on Garchomp like sould dew on lati@s? Without a choice scarf, Garchomp can basically be countered by anything carrying an ice move that outspeeds it, scarfed or not. I would imagine most serious teams have something along those lines. But if choice scarf is banned on Garchomp, then any other OU dragon can put on a choice scarf and wreak havoc.

Currently I'm undecided about Garchomp's standing in ubers but I hope this gives a little insight on the matter.

Choice Scarf Outrage in OU as a method of sweeping would just invite Skarmory to take the attacks, and setup with Spikes, Roost when necessary, then Whirlwind him away. Choice Scarf means he has a safe switch in. Life Orb makes switching into him incredibly difficult. Of course, taking Garchomp into a faster Pokemon with a hard hitting Ice attack, means bye bye Garchomp, but that doesn't mean he has to switch in, unless he's the last Pokemon on the team, but he should never be used as the last. Don't forget he has a usable Special Attack and can use Flamethrower to beat anything that walls him otherwise.

Guys, I thought I might just remind you that for those of you who don't have a Darkrai yet, you can get a Member card over wifi to get to New Moon Island where you can catch it.

And I figured out how to get my wifi working. I have to uninstall and reinstall the USB Wifi connector software... every time. So I'll only be doing this for big events over wifi...

At 8/4/09 07:21 AM, Machop90 wrote: pfft... I'll get the Drakrai just for the sake of having it. Usually though, legendaries aren't worth the Ultra Balls. Also, is the member card just for Platinum, or can you get it for Diamond/Pearl? (not that I need it for my Diamond, I already have like, two.)

I think it's just for Platinum. I'm planning on ransoming mine off to a friend who doesn't have wifi. >:)

Probably Totodile; kinda' partial to Feraligatr.

At 8/3/09 11:49 AM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote: Actually, scrap that, i choose whichever starter is best for taking down that fucking miltank in the third or fourth gym or so.

Third, and yeah, definitely a pain-in-the-ass in that stage of the game. >_<

Miltank has to be one of the most underrated Pokemon out there - esp. with it now having access to the Scrappy ability.

At 8/4/09 05:30 PM, Aci6 wrote: Actually I meant if a Pokemon comes out and could use either of those two moves on Aggron then you'd switch to a Flying type and take minimal Damage. Moltres comes in handy then :D

But like vcg said, if you're facing an Electivire, or something similar, you're gonna be screwed either way...

That mean's you'll find yourself switching out your Aggron more than you would even use him. Almost all physical attacking Pokemon have access to a Ground or Fighting type move, and use it. Aggron can't take special hits as well. His slow speed does not help him survive either.

If I would choose. I'd pick Cyndaquil, since Typhlosion kicks ass.
But I'm not so sure how to beat that stink'in Miltank...

At 8/3/09 11:25 AM, Machop90 wrote:

What starter will everybody be getting when Heart Gold/ Soul Silver comes out? I'm going with Chikorita, cause I've been thinking that Fire Types pwn lately.

I think you mean Cyndaquil.

At 8/5/09 04:54 AM, RedQuito wrote: If I would choose. I'd pick Cyndaquil, since Typhlosion kicks ass.
But I'm not so sure how to beat that stink'in Miltank...

At 8/3/09 11:25 AM, Machop90 wrote:

What starter will everybody be getting when Heart Gold/ Soul Silver comes out? I'm going with Chikorita, cause I've been thinking that Fire Types pwn lately.

I think you mean Cyndaquil.

Also Charmander is water type...

Nidoking does knows surf though...

What will happen if attract works on same gender?

At 8/5/09 10:37 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Also Charmander is water type...

Nidoking does knows surf though...

What will happen if attract works on same gender?

Lolwut?

Anyway, I managed to nab the Silver Print for all the Battle facilities yesterday night. So now for the Coloured ones...

I just know that the Factory, Castle and Hall are gonna be tonnes of fun. >_<

At 8/5/09 10:37 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote: What will happen if attract works on same gender?

I don't know....mayby some HAWT SKITTY ON WAILORD ACTION!

I think that the spot of "my favorite Pokemon" has now been given to Shuckle. I'm sure all of you know about its colossal Defenses, allowing it to stand up to a crapload of attacks, but I just found out about the massive damage a Shuckle can do. You're probably wondering, "How the hell can a Pokemon with one of the crappiest Attack ratings in the entire game possibly cause any damage?" Well...

"Shuckle has the highest Defense and Special Defense stats of any Pokémon, with a max of 614 in them with beneficial natures (which are also the highest non-HP stats in existence)." This is already known. But, "After using Power Trick, Shuckle has the highest Attack of any Pokémon with a max of 614 in it with beneficial natures (To compare, Deoxys's Attack form's maximum Attack stat is 504)." And then, you can raise that even more if you Skill Swap Pure Power or Huge Power, which can give it a maximum Attack stat of 1228.

Under these circumstances (and assuming that the above has already been done), "a level 100 Shuckle can potentially deal the most damage in one single attack through the use of numerous stat boosters, by using Helping Hand, Metronome held item, and the Defense Curl/Rollout combo. On the 5th impact of Rollout, if used against a level 1 Ledyba or Yanma that have been hit with negative Defense modifiers (such as Screech), it can deal over 315,000,000 damage." If you're thinking it's useless seeing as no one uses a Ledyba/Yanma in their team, "The fifth hit of the Rollout combo would be enough to knock out 490196 Blisseys."

If you're wondering what some of the terms above are, Power Trick is a move that switches the user's Attack and Defense stats. Skill Swap is a move that switches the Abilities of two Pokemon. Huge Power and Pure Power are Abilities that doubles the user's Attack stat (although Huge Power's multiplier is reduced to 1.5x when Skill Swap is used, making Pure Power the better choice). Helping Hand is a move used only in Double Battles that increases the power of the partner's move by 1.5x. The Metronome is a held item that raises the power of a move by 10% if it is used repeatedly, capping at 20 repeated uses (not sure of the exact multiplier). Finally, the Defense Curl/Rollout combo is when Defense Curl is used, followed by Rollout the turn after, which doubles Rollout's power.

So yeah, Shuckle = Rape. Also, I'm well aware the scenario listed above is practically impossible. I just thought it'd be a nice little chunk of information.

Info gotten from Bulbapedia before you think I actually went and researched ALL of this on my own.

Damn, Meditite/Medicham can't learn Skill Swap.............I was hoping that situation could be tested with just the two.

At 8/5/09 11:49 PM, mrbobbyjoe wrote: So yeah, Shuckle = Rape.

I've always wanted to test a scenario similar to this, but it's just not really feasible. I'm curious though - if you baton passed a defence-boosting move to Shuckle, and then it used Power Trick, does that double its Attack, or does the boost remain with defence?

Anyway, the only way I could really see the whole Power Trick scenario working spectacularly well is basically in a Double Battle, with some really bulky Pokemon continuously using Follow Me, while Shuckle sets up this stuff (besides the Ability Boost of course).

At 8/7/09 11:05 PM, ParadoxVoid wrote: I've always wanted to test a scenario similar to this, but it's just not really feasible. I'm curious though - if you baton passed a defence-boosting move to Shuckle, and then it used Power Trick, does that double its Attack, or does the boost remain with defence?

It'd probably transfer over to Attack, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, the only way I could really see the whole Power Trick scenario working spectacularly well is basically in a Double Battle, with some really bulky Pokemon continuously using Follow Me, while Shuckle sets up this stuff (besides the Ability Boost of course).

Or have your friend help you set it up. I don't think even 5 bulky Follow Me Pokemon can live long enough for Shuckle to set up fully, since it has to use Rollout 20 times for the Metronome boost to be at its maximum.

On an unrelated note, I got the Silver Print for the Battle Castle, hooray. Aiming for the other 4, even though I probably won't be getting the Factory one. I get the worst luck in there...

At 8/8/09 04:36 PM, mrbobbyjoe wrote: On an unrelated note, I got the Silver Print for the Battle Castle, hooray. Aiming for the other 4, even though I probably won't be getting the Factory one. I get the worst luck in there...

Well,that makes two of us...

Anyway I've been leveling up my team and I would like to have your opinions about
my team so far: (*Asterisk means soon to be)

Torterra Lvl.63 Yache Berry
Iron Tail
Earthquake
Frenzy Plant
SuperPower/Stone Edge*

Floatzel Lvl.63 Wacan Berry
Aqua Tail*
Brick Break/Razor Wind*
Ice Beam
Crunch

Toxicroak Lvl.62 Muscle Band*
Poison Jab
Brick Break
Ice Punch/Sucker Punch
Stone Edge/Sucker Punch

Which move do you guys think I should make it forget for Sucker Punch?

Togekiss Lvl.62 Life Orb
Shock Wave
Air Slash
Extreme Speed
Aura Sphere

Houndoom Lvl.62 Razor Fang
Shadow Ball
Heat Wave
Dark Pulse
Thunder Fang

Magnezone Lvl.62 Focus Sash*
Mirror Coat
Zap Cannon/Thunder
Magnet Rise/Lock On
Magnet Bomb/Flash Cannon

Does anyone have a Flash Cannon TM?
It's for my Magnezone.

At 8/8/09 08:55 PM, RedQuito wrote: Floatzel Lvl.63 Wacan Berry
Aqua Tail*
Brick Break/Razor Wind*
Ice Beam
Crunch

This is the biggest issue with your team that I can see. There are numerous smaller problems, but they're not as large. Anyway, DON'T teach it Razor Wind. Razor Wind is a shit move, you might as well use Scratch twice. Strength, or better yet, Return, is a much better choice if you want a Normal type move. (Razor Wind is still, normal, right? The last time I came across it was in the RBY generation).

Also use Waterfall and Ice Punch.
And for Magnezone, don't waste two moves on Lock On+Zap Canon. Two Thunderbolts would out damage it.

At 8/8/09 08:55 PM, RedQuito wrote: Well,that makes two of us...

Actually that makes three of us.

At 8/9/09 12:31 AM, Fox wrote: Actually that makes three of us.

It seems I'm the only one not incredibly pissed off with it. I managed to get the Silver Print on my 2nd attempt through. I have a feeling the coloured print will be a different story however...

So my Floatzel's final moveset is :

Floatzel Lvl.63 Wacan Berry
Waterfall
Brick Break
Ice Punch
Crunch

Oh and about my Toxicroak problem, which move should I make it forget for Sucker Punch?
Stone Edge or Ice Punch?

At 8/9/09 06:28 AM, RedQuito wrote: Oh and about my Toxicroak problem, which move should I make it forget for Sucker Punch?
Stone Edge or Ice Punch?

I'd probably get rid of Stone Edge. Ice Punch covers flying types, as well as Ground types which you might have an issue with. Stone Edge covers Flyers, ice and Bug types, which are basically already covered by Ice Punch.

At 8/9/09 12:58 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote: It seems I'm the only one not incredibly pissed off with it. I managed to get the Silver Print on my 2nd attempt through. I have a feeling the coloured print will be a different story however...

I had to retry the damn place 4 times before winning even one streak, the others I got massacred during the first match by bad matchups. Even then, it continuously threw Attract, Confusion, Paralysis, etc. at me until the 7 battles were over. Except on the last round I did get a flinch, critical, and Freeze all in a row, which was fun I guess. I'll be lucky enough to get another streak down, let alone the print.

...odd thing is, the Battle Pike in Emerald was my best facility. Oh the irony.

At 8/10/09 09:01 AM, Aci6 wrote: So wrong, I thought I was 'attacking' someone else. Disregard PV :'(

;_;

You're breaking my heart man...

To bring this club back to its original purpose:
Is anyone planning to import Pokémon HeartGold or SoulSilver besides me?

At 8/10/09 09:39 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: To bring this club back to its original purpose:
Is anyone planning to import Pokémon HeartGold or SoulSilver besides me?

Nah, I'm gonna just wait for an English release, since I can't read Japanese, and it would just make it an ordeal if I had to go to a dictionary of some sort to try and decipher it. I might import the US version once it's released, not sure.

Language barrier will stop me importing the japanese version, but I'll probably import the US version.

if I don't just dl it.

At 8/10/09 09:39 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: To bring this club back to its original purpose:
Is anyone planning to import Pokémon HeartGold or SoulSilver besides me?

The language barrier seems to be the common problem here, but price would also be an issue for me. When I was looking around online for imported copies of Platinum, prices went as high as 90 dollars for a copy. After considering supply and demand, and the massive anticipation for Heartgold/Soulsilver, we may see the cost for imports going well into the triple digits.

Ok, I've got an important question for ya' guys: EVENTUALLY, I'll get my hands on DS & one of the three 4th-gen games (Platinum, I guess); my question is, should I get an old DS, or the DSi? I say this because I have Ruby & LeafGreen, but seeing that HGSS will most likely give me all the Pokemon I need from both aforementioned games (there'll probably be some way to get the Hoenn starters in-game like with Emerald with the Johto ones, methinks), and all of the other benefits of having a DSi, I should just go ahead & spend the extra cash, right?

Man that's it I ragequit the Battle Tower. 3 vs 3 is stupid. Charizard uses Sunny Day. Tyranitar misses Stone Edge. Charizard uses Solarbeam... It's Super Effective...OMFG WTF CRITICAL HIT!!?. From there on Charizard w/White Herb uses Overheat and kills the others. Then I lose my streak. If starting over didn't mean fighting a bunch of Bidoofs and Pidgeys all over again, I wouldn't be so mad.
Stone Edge missing followed by a critical hit has a 1.25% chance of happening. Fukking Hax.