At 12/6/04 08:14 PM, Anti-Portal wrote: Wade you really opened the light for me,now i understand how hard flash artists work on their movies (some of them) im just so used to idiots making bullshit accounts on 1,000s of accounts just to make blam points for their REAL accounts but ill make sure to watch all of the movies from now on,unless its a bullshit stick flash ^_^ thanx again wade for showing the good and the truth to me

We'll keep making the site better and eventually we'll be cracking down on the people making mass acounts to submit crap entries, or whatever, and track them back to their main account and terminate it as well.

Just a question, Wade.
How can you catch ppl who don't watch the movies under judgment if they can only vote when its loaded?

At 12/6/04 08:16 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Gooie doesn't respond well to criticism }8-}

That made my day, wade.

So you are saying -Gooie- is a hypocrite? He sure enjoys being critical of me and others, so I think he should tolerate some in return. :)

At 12/6/04 08:19 PM, Bob_the_Dark_One wrote: Just a question, Wade.
How can you catch ppl who don't watch the movies under judgment if they can only vote when its loaded?

Because they can vote as soon as the content window is opened and don't have to wait for it to fully load.

At 12/6/04 08:23 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 12/6/04 08:19 PM, Bob_the_Dark_One wrote: Just a question, Wade.
How can you catch ppl who don't watch the movies under judgment if they can only vote when its loaded?

Because they can vote as soon as the content window is opened and don't have to wait for it to fully load.

There was something in place so that the movie was required to FULLY load prior to being able to vote, however, it was removed because of incompatability

(I believe this was mentioned before, but im not sure)

But dont you have to see the movie before you can vote? The voting bar wont appear until you actually click "Watch the Movie."

And how are you going to do this to the people who dont go to the bbs. Yes, of course this is on the front page, but id bet that there are quite a few people who just instantly go onto the portal without reading. Im just not sure how many people acually read the front page.

Of course the answer is probly simple but id just like to know what you would plan to do.

At 12/6/04 08:26 PM, n0t0 wrote: But dont you have to see the movie before you can vote? The voting bar wont appear until you actually click "Watch the Movie."

user's will click "Watch this Movie" then close the window. After they, they will vote based on specific things they look for.

Including;

Co-Authors, Previous submissions, batting average, etc.

At 12/6/04 08:27 PM, Soul_Chamber wrote: And how are you going to do this to the people who dont go to the bbs. Yes, of course this is on the front page, but id bet that there are quite a few people who just instantly go onto the portal without reading. Im just not sure how many people acually read the front page.

Of course the answer is probly simple but id just like to know what you would plan to do.

To bad for them. They should stay informed. Plus the fact that we don't have to give warning about this, people know it's wrong, or at least they should know it's wrong. So fuck 'em if they are doing it. I just like to be NICE and give people fair warning. It also makes me feel less guilty when I have to punish people, because I really am I nice guy. Many people like to paint me as otherwise, but just ask anyone who has met me in person what they think of me.

At 12/6/04 08:26 PM, DarkArchon wrote: There was something in place so that the movie was required to FULLY load prior to being able to vote, however, it was removed because of incompatability

(I believe this was mentioned before, but im not sure)

Too bad that it was removed. If we can oblige people to view at least a part of a movie, then the admins wouldn't be obliged to track down some users and remove their pts.

... but if a movie doesn't load then the voting bar would never appear and the submission will be underjudgement forever :O

Unless of course a timer is included.

:( I prefer that solution to the current one. Damn incompatability.

I only read the first post, so spare my ignorance.

Wade, are you just talking about movies under judgement, or all movies in the portal.
Because, sometimes, if i am in a rush and just want to get my experience for the day, i will go to moves out of judgement and rate them w/e they already are.
So if the rating is 3.2... i will give it a fair 3, or maybe a 4 if i had seen it before and liked it.
Is that wrong? I would like to know, becuas ei do it fro mtime to time when i am i na rush and i do not want to get burned for it.

At 12/6/04 08:33 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

To bad for them. They should stay informed. Plus the fact that we don't have to give warning about this, people know it's wrong, or at least they should know it's wrong. So fuck 'em if they are doing it. I just like to be NICE and give people fair warning. It also makes me feel less guilty when I have to punish people, because I really am I nice guy. Many people like to paint me as otherwise, but just ask anyone who has met me in person what they think of me.

ok. Thanks. That was simple. I was just wondering how many people you would probly have to go through and take b/p from.

At 12/6/04 08:34 PM, EKRegulus wrote:
Too bad that it was removed. If we can oblige people to view at least a part of a movie, then the admins wouldn't be obliged to track down some users and remove their pts.

... but if a movie doesn't load then the voting bar would never appear and the submission will be underjudgement forever :O

Unless of course a timer is included.

It was unfortunate that it was removed, but new ways of fixing the problem are being explored. The thing is, James can only do so much. So for now, the warning is in place, and the current system will be strictly enforced, until an easier system is worked into place.

Timers are one of the ideas that was mentioned for how to solve the problem.

At 12/6/04 07:34 PM, -Gooie- wrote:

At 12/6/04 07:28 PM, WadeFulp wrote: LilJim is not the type of person who would make up a graphic to pretend we aren't tracking your stats.

With the history of our run-ins, I wouldn't put it past him.

What in the fuck are you talking about? The only "run-in" we've ever had is when you contacted me on AIM to say that someone had "stolen" your account. When in fact, you had changed your username, neglected to back it up on another account and someone had "taken it away" from you when you weren't actually using it. That isn't theft. You can't steal anything that isn't in someone's possession already. I explained all of this to you already, but it's like talking to a brick wall. You're not taking any of it in.

As for the "Someone voting on your behalf" - that is not the case. Those are the votes you cast. I have no reason to make up images or statistics just to put a downer on your "reputation". You attempted to call Wade out on whether or not we were logging statistics and that's why I posted that image.

At 12/6/04 08:37 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: Is that wrong? I would like to know, becuas ei do it fro mtime to time when i am i na rush and i do not want to get burned for it.

You should vote what you think they worth and not approximately the same score as they had before your vote. O_o

That's not what I call a problem though.

He's talking about uj flashes.

OMG!!! i see wade peeking through my window hiding in a bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 12/6/04 08:40 PM, EKRegulus wrote: You should vote what you think they worth and not approximately the same score as they had before your vote. O_o

That's not what I call a problem though.

He's talking about uj flashes.

Ya i understand what you mean. Usually those rushed votes do not change the score anyway, but okay, good point.
I just wanted to know, i do not do it often, but i do not want to do it one day and then get burned for it.
I always watch the UJ movies, but smetimes you watch it for 10 seconds and see a stick man walking around in thin air and know it is a 0.

At 12/6/04 08:46 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: Ya i understand what you mean. Usually those rushed votes do not change the score anyway, but okay, good point.

It's not as bad as mass votes but you should vote what you think it deserves. Why can't people take their time to vote? Anyway, if you voted many times on overtime then you would only have 1 vote to do before depositing the experience.

They do change the score but it won't necessarily appear on your screen. The score of a submission isn't 2.55, it's more like 2.5496 or 2.5513... well, you know what I mean. You are changing the score unless the submission had a score of 4.0000 and you voted 4...

I just wanted to know, i do not do it often, but i do not want to do it one day and then get burned for it.

He's tracking underjudgement voters right now, your situation doesn't deserve a punishment.

I always watch the UJ movies, but smetimes you watch it for 10 seconds and see a stick man walking around in thin air and know it is a 0.

mmm I usuall vote 1 for those unless it's total crap. As long as you watch it and judge like it should be, where is the problem?

watch out for "thisisasignin" that guy even admitted to me he only votes on the authors previous flash history.

At 12/6/04 08:55 PM, EKRegulus wrote: mmm I usuall vote 1 for those unless it's total crap. As long as you watch it and judge like it should be, where is the problem?

No problem now, i was just curious before whether is was about UJ submissions, or all submissions. However, i got my anwser now. Thank you.

Wade, could i vote on an entry that has been re entered into the portal without seeing it?(like say if it got blammed and they sent it again, and i saw like 3 sec. of it and knew it was the same thing)

Yep. I noticed this admitted trend when viewing the forums about a topic concerning some "Star" animators (one of whom admitted that he would have to "cheat" to get an animation protected): the people agreed the animation was crap, but they just couldn't turn down a Protection point.

At 12/6/04 09:02 PM, Placebo wrote: After voting on as many movies as I have though, it's pretty easy to tell which movies are going to be good just by viewing their preloader. Consistently, movies with a poor pre loader, or perhaps none at all, are going to blammed; and movies with poor author comments or again none at all are almost always blammed as well. It doesn't take a genious to figure out when to vote a 5 or a 0.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that some entries deserve a 1,2,3,4 instead of a 0 or a 5. Start watching the entries and give them what they deserve, secure your blam/protect point isn't as important as voting fairly a submission.

Indeed, everyone knows the tricks but that's NOT how a movie should be judged, it should be judged as a whole.

Hey I got an idea.. sorry if its on the 10+ pages of posts, but perhaps when you see the video for 30 sec you can start to vote on it? So like the voting panel will show once you watched it for 30 sec..or 1 min! Just a suggestion.. :o

At 12/6/04 08:33 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

Of course the answer is probly simple but id just like to know what you would plan to do.

To bad for them. They should stay informed. Plus the fact that we don't have to give warning about this, people know it's wrong, or at least they should know it's wrong. So fuck 'em if they are doing it. I just like to be NICE and give people fair warning. It also makes me feel less guilty when I have to punish people, because I really am I nice guy. Many people like to paint me as otherwise, but just ask anyone who has met me in person what they think of me.

Like me! i am Bend, He sure was a very swell guy!! the butt secks was great

At 12/6/04 08:57 PM, xazi wrote: watch out for "thisisasignin" that guy even admitted to me he only votes on the authors previous flash history.

I am sorry everyone but I would like to retract this previous statement. I have never known anyone else more aware and noble in their voting upon submissions new and old. Eventhough he has asked me to take this blatantly false accusation back I am also doing it of my own free will because I now know it was wrong of me to jest at his expense. This man who I have wronged has never voted incorrectly. Even if it meant losing those vital points, he voted exactly what the flash submission deserved, against the crowd but going with objective fairness. This man is not guilty and is a prime example of what a Newgrounds viewer/voter should be. Thank you for your time. Take care everyone. Merry Christmass/ Hannukah.

Hey its weird this portal got less then a 0.5
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/206390
I think its a pretty good story..i mean its just a sig but people think it was made to be a flash movie =/ The sig is pretty cool, kinda has a story ^_^

At 12/6/04 08:02 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Sorry if you feel I'm being mean to you

Well, you COULD have done something, like emailed me about this instead of going out on a limb to make it into a "Gooe vs. the Admins" flame, but whatever.

but I don't care for people who call me a liar and talk shit about my friends.

I'm not talking shit about you or liljim and I'm sorry if it seems that way.

Why don't we sit down and talk about this over a nice cup of coffee?

At 12/6/04 09:44 PM, Dobio wrote: lol Gooie, you should throw in the towel. Fighting admins is bound to get you shot or something. O:-)

At one point, I just stop caring. I could stay here all night and bitch with them now that I"m home from work again, or I can go out and have fun and not care what they have to say.

I'm choosing to leave the spin zone.

At 12/6/04 09:02 PM, soulrifter wrote: Will you warn those who are abusing the system before you take serious action and remove blam and save points? I know I am guilty of hastily voting on occassion, but if I'm violating the rules, I'd like some fair warning, because I will change the way I go abou things if I know it's wrong.

You have already been warned when I made my front page post. If you did this in the past, I'm not going to come after you. If you do this from now on I will. I'm not going to warn people a 2nd time after I have already warned everyone.