What if we have seen the movie before but we hate/love it so much that we want it blammed/win awards? Do we have to watch it everytime?

At 12/9/04 01:16 PM, Wing00 wrote: What if we have seen the movie before but we hate/love it so much that we want it blammed/win awards? Do we have to watch it everytime?

Thats what i said before but slightly different.....no one answered though.

I think your allowed to vote on movies without watching them if they have already passed judgment.

this is dumb as hell, we shouldnt have to watch the whole flash if we can tell its crap. If a movie is called "dewd im kool" and it is just a stick figure dancing we should be able to blam it without watching the whole masturbating stick

At 12/9/04 04:05 PM, Juegue_la_guitarra wrote: this is dumb as hell, we shouldnt have to watch the whole flash if we can tell its crap. If a movie is called "dewd im kool" and it is just a stick figure dancing we should be able to blam it without watching the whole masturbating stick

Yea, Or how about commits like these from the author after a responce.

[How.. December 8, 2004
Entry: -= HENTAI MMORPG =- Overall Score: 0
How in the fucking world did this pass judgment. I'm sorry, but even if you are trying to mislead people the flash still sux. It was way to short and the quality of it was real low. Also, if your going to reply to this don't be a fag and say something like

Flash by Portal_Diver
-None-

Because I know I don't have any. But what I like to vote for is the quality of the submissions, not just on the title alone. So I say to you Fuck off, and make quality submission to the portal instead of shitty quantity submissions.
Graphics: 0 Sound: 0 Interactivity: 0 Style: 0 Violence: 0 Humor: 0
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Author's response:
You have no dirt on me. When asshats like you review me saying things like this, It makes me want to make even more shitty flash for the future. Oh yeah...

Flash by Portal_Diver
-None-

Just to piss you off.

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It's authors like these that make shitty flashes and some how passes. But the majority of their reviews are of low score with responces from the author looking like this.

As for me, I don't realy care what the submission is. Just as long as the quality of the flash is good, I'll give it a good vote.

i vote 0 if i dont like it, i vote 5 if i do.
thats my way of voting and if wade doesnt like it i dont really care,if he deletes my account i dont care i'll just make another one,if he bans my ip i wont care i'll just use another computer,if tom personally tells me that he would like me to stop using his site i'll stop.it's not my site,im just giving an opinion,MY opinion,if you dont want to hear its okay,thats why i have a girlfriend
(no i dont....sigh* why doesnt andrea like me? T_T)

At 12/9/04 08:04 PM, Fyndir wrote: I can't be bothered reading every single post thrown onto this thread, I'm frankly too tired, but I have the perfect example of people fad voting and voting without looking at the quality of the flash, the "war" between Prowlies Fans and Only Superhuman, a few people simply started hitting 0 on Only Superhuman every day to knock it out of the #1 spot, this is simply abuse of the voting system and I feel the people should be caught and slapped about.

GOOD FOR THEM, that is use of the voting system. Those who like something built their own little cults of personality. It is how the site is, and means that hentia title shit flash you mentioned (next post down from original) would be gone if we had a LONG TERM GATE (I'm fixated back off)

Fair enough.

My philosophy is that I should decide if the submission should stay or go... not what it is worth out of 5. I would vote 0 if I thought it didnt belong and I would vote 5 if I thought it did. There is no inbetween for me when it comes to the judgement phase. You gonna punish me for giving a 0 to a Pube Mupet movie after only watching 5 seconds??? Hows about a stick figure rape of Legendary Frog??? I only need to see 5 seconds to know how I'll vote on those.

I personaly think this is a good idea.

At 12/10/04 01:04 AM, Cycros wrote: My philosophy is that I should decide if the submission should stay or go... not what it is worth out of 5. I would vote 0 if I thought it didnt belong and I would vote 5 if I thought it did. There is no inbetween for me when it comes to the judgement phase. You gonna punish me for giving a 0 to a Pube Mupet movie after only watching 5 seconds??? Hows about a stick figure rape of Legendary Frog??? I only need to see 5 seconds to know how I'll vote on those.

I agree to that!!! Why should all of us have to sit and watch a full showing of some immature 12-year-old flash nudity for five minutes and get away with it?! This action taken by Newgrounds isn't just mainly because now it protects idiots whom place a loop to their movies of complete nonsense where viewers have to sit through it. Another option must be available to us!

That's a pretty good idea. How do you know though. That's how I get confused.

Nowone will be spared, eh?
Will you be spared?
and Tom?
What about me, im much more important too.

ya they've spent alot of time to get there so ya they should get a fair judgment

wow, a post from me! its been a long time but i think this is worth it.

There are some 'sore thumb' entries that appear in the portal. They are oftenn title 'pointless', the rating has 'excessive' everything, the size is 13kb and the commetns are "this r teh koolest vote 5"
If i were to see something like this and give it an automatic 0, then would that count?

Also, if I were to be one of those people that only votes 5s and 0s coz i either h8 or luv the movie, is there anything wrong with that?

This has all probly been covered, but I got bored reading everything after the 3rd page, so, yeah.

Yours sincerely,
H_J

I really like the added rules, I do think they're an actual improvement. But I discovered today (what I think is) a bit of a flaw: streaming movies. Today I watched less than a minute of a some 3Mb flash -I decided the animation was poor enough, of just some looping, uneased frames, no background, just a few bad-drawn elements, bad typo, no plot, useless author's comment... I decided it was worth a 0 to me, and I voted before all the 3 Mbs were fully loaded... and got the message "stop trying to cheat the system"; my vote wasn't registered.

I reloaded the movie again, this time waited it to be fully loaded, and w/o watching it anymore, voted a 1 (more than I thought it deserved, but...). Went okay. Now it's in the graveyard with a 1.21 end score, which isn't that far from my original 0 -not what you'd call "cheat the system".

Wasn't much of a troube to me, since I have a 100 Mbps DSL, so I downloaded that worst-than-poop thing at full NG speed of 40-something KB/s. But had I have a dial-up speed, I would felt really cheated. Nor is a trouble for me waiting to vote until streaming movies are fully loaded, but this can lead to serious abuse... I suppose now that many dial-uppers may have at least felt abused by the Piconjo-or-whatever one-frame, audio-uncompressed, 4-meg "music video", like the ones sent this last night...

Yes Yes very true. Alot of users just vote 0 on movies before even watching them, and thats a bitch! Users don't deserve that (unless its a really crappy movie). Thanks Wade, Tom, and crew!

How I tend to do it, is I look at the KB size, as well as the author's comments. If the size is something like .37 KB or something, I hit the play movie button because I know that it'll play in the time it takes my mouse to move over to the 0 on the voting scale. If it's something that i disagree with, I tend to vote 0 on it. If, on the other hand, it happens to be a flash that I like, I vote high on it. There have been some exceptions in the past, but I try not to make those exceptions. Also, as a general rule, if the author's comments are composed of something like "VOTE 5!!! REVIEW 10!!!," I blam it without hesitation. Such comments are big clues that the author knows that the movie is crappy, and is submitting it just to waste the time of viewers. However, I rarely just vote to get BLAM/PROTECT points. I might do it from time to time, but I try to avoid doing it.

Well, I must say something to this new voting control:

I see myself as cleaner @NG, so I focus on new submissions, quality in, crap out. If submissions are good, I vote high and give a good review. If they're bad, I vote low and sometimes give a review on how to do better, but most of the crap submitters don't want to learn.

Now I've just voted 0 on an entry with 19 KB (I already told myself that this can't be something good, but I watch every entry before voting so I did it this time too) , it was pure crap. And what happens?

"Stop trying to cheat the system!"

Well, whatever you guys have built in to catch the blam/protect point hunters: It doesn't work well.

See there is such an injustice sometimes here. I receive the cheater message unjustified, but the Star gang is cheating itself to Turd of the week everytime, something is wrong @ Newgrounds....

I agree with this decision

Yeah, and that's the worst part of the whole story. Most ppl that agree with that have low experience, don't vote on new submissions, so they aren't even affected......

Well if the fact that I want to keep NG clean from crap is cheating then I better look for another Flash community, or ........ ?

Crack down on that Star Syndicate. I've heard rumors that they don't watch their own movies and just vote 5 on their team's works, using the power they have as a team to pass the person's works. Just check it out.

I agree something should be done about people cheating the system..but not this way. Alot of people are getting the 'You've been cheated' screen even if they dont cheat..fortunately i never had one yet =| They need a better plan..

At 12/15/04 09:54 PM, the37thchosenone wrote: Crack down on that Star Syndicate. I've heard rumors that they don't watch their own movies and just vote 5 on their team's works, using the power they have as a team to pass the person's works. Just check it out.

Course man, why do you think that they survive the judgment? They push each other's movie, and nothing is done about it.

I LOVE YOU WADE!!!! YOU FRIGGIN' RULE!!!!!

has anyone's blam/protect points actually been taken away yet?

i've done this occasionally, when i wanted to get my exp pts in cuz i had to go somewhere, but i definitely hear you man. some people do nothing but that.

Well if a movie with no sound and a poorly drawn stick is moving around the screen for 5 minutes, im not going to sit there and watch the whole thing

even tho that doesnt effect me thats good to know for the future