At 1/29/25 06:52 PM, ShangXian wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:37 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:11 PM, SparkNitro wrote:Sir Fulp, If the law required legitimate IDs, where would said information go?
Would it be used once and discarded or be kept in an database?

We would use a third party verification service and those services aren't supposed to retain any of the records in these cases. So NG would never see your ID (we just get a Yes or No from the service) and as long as the third party service isn't lying, the ID info wouldn't be retained.

>> as long as the third party service isn't lying

That is the problem, what service can we trust to handle the picture of our ID (where our personal information, such as full name, Street address, State, and Birthday are visible)? Because if they're actually collecting them for data purposes (and advertisement/data broker, let's get fucking real) and they get data breached, we're fucked.

It is not the same as just handing over your ID to a real person, you hand over your digital photo of your ID to these online companies (that do ID verification) and if that company does collect them (i.e not deleting them after they confirmed you're adult) and gets hacked, those images are now under some hacker and those images will duplicate into thousands in seconds (sharing with their friends > they download that image of your ID > They Repost it to their friend, Repeat), and a few hours later, they probably gonna sell them as counterfeit ID. We're looking at a huge increase in the Black Market in history (and worst case: eventually, some teens are gonna find their way to grab those counterfeit IDs so they can use it to bypass verification. It is very Unlikely but you never know)

I do support the idea that people under 18 shouldn't have access to adult content nor should they see some fuck up content (I witness goatse on DeviantArt back in 2017, never been the same since) but people will always find a loophole around this. It is not a bulletproof plan (at same time however, I don't think there is other way).

I 100% second this!

At 1/29/25 06:20 PM, shadowfals wrote:

At 1/29/25 02:57 PM, TomFulp wrote:For anyone wondering, the penalty for websites that aren't in compliance will be 10% of revenue or $18 million, whichever amount is larger. So basically $18 million in our case.

That's what actual lawyers are saying and not what a chatbot spit out, yeah?

It's just, I'm not seeing that ridiculous fine mentioned in discussions elsewhere.

At 1/29/25 06:42 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:37 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:11 PM, SparkNitro wrote:Sir Fulp, If the law required legitimate IDs, where would said information go?
Would it be used once and discarded or be kept in an database?

We would use a third party verification service and those services aren't supposed to retain any of the records in these cases. So NG would never see your ID (we just get a Yes or No from the service) and as long as the third party service isn't lying, the ID info wouldn't be retained.

>> as long as the third party service isn't lying

That is the problem, what service can we trust to handle the picture of our ID (where our personal information, such as full name, Street address, State, and Birthday are visible)? Because if they're actually collecting them for data purposes (and advertisement/data broker, let's get fucking real) and they get data breached, we're fucked.

It is not the same as just handing over your ID to a real person, you hand over your digital photo of your ID to these online companies (that do ID verification) and if that company does collect them (i.e not deleting them after they confirmed you're adult) and gets hacked, those images are now under some hacker and those images will duplicate into thousands in seconds (sharing with their friends > they download that image of your ID > They Repost it to their friend, Repeat), and a few hours later, they probably gonna sell them as counterfeit ID. We're looking at a huge increase in the Black Market in history (and worst case: eventually, some teens are gonna find their way to grab those counterfeit IDs so they can use it to bypass verification. It is very Unlikely but you never know)

I do support the idea that people under 18 shouldn't have access to adult content nor should they see some fuck up content (I witness goatse on DeviantArt back in 2017, never been the same since) but people will always find a loophole around this. It is not a bulletproof plan (at same time however, I don't think there is other way).

Yeah unfortunately someone has sent me Pichu feet fetish and tried to justify Pichu NSFW because its a Pokemon.

At 1/29/25 06:56 PM, SparkNitro wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:42 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:37 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:11 PM, SparkNitro wrote:Sir Fulp, If the law required legitimate IDs, where would said information go?
Would it be used once and discarded or be kept in an database?

We would use a third party verification service and those services aren't supposed to retain any of the records in these cases. So NG would never see your ID (we just get a Yes or No from the service) and as long as the third party service isn't lying, the ID info wouldn't be retained.

>> as long as the third party service isn't lying

That is the problem, what service can we trust to handle the picture of our ID (where our personal information, such as full name, Street address, State, and Birthday are visible)? Because if they're actually collecting them for data purposes (and advertisement/data broker, let's get fucking real) and they get data breached, we're fucked.

It is not the same as just handing over your ID to a real person, you hand over your digital photo of your ID to these online companies (that do ID verification) and if that company does collect them (i.e not deleting them after they confirmed you're adult) and gets hacked, those images are now under some hacker and those images will duplicate into thousands in seconds (sharing with their friends > they download that image of your ID > They Repost it to their friend, Repeat), and a few hours later, they probably gonna sell them as counterfeit ID. We're looking at a huge increase in the Black Market in history (and worst case: eventually, some teens are gonna find their way to grab those counterfeit IDs so they can use it to bypass verification. It is very Unlikely but you never know)

I do support the idea that people under 18 shouldn't have access to adult content nor should they see some fuck up content (I witness goatse on DeviantArt back in 2017, never been the same since) but people will always find a loophole around this. It is not a bulletproof plan (at same time however, I don't think there is other way).

Yeah unfortunately someone has sent me Pichu feet fetish and tried to justify Pichu NSFW because its a Pokemon.

You're being way too comfortable on this forum Sir.

At 1/29/25 06:51 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:47 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:42 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:37 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:11 PM, SparkNitro wrote:Sir Fulp, If the law required legitimate IDs, where would said information go?
Would it be used once and discarded or be kept in an database?

We would use a third party verification service and those services aren't supposed to retain any of the records in these cases. So NG would never see your ID (we just get a Yes or No from the service) and as long as the third party service isn't lying, the ID info wouldn't be retained.

>> as long as the third party service isn't lying

That is the problem, what service can we trust to handle the picture of our ID (where our personal information, such as full name, Street address, State, and Birthday are visible)? Because if they're actually collecting them for data purposes (and advertisement/data broker, let's get fucking real) and they get data breached, we're fucked.

It is not the same as just handing over your ID to a real person, you hand over your digital photo of your ID to these online companies (that do ID verification) and if that company does collect them (i.e not deleting them after they confirmed you're adult) and gets hacked, those images are now under some hacker and those images will duplicate into thousands in seconds (sharing with their friends > they download that image of your ID > They Repost it to their friend, Repeat), and a few hours later, they probably gonna sell them as counterfeit ID. We're looking at a huge increase in the Black Market in history (and worst case: eventually, some teens are gonna find their way to grab those counterfeit IDs so they can use it to bypass verification. It is very Unlikely but you never know)

I do support the idea that people under 18 shouldn't have access to adult content nor should they see some fuck up content (I witness goatse on DeviantArt back in 2017, never been the same since) but people will always find a loophole around this. It is not a bulletproof plan (at same time however, I don't think there is other way).

Yeah unfortunately someone has sent me Pichu feet fetish and tried to justify Pichu NSFW because its a Pokemon.

Okay I shouldn't be laughing at this like I am, but after Pokemon Mystery Lovers being a key point for collaborative satire I can't help it.

Bro do you realize how scarred I saw seeing some one put their [redacted] on pichu’s feet? And you said you had the same experiences

At 1/29/25 06:56 PM, SparkNitro wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:42 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 06:37 PM, AKA-38CAUTION wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:21 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 05:11 PM, SparkNitro wrote:Sir Fulp, If the law required legitimate IDs, where would said information go?
Would it be used once and discarded or be kept in an database?

We would use a third party verification service and those services aren't supposed to retain any of the records in these cases. So NG would never see your ID (we just get a Yes or No from the service) and as long as the third party service isn't lying, the ID info wouldn't be retained.

>> as long as the third party service isn't lying

That is the problem, what service can we trust to handle the picture of our ID (where our personal information, such as full name, Street address, State, and Birthday are visible)? Because if they're actually collecting them for data purposes (and advertisement/data broker, let's get fucking real) and they get data breached, we're fucked.

It is not the same as just handing over your ID to a real person, you hand over your digital photo of your ID to these online companies (that do ID verification) and if that company does collect them (i.e not deleting them after they confirmed you're adult) and gets hacked, those images are now under some hacker and those images will duplicate into thousands in seconds (sharing with their friends > they download that image of your ID > They Repost it to their friend, Repeat), and a few hours later, they probably gonna sell them as counterfeit ID. We're looking at a huge increase in the Black Market in history (and worst case: eventually, some teens are gonna find their way to grab those counterfeit IDs so they can use it to bypass verification. It is very Unlikely but you never know)

I do support the idea that people under 18 shouldn't have access to adult content nor should they see some fuck up content (I witness goatse on DeviantArt back in 2017, never been the same since) but people will always find a loophole around this. It is not a bulletproof plan (at same time however, I don't think there is other way).

Yeah unfortunately someone has sent me Pichu feet fetish and tried to justify Pichu NSFW because its a Pokemon.

You're being way too comfortable on this forum Sir.

At 1/29/25 07:12 PM, ShockAbe wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:23 AM, Slopgok wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos

i read this as "stock photos" first, i was confused until i read the replies and re-read it.

Sending you stock photos right now.

At 1/29/25 07:16 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 07:12 PM, ShockAbe wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:23 AM, Slopgok wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos

i read this as "stock photos" first, i was confused until i read the replies and re-read it.

Sending you stock photos right now.

Noooooooo you’re gonna have Tom fulp go through another lawsuit!

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

At 1/29/25 09:47 PM, ShellySunshine wrote:As someone who has used Newgrounds as a kid, but hardly ever used her ancient NG account to interact (nor do I remember the credentials)... As long as safe for work content is still viewable as a guest, I feel as though that will be enough as is for kids. Waiting until 14 and even up to 16 to actually use this site isn't a bad idea at all. NG's culture/aura is different from other, more popular social medias.

As for the supporter only PM image privilege part... I haven't use NG PMs yet and I prefer talking to people in public spaces, I do appreciate that you can flag PMs as needed, and I'm under the assumption that moderators and admins have access to said PMs, yes? (I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this) I guess this being a supporter perk now would be another reason to financially support NG, but couldn't people use links that would link to images though? I reckon it's nice not to open up a PM of a shock image from a random user.

I'm also fine with the new minor account rule as I don't really use PMs much anyways.

I do worry about the showing ID thing. I trust you guys, but I think my concerns are the same as some of the users.(hackers getting info, data breach, etc.)