At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:46 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:As an already-paying Supporter, living in Australia (ie. one of the affected countries), I might be biased, but here's my take:
It's porn. Who cares if you put it behind a paywall? If anything, that's more $$ for Newgrounds. And it's less intrusive than digital ID.

To be completely honest some people in the porn community are insanely weird and will bitch and moan about anything like the people who are receiving dick in the videos they watch if they can't view their favorite kink.

Hence why for years sites like 4chan, Rule 34 and Gelbooru have basically thrived on free porn.

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:32 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:11 AM, detergent1 wrote:I guess that while minimum age to join will be 16, the E,T,M filters will remain available to non-users, right?

The filters will still be available to unregistered users, although at some point we might require registration and an age of 17 to toggle M. In the meantime, more stuff has been moving from M to A to try and avoid that, in particular because I don't like the idea of things like Salad Fingers and Madness being hidden by default.

This could be solved by a new method of filtering content, something which has been getting talked about some in the Supporter forum. It's a big overhaul though and would introduce its own headaches.

Couldn't the BBS be under the same restrictions that the NG Chat has if worst comes to worst and it remains an exclusive 18+ feature?

I get this might not be the ideal or anything like that but honestly, speaking from experience I'd rather not have to put up with teenagers who think they know a thing or two about the world when all they really know is whatever happens in their parents basement and whatever dumb drama they deal with in school.

I think the bbs shouldn’t be 18 + only because we already have a rating system on the BBs and a great moderation team so in my opinion that probably isn’t necessary. But it’s up to @TomFulp

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:32 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:11 AM, detergent1 wrote:I guess that while minimum age to join will be 16, the E,T,M filters will remain available to non-users, right?

The filters will still be available to unregistered users, although at some point we might require registration and an age of 17 to toggle M. In the meantime, more stuff has been moving from M to A to try and avoid that, in particular because I don't like the idea of things like Salad Fingers and Madness being hidden by default.

This could be solved by a new method of filtering content, something which has been getting talked about some in the Supporter forum. It's a big overhaul though and would introduce its own headaches.

Couldn't the BBS be under the same restrictions that the NG Chat has if worst comes to worst and it remains an exclusive 18+ feature?

I get this might not be the ideal or anything like that but honestly, speaking from experience I'd rather not have to put up with teenagers who think they know a thing or two about the world when all they really know is whatever happens in their parents basement and whatever dumb drama they deal with in school.

I think the bbs shouldn’t be 18 + only because we already have a rating system on the BBs and a great moderation team so in my opinion that probably isn’t necessary. But it’s up to @TomFulp

In fairness, and I say this as a 30 year old man who has also been in the same shoes as a teenager in the past... Some things are really better left as adult spaces and lately my stance has shifted to feeling that have most online interactions should fall into that.

I know it sounds hypocritical but between the drama queens, bad actors, and all these other sorts of people who turn out to be problematic I'd rather not have to deal with the headaches that allowing teens in adult areas can cause in the same way a bartender wouldn't want to risk someone under 21 being in their place of business. It's a liability.

At 1/29/25 04:05 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:32 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:11 AM, detergent1 wrote:I guess that while minimum age to join will be 16, the E,T,M filters will remain available to non-users, right?

The filters will still be available to unregistered users, although at some point we might require registration and an age of 17 to toggle M. In the meantime, more stuff has been moving from M to A to try and avoid that, in particular because I don't like the idea of things like Salad Fingers and Madness being hidden by default.

This could be solved by a new method of filtering content, something which has been getting talked about some in the Supporter forum. It's a big overhaul though and would introduce its own headaches.

Couldn't the BBS be under the same restrictions that the NG Chat has if worst comes to worst and it remains an exclusive 18+ feature?

I get this might not be the ideal or anything like that but honestly, speaking from experience I'd rather not have to put up with teenagers who think they know a thing or two about the world when all they really know is whatever happens in their parents basement and whatever dumb drama they deal with in school.

I think the bbs shouldn’t be 18 + only because we already have a rating system on the BBs and a great moderation team so in my opinion that probably isn’t necessary. But it’s up to @TomFulp

In fairness, and I say this as a 30 year old man who has also been in the same shoes as a teenager in the past... Some things are really better left as adult spaces and lately my stance has shifted to feeling that have most online interactions should fall into that.

I know it sounds hypocritical but between the drama queens, bad actors, and all these other sorts of people who turn out to be problematic I'd rather not have to deal with the headaches that allowing teens in adult areas can cause in the same way a bartender wouldn't want to risk someone under 21 being in their place of business. It's a liability.

With Newgrounds being a collaborative space, what about collaboration projects? It would be harder for younger artists under 18 to collaborate with other people because the pm feature is already sketchy enough

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:Word of advice and word to the wise: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS.

Sorry to sound generalizing but I lost count of how many kids and teenagers I've seen who were stupid enough to reveal their actual age and even if it's an adult pretending to be a kid that's problematic for other reasons.

At 1/29/25 10:00 AM, TomFulp wrote:This month we raised the minimum sign-up age to 14 and we intend to gradually raise it this year until we settle on 16 as the minimum age. This keeps us more compliant with legislation in places like Australia and Florida but also feels like a good fit for Newgrounds. Australia may also be requiring ID checks, we’ll have to wait and see what they settle on and what they offer on that front later this year.

Existing accounts will be grandfathered, meaning we won’t be deleting accounts that joined before the change. If you are an artist who was hoping to participate on NG but are too young, please keep honing your craft, we look forward to seeing you here some day!

At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:Word of advice and word to the wise: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS.

Sorry to sound generalizing but I lost count of how many kids and teenagers I've seen who were stupid enough to reveal their actual age and even if it's an adult pretending to be a kid that's problematic for other reasons.

I think that revealing your real age will stop weird people from interacting with minors because now when the minor exposes the pedo, the pedo has no excuse to lie. Therefore, the pedos will think twice before sexting minors on NG

At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:05 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:32 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:11 AM, detergent1 wrote:I guess that while minimum age to join will be 16, the E,T,M filters will remain available to non-users, right?

The filters will still be available to unregistered users, although at some point we might require registration and an age of 17 to toggle M. In the meantime, more stuff has been moving from M to A to try and avoid that, in particular because I don't like the idea of things like Salad Fingers and Madness being hidden by default.

This could be solved by a new method of filtering content, something which has been getting talked about some in the Supporter forum. It's a big overhaul though and would introduce its own headaches.

Couldn't the BBS be under the same restrictions that the NG Chat has if worst comes to worst and it remains an exclusive 18+ feature?

I get this might not be the ideal or anything like that but honestly, speaking from experience I'd rather not have to put up with teenagers who think they know a thing or two about the world when all they really know is whatever happens in their parents basement and whatever dumb drama they deal with in school.

I think the bbs shouldn’t be 18 + only because we already have a rating system on the BBs and a great moderation team so in my opinion that probably isn’t necessary. But it’s up to @TomFulp

In fairness, and I say this as a 30 year old man who has also been in the same shoes as a teenager in the past... Some things are really better left as adult spaces and lately my stance has shifted to feeling that have most online interactions should fall into that.

I know it sounds hypocritical but between the drama queens, bad actors, and all these other sorts of people who turn out to be problematic I'd rather not have to deal with the headaches that allowing teens in adult areas can cause in the same way a bartender wouldn't want to risk someone under 21 being in their place of business. It's a liability.

With Newgrounds being a collaborative space, what about collaboration projects? It would be harder for younger artists under 18 to collaborate with other people because the pm feature is already sketchy enough

I think that goes back to what Tom was saying that they should keep honing their skills.

I understand where that is a concern but this is not a perfect world where we can have it both ways. Unless people use discord for submissions then that's another thing but..... To be brutally honest I'd be wanting to get vibe checks from other people before I do that.

At 1/29/25 04:16 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:05 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:32 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:13 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 11:11 AM, detergent1 wrote:I guess that while minimum age to join will be 16, the E,T,M filters will remain available to non-users, right?

The filters will still be available to unregistered users, although at some point we might require registration and an age of 17 to toggle M. In the meantime, more stuff has been moving from M to A to try and avoid that, in particular because I don't like the idea of things like Salad Fingers and Madness being hidden by default.

This could be solved by a new method of filtering content, something which has been getting talked about some in the Supporter forum. It's a big overhaul though and would introduce its own headaches.

Couldn't the BBS be under the same restrictions that the NG Chat has if worst comes to worst and it remains an exclusive 18+ feature?

I get this might not be the ideal or anything like that but honestly, speaking from experience I'd rather not have to put up with teenagers who think they know a thing or two about the world when all they really know is whatever happens in their parents basement and whatever dumb drama they deal with in school.

I think the bbs shouldn’t be 18 + only because we already have a rating system on the BBs and a great moderation team so in my opinion that probably isn’t necessary. But it’s up to @TomFulp

In fairness, and I say this as a 30 year old man who has also been in the same shoes as a teenager in the past... Some things are really better left as adult spaces and lately my stance has shifted to feeling that have most online interactions should fall into that.

I know it sounds hypocritical but between the drama queens, bad actors, and all these other sorts of people who turn out to be problematic I'd rather not have to deal with the headaches that allowing teens in adult areas can cause in the same way a bartender wouldn't want to risk someone under 21 being in their place of business. It's a liability.

With Newgrounds being a collaborative space, what about collaboration projects? It would be harder for younger artists under 18 to collaborate with other people because the pm feature is already sketchy enough

I think that goes back to what Tom was saying that they should keep honing their skills.

I understand where that is a concern but this is not a perfect world where we can have it both ways. Unless people use discord for submissions then that's another thing but..... To be brutally honest I'd be wanting to get vibe checks from other people before I do that.

Honestly for the BBS I feel like kids should under 18 should just use their own discretion. When it comes to the BBS, and Tom’s new PM rule, I don’t think we have to really worry about it. When something does come up though I do see what you’re saying

At 1/29/25 04:15 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:08 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:58 PM, DioShiba wrote:Word of advice and word to the wise: Never underestimate the stupidity of people. ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS.

Sorry to sound generalizing but I lost count of how many kids and teenagers I've seen who were stupid enough to reveal their actual age and even if it's an adult pretending to be a kid that's problematic for other reasons.

I think that revealing your real age will stop weird people from interacting with minors because now when the minor exposes the pedo, the pedo has no excuse to lie. Therefore, the pedos will think twice before sexting minors on NG

How many people have you actually interacted with on here and how many of those people did you work with?

No really some of those weird people do not care and will probably say something along the lines of "Oh you're so mature for your age" and then when they caught they'll try dragging everyone down with them when a scandal breaks out. I've witnessed it in some situations online, and I've also had first hand experience in such a situation where someone else's problem turned into a shitshow, and I had to distance myself from said user.

You're making a lot of assumptions here to someone who has a valid reason to even say the things he's bothering to say considering this is an uncomfortable topic for some people.

At 1/29/25 04:15 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:13 PM, BoiledMilkz wrote:So if, by the end of the year, somebody is below 16 and have a Newgrounds account, they won't be able to use it until they are 16?

We're leaving existing accounts alone, unless there is direct legal pressure to do otherwise in specific regions.

At 1/29/25 03:57 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:52 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 03:46 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:As an already-paying Supporter, living in Australia (ie. one of the affected countries), I might be biased, but here's my take:
It's porn. Who cares if you put it behind a paywall? If anything, that's more $$ for Newgrounds. And it's less intrusive than digital ID.

To be completely honest some people in the porn community are insanely weird and will bitch and moan about anything like the people who are receiving dick in the videos they watch if they can't view their favorite kink.

Hence why for years sites like 4chan, Rule 34 and Gelbooru have basically thrived on free porn.

I don’t go on 4 Chan or R34 because all of them are the same.

They live in their parents basement

They are at least 300lbs

The haven’t seen the sun in years

And they are all gooners

At 1/29/25 04:42 PM, UnculturedMutt wrote:

At 1/29/25 12:08 PM, ChazDude wrote:Thanks, Keir. Can't wait for the inevitable data breaches.

I'm not a big fan of the government

I'm getting cold feet at the concept of giving my ID. It's already mandatory for YouTube.

At 1/29/25 04:44 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:42 PM, UnculturedMutt wrote:

At 1/29/25 12:08 PM, ChazDude wrote:Thanks, Keir. Can't wait for the inevitable data breaches.

I'm not a big fan of the government

I'm getting cold feet at the concept of giving my ID. It's already mandatory for YouTube.

They have face verification instead of id verification

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

At 1/29/25 04:55 PM, ShangXian wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

I can confirm after I discovered a user, a minor, got some gory images sent by a person with an unhealthy obsession for a serial killer just because this kid rightly didn't want to draw such serial killer. I am very glad the account was reported and cancelled from the site.

At 1/29/25 04:55 PM, ShangXian wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

I can confirm after I discovered a user, a minor, got some gory images sent by a person with an unhealthy obsession for a serial killer just because this kid rightly didn't want to draw such serial killer. I am very glad the account was reported and cancelled from the site.

At 1/29/25 05:05 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:55 PM, ShangXian wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

I can confirm after I discovered a user, a minor, got some gory images sent by a person with an unhealthy obsession for a serial killer just because this kid rightly didn't want to draw such serial killer. I am very glad the account was reported and cancelled from the site.

If it was John Wayne Gacy I'm yeeting myself outta here

At 1/29/25 05:04 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 1/29/25 04:55 PM, ShangXian wrote:

At 1/29/25 10:23 AM, Myceli0m wrote:

We’ve also changed the PM system, so that sending images via PM is now a Supporter feature. Reasons for this are people abusing the system with shock photos, the potential for creepy stuff happening and to better comply with the UK Online Safety Act.

What the hell are people sending to eachother in PM's?

I can confirm after I discovered a user, a minor, got some gory images sent by a person with an unhealthy obsession for a serial killer just because this kid rightly didn't want to draw such serial killer. I am very glad the account was reported and cancelled from the site.

Then again I can see how the “Minor has to follow adult before adult can talk to minor” shit can be easily exploitable. They adult can trick the minor into following them