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Audio Portal Cleanup

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-07 14:31:38 (edited 2018-06-07 14:33:07)


At 6/7/18 01:22 PM, IoTheEternal wrote: Imo garageband is just a very bad overall standard for music making - and most of what I hear that comes out of it is badly mixed or badly mastered

I have no real experience with GarageBand but personally this sounds like a toupee fallacy as applied to software. ie, people make the claim toupees are pointless because you can always tell. In reality you can only tell when it's a bad toupee, if it's a good one it's invisible to you. If every time you notice a toupee it's a bad one you'll assume all toupees are bad.

I see this fallacy applied to the game engine Unity very often. ie, people claim that using Unity leads to shitty games, because they've seen so many bad Unity games. In reality this is because Unity is widespread among students and newcomers, and free to use - but the free version has a mandatory splash screen. So every time you play a shitty amateur Unity game it announces to you that it's a Unity game, and so you might assume all Unity games are bad by default. But there's many well-made, professional games that you'd never realize are also using the engine.

Apply that same thought to music software. You'd have no way of telling a song was made in GarageBand over Logic, Pro Tools, Ableton, Reason etc. so long as the song was good and didn't use the identifiable stock sounds. GarageBand is free with Macs and so it'll be a popular choice for amateurs and people with no music experience, so a disproportionate amount of shitty music will come from GarageBand compared to the expensive software. But it's a fallacy to claim the software is the problem and not the people using it. It's just that a far higher % of GB users will have no experience when compared to other software's demographics.

I've also seen this exact criticism thrown at FL Studio for years, ie it results in shitty music that makes you sound like everyone else, in reality it's just as capable as most other DAWs and the differences won't define how the end product sounds if you know what you're doing, but it was the most popular DAW for years and so it produced the highest quantity of shitty music, and again people made the fallacy of somehow thinking the software was at fault and not the people using it.

Wow that was a big fuckin ranty post but I hope you found it interesting. TL;DR it's not the software, it's the users, GarageBand by nature will attract amateurs and people with no prior music experience and so the music made with it will sound worse on average.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 03:56:51 (edited 2018-06-08 03:57:37)


@IoTheEternal @Jackho @Peregrinus

Regarding Garageband usage :
That software it's perfectly fine to use if the tracks made with it do not rely solely or heavily on the pre-made beats, loops, and other "drag and drop" audio clips included on that software (garageband live loops).
That kind of material goes against the AP rules.
As an example, I've bumped into countless variations / re-arrangements of this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZZrWWCcvxM


Musicians make music , producers make products. * drops mic :D

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 06:08:01


MandoPony - Survive the Night

Original

The Score - Legend

Elektronomia - Sky High

this is don't remix

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 07:40:47


At 6/6/18 01:16 PM, KeanyGD wrote: I sent this to LexRodent

"I would like to report a user, OblivionOfficial, an audio portal user. And i know after my mistake that i dont have the cleanest record. But im starting a new leaf. (Sounded better in my head)

And lex said i should say it here. So if any mods read this see what you think.

He didn't want them for use in GD. He uploaded them for his private server because he didn't know any other way. Ask him yourself.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 07:55:39


He still broke the rules.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 11:22:37


At 6/8/18 07:55 AM, KeanyGD wrote: He still broke the rules.

I get that. But he made a mistake. He shouldn't be banned for life from this site.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 11:27:17


deadmau5 - Ghosts N Stuff (feat. Rob Swire)

Breakbot - Baby I'm Yours (feat. Irfane)

Haywyre - Do You Don't You

Marshmello - Alone

RIOT - Enigma

Cartoon - On & On (feat. Daniel Levi)

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-08 14:05:51 (edited 2018-06-08 14:06:29)


At 6/8/18 11:22 AM, Skiddle wrote:
At 6/8/18 07:55 AM, KeanyGD wrote: He still broke the rules.
I get that. But he made a mistake. He shouldn't be banned for life from this site.

Not to sound dismissive, but we're not going to give anyone special treatment. Calling it a mistake is overly lenient when they deliberately and repeatedly misused NG's functions.

This user was warned and still broke the rules, and besides that you need to outright ignore the huge warning on the upload page to only submit original work which they would've gone through several times.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-09 03:16:45


Yeah. I made a mistake. I was banned for a month and that was for one track. I also lost my audio portal membership. So i think it us fitting for every stolen piece we find (so far i have found 2) is a months ban. And a life ban on audio membership.

But im not a mod. Just a suggestion

Thancc

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-10 04:00:04 (edited 2018-06-10 04:06:50)


Here's Episode 2 of AgentJDN's Audio Renegades. Investigate before cleaning!

This seems a bit suspicious - while it's not Despacito at all, it's also recorded from Growtopia, and I think this song was probably made by someone else, because from the audio, it's a multiplayer room.

Panda Eyes X Barely Alive X Virtual Riot - Triforce

. Why are they still stealing from Virtual Riot?

MDK's Super Ultra has been stolen! AAAAACK!

MDK - Super Ultra

MDK - Press Start

. Sorry, Dex Arson's got a remix the song up on Newgrounds!

STOP. REUPLOADING. HINKIK EXPLORERS!

Hinkik - Explorers

NO STEALING in the halls!

"GOT TO SWEEP!" (Baldi's Basics Remix) by Endigo

Oh look, it's another reupload of Kero Kero Bonito - Flamingo.

Kero Kero Bonito - Flamingo

Why are you stealing this song? 英しウ媛行岡

HOME - Resonance

Daft Punk - Harder Better Faster Stronger

. Stealing from a famous computerized artist? No way.

Oh please. Stop with the NCS reuploads...

Elektronomia- Sky High [NCS release]

Hahaha so funny. Video game themes unedited. GTA San Andreas Theme Song

360 noscope!!! xXCopyrightStealerGodXx Okay stop it now.

Dr - I Keep Holding On (My Hope Will Never Die)

An unnecessary pitch-bend of Dimrain47's At the Speed of Light.

Dimrain47 - At the Speed of Light

Jack Hylton - Breakaway (Shemian Remix)

. That's the closest I could get.

And that's it for AgentJDN's Audio Renegades Episode 2. See you next time!
(EDIT: I realized someone else has reported some of the tracks I also reported. But they're still not taken down, so keep a close eye!)

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-15 03:45:15


At 6/13/18 03:18 PM, IoTheEternal wrote: these song were removed but its id is still on the charts - it needs to be removed completely please.

Those songs were retired by the authors themselves.
If the tracks are not rule breaking, that's not audio moderators turf.

You can mention this on the " Ways to improve the audio portal " thread (if you haven't already).


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 01:04:50 (edited 2018-06-16 01:04:59)


Currently sitting on the front page is a track from the late 1970s. I'm highly suspect that it belongs to the uploader because they provide absolutely no context for their tracks. Just links to youtube and other places where the tracks can be downloaded for free. A drummer or guitarist from the band would have some kind of insight. Not sure if the mods still interview people but this is something I'd want consensus on. What are the odds this person uploads original content??

https://pammamia.newgrounds.com/audio/

Here's a link to a website that offers free downloads of the same songs on newgrounds:

https://www.soundclick.com/bands3/default.cfm?bandid=974916


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 03:05:07 (edited 2018-06-16 03:05:31)


And my review was removed. No idea what I did wrong but my questions were not answered. Did a mod do the proper research and decide the artist is in fact legit? I posted a new review, we'll see what happens.

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 08:49:02


At 6/16/18 01:04 AM, Quarl wrote: Currently sitting on the front page is a track from the late 1970s. I'm highly suspect that it belongs to the uploader because they provide absolutely no context for their tracks. Just links to youtube and other places where the tracks can be downloaded for free. A drummer or guitarist from the band would have some kind of insight. Not sure if the mods still interview people but this is something I'd want consensus on. What are the odds this person uploads original content??

It seems to be the bass guitarist showing off their works. There's no specific link back to NG, but you can follow the collective links on the profile and it seems fairly in depth. Some of them don't link to each other either, so the options are a) person did a googling of the artist name and collected them all (which is a fair amount of effort) or b) they actually are the person.

The lack of detail wouldn't surprise me because English is not the maiden language of the artist, and if it is the artist, they're 67 and may not be as familiar with the desire to provide big detail.

With newer music it's easy enough to try and put burden of proof on the uploader since half the time they have a file for the program it was made or edited in. For older tracks, how would they even show proof?

I'd think that someone who gets through the scouting process then gets a hand picked frontpage is vetted in some way.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 11:30:17 (edited 2018-06-16 11:34:50)


At 6/16/18 08:49 AM, Peregrinus wrote:
With newer music it's easy enough to try and put burden of proof on the uploader since half the time they have a file for the program it was made or edited in. For older tracks, how would they even show proof?

I'd think that someone who gets through the scouting process then gets a hand picked frontpage is vetted in some way.

Things were way differnt in my mod days. Would have been about ten years ago. We used to have to regularly interview people for tracks they uploaded. We'd ask them questions like what key the track was in, what's the BPM, perhaps any information they could provide about their band... it was a stupid in depth process that got us on the bad sides of a lot of people.

Sometimes modding was like punching people in the face with questions. It fucking sucked but it was unsurprising how many people couldnt answer a basic question like "what genre is your band?"

I hate needless conflict, I just didnt stumble on the same info you did. So your saying this guy is the bass player? I didn't stumble on that. Saw an apparent birthday in the 1950's. This would have to be newgrounds oldest user to ever submit music to the newgrounds audio portal and despite their age, they also crossed a language gap to post old mp3s that would have been converted from vinyl?

Just seems suspect.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 11:39:56


At 6/16/18 11:30 AM, Quarl wrote: I hate needless conflict, I just didnt stumble on the same info you did. So your saying this guy the bass player? I didn't stumble on that. Saw an apparent birthday in the 1950's. This would have to be newgrounds oldest user to ever submit music to the newgrounds audio portal...

Yeah, one of the links on the userpage has a bit of a description to it, and the youtube version of the frontpaged song mentions the guy was bass/lead vocals for the track. It doesn't necessarily mean that it 100% isn't stolen, but all the music uploaded seems to jive with what is essentially a portfolio.

There are users who are past the 50 mark. 67 would definitely seem up there, but not unheard of.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 11:56:08


At 6/16/18 11:39 AM, Peregrinus wrote:
Yeah, one of the links on the userpage has a bit of a description to it, and the youtube version of the frontpaged song mentions the guy was bass/lead vocals for the traco...

...There are users who are past the 50 mark. 67 would definitely seem up there, but not unheard of.

Thanks Peregrinus. You did the homework. Claiming someone has stolen content is a big mistake to make, would hate to be wrong and awkwardly accuse someone. I'd hate even more to be right about it though :c

Thanks again Peregrinus <3


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 13:59:51 (edited 2018-06-16 14:01:13)


@Quarl regarding the deleted review, it's against the review guidelines to accuse a user of stolen content in the review space, or to rate a submission based on that kind of hunch rather than judging the content itself.

If you're wrong, it could create a negative wave of ratings based on that misinformation, & even if you're 100% right in a review like that it's liable to be deleted for consistency & to discourage others doing the same. Just use flags / PMs / this thread instead.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-16 15:00:22


At 6/16/18 01:59 PM, Jackho wrote: Just use flags / PMs / this thread instead.

Makes perfect sense. Sorry bae.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-17 12:47:32


About to hit 100 flags today (playing catch up), if anyone wants freebies there are a few versions of Childish Gambino's "This Is America" floating around.

I wanted to put this one here for input:

The profile shares a name with the YouTube user, so there is a chance it's legit (I hope it is, it's nice music). There aren't any link-outs to the creators Twitter/YouTube/SoundCloud. I just didn't want this one to be lost in the mix because I'm not solidly convinced it is stolen.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-17 12:51:36


Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-21 22:32:31


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-21 22:36:15


At 6/21/18 10:32 PM, Jackho wrote: dumb.jpg

Makes perfect sense to me :)


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-06-27 05:36:12


sweep swoop you can just google these songs to find their original sources <3

some of these even state in the description they're from a game so

for these ones the accounts are pretending to be the original creators. im p sure these composers arent on newgrounds. there's no information anywhere, and their pages are far too blank to be legit.

thats all from me today )///

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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-07-07 05:27:03 (edited 2018-07-07 05:37:55)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but remixes of copyrighted music are not okay. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure someone like Selena Gomez copyrights their stuff.

This also seems very copyrighted, and not even a remix, just the original.


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-07-07 06:03:28 (edited 2018-07-07 06:06:21)


At 7/7/18 05:27 AM, Thegamingtrickster wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but remixes of copyrighted music are not okay.

Both gone. Good job. The first one was a remix but it was stolen outright from youtube.

Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-07-07 07:05:53 (edited 2018-07-07 07:18:14)


I think I've confirmed this one is taken straight from the original author, without changes, but I haven't had time to verify the second one, though they are by the same original author and uploader and they're both the original lengths


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Response to Audio Portal Cleanup 2018-07-07 07:21:41


At 7/7/18 07:05 AM, Thegamingtrickster wrote: I think I've confirmed this one is taken straight from the original author, without changes, but I haven't had time to verify the second one, though they are by the same original author and uploader and they're both the original lengths

Both were by MiatriSs, and both are now gone.


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