At 3/18/06 02:35 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 3/18/06 02:17 PM, -Hellraiser- wrote:

the Ghould said you were out
that means you're not in

I thought it was Goatchrist's decision..=/

I don't recall this becoming The Ghoul's club. (no offense to you Ghoul)

At 3/18/06 04:09 PM, CowsCanBark wrote:

At 3/18/06 02:35 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 3/18/06 02:17 PM, -Hellraiser- wrote:

the Ghould said you were out
that means you're not in

I thought it was Goatchrist's decision..=/

I don't recall this becoming The Ghoul's club. (no offense to you Ghoul)

I thought he was some kind of second commander or something :S

At 3/18/06 07:33 AM, X_Imperium_X wrote:

They aren't a metal band, though.

they never really did sound metal lol

The nine members don't do anything. Thier vocalist is mediocre at best, they have three USELESS guitarists that have no skill and no good riffs at all.

i have only heard one song...sounded shit

The bass is just about non-existant.

on top of all the shit noise they call metal of course not!

They have a DJ for samples (linkin park, anyone?).

lol

They have a ton of percussionists. Joey Jordison has a limited amount of skill, he is probably the most talented member,

it's official, I turned into an industrial fan, I never heard Fear Factory until today. Fuck they rock

At 3/18/06 06:43 PM, duffeknol wrote: it's official, I turned into an industrial fan, I never heard Fear Factory until today. Fuck they rock

hmm im looking for some new music to put on my mp3...mind telling a couple of there songs?

At 3/18/06 06:45 PM, LoStIe wrote:

At 3/18/06 06:43 PM, duffeknol wrote: it's official, I turned into an industrial fan, I never heard Fear Factory until today. Fuck they rock

hmm im looking for some new music to put on my mp3...mind telling a couple of there songs?

Their song Zero Signal from their album Demanufacture is my personal favourite. Also Human Shield and School from Archetype are really really cool

At 3/18/06 02:17 PM, -Hellraiser- wrote: but i listen to anything u can mosh to.

This is the gayest statement OF THE YEAR

At 3/18/06 06:57 PM, duffeknol wrote:

Their song Zero Signal from their album Demanufacture is my personal favourite. Also Human Shield and School from Archetype are really really cool

holy shit man they fucking rule!!! zero signal sounds awesome

At 3/18/06 07:13 PM, LoStIe wrote:

At 3/18/06 06:57 PM, duffeknol wrote:

Their song Zero Signal from their album Demanufacture is my personal favourite. Also Human Shield and School from Archetype are really really cool

holy shit man they fucking rule!!! zero signal sounds awesome

glad you like it too :D

can somebody give me some industrial bands that dont go to over the top? i need to fill up the mp3 player lol

At 3/18/06 08:41 PM, LoStIe wrote: can somebody give me some industrial bands that dont go to over the top? i need to fill up the mp3 player lol

Strapping Young Lad, Frontline Assembly, Fear Factory, Rammstein
and maybe you'll like some '...and Oceans' as well

At 3/18/06 04:09 PM, CowsCanBark wrote:

At 3/18/06 02:35 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 3/18/06 02:17 PM, -Hellraiser- wrote:

the Ghould said you were out
that means you're not in

I thought it was Goatchrist's decision..=/

I don't recall this becoming The Ghoul's club. (no offense to you Ghoul)

All I did was recommend to him that he go to the other club.

At 3/18/06 08:58 PM, duffeknol wrote:

At 3/18/06 08:41 PM, LoStIe wrote: can somebody give me some industrial bands that dont go to over the top? i need to fill up the mp3 player lol

Strapping Young Lad, Frontline Assembly, Fear Factory, Rammstein
and maybe you'll like some '...and Oceans' as well

Ya, but this is METAL hell. Keep it on metal.

Oh, and anybody know the Hyrule Castle melody from Super Smash Brothers Melee? I'm making a REALLY melodic fast black metal song out of it. Imagine COF meets MayheM with lots of swirling fog.

oh, and how much did everybody drink for Saint Patrick's day? I drank some vodka, some kahlua, some kahlua espresso, some whiskey, some irish whiskey, some rum, and smoked a gram of weed.

Now that I don't remember anything else about that day, what did y'all drink that day?

At 3/19/06 12:17 AM, The_Ghoul wrote: oh, and how much did everybody drink for Saint Patrick's day? I drank some vodka, some kahlua, some kahlua espresso, some whiskey, some irish whiskey, some rum, and smoked a gram of weed.

Now that I don't remember anything else about that day, what did y'all drink that day?

i had straight wild turkey, wild turkey and coke, some vodka and thats about it basicaly

Anti_pie
Hellraiser,

I agree with almost everyone and say the Metalcore/Nu-Metal club is a better place for you.

At 3/19/06 12:17 AM, The_Ghoul wrote: Now that I don't remember anything else about that day, what did y'all drink that day?

I don't drink alcohol \m/

Here's a belated St Pattys day present for Metal Hell

http://www.savefile...iles.php?fid=4374726

Some zines wanted a copy of my Arterial Hemorrhage 'Grind Or Die' EP for reviewing, so instead of emailing/sending a bunch of copies off to them, I just uploaded it to the net. Then I figured I'd share the love around :)

So yeah, if you're into sludgy death/grind, you'll probably enjoy this.

Don't hesitate to share it around...there's 4 or 5 people on DC++ sharing the old unmixed version if you're interested at all :P

At 3/19/06 05:05 AM, Goatchrist wrote: Anti_pie
Hellraiser,

I agree with almost everyone and say the Metalcore/Nu-Metal club is a better place for you.

I agree with GChrist,he's the God here...

At 3/19/06 11:12 AM, ondskapelsen wrote:

At 3/19/06 05:05 AM, Goatchrist wrote: Anti_pie
Hellraiser,

I agree with almost everyone and say the Metalcore/Nu-Metal club is a better place for you.

I agree with GChrist,he's the God here...

Satan >:(

At 3/19/06 11:46 AM, duffeknol wrote:

At 3/19/06 11:12 AM, ondskapelsen wrote:

At 3/19/06 05:05 AM, Goatchrist wrote:

I agree with GChrist,he's the God here...

Satan >:(

Yes. Sorry,you're right. My mistake... :D

I know they seem too damn popular for here, but check out Pretty Hate Machine by Nine Inch Nails for some kickass true industrial. Thier newer stuff is good, but its more industrial/rock.

Also, Ghoul - that zelda track sounds fuckin awesome! I hope it goes well...

Whoa... I was gone for one day and suddenly all Metal Hell broke loose. I guess you only get conversation when someone makes a controversial statement...

And, BTW, I'd really LOVE to hear a Hyrule Black Metal song! ^^ Is it going to have lyrics? I couldn't possibly imagine satanic lyrics to such a song... o.O' Well, anyhow, I wanna hear that thing once it comes out!

At 3/19/06 12:27 PM, Tuovila wrote: Whoa... I was gone for one day and suddenly all Metal Hell broke loose. I guess you only get conversation when someone makes a controversial statement...

And, BTW, I'd really LOVE to hear a Hyrule Black Metal song! ^^ Is it going to have lyrics? I couldn't possibly imagine satanic lyrics to such a song... o.O' Well, anyhow, I wanna hear that thing once it comes out!

No satanic lyrics, sorry... I don't write satanic lyrics anymore. Just weird, philosophical, and grim lyrics.

And there are going to be LOTS of keys.

I'm sorry for double posting, but...
Since joining Metal Hell I've been trying to find out "what metal is"... And why certain bands (you all know what bands *coughslpkntetc.cough*) are not classified as metal even though they have the message and heaviness in their music. Now I think I've come across one idea I could very well agree with. This was taken from another topic, but the poster never mentioned the source, so I have really no way of knowing if it's originally from Metal Hell itself:

METAL:

"Metal is best defined by it's use of complex guitars. It can range greatly, bands with heavier bass/drums are usualy considered heavy metal, stuff with dual guitars at a fast pace is grindcore, etc. etc.

This is the reason why bands like Slipknot are NOT metal. Jim plays several chords, but only in a few songs does he change. This isn't to say he's a bad guitarist, it's just to say that's all the songs call for. Mick is just 'noise' guitar, if you've seen them in concert you'll know he plays very little variations. Yet, Chris and Shawn both play their custom precussion, along with Joey's drum, which gives SK a very heavy, primal sound. Few bands achieve this sound, and Slipknot is very hard to categorize because of this, but a general name for it would be just plain ole hard rock.

Bands like Nightwish use the complex guitars, mixed with classical vocals and a VERY skilled keyboardist xHe is one of the nastiest out there, if you know anything about keyboards) to do much like slipknot do, and give themselves their own unique sound. But, because the basic feel is that of a fairly fast paced, complex guitarist, it can be generaly categorized as metal.

The key to categorizing bands is breaking down their formula. You find what the center of the band is, what the supporting pieces are, vocals, etc, then look at the band. Korn is in no way metal, because of the expansive bass lines they use, Disturbed focuses heavily on it's vocalist and the rest of the band uses a basic heavy rock sound to support it." -Not by me.

So there. I think this might have some truth to it, don't you? As I'm sure everyone already knows , I'm a huge fan of Disturbed and had some trouble understanding the weird quircks of categorizing hard/heavy music. Now my tormented soul might finally find some peace...

....okay.. go on and dump this theory... If you can...

That was pretty good text. I think you're right,but I dunno isn't SlipKnoT metal,cuz I like it an' the sound is really hard to say is it Nu-Metal,or Heavy-Metal or something,but my opinion is,that the band is somekinda metal,but i dunno is it Nu-Metal,cuz it isn't sound like that...
But Tuovila,I liked your theory.
Good luck!

At 3/19/06 01:12 PM, Tuovila wrote: I'm sorry for double posting, but...
Since joining Metal Hell I've been trying to find out "what metal is"... And why certain bands (you all know what bands *coughslpkntetc.cough*) are not classified as metal even though they have the message and heaviness in their music. Now I think I've come across one idea I could very well agree with. This was taken from another topic, but the poster never mentioned the source, so I have really no way of knowing if it's originally from Metal Hell itself:

METAL:

"Metal is best defined by it's use of complex guitars. It can range greatly, bands with heavier bass/drums are usualy considered heavy metal, stuff with dual guitars at a fast pace is grindcore, etc. etc.

This is the reason why bands like Slipknot are NOT metal. Jim plays several chords, but only in a few songs does he change. This isn't to say he's a bad guitarist, it's just to say that's all the songs call for. Mick is just 'noise' guitar, if you've seen them in concert you'll know he plays very little variations. Yet, Chris and Shawn both play their custom precussion, along with Joey's drum, which gives SK a very heavy, primal sound. Few bands achieve this sound, and Slipknot is very hard to categorize because of this, but a general name for it would be just plain ole hard rock.

Bands like Nightwish use the complex guitars, mixed with classical vocals and a VERY skilled keyboardist xHe is one of the nastiest out there, if you know anything about keyboards) to do much like slipknot do, and give themselves their own unique sound. But, because the basic feel is that of a fairly fast paced, complex guitarist, it can be generaly categorized as metal.

The key to categorizing bands is breaking down their formula. You find what the center of the band is, what the supporting pieces are, vocals, etc, then look at the band. Korn is in no way metal, because of the expansive bass lines they use, Disturbed focuses heavily on it's vocalist and the rest of the band uses a basic heavy rock sound to support it." -Not by me.

So there. I think this might have some truth to it, don't you? As I'm sure everyone already knows , I'm a huge fan of Disturbed and had some trouble understanding the weird quircks of categorizing hard/heavy music. Now my tormented soul might finally find some peace...

....okay.. go on and dump this theory... If you can...

Agreed. Also, Rammstein isn't metal, simply because they play sparse and rather primal rhythms, over drums that do the same; the music is transparent, and there is no complexity to the rhythms and no technical sort of atmosphere; just industrial keyboards and more electronically influenced passages. Now, if the band were, perse, to make a song where the guitars made an atmosphere, rather than the keyboards, it would be metal.

Poison isn't metal simply because they play simple, poppy guitars ver simple, poppy drums. The order of their significance goes drums<guitars<singing<image. Not metal.

a7x isn't metal because they use punk influenced, simple guitar work that doesn't lead the listener, and whiny sounding punkish vocals. Not to say one can't blend metal with punk, it's just that a7x is more like a punk band in their song structure and sound. They are merely a heavy punk band with distant metal influences.

One common denominator of all 3 bands I listed is that the guitarwork and song structure is simple and non-atmospheric; the bands center around vocals (and keys and fire, in Rammstein's case) and lack the driving metal complexity. Simply put, while on the outside it looks metal, the spirit and inside force of metal is absent, and is fundementally different than metal.

Thanks Juho for starting this, that was insightful. Oh, and another reason Korn isn't metal is because the guitars function only as a rhythm back up for the bass and vocals. In other words, the bass and Jonathan Davis are assraping the guitars like crazy in their music. Plus, the drums merely function as a metronome, not as any source of musical derivation. Usually, in metal, the drums add something to the music. In Korn, they're simply a timekeeper.

Damn, this is a metal crew and yet theres nothing about Randy Rhoads today? Id say any metalhead woth their chops knows who Randy was, and what he did for metal in general.

At 3/19/06 10:36 PM, someoneudontknow1 wrote: Damn, this is a metal crew and yet theres nothing about Randy Rhoads today? Id say any metalhead woth their chops knows who Randy was, and what he did for metal in general.

doesnt mean we have to talk about him every day.

yesterday was the 24th anniversary of his death numbnuts.