At 12/21/16 11:46 PM, Zornuzkull wrote:
Maybe people don't like the idea of posting something that they think is metal just to be told it isn't... Or maybe you guys should be grateful for what little activity you get on here I sure as shit would be... Also metal archives is fucking shit stop pretending they are the authority on these things when they clearly are not...
No, son. Why would we be grateful that people drop in here to talk about non-metal bands? You're missing the point completely because you're refusing to accept the basics of the discussion. The thing is that we disagree with the idea that nu-metal would be a sub-genre of metal.
Now if I was to start talking about how I like all the nice electronic ambient artists and that someone was to tell me that these artists do not belong in this club? Would you serve us the same kind of rhetoric as to how we're being so ungrateful and whatnot?
And what if peole don't like being told that what they like is not metal? Are we supposed to say sorry and just accept whatever music that isn't metal in here? Black Veil Brides is not a metal band, k? Simple. Doesn't mean you can't like them, but they are not metal. I've heard this kind of lousy arguments about how metalcore is so metal from people who listen to metalcore and metalcore only. Like they really really really really really want to be part of the club, but they don't like any black metal, any death, any doom, any stoner, any drone, any blackened death, any thrash (except for Slayer and Metallica) and they haven't heard anything about heavy metal beyond Maiden and Sabbath. Why the fuck do you care if it's not metal? We've all responded pretty much the same way to this and we were all very polite. We all said that it doesn't mean it's not good. It means that Rammstein is NDH and barely as anything to do with metal.
It's also quite annoying that you refuse to debate on if something is metal or not by trying to prove that the music is metal, and that instead you choose to pick on the fact that we care about keeping the Metal Hell about metal music.
You want to debate and tell us that you think Kvelertak or Stolen Babies are metal enough to be discussed in here and you want to provide points to prove they are? Then be my guest! You're welcome to do it.
And no, Metal Archives is not fucking shit, and yes, they are a kind of authority. For one thing because they are the biggest and most accurate database for metal music IN THE WORLD, and also because there is no kind of similar database for other genres. It's a vast community with a lot of people involved, and even if some bad decisions are made sometimes on this website, they usually are pretty accurate.
At 12/22/16 12:21 AM, Zornuzkull wrote:
Led Zeppelin were one of the founders of the genre along with black sabbath and deep purple...
Shit is always more complex than anyone likes to pretend... I'm pretty sure they cranked out a bit of metal in there time along with blues folk and that psychedelic shit...
Yeah, and UFO were also a proto-metal band. We can all agree on this. Are they a metal band though?
It sure doesn't mean that you can't bring these bands up. It just means that if you want to join the Metal Hell and that what you give us as your favorite metal bands is AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Kansas, Aerosmith and The Rolling Stones, then maybe you're not in the right place.
The fact that this club is less active these days (as the rest of Newgrounds is) shouldn't matter as to what we talk about in here. If the litterature club starts to get less active, are they going to just talk about whatever comic books, newspaper and stories from the back of cereal boxes?
Again, if you want to debate the metalness of some artists, or provide us links or explanations as to what you think was metal in Led Zeppelin, we're not going to tell you not to. But this club should still be about metal.
