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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-26 12:54:34


At 9/26/14 12:44 PM, CiviLies wrote: I'll briefly interject to say that while I haven't yet listened to "Death Magnetic" (getting around to it, but thanks for all the other recommendations everybody!!), I am a fan of a lot of Rubin's earlier work. I mean,

I'll just go ahead and say that I like some of his earlier stuff too. But nowadays it's like he doesn't even care or listens to it.

I know a lot of people here probably don't think very much of hip hop, but I can personally appreciate the role he's played in many hip hop artists' early careers.

You'd be surprised.....I'm sure theres a few people here who listen to hip hop and/or rap.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-26 16:31:58


At 9/26/14 12:02 PM, Viper wrote: Looky looky what came in the mail for me today.

Very nice gear :D

So who are the horsemen now anyways?

Sense, Murray, me and... I'm tempted to say Ghoul...? But I'm not a hundred percent sure about that last one. But that would make sense.

At 9/26/14 12:44 PM, CiviLies wrote: I'll briefly interject to say that while I haven't yet listened to "Death Magnetic" (getting around to it, but thanks for all the other recommendations everybody!!), I am a fan of a lot of Rubin's earlier work. I mean, I know a lot of people here probably don't think very much of hip hop, but I can personally appreciate the role he's played in many hip hop artists' early careers.

What good hip-hop albums/artists did he produce?

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-26 22:24:51 (edited 2014-09-26 22:30:09)


At 9/26/14 04:31 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 9/26/14 12:44 PM, CiviLies wrote: I'll briefly interject to say that while I haven't yet listened to "Death Magnetic" (getting around to it, but thanks for all the other recommendations everybody!!), I am a fan of a lot of Rubin's earlier work. I mean, I know a lot of people here probably don't think very much of hip hop, but I can personally appreciate the role he's played in many hip hop artists' early careers.
What good hip-hop albums/artists did he produce?

He's credited with producing the albums Radio and Walking with a Panther by LL Cool J, License to Ill by the Beastie Boys, Yo! Bum Rush the Show! and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy, The Geto Boys by Geto Boys, and Mack Daddy by Sir Mix-A-Lot, along with some of the accompanying singles of those albums.

He probably did more hip hop albums, though.

Edit: OH, but my favorite ones are probably License to Ill, the PE ones, and LL Cool J's Radio. I personally consider those albums to be true classics in the early hip hop era. I think "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back" is probably the one I like the absolute most out of all the ones listed, but it's hard for me to decide.

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-27 00:09:31


At 9/26/14 10:24 PM, CiviLies wrote: He's credited with producing the albums Radio and Walking with a Panther by LL Cool J, License to Ill by the Beastie Boys, Yo! Bum Rush the Show! and It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back by Public Enemy, The Geto Boys by Geto Boys, and Mack Daddy by Sir Mix-A-Lot, along with some of the accompanying singles of those albums.

From what I know, these are considered very good rap albums. It sure is good to have these on your résumé.

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-27 05:44:57


For abrasive production, Nattens Madrigal always comes to mind. It's like they covered the mics with tin cans. There's lots of good music with fuzzy recording, but I tend not to listen to much music with particularly fucked up or "kvlt" sounding production even though I have some in my collection. I seem to recall Pagan Black Act by Darkestrah being a bit hard on the ears. Ingentes Atque Decorii Vexilliferi Apokalypsis and Evoco Bestias by Fleurety as well. I would also say a Darker Shade of Evil, but it's more that Alexander Nordgaren's shrieking on that is just really fucking annoying. It actually permanently damaged his voice, putting Svein on lead vocals for following albums. I much prefer their two full lengths over all the EPs. Those are excellent. I wish they'd go back in that direction.

At 9/26/14 12:54 PM, Viper wrote:
At 9/26/14 12:44 PM, CiviLies wrote:
You'd be surprised.....I'm sure theres a few people here who listen to hip hop and/or rap.

Not a lot of rap for me now, just a tiny bit of stuff on occasion, mostly things I listened to when I was into rap (and nu-metal etc.) in my early-mid teens with a few newer exceptions. Hip hop in general, on the other hand, I listen to a good amount of trip hop and istrumental stuff, electronic/hip hop and the like.

At 9/26/14 04:31 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
So who are the horsemen now anyways?
Sense, Murray, me and... I'm tempted to say Ghoul...? But I'm not a hundred percent sure about that last one. But that would make sense.

Yeah, Ghoul.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-27 14:06:11


At 9/27/14 05:44 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: For abrasive production, Nattens Madrigal always comes to mind. It's like they covered the mics with tin cans. There's lots of good music with fuzzy recording, but I tend not to listen to much music with particularly fucked up or "kvlt" sounding production even though I have some in my collection. I seem to recall Pagan Black Act by Darkestrah being a bit hard on the ears. Ingentes Atque Decorii Vexilliferi Apokalypsis and Evoco Bestias by Fleurety as well. I would also say a Darker Shade of Evil, but it's more that Alexander Nordgaren's shrieking on that is just really fucking annoying. It actually permanently damaged his voice, putting Svein on lead vocals for following albums. I much prefer their two full lengths over all the EPs. Those are excellent. I wish they'd go back in that direction.

We've discussed Nattens Madrigal in the past, and I think we all ended up agreeing that the production wasn't helping the album. There is some well written black metal under that painful production, and I have to say that I can't really listen to the whole thing in one sitting as it gets really unpleasant really quickly.

I usually do not mind lo-fi production, like what Alcest did on their 2001 demo entitled Tristesse Hivernale. The production really makes the details hard to hear, and some could argue that it doesn't help the drums shine, but it's an aesthetic choice I can understand. But with Nattens Madrigal, the guitars and generally all high range notes we're mixed so much higher in the mix, that you can't hear anything else, and it ruins your ears if you turn the volume up to hear the bass guitar.

I'll give that Darker Shade of Evil EP by Fleurety a listen to try and hear what you mean. Maybe the other albums two.

Not a lot of rap for me now, just a tiny bit of stuff on occasion, mostly things I listened to when I was into rap (and nu-metal etc.) in my early-mid teens with a few newer exceptions. Hip hop in general, on the other hand, I listen to a good amount of trip hop and istrumental stuff, electronic/hip hop and the like.

A little hip-hop for me, like A Tribe Called Quest, T.I., Swollen Members, Loco Locass and Manu Militari (last two are Quebec hip-hop artists) and also this group that was signed by Mike Patton, dälek. They make such interesting rap, it's amazing.

Otherwise I do pretty much the same as you, I listen to some trip-hop, electronic ambient stuff with some hip-hop elements, or just music that combines rap/hip-hop to other styles. I'm not talking about the lame club music with the short hip-hop sections or nu-metal, though. These aren't mixes I've ever really liked.

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-27 19:31:45


At 9/27/14 02:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'll give that Darker Shade of Evil EP by Fleurety a listen to try and hear what you mean. Maybe the other albums two.

I haven't listened to the songs from it in a very long time because I honestly didn't like it. I only heard them because they were bonus tracks on the rerelease of Min Tid Skaal Komme, which I absolutely love along with Department of Apocalyptic Affairs. But they sort of regressed to lo fi fuzzy wall of noise BM with the EPs they did after that. Though they are rerecordings afterall, but with guests like Hellhammer.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-28 21:01:10


At 9/26/14 04:31 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Very nice gear :D

Thanks. Put me back like $60 but it was worth it. I mean it'd probably end up costing me a ton more if I bought each thing piece by piece. Also I don't think you can see it but theres a tiny pin thats an upside down Ankh pin that says Electric on top and Wizard on the bottom. Oh and I have a new single by Electric Wizard coming for me in the mail too and am tempted to order the new Orange Goblin album too.

Sense, Murray, me and... I'm tempted to say Ghoul...? But I'm not a hundred percent sure about that last one. But that would make sense.

Ah okay. And yeah that'd make sense.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-28 23:05:51


At 9/28/14 09:01 PM, Viper wrote: Thanks. Put me back like $60 but it was worth it. I mean it'd probably end up costing me a ton more if I bought each thing piece by piece. Also I don't think you can see it but theres a tiny pin thats an upside down Ankh pin that says Electric on top and Wizard on the bottom. Oh and I have a new single by Electric Wizard coming for me in the mail too and am tempted to order the new Orange Goblin album too.

I've never heard anything by Orange Goblin, but I should check them out. Also, how do you think that the new Electric Wizard does compared to say... Dopethrone and/or Witchcult Today?

Ah okay. And yeah that'd make sense.

Sense confirmed that I was right about Ghoul being one of the horsemen.

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-28 23:32:08


At 9/28/14 11:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I've never heard anything by Orange Goblin, but I should check them out.

If you want a good album to start with, try either (I'll post a song from each)
The Big Black
Coup de Grace

Ben Ward + John Garcia is fucking amazing to me

Eulogy For The Damned
or Frequencies From Planet Ten.

that^ is my favorite Orange Goblin song
Also, how do you think that the new Electric Wizard does compared to say... Dopethrone and/or Witchcult Today?

Well this is my opinion. It's a good album. And honestly I think it's better than Black Masses and probably on par with somewhere between Witchcult Today and We Live. And there are instances where you can really hear Dopethrone-esque moments (considering it has 2/3 of the Dopethrone line-up thats no surprise) but I'd still say Dopethrone is better. Also, if you really like Dopethrone you'll like how they ended the the last track Saturn Dethroned.
Thats all I'm going to say.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-29 11:40:58


So Black Sabbath have announced they're planning one last album and a final tour. Though the dates of both of those are unknown.

as far as I know

Also, I have a very strong feeling that this is really going to be it. I mean Ozzy still has obligations for his solo career and has like 3 more albums to do under his current contract and Tony is still battling cancer. So with mainly the latter in mind, I can't see them wanting to go on any further considering the circumstances.
So if you haven't seen Sabbath live this may be your last chance ever to do so.

I'm also pretty stoked they're doing another album because I have some weird ocd where I probably would have flipped if they didn't release another album and left off at 19 albums instead of 20.

counting Seventh Star and Born Again even though those aren't technically Black Sabbath albums

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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-30 01:48:11


Sean Reinert and Paul Masvidal revealed their homosexuality in May of 2014

I just stumbled upon this interview on Metal Archives after I wanted to do some digging on the band's early history because I just received the Focus extended edition album for my birthday. But... is it me or did the whole metal world already figured this out a while ago?

They also talk about their bad experiences with homophobic crowds and how they think that the metal world has evolved, which I believe is true. And it got me thinking about how amazing the metal community is. (The real one, not that nu-metal fucktard teenage pseudo metal community), the real thing. I know that some closed-communities like a moderately important chunk of the black metal community is still largely homophobic, but as a whole, metal seems to be leaning on a more open and accepting behavior towards historically discriminated minorities.

And I think that's great! We have great music, and great people :)

Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-30 14:41:38


At 9/30/14 01:48 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Sean Reinert and Paul Masvidal revealed their homosexuality in May of 2014

I just stumbled upon this interview on Metal Archives after I wanted to do some digging on the band's early history because I just received the Focus extended edition album for my birthday. But... is it me or did the whole metal world already figured this out a while ago?

I knew about Masvidal, but didn't know Reinert was, too. Didn't really care anyway.

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Hellhammer. What a twat. But a great drummer.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-09-30 19:24:28


At 9/29/14 11:40 AM, Viper wrote: Also, I have a very strong feeling that this is really going to be it. I mean Ozzy still has obligations for his solo career and has like 3 more albums to do under his current contract and Tony is still battling cancer. So with mainly the latter in mind, I can't see them wanting to go on any further considering the circumstances.

This is such a bad way to create art... A fucking contract with a set number of records to produce... Call me an idealist... but how are you supposed to avoid releasing commercial crap if your main motivation to write music is "I have a contract which says "3 more albums by 2020" on it. Jeez!

So if you haven't seen Sabbath live this may be your last chance ever to do so.

I've never really perceived the actual band as being Black Sabbath... even if it is composed mainly of original members of the band. I think that the 80's Ozzy just wasn't the dick he is right now... and it might affect my abilities to perceive this band as the authentic band with great musicianship and passion they were when they released Master Of Reality and Paranoid.

But with you saying that this might actually be their last tour for real... it kind of makes me want to change my views on the subject. It would still be Geezer Butler, Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osbourne playing Sweet Leaf, Iron Man, War Pigs, and Into The Void. I think I might try to get some tickets for their last tour.

I'm also pretty stoked they're doing another album because I have some weird ocd where I probably would have flipped if they didn't release another album and left off at 19 albums instead of 20.

I still haven't given 13 a listen...

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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-01 01:29:23


At 9/30/14 07:24 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: This is such a bad way to create art... A fucking contract with a set number of records to produce... Call me an idealist... but how are you supposed to avoid releasing commercial crap if your main motivation to write music is "I have a contract which says "3 more albums by 2020" on it. Jeez!

Yeah I know. It's a load of bull. I don't see why people are stuck to a whole "you gotta release x amount of albums" sorta deal. I really like what Ipecac does and only has bands signed on for a single album contract because they believe that labels shouldn't "own" artists.

I've never really perceived the actual band as being Black Sabbath... even if it is composed mainly of original members of the band. I think that the 80's Ozzy just wasn't the dick he is right now... and it might affect my abilities to perceive this band as the authentic band with great musicianship and passion they were when they released Master Of Reality and Paranoid.

Yeah I can kinda see your point. In some small way I don't really see them as the same Black Sabbath that they were when Master Of Reality or Paranoid were released. But thats to be expected when a band like that has been around for 4 1/2 decades and crazy amounts of shit happens.....

But with you saying that this might actually be their last tour for real... it kind of makes me want to change my views on the subject. It would still be Geezer Butler, Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osbourne playing Sweet Leaf, Iron Man, War Pigs, and Into The Void. I think I might try to get some tickets for their last tour.

....but with that being said, it's still well worth it to go see them live. Ozzy's voice is as strong as ever and Tony and Geezer still are able play as well as they ever have. Even with all the shit Tony has gone through throughout his life he's still going strong.

I still haven't given 13 a listen...

Really? Despite Rick Rubin butchering the production and making it so the guitars overpowered both the drums and bass most times it's a good album. Maybe not first 5 or 6 Sabbath albums good, but still good.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-01 02:41:39


At 10/1/14 01:29 AM, Viper wrote: Yeah I know. It's a load of bull. I don't see why people are stuck to a whole "you gotta release x amount of albums" sorta deal. I really like what Ipecac does and only has bands signed on for a single album contract because they believe that labels shouldn't "own" artists.

And I mean, if they liked the label's work on the album, the artists could eventually want to work with the same label, right?

....but with that being said, it's still well worth it to go see them live. Ozzy's voice is as strong as ever and Tony and Geezer still are able play as well as they ever have. Even with all the shit Tony has gone through throughout his life he's still going strong.

Awesome :)

I still haven't given 13 a listen...
Really? Despite Rick Rubin butchering the production and making it so the guitars overpowered both the drums and bass most times it's a good album. Maybe not first 5 or 6 Sabbath albums good, but still good.

Hahaha! Rick Rubin! So he messed up both Death Magnetic and 13's production? Perfect XD

I'll listen to 13 eventually, still :)

Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-01 12:25:37


At 10/1/14 02:41 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: And I mean, if they liked the label's work on the album, the artists could eventually want to work with the same label, right?

Yeah.

Awesome :)

The only thing Tony really screwed up on when I saw them was he fucked up halfway into Embryo and just bsed it for the rest before going into Children Of The Grave.

Hahaha! Rick Rubin! So he messed up both Death Magnetic and 13's production? Perfect XD

Yep haha. And apparently Black Sabbath are going to be working with him again. Lets hope he doesn't butcher what may be the final Sabbath album.

I'll listen to 13 eventually, still :)

It's a good album. The singles don't do it justice and if you get the Deluxe Edition you get an extra disc that has probably the best song on the entire album. Methademic. It's also got a neat looking holographic version of the cover art that makes the 13 look like it's on fire when you move it.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-01 14:27:20


went to see within temptation with a cousin and 2 friends last night

it was alright, not loud enough to require earplugs and i wouldn't go out my way to listen to them on my own time but it was better then seeing a band i love alone


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-01 15:04:34


At 10/1/14 12:25 PM, Viper wrote: The only thing Tony really screwed up on when I saw them was he fucked up halfway into Embryo and just bsed it for the rest before going into Children Of The Grave.

bsed? lol

Yep haha. And apparently Black Sabbath are going to be working with him again. Lets hope he doesn't butcher what may be the final Sabbath album.

Apparently that's something he seems to be good at... Maybe working with Slayer so much made him believe that all metal bands are fine with just having a shitload of distortion all over their drums and bass.

It's a good album. The singles don't do it justice and if you get the Deluxe Edition you get an extra disc that has probably the best song on the entire album. Methademic. It's also got a neat looking holographic version of the cover art that makes the 13 look like it's on fire when you move it.

I haven't heard the singles either, so there really isn't much of the actual content of the album that is holding me back from giving it a listen, except for these feelings I have toward the band that I've mentionned earlier, and also the fact that I can't help bu feel that they are just trying to cash in one or two last times on such a succesful name. But really, I should give the album a listen!

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At 10/1/14 03:04 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 10/1/14 12:25 PM, Viper wrote:
bsed? lol

Yeah. Like he just parted whatever he wanted because he's Tony Iommi and he does what he wants.

Apparently that's something he seems to be good at... Maybe working with Slayer so much made him believe that all metal bands are fine with just having a shitload of distortion all over their drums and bass.

Yeah that's probably it. Every band is different and as such should be treated at least a little bit differently when it comes to how things are handled in the studio.

I haven't heard the singles either, so there really isn't much of the actual content of the album that is holding me back from giving it a listen, except for these feelings I have toward the band that I've mentioned earlier, and also the fact that I can't help but feel that they are just trying to cash in one or two last times on such a succesful name.

Yeah that makes sense. I mean whenever any band that had as much history as Sabbath suddenly comes back after being inactive for years it feels like they're only doing so because they want money. Case in point Deep Purple. I love Deep Purple. But still think that their newest album is just them trying to get more money.

But really, I should give the album a listen!

Yeah. If you ever do let me know what you think.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-03 19:20:41


Quick!
If you could pick any Metal band to get their own ice cream who would it be and what would be in it?


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-04 00:23:55


At 10/3/14 07:20 PM, Viper wrote: Quick!
If you could pick any Metal band to get their own ice cream who would it be and what would be in it?

Anal Cunt, of course.

Anyone listen to the new Decapitated? It's quite good so far.

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At 10/3/14 07:20 PM, Viper wrote: Quick!
If you could pick any Metal band to get their own ice cream who would it be

Tankard

and what would be in it?

beer

In fact, forget the ice cream.

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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-05 10:49:03


What's everyone feeling about Electric Wizard's latest, Time to Die? I know it was mentioned a few pages back. I listened to it in full yesterday. It was very Electric Wizard, and I mean that in the greatest way.

Right up there with Come My Fanatics, which was previously my favorite EW album. Really liked "Destroy Those Who Love God" and "We Love The Dead."


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At 10/5/14 10:49 AM, saltovergray wrote: What's everyone feeling about Electric Wizard's latest, Time to Die? I know it was mentioned a few pages back. I listened to it in full yesterday. It was very Electric Wizard, and I mean that in the greatest way.

After listening to it more times I really like it. For me its one of those albums where you're super into it after first but after listening to it a few times it grows on you.

Right up there with Come My Fanatics, which was previously my favorite EW album. Really liked "Destroy Those Who Love God" and "We Love The Dead."

Though personally I wouldn't place it that high. Ranking for me it'd go:
1 Electric Wizard
2 Come My Fanatics
3 We Live
4 Dopethrone
5 Witchcult Today
6 Time To Die
7 Let Us Prey
8 Black Masses
And even with that ranking in mind, ever EW album is really good in their own way. And each have at least 2 songs that I'd place VERY highly on my top Doom Metal songs. For that, when it comes to Time To Die, would be Funeral Of Your Mind, Incense For The Damned, and We Love The Dead.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-09 18:20:15


New Acid King coming next year according to their Facebook page.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-20 20:30:37


And I am now the proud owner of the a cd copy of the album Headless Cross by Black Sabbath. Only cost $20.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-20 22:11:39


At 10/20/14 08:30 PM, Viper wrote: And I am now the proud owner of the a cd copy of the album Headless Cross by Black Sabbath. Only cost $20.

Are you going to frame it, or listen to it?


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At 10/20/14 10:11 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote:
At 10/20/14 08:30 PM, Viper wrote: And I am now the proud owner of the a cd copy of the album Headless Cross by Black Sabbath. Only cost $20.
Are you going to frame it, or listen to it?

Listen to it? The album is mildly hard to find but it's not like I'd frame it or something and never do anything with it. I AM going to frame my now signed Welcome To My Nightmare by Alice Cooper. Dunno when though.


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Response to Metal Hell 2014-10-21 17:45:58


New Summoning album being made. They need to ease up on the keys, IMO.


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