At 12/2/12 03:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Seriously. Just saying Nick Menza, Marty Friedman, David Ellefson and Dave Mustaine in the same sentence should give you a fucking hint.

fuckin' A, man. And have you heard Friedman's solo stuff? It freaking rocks. I think Music for Speeding is his most popular album. I'm not sure, but it definitely rules.

I don't like to compare them. I know we can't go talking about one without mentionning the other. But both bands have released amazing albums. If we avoid comparing them, we can conclude that both are legendary bands

I guess. I just think Metallica is really overrated. They've done good stuff, but even their best stuff doesn't measure up to other thrash albums like Rust in Peace, Peace Sells, Extreme Aggression, Alice in Hell, Never Neverland, Agent Orange, M-16, Black Future, No More Color, Mental Vortex, Spectrum of Death, Feel the Fire, and many others. All of those albums deserve to be recognized the way Metallica is. Metallica just don't deserve the level of fame they have, even for their first three albums. As good as those three are, they're not that great.

(Fuck LuLu and Risk though)

hah. I still haven't heard either of those. I also haven't heard Death Magnetic, St. Anger, or the World Needs a Hero. I heard frantic, though. There's a video on youtube that loops the "tick tick tick" part, which I find pretty funny.

At 12/2/12 04:34 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: fuckin' A, man. And have you heard Friedman's solo stuff? It freaking rocks. I think Music for Speeding is his most popular album. I'm not sure, but it definitely rules.

No I didn't. But I should. I think I'll do some research on this right away.

I guess. I just think Metallica is really overrated. They've done good stuff, but even their best stuff doesn't measure up to other thrash albums like Rust in Peace, Peace Sells, Extreme Aggression, Alice in Hell, Never Neverland, Agent Orange, M-16, Black Future, No More Color, Mental Vortex, Spectrum of Death, Feel the Fire, and many others. All of those albums deserve to be recognized the way Metallica is. Metallica just don't deserve the level of fame they have, even for their first three albums. As good as those three are, they're not that great.

Sure. If we are talking about celebrity and recognition. But music-wise. This band did release some pretty damn fine material. Kill 'Em All, ...And Justice For All, Ride The Lightning and even some of their most recent stuff is pretty well worth it.

(Fuck LuLu and Risk though)

hah. I still haven't heard either of those. I also haven't heard Death Magnetic, St. Anger, or the World Needs a Hero. I heard frantic, though. There's a video on youtube that loops the "tick tick tick" part, which I find pretty funny.

You aren't missing much with LuLu... and Risk is an abomination. Death Magnetic is pretty cool. I wrote a review for it recently. St. Anger isn't as horrible as everyone likes to say it is. If you can listen to it without thinking METALLICA SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS. There are some good moments on the album. Not a masterpiece in anyway though.

ahahahaha

At 12/2/12 09:49 PM, Tobi wrote: ahahahaha

This is the sad part about Running Wild. As good as they are, they did fall to repetition... I only wonder why Rolf reformed the band despite knowing the band was burned out on ideas. Their latest album only showed they didn't have any new ideas.

At 12/2/12 03:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Wait wait wait wait ! Are you saying that (better bands like) Cannibal Corpse and Slayer aren't getting enough attention because of bands like Megadeth ?! Not only is this false, but these bands are not better than Megadeth.

First of all, Cannibal Corpse (death metal) is not even remotely close to Megadeth (thrash metal). You happened to mention two other EXTREMELY mainstream bands at the same time which is not what I'm getting at. But Cannibal Corpse is a good example of what I'm talking about - why are these guys so popular when there's SO MANY better death metal bands out there, like Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Nile, Decapitated, Deeds of Flesh, and Aeon?

I find bands like Blood Tsunami and Municipal Waste to be better than Megadeth.

I find that use of mainstream to be innapropriate. Mainstream and popular are definitely not the same thing. This band isn't popular because they followed a trend or because they are generic enough to play on the radio. They are popular because they have influenced thrash metal and metal in general so much. You can't call such a creative band mainstream. It just doesn't make any sense.

They have influenced, yes. But mainly because they were one of the first. Just like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slayer, etc.

At 12/3/12 12:34 PM, mothballs wrote: why are these guys so popular when there's SO MANY better death metal bands out there,
Ace Ventura.

like Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Nile, Decapitated, Deeds of Flesh, and Aeon?

As far as I knew, all of these bands were very popular. Not to the scope of Cannibal Corpse, but it could only be your second or third day liking death metal, and you might already know half of those bands. Could just be that they are from my state, but Dying Fetus are pretty well known here, as are Clutch.

Also, did any of you check out Silicon Head? I'm not trying to be persistent, but some of you may be pleasantly surprised considering I hold them to be both groove and quality.

At 12/3/12 12:34 PM, mothballs wrote: I find bands like Blood Tsunami and Municipal Waste to be better than Megadeth.

While I don't agree with this, I must say Municipal Waste is fucking sick. Those guys rock hard. I've never listened to Blood Tsunami, tough. I'm off to Youtube right now.

I find modern thrash bands like Municipal waste to be tiring, and their lyrics are stupid too. My favorite type of thrash is old Kreator, Sodom, Dark Angel, Morbid Saint and stuff like that.

At 12/3/12 03:54 PM, DeIirium wrote: I find modern thrash bands like Municipal waste to be tiring, and their lyrics are stupid too. My favorite type of thrash is old Kreator, Sodom, Dark Angel, Morbid Saint and stuff like that.

I'm with you on those bands (except Dark Angel cuz I never properly checked them out) but there's a lot of awesome thrash that came out within this millennium. Have you heard Vektor, Witchery, or Skeletonwitch? I think they're all awesome, especially Vektor. In fact, I think Vektor's album, Black Future is one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time.

At 12/3/12 05:27 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/3/12 03:54 PM, DeIirium wrote:

I'm with you on those bands (except Dark Angel cuz I never properly checked them out) but there's a lot of awesome thrash that came out within this millennium. Have you heard Vektor, Witchery, or Skeletonwitch? I think they're all awesome, especially Vektor. In fact, I think Vektor's album, Black Future is one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time.

Vektor no, Witchery and Skeletonwitch I have listened to and semi-seen both of them live at festivals, I find them just ok.

At 12/3/12 03:54 PM, DeIirium wrote: Dark Angel

I only have Darkness Descends but Black Prophecies is a killer track. Personally I like both generations of thrash whether it be the classic 80s or the modern scene. A lot of good stuff has been heard from both.

At 12/3/12 05:27 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I'm with you on those bands (except Dark Angel cuz I never properly checked them out) but there's a lot of awesome thrash that came out within this millennium. Have you heard Vektor, Witchery, or Skeletonwitch? I think they're all awesome, especially Vektor. In fact, I think Vektor's album, Black Future is one of the greatest thrash metal albums of all time.

I love Vektor. A lot. I slightly prefer Outer Isolation over Black Future, but its not by much. The opener Cosmic Cortex, Tetrastructural Minds, and the title track are all fucking amazing. I haven't heard Witchery and I have heard some Skeletonwitch which I have enjoyed, but not a lot.

At 12/3/12 06:08 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/3/12 03:54 PM, DeIirium wrote: Dark Angel

I only have Darkness Descends but Black Prophecies is a killer track. Personally I like both generations of thrash whether it be the classic 80s or the modern scene. A lot of good stuff has been heard from both.

At 12/3/12 12:34 PM, mothballs wrote: First of all, Cannibal Corpse (death metal) is not even remotely close to Megadeth (thrash metal). You happened to mention two other EXTREMELY mainstream bands at the same time which is not what I'm getting at. But Cannibal Corpse is a good example of what I'm talking about - why are these guys so popular when there's SO MANY better death metal bands out there, like Dying Fetus, Suffocation, Nile, Decapitated, Deeds of Flesh, and Aeon?

I didn't chose these bands, you did. I just used your examples. And I still don't like that use of the word mainstream.

I find bands like Blood Tsunami and Municipal Waste to be better than Megadeth.

Yes yes. You can have your preferences. And Megadeth like Led Zeppelin is a popular band because of the place they took in the music's universe.

They have influenced, yes. But mainly because they were one of the first. Just like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slayer, etc.

Mainly ? Well I thought that was pretty much what "being one of the first" came with. Not only that, but they were highly influencial. And still a great band. I'm very surprised to hear people trying marginalize them based on the sole idea that they are "too popular". Can we talk about musicality and song-writting skills instead ?

At 12/3/12 03:54 PM, DeIirium wrote: I find modern thrash bands like Municipal waste to be tiring, and their lyrics are stupid too. My favorite type of thrash is old Kreator, Sodom, Dark Angel, Morbid Saint and stuff like that.

Morbid Saint is great. Love them. I don't know about the modern thrash part. But his is mainly because I don't know much modern thrash.

At 12/4/12 01:32 AM, Lasse wrote: i dont like metal

what should i listen to to change that

What do you like ?

Short melodic tracks with hooks
Lenghty etheral tracks or atmospheric
Instrumental or electronic (maybe both together ?)
Accoustic or Electric guitars ?
Fast or slow paced music ?

There are tons of metal. I believe anyone and everyone can find something they like in metal if they know where to look.

Ulver - Theme 3

At 12/3/12 07:16 PM, Zodir wrote: I love Vektor. A lot. I slightly prefer Outer Isolation over Black Future, but its not by much.

I'm only listening to Outer Isolation more since Black Future is not easy to find. It's like the album has gone out of print which is what happened to Enforcer's debut album and went for stupid amounts on Amazon for £40. Hopefully they do reissue Black Future soon enough.

At 12/3/12 03:03 PM, Tobi wrote: As far as I knew, all of these bands were very popular. Not to the scope of Cannibal Corpse, but it could only be your second or third day liking death metal, and you might already know half of those bands. Could just be that they are from my state, but Dying Fetus are pretty well known here, as are Clutch.

Yeah I know, those bands are pretty mainstream too but not to the extent of Cannibal Corpse. I could have used better examples, but I couldn't really come up with any off the top of my head.

Also, did any of you check out Silicon Head? I'm not trying to be persistent, but some of you may be pleasantly surprised considering I hold them to be both groove and quality.

I'll check them out in a few, my laptop broke so I've been needing to use library computers -_-

At 12/3/12 03:29 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: While I don't agree with this, I must say Municipal Waste is fucking sick. Those guys rock hard. I've never listened to Blood Tsunami, tough. I'm off to Youtube right now.

Trust me man, you will not be disappointed. They are almost as good as Kreator in my opinion.

At 12/3/12 07:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I didn't chose these bands, you did. I just used your examples. And I still don't like that use of the word mainstream.

Yes but I'm not comparing them to Megadeth, I'm just using them as other examples of mainstream bands. I'm sorry you don't like to use of the word "mainstream", but I don't know how else to say it.

Mainly ? Well I thought that was pretty much what "being one of the first" came with. Not only that, but they were highly influencial. And still a great band. I'm very surprised to hear people trying marginalize them based on the sole idea that they are "too popular". Can we talk about musicality and song-writting skills instead ?

Popularity and musicality usually go hand in hand, the more popular bands tend to sound more sellout and, sorry but mainstream. I'm not saying that is the case with all bands, but in general popularity has a lot to do with the way a band sounds.

At 12/4/12 10:42 AM, mothballs wrote: Popularity and musicality usually go hand in hand, the more popular bands tend to sound more sellout and, sorry but mainstream. I'm not saying that is the case with all bands, but in general popularity has a lot to do with the way a band sounds.

If you are talking about bands who sell-out and change their sound then yes, popularity has something to do with musicality. I will also agree that the degree of accessibility will also affect the popularity. But not only generic and mainstream bands get general recognition and popularity.

At 12/3/12 05:59 PM, DeIirium wrote: Vektor no

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FADd5rAznOc

At 12/3/12 07:16 PM, Zodir wrote: I haven't heard Witchery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19EuKYQ-13M

At 12/4/12 01:32 AM, Lasse wrote: i dont like metal

what should i listen to to change that

Can you give us a bit more to go on? Metal is quite a varied genre with many different sounds. What subgenre should we look to for making recommendations to you? traditional? power? thrash? black? death?

At 12/4/12 10:42 AM, mothballs wrote: Trust me man, you will not be disappointed. They are almost as good as Kreator in my opinion.

I gave them a brief listen. pretty good stuff. I like.

So I just heard Sleep cover Over The Mountain.
Hearing Al singing it is weird....I mean it's not an entirely bad cover....but I've heard better.

Here is the link if you wanna give it a listen....

So, I still have not been able to get a new cord for my eternal hard drive, which has all my stuff for the Metal Calender. And I doubt I will be able to get it before the new year. So, what is your suggestion, fellow Hellites (Hellions?)? What should I do about this?

Time to extand my Thrash Metal playlist.

Bands I already know (including crossover, mixed genres, prog, etc.) :

Municipal Waste
Watchtower
Morbid Saint
Meanstreak
Leeches Of Lore
Metallica
Kreator
Megadeth
S.O.D.
Eidolon
Nevermore
Darkane
Symphony X
Infernal Stronghold
Blind Guardian
Sodom
Slayer
Gojira

I'd like to get mostly recommandations of bands that would sound somewhat like the first eight bands I listed. Stuff with more obvious roots in Thrash Metal, it doesn't matter if it's crossover or a little more on the hardcore side or whatever. I want to get thrashy stuff.

Thanks fellow metalheads :)

Meanstreak - Nostradamus

At 12/5/12 04:40 PM, Zodir wrote: So, I still have not been able to get a new cord for my eternal hard drive, which has all my stuff for the Metal Calender. And I doubt I will be able to get it before the new year. So, what is your suggestion, fellow Hellites (Hellions?)? What should I do about this?

Exactly what cord do you need?
I always though we were called "Hellions"....
That other thing reminded me of this for some reason.

At 12/5/12 05:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Gojira

Ya know I never knew what genre to put them as on my computer.
So I just have them down as just Metal.
Which puts them in with: Ahab, Chrome Division, Cirith Ungol, Danzig, Iron Maiden (I only have Seventh Son for some reason), Judas Priest, Kvelertak, Ozzy Osbourne, Probot, Steelwing, Strage, VA albums I got from one place or another, and Wolfmother.
The reason I have some of those in there is because I was too lazy to put everything in it's place.

even though I like having things neat...

At 12/5/12 05:44 PM, Viper50 wrote:

At 12/5/12 04:40 PM, Zodir wrote: So, I still have not been able to get a new cord for my eternal hard drive, which has all my stuff for the Metal Calender. And I doubt I will be able to get it before the new year. So, what is your suggestion, fellow Hellites (Hellions?)? What should I do about this?

Exactly what cord do you need?
I always though we were called "Hellions"....
That other thing reminded me of this for some reason.

I need a mini-USB cord to connect my external hard drive to my laptop. The only ones I can find in stores are multipronged cords for 15 bucks and I wouldn't use more than half of the prongs.

At 12/5/12 05:55 PM, Zodir wrote: I need a mini-USB cord to connect my external hard drive to my laptop. The only ones I can find in stores are multipronged cords for 15 bucks and I wouldn't use more than half of the prongs.

Oh I know what you're talking about.
I found the cord I use for my external hard drive in my house...so I didn't exactly have to go looking for one.

The hard drive was free too....but its only like 300 Gb...I've been meaning to get a new one since it's completely filled up.

As for your cord I guess look around a little more, and if you can't find anything then get the $15 one. Granted you aren't going to use some of the prongs, but it's better to have something and not need it than it is to need something and not have it.

At 12/5/12 05:44 PM, Viper50 wrote:

At 12/5/12 05:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Gojira

Ya know I never knew what genre to put them as on my computer.
So I just have them down as just Metal.

Gojira is weird. They have groove metal, prog metal, death metal and even some thrash metal elements in their music.

At 12/5/12 05:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Coroner
Vektor
early Annihilator
Exodus
Evildead
Voivod
Carnivore
Vio-Lence
Anacrusis
Sadus
Aura Noir

At 12/5/12 05:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Time to extand my Thrash Metal playlist.

Attomica & Mutilator are two great Brazilian thrash bands. Especially Attomica's self titled album.

So I'm bidding on a glow in the dark Boris poster on eBay :3
If I win it it'll be a christmas present to myself haha.

At 12/5/12 06:36 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Gojira is weird. They have groove metal, prog metal, death metal and even some thrash metal elements in their music.

Yeah thats the main reason I had no clue what to put them as.
I have prog, death, and Thrash Metal on my computer and I had no idea which I should put them under.

At 12/5/12 04:40 PM, Zodir wrote: So, I still have not been able to get a new cord for my eternal hard drive, which has all my stuff for the Metal Calender. And I doubt I will be able to get it before the new year. So, what is your suggestion, fellow Hellites (Hellions?)? What should I do about this?

It's not an easy decision, especially when you have so little time left before the new year begins. The money might suck but if it recovers a lot of your files, then it would help to give up a bit of money just to be able to use your external hard drive again. Even with the certain thing you see wouldn't be of much use elsewhere, is it at least worth it to get access to the files?

At 12/5/12 06:36 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Gojira is weird. They have groove metal, prog metal, death metal and even some thrash metal elements in their music.

I'll be seeing them in March and I've yet to listen to them a lot. If it turns out I don't like them so much on stage, at least the money isn't such a big loss but Ghost alone should at least make the night for me.

At 12/5/12 07:15 PM, Viper50 wrote: Yeah thats the main reason I had no clue what to put them as.
I have prog, death, and Thrash Metal on my computer and I had no idea which I should put them under.

Make up your own genres then !