At 4/29/12 02:33 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 4/28/12 03:29 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: Did I ever say metalcore was shitty? Did I ever say I was angry? Jeez, puttin' words in my mouth. I'm not angry, nor do I have a problem with metalcore (I actually know personally a metalcore band) and I never said real metal wasn't cliche' either. I'm not a stereotypical "angry metalhead" because I listen to a shit ton of non-metal (think Combichrist, KMFDM, Oomph!, Coil, Tool, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Kansas, Journey, Buckethead, etc...)

Well this is what you wrote :

"If a metalcore band isn't going to make any money, it's not because metalcore isn't incessantly commercial, accessible, or mainstream. It's probably because there are OVER 9000 clones of DevilDriver, A7X, Beyond the Horizon, Job for a Cowboy, Hatebreed, etc... and the field is inundated with an oversupply." and "... if you are in a tech/crossover/hybrid/are these even genres?/whatever metalcore band than if you are, say, a black metal band, a power metal band, a doom metal band, a progressive metal band, or really any sort of metal that isn't watered down commercial pandering."

I kept both parts of your post in which you display some kind of disrespect toward the genre. And pardon me if I draw conclusions too fast, but usually the use of words like commercial and mainstream are pejorative, at least when used by people who really like music. Maybe this is what made me think that you didn't like Metalcore as a whole. Not that I disagree with you... the genre is still mainly oriented toward most commercial goals then metal. But still, I felt the need to say that it's not because you use any kind of core elements that you are systematicaly a commercial and mainstream band.

I never meant to say you were a bad person or some close-minded pissed-off metalhead. I was just referring to a typical (and still understandable) behavior of metalheads toward pretty much anything that includes "-core" elements.

I got ya, but I got sick of being tarred as a close minded metalhead right around the time I went through the phase of not liking black metal (around 2008). I have no problem with commercialism (I go to gothic industrial dance clubs a lot) as long as it's not blatant, shameless, and cloyingly dishonest commercialism. (I.e. they're TRYING to get MTV status and don't care about much else.)

Also, when I referred to "watered down metal) I was referring to bands like Metallica, Venom, Megadeth, Avantasia, and others who suck their label's cock for higher sales figures.

At 4/28/12 08:56 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Songwriters and performers tend to be on the nuts side. It helps with the whole visionary thing. Think Wacko Jacko, Attila Csihar, Per Yngve Ohlin (Dead), Jon Oliva, etc..

Don't forget Timo Tolkki. He went absolutely crazy in the mid 00s.

At 4/28/12 02:45 PM, AniMetal wrote: As for them being assholes, at least Dave Mustaine is insane. The guys in The Ocean just openly shit on other bands all the time, like when they opened for OTEP they posted about ten statuses about how fucking gay and pretentious OTEP are. I mean, even if you HATE a band, if you're fucking OPENING for them you don't insult them. That's just sick.

I guess they won't be opening up for other bands soon enough. :P Any band to do that at all are not one I'd like to see at all.

At 4/29/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 4/28/12 08:56 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Songwriters and performers tend to be on the nuts side. It helps with the whole visionary thing. Think Wacko Jacko, Attila Csihar, Per Yngve Ohlin (Dead), Jon Oliva, etc..

Don't forget Timo Tolkki. He went absolutely crazy in the mid 00s.

At 4/28/12 02:45 PM, AniMetal wrote: As for them being assholes, at least Dave Mustaine is insane. The guys in The Ocean just openly shit on other bands all the time, like when they opened for OTEP they posted about ten statuses about how fucking gay and pretentious OTEP are. I mean, even if you HATE a band, if you're fucking OPENING for them you don't insult them. That's just sick.

I guess they won't be opening up for other bands soon enough. :P Any band to do that at all are not one I'd like to see at all.

Has anyone been following Nachtmystium? Their latest few albums have become increasingly psychedelic, culminating in the album Addicts: Black Meddle pt. 2. It's almost like indie rock mixed with black metal and 80's era gothic rock ala The Cure. Also, the album is about spiraling, life-draining, hopeless, and suicidal addiction.

Also, in a similar vein, there's this really fucking cool band called Oranssi Pazuzu, which mix black metal with psychedelic rock and jazz to create what sounds like a black metal version of a black and white noir movie soundtrack. While not as black metal as the rest, it makes up for it by being saturated with dense, smoky, gritty, darkness. I give a strong recommendation to both these artists. (The album I have by Oranssi Pazuzu is Muukalainen Puhuu)

Shit didn't mean to quote all that text. ;)

At 4/29/12 01:12 PM, ElGhoulio wrote:
Also, in a similar vein, there's this really fucking cool band called Oranssi Pazuzu, which mix black metal with psychedelic rock and jazz to create what sounds like a black metal version of a black and white noir movie soundtrack. While not as black metal as the rest, it makes up for it by being saturated with dense, smoky, gritty, darkness. I give a strong recommendation to both these artists. (The album I have by Oranssi Pazuzu is Muukalainen Puhuu)

wow, they sound awsome, and i dont listen to Psychedelig Black Metal so much.Only weird thing is their name, in english its Orange Pazuzu (Pazuzu is a king of the Deamons of the Wind in Assyrian and Babylonian mythologies) and the name of the album is Stranger Talks its sounds weird because orange is not a really demonic colour.
And yes I am a finn

I just bought the new album "Municipal Waste" - "The Fatal Feast" ... 17 songs of pure thrash metal

At 4/29/12 01:12 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: Also, in a similar vein, there's this really fucking cool band called Oranssi Pazuzu

I have their album. It's awesome.

You should definitely check out Klabautamann if you haven't already. Merkur is especially great, but all of their albums are good.

At 4/29/12 03:28 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: I got ya, but I got sick of being tarred as a close minded metalhead right around the time I went through the phase of not liking black metal (around 2008). I have no problem with commercialism (I go to gothic industrial dance clubs a lot) as long as it's not blatant, shameless, and cloyingly dishonest commercialism. (I.e. they're TRYING to get MTV status and don't care about much else.)

Well, I don't hate popular music, but I hate musicians who do stuff to be popular and/or commercial. Usually, the results of such behavior show through the music in itself and what we get is always laughable and mediocre.

Anyway, I wasn't insulting you. At least we got this part clear.

Also, when I referred to "watered down metal) I was referring to bands like Metallica, Venom, Megadeth, Avantasia, and others who suck their label's cock for higher sales figures.

I don't if that's what happenned with Fleshgod Apocalypse, but they got so boring with their most recent album. They threw away most of what made they are great Tech Death band to replace it with mindless wannabe symphonic parts mixed with boring tremolo picking riffs.

At 4/29/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: Don't forget Timo Tolkki. He went absolutely crazy in the mid 00s.

The hell did he do to be considered "nuts" ? :P

I guess they won't be opening up for other bands soon enough. :P Any band to do that at all are not one I'd like to see at all.

They opened for Cynic and Scale The Summit, also. I guess they didn't say anything bad about these guys ;)

At 4/29/12 01:12 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: Has anyone been following Nachtmystium? Their latest few albums have become increasingly psychedelic, culminating in the album Addicts: Black Meddle pt. 2. It's almost like indie rock mixed with black metal and 80's era gothic rock ala The Cure. Also, the album is about spiraling, life-draining, hopeless, and suicidal addiction.

I have only heard Assassins: Black Meddle Pt. I... and the vocals killed it for me. Not that they are horrible, but after just a few songs you realise the vocalist does the same fucking vocals all the time. There is no rhythm whatsoever in his vocals and they usually don't match the music or try to follow the melodies of the riffs. Whatever, I guess now would be a good time to give them another chance, and maybe get their most recent stuff.

Also, in a similar vein, there's this really fucking cool band called Oranssi Pazuzu, which mix black metal with psychedelic rock and jazz to create what sounds like a black metal version of a black and white noir movie soundtrack. While not as black metal as the rest, it makes up for it by being saturated with dense, smoky, gritty, darkness. I give a strong recommendation to both these artists. (The album I have by Oranssi Pazuzu is Muukalainen Puhuu)

I will check them out.

That makes me think about Sigh. I've came across one of Sigh's albums recently. One named Imaginary Sonicscape and even though the album got a lot of good critics, I was highly dissapointed with it... It isn't black metal anymore and only retains a few elements of bm's atmosphere and the vocals and takes the direction of a rather boring experimental psychedelic rock sound instead. Maybe I didn't approach this with the right mindset, I don't know. But I think it sucks. If anybody can give me their opinion on this, it might help me understand this better and maybe appreciate it ? I dunno if that's possible, but I always try to give a real chance to any album by such great bands.

At 4/30/12 12:34 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 4/29/12 03:28 AM, ElGhoulio wrote:

That makes me think about Sigh. I've came across one of Sigh's albums recently. One named Imaginary Sonicscape and even though the album got a lot of good critics, I was highly dissapointed with it... It isn't black metal anymore and only retains a few elements of bm's atmosphere and the vocals and takes the direction of a rather boring experimental psychedelic rock sound instead. Maybe I didn't approach this with the right mindset, I don't know. But I think it sucks. If anybody can give me their opinion on this, it might help me understand this better and maybe appreciate it ? I dunno if that's possible, but I always try to give a real chance to any album by such great bands.

The trick I've found is to listen to everything I get with a completely blank slate. I might go to metal archives to get a general sense of what I might be listening to, because although I have a relatively open mind, I am still discriminating, but I never let genres and shit get in the way of my enjoyment. In other words, I listen for what the creator of the music was intending, not what I feel the style "should" be or whatever.

At 4/30/12 12:34 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: That makes me think about Sigh. I've came across one of Sigh's albums recently. One named Imaginary Sonicscape and even though the album got a lot of good critics, I was highly dissapointed with it... It isn't black metal anymore and only retains a few elements of bm's atmosphere and the vocals and takes the direction of a rather boring experimental psychedelic rock sound instead. Maybe I didn't approach this with the right mindset, I don't know. But I think it sucks. If anybody can give me their opinion on this, it might help me understand this better and maybe appreciate it ? I dunno if that's possible, but I always try to give a real chance to any album by such great bands.

Sigh cannot really be considered black metal anymore. Sure their first few albums were, but since then, they have essentially left it. They do retain a few elements, and occasionally go back into it (check out the superb Scenes from Hell), but I really like it. If it isn't for you, it isn't for you and nothing I can say can change that.

At 4/30/12 12:34 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 4/29/12 09:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: Don't forget Timo Tolkki. He went absolutely crazy in the mid 00s.

The hell did he do to be considered "nuts" ? :P

Plenty of things. He was tearing his band apart and they all pretty much drew the line when Timo went on the Stratovarius forums claiming Hitler is a great man and he had sex with him. It's a damn good thing he's no longer with Stratovarius, even if he was the mainman up until the wretched self-titled album. That saying, his highlight with the band is by far Dreamspace. He wasn't bad on vocals but Kotipelto showed on Fourth Dimension that he was the right vocalist for the band.

That makes me think about Sigh. I've came across one of Sigh's albums recently. One named Imaginary Sonicscape and even though the album got a lot of good critics, I was highly dissapointed with it... It isn't black metal anymore and only retains a few elements of bm's atmosphere and the vocals and takes the direction of a rather boring experimental psychedelic rock sound instead. Maybe I didn't approach this with the right mindset, I don't know. But I think it sucks. If anybody can give me their opinion on this, it might help me understand this better and maybe appreciate it ? I dunno if that's possible, but I always try to give a real chance to any album by such great bands.

I will admit that Sigh's albums can be tricky to get into. I do see a lot of good things from Imaginary Sonicscape for sure. I just feel it loses steam with the last few tracks. In Somniphobia on the other hand, that one has a better pace for me. I'll admit that the avant-garde genre is not one I've looked deeply into but it's one I'd like to look further and further in.

Yeah, Timo is absolutely nuts. Pretty sure I read that he's been institutionalized four times in the 00's, and was institutionalized three times back in the 80's when he was a teen. I remember Stratovarius's, I wanna say 2005 tour, was canceled BECAUSE of this.

As for The Ocean shitting on OTEP, they made like ten facebook statuses about how pretentious and shitty they are back in October when they opened for them.

They also bashed Dream Theater in some interview, which got them an entire metalsucks article afterwards, talking about how "Dream Theater is the perfect example of how a band can have great talent but still suck dick".

At 4/30/12 01:57 PM, AniMetal wrote: Yeah, Timo is absolutely nuts. Pretty sure I read that he's been institutionalized four times in the 00's, and was institutionalized three times back in the 80's when he was a teen. I remember Stratovarius's, I wanna say 2005 tour, was canceled BECAUSE of this.

Timo=Epic Lulz. At least Nattramn of Silencer was up front and honest about how nuts he was.

As for The Ocean shitting on OTEP, they made like ten facebook statuses about how pretentious and shitty they are back in October when they opened for them.

They also bashed Dream Theater in some interview, which got them an entire metalsucks article afterwards, talking about how "Dream Theater is the perfect example of how a band can have great talent but still suck dick".

Whenever I hear of major bands shitting all over another band, my first reaction is that they are compensating for miniscule penis size (both literally and figuratively). There are exceptions, like when Tom Angelripper of Sodom bashed Monotheist by Celtic Frost and Metal Black by Venom as blatant commercial cash grabs. I say that's an exception because Sodom never went away and have never strayed from the path, so to speak. However, if I heard that from some modern day black metal outfit that came into being within the last decade, I would dismiss this as "oh-too-kvlt" saber rattling.

In short, if you are someone like Tom Angelripper, you can get away with being an asshole because you've been around for literally decades. If you aren't, then STFU.

At 4/30/12 07:25 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: In short, if you are someone like Tom Angelripper, you can get away with being an asshole because you've been around for literally decades. If you aren't, then STFU.

I refuse that, because that would mean Kerry King and Glen Benton are relevant. Besides, Monotheist was great. I'd prefer bands go off-road than release a million boring albums (AKA all post-Tapping Sodom albums, perhaps save for Code Red).

At 4/30/12 10:42 PM, Tobi wrote:

At 4/30/12 07:25 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: In short, if you are someone like Tom Angelripper, you can get away with being an asshole because you've been around for literally decades. If you aren't, then STFU.

I refuse that, because that would mean Kerry King and Glen Benton are relevant. Besides, Monotheist was great. I'd prefer bands go off-road than release a million boring albums (AKA all post-Tapping Sodom albums, perhaps save for Code Red).

Well...

Kerry King is exactly the kind of musician Angelripper was blasting. After the 80's, Kerry King and co. released a crapload of mallcore excrement. Sodom's albums from Tapping to Code Red might've been kinda boring, much like Iron Maiden's 90's output, but they didn't sell out like Slayer did.

At 5/1/12 01:35 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Kerry King is exactly the kind of musician Angelripper was blasting. After the 80's, Kerry King and co. released a crapload of mallcore excrement. Sodom's albums from Tapping to Code Red might've been kinda boring, much like Iron Maiden's 90's output, but they didn't sell out like Slayer did.

Kerry King is very understandable. Metal Black is especially understandable (Though you gotta admit, The Final Sign of Evil compared to In The Sign of Evil isn't much better than what Metal Black is to Black Metal). But why bust Monotheist? Other than appealing to goths, which would not see revival until a year or two later, it didn't have much commercial appeal. And I was saying Tapping the Vein and Code Red were good albums, lol. Most stuff after Tapping is what I called boring.

At 5/1/12 01:48 AM, Tobi wrote:

At 5/1/12 01:35 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: Kerry King is exactly the kind of musician Angelripper was blasting. After the 80's, Kerry King and co. released a crapload of mallcore excrement. Sodom's albums from Tapping to Code Red might've been kinda boring, much like Iron Maiden's 90's output, but they didn't sell out like Slayer did.

Kerry King is very understandable. Metal Black is especially understandable (Though you gotta admit, The Final Sign of Evil compared to In The Sign of Evil isn't much better than what Metal Black is to Black Metal). But why bust Monotheist? Other than appealing to goths, which would not see revival until a year or two later, it didn't have much commercial appeal. And I was saying Tapping the Vein and Code Red were good albums, lol. Most stuff after Tapping is what I called boring.

M16 was pretty beast too. I personally like Sodom because they have a beast sense of humor, and it shows in the music. From what it sounds, he's like an average german drunkard.

Monotheist wasn't really ahead of its time. It was basic doom metal, which has been around for years. Though I personally find it boring, if it's your thing, then more power to you. My doom tastes are more akin to Skepticism and Virgin Black, but that's a pepsi vs. coke argument. Monotheist just wasn't all that original, and it seemed dubious that Tom Warrior would've resuscitated the Celtic Frost name just to make a textbook doom metal album right when doom was getting popular again, that's all.

It wasn't a bad album like Metal Black (which was a new album in its own right), which was pure drek cashing in on the "Black Metal" album they did OVER 9000 years ago.

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At 4/30/12 03:58 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: The trick I've found is to listen to everything I get with a completely blank slate. I might go to metal archives to get a general sense of what I might be listening to, because although I have a relatively open mind, I am still discriminating, but I never let genres and shit get in the way of my enjoyment. In other words, I listen for what the creator of the music was intending, not what I feel the style "should" be or whatever.

I guess Sigh just got me used to good music...

I don't hate Rock, I hate bad Rock. And I have to say, I really don't understand why Sigh would release such a boring rock album. Only interresting part about it is the Psychedelic aspect, and still, if you can't match this with great riffs, why even botter?

At 4/30/12 06:26 AM, Zodir wrote: Sigh cannot really be considered black metal anymore. Sure their first few albums were, but since then, they have essentially left it. They do retain a few elements, and occasionally go back into it (check out the superb Scenes from Hell), but I really like it. If it isn't for you, it isn't for you and nothing I can say can change that.

I'll try that album than. Otherwise, I know I still love my Boris so much I will still like asian metal no matter how hard Sigh could suck now...

At 4/30/12 08:41 AM, Bahamut wrote: Plenty of things. He was tearing his band apart and they all pretty much drew the line when Timo went on the Stratovarius forums claiming Hitler is a great man and he had sex with him. It's a damn good thing he's no longer with Stratovarius, even if he was the mainman up until the wretched self-titled album. That saying, his highlight with the band is by far Dreamspace. He wasn't bad on vocals but Kotipelto showed on Fourth Dimension that he was the right vocalist for the band.

He was a great vocalist, but always seemed like a strange person to me. Thanks for the info. Hitler... lawl.

I will admit that Sigh's albums can be tricky to get into. I do see a lot of good things from Imaginary Sonicscape for sure. I just feel it loses steam with the last few tracks. In Somniphobia on the other hand, that one has a better pace for me. I'll admit that the avant-garde genre is not one I've looked deeply into but it's one I'd like to look further and further in.

I like Avant-Garde generally. I guess this album just didn't do it for me. At least on first listen. I'll give it another spin sometime.

At 4/30/12 01:57 PM, AniMetal wrote: As for The Ocean shitting on OTEP, they made like ten facebook statuses about how pretentious and shitty they are back in October when they opened for them.

Well, that's still true :P

They also bashed Dream Theater in some interview, which got them an entire metalsucks article afterwards, talking about how "Dream Theater is the perfect example of how a band can have great talent but still suck dick".

Oh boy!

Anyway. I don't really mind who the musician's are in real life. Sure, it's better if the musicians you like aren't dicks. But dude, I won't stop listenning to Peste Noire because Famine is a xenophobic fascist. The music is good. Too bad the guy is a douche.

At 4/30/12 07:25 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: Whenever I hear of major bands shitting all over another band, my first reaction is that they are compensating for miniscule penis size (both literally and figuratively). There are exceptions, like when Tom Angelripper of Sodom bashed Monotheist by Celtic Frost and Metal Black by Venom as blatant commercial cash grabs. I say that's an exception because Sodom never went away and have never strayed from the path, so to speak. However, if I heard that from some modern day black metal outfit that came into being within the last decade, I would dismiss this as "oh-too-kvlt" saber rattling.

They really aren't a major band. The Ocean is quite a young band and I can't blame them for speaking their mind. I like it better when artists are honest about what they like and don't like rather than being hypocritical or just don't speaking their minds to avoid any kind of controversy. These guys are human. If bashing a band for which your are opening is dumb and unprofessionnal, I don't mind them criticising Dream Theater. Hell, we all do it :P

At 5/1/12 01:55 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: M16 was pretty beast too. I personally like Sodom because they have a beast sense of humor, and it shows in the music. From what it sounds, he's like an average german drunkard.

Welp, I'll admit I forgot that album. It had good some good songs, but my drum production bias afflicts me. That click clacky bass drum will never EVER fit mid tempo metal, ever.

Monotheist wasn't really ahead of its time. It was basic doom metal, which has been around for years. Though I personally find it boring, if it's your thing, then more power to you.

It wasn't boring to me, some of the less overly doom tracks were pretty good. I would have liked more atmospheric sections rather than that two chord sludge stuff.

My doom tastes are more akin to Skepticism and Virgin Black, but that's a pepsi vs. coke argument.

Seeing as you said Skepticism and that your a finn (I think), I guess you like Funeral Doom a bit too.

It wasn't a bad album like Metal Black (which was a new album in its own right), which was pure drek cashing in on the "Black Metal" album they did OVER 9000 years ago.

Yeah, but if In the Sign of Evil was as revered as the first three albums, it would have been much like Metal Black. But I do agree, it isn't bad.I just find doing almost the same thing Venom did a year later and then criticizing them is hypocritical.

At 5/1/12 02:14 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

They really aren't a major band. The Ocean is quite a young band

That's my point. RESPECT YOUR TRIBAL ELDERS BIATCH

At 4/30/12 01:57 PM, AniMetal wrote: They also bashed Dream Theater in some interview, which got them an entire metalsucks article afterwards, talking about how "Dream Theater is the perfect example of how a band can have great talent but still suck dick".

To be fair, Mastodon did make fun of them a few years back but the majority seemed to have forgiven them by now.

At 4/30/12 07:25 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: I say that's an exception because Sodom never went away and have never strayed from the path, so to speak.

At least they're not coming up with an album title that sounds like a tribute band's name.

At 5/1/12 02:14 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 4/30/12 08:41 AM, Bahamut wrote: Plenty of things. He was tearing his band apart and they all pretty much drew the line when Timo went on the Stratovarius forums claiming Hitler is a great man and he had sex with him. It's a damn good thing he's no longer with Stratovarius, even if he was the mainman up until the wretched self-titled album. That saying, his highlight with the band is by far Dreamspace. He wasn't bad on vocals but Kotipelto showed on Fourth Dimension that he was the right vocalist for the band.

He was a great vocalist, but always seemed like a strange person to me. Thanks for the info. Hitler... lawl.

I'm willing to share the lulz.

I will admit that Sigh's albums can be tricky to get into. I do see a lot of good things from Imaginary Sonicscape for sure. I just feel it loses steam with the last few tracks. In Somniphobia on the other hand, that one has a better pace for me. I'll admit that the avant-garde genre is not one I've looked deeply into but it's one I'd like to look further and further in.

I like Avant-Garde generally. I guess this album just didn't do it for me. At least on first listen. I'll give it another spin sometime.

After that post, I did try out Messiahplan. Pretty cool, it has a stronger sense of power metal than the other two records I've listened to.

At 5/1/12 07:41 AM, Bahamut wrote:
I'm willing to share the lulz.

Lawlz hitler. The cornerstone of all well adjusted schizophrenics.

I'm really excited for Om's new album and Baroness upcoming double album. I think there's one more new album I'm excited about but I forgot. I heard Corrosion of Conformity's new album today and I like it, wicked sludgy doom with hardcore punk bits in it.

Y'all ever heard my band? That's drunken live goodness right there, watch and enjoy.

So I recently got some new metal stuff for the first time in like forever, and I thought I'd just share my thoughts on them here. I got The Power Within by DragonForce and Stand Up and Fight by Turisas. I'm really liking The Power Within so far, though I've only listened to the whole thing once. I think it did a really good job of streamlining DragonForce's sound and mixing things up a little, while still sounding like DragonForce. I do have a couple of criticisms; the old lyrical cliches of epic battles and dragons and stuff are still there, which was especially disappointing because Ultra Beatdown's lyrics had some depth to them, and I don't think Marc Hudson is as good a singer as ZP was. He's very good, certainly, but he sounds sort of generic. That being said, it's probably my favourite DragonForce album next to Valley of the Damned.

Stand Up and Fight I was sort of disappointed in. It's one of those albums that has one or two great songs and then the rest is pretty forgettable. March of the Varangian Guard and End of an Empire are great, but the rest of the tracks just sort of blend together into a big, formless blob of mediocrity.

And I know it's not really metal, but I also got Demon Hunter's new album, True Defiance, and boy was I disappointed. Probably my first case of buyer's remorse for 2012. I always thought Demon Hunter were pretty good when they had more of a Hard Rock/Groovy sound to their music, but they're pretty much straight-up Metalcore now.

Oh! And I hear Cryptopsy's new album is coming out soon? I'm super excited for that! Making your seventh album self-titled is a little weird, but as long as the music is good.

At 5/2/12 11:36 AM, PenisClown wrote:

Y'all ever heard my band? That's drunken live goodness right there, watch and enjoy.

Lulz the singer sounds drunk

At 5/2/12 08:54 PM, ElGhoulio wrote:

At 5/2/12 11:36 AM, PenisClown wrote:

Y'all ever heard my band? That's drunken live goodness right there, watch and enjoy.

Lulz the singer sounds drunk

I'm the singer and yes I was, we did the gig for alcohol and no pay.

Now we do gigs for money haha

after some deliberation i have reached an inevitable conclusion.
I no longer feel a part of this club and have not for a while now.
I no longer know who is a member and quite simply lack the caring anymore.
just see the same names daily with the occasional new one.
used to be I could converse with members here, seems no longer the case
anyone want to converse you know how to reach me, not holding my breath.

have a good number of recordings being released this year...number of different styles, as well as a writing collaboration with a well known poet overseas.
but I guess that is not metal enough for you all.

so yeah
Keep it HEAVY
peace
bye

At 5/2/12 12:17 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: That being said, it's probably my favourite DragonForce album next to Valley of the Damned.

I probably enjoy the new vocalist more than you do but everything else is spot on!

Oh! And I hear Cryptopsy's new album is coming out soon? I'm super excited for that! Making your seventh album self-titled is a little weird, but as long as the music is good.

It's nothing new, really. Bands like Stratovarius, Annihilator and such made self-titled albums in their mid/late career.

At 5/3/12 03:33 AM, PenisClown wrote: I'm the singer and yes I was, we did the gig for alcohol and no pay.

Now we do gigs for money haha

Now that's a winner!

At 5/3/12 03:57 AM, BillPatton wrote: so yeah
Keep it HEAVY
peace
bye

Aw, come on, Bill! I can't speak for everyone, but I enjoy reading your posts. I'd certainly like to talk to you about your future projects.