At 1 hour ago, Bahamut wrote: I know it's from the Dio era but Dehumanizer is easily one of the better albums of theirs from the later years. As for Tony Martin, I do enjoy TYR but felt Forbidden was dull as hell. The Illusion of Power would have been a solid song had it not been for Ice T's random appearance on it.

Often when you guys talk about Dio and Martin eras albums you avoid comparing them to the earlier stuff. Is it because these are really no match for the early albums? You said "easily one of the better albums of theirs from the later years". What does that mean exactly? That the most recent stuff sucks or that the earlier stuff is that much better, you couldn't even think about comparing Ozzy era's albums with those?

At 44 minutes ago, Zodir wrote: Of the Sabbath albums I have, here's how I'd rank 'em:
1. Master of Reality
2. Black Sabbath
3. Heaven and Hell
4. Paranoid

That's useful information, really. I know I highly enjoy Master Of Reality and Paranoid. So now I know I should check out Heaven And Hell and the self-titled. Thanks Zodir.

At 2 hours ago, Dalnaki wrote: That album sucks. Terrible mixing. Can't even tell it's Gillan. Gillan Tapes are better. Much better.

Though I agree the mixing was shit, I think it's far from terrible. Gillan's different vocals are part of the reason I love it. Born in Hell is good, but it only has two BA tracks, and had "The Hot Line" rather than the good tracks (Disturbing the Priest, Born Again).

People tend to dissociate their later materal from their earlier stuff for the fact they are pretty much two different bands, with Iommi being the only constant member (kinda like King Crimson with Fripp). The early stuff is very bluesy, closer to rock, and the later material is more on par with modern trad/power metal. Though I believe the Ozzy material to be unchallenged classics, that is no excuse to overlook or disown the later stuff (Though Forbidden was kind of a turd).

Have any of you guys heard of a band called Ulysses Siren? Pretty cool thrash metal. Pity they never released a full length and the only thing you can get is a compilation of their demos. Still, check it out.

Gentlemen, if I could have your opinion on my latest sound?

• Unpublished Submission

Tell me what you think. I know, I'm bad at writing riffs. I'm not a guitarist.

At 23 minutes ago, Tremulos wrote: Gentlemen, if I could have your opinion on my latest sound?
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/474420
Tell me what you think. I know, I'm bad at writing riffs. I'm not a guitarist.

hmm not bad
its better than my playing
but thats not a hard feat to accomplish haha

oh and hey i was wondering
does anyone know where i can get downloads for Bongripper?
i could only find Satan Worshiping Doom

At 2 hours ago, Viper50 wrote: hmm not bad
its better than my playing
but thats not a hard feat to accomplish haha

It's actually all programmed so there's no playing at all in there unfortunately. Thanks for the feedback though.

oh and hey i was wondering
does anyone know where i can get downloads for Bongripper?
i could only find Satan Worshiping Doom

Whenever I can't find a discog for download, I use Filestube.

Heroin
The Great Barrier Reefer

At 5 hours ago, Tobi wrote:

At 2 hours ago, Dalnaki wrote: That album sucks. Terrible mixing. Can't even tell it's Gillan. Gillan Tapes are better. Much better.

Though I agree the mixing was shit, I think it's far from terrible.

Can't listen to the album because of how bad the mixing is. Did you know there are unmixed Born Again demos? You should check those out.

At 3 hours ago, Tremulos wrote: Gentlemen, if I could have your opinion on my latest sound?
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/474420
Tell me what you think. I know, I'm bad at writing riffs. I'm not a guitarist.

Sounds like AC/DC run through distortion and then turned into a dance song.

At 46 minutes ago, Tremulos wrote:

At 2 hours ago, Viper50 wrote: hmm not bad
its better than my playing
but thats not a hard feat to accomplish haha

It's actually all programmed so there's no playing at all in there unfortunately. Thanks for the feedback though.

oh
really?
thats cool
id put a link for something i put on here but the quality is awful...
ah who cares
www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/473736
its god awful so dont blame me if your ears bleed

oh and hey i was wondering
does anyone know where i can get downloads for Bongripper?
i could only find Satan Worshiping Doom

Whenever I can't find a discog for download, I use Filestube.

i actually never go on Filestube...ever

At 2 hours ago, Viper50 wrote: i actually never go on Filestube...ever

Plenty of decent files to find on there. I haven't come across any viruses.

At 2 hours ago, Dalnaki wrote: Sounds like AC/DC run through distortion and then turned into a dance song.

I will take that as a compliment.

i lost it all in one night..
game over
farewell

At 22 minutes ago, BillPatton wrote: i lost it all in one night..
game over
farewell

What's going on Bill?

At 1 hour ago, Tremulos wrote:

At 2 hours ago, Viper50 wrote: i actually never go on Filestube...ever

Plenty of decent files to find on there. I haven't come across any viruses.

hmm...interesting...

At 25 minutes ago, BillPatton wrote: i lost it all in one night..
game over
farewell

is everything okay dude?
...i mean its obviously not okay
but please talk to us about it

At 16 hours ago, Zodir wrote: Just for any references for anyone. I haven't heard the whole Born Again album, but from what I have heard, it is easily the worst one.

I heard a few tracks and it was enough for me to not even pick it up. I'm only missing four Sabbath albums and that's one of them along with Seventh Star, Headless Cross and Cross Purposes. At this rate I don't expect to see any reissues for the IRS albums. As for Born Again, I'll only pick it up if it's dirt cheap.

At 15 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Often when you guys talk about Dio and Martin eras albums you avoid comparing them to the earlier stuff. Is it because these are really no match for the early albums? You said "easily one of the better albums of theirs from the later years". What does that mean exactly? That the most recent stuff sucks or that the earlier stuff is that much better, you couldn't even think about comparing Ozzy era's albums with those?

Nothing wrong with the Dio era but the Ozzy era was what made them big. The two vocalists are very different to each other and even the albums they represent are apart from each other. Although comparisons shouldn't be made, I'd go with the Ozzy era since the band was more established with the albums he was on.

At 6 hours ago, BillPatton wrote: i lost it all in one night..
game over
farewell

Please remember that we are here to help you out as well.

Before I head off to Singapore for 10 days, I managed to write up the next letter for the metal abc. Here's Quo Vadis.

I also might see a live show of Kvelertak in Singapore. It all depends on wether I can still get a ticket or not.

At 33 minutes ago, Haggard wrote: Before I head off to Singapore for 10 days, I managed to write up the next letter for the metal abc. Here's Quo Vadis.

I also might see a live show of Kvelertak in Singapore. It all depends on wether I can still get a ticket or not.

Do it man, Kvelertak are an amazing band to see live, great fun.

So guys, how about the new Napalm Death? I haven't heard the whole album, but of what I've heard it sounds pretty good. Not as great as the past three, but hell, none of what they called the "experimental tracks" are to be found on Youtube, so hell I dunno.

What happened, Bill?

liking this Ulysses Siren song. Might add it to my Notepad document with a list of bands to check out more. It's getting kinda long, though.

Duff, did you check out Apokatastasia? I think their best songs are LSD and Schizophriend.

At 1 day ago, AniMetal wrote: Any album recommendations? Or nah?

Other than the first 5, I've only listened to Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules. They're both quite good, but I prefer those Ozzy albums.

At 6 hours ago, Bahamut wrote: Nothing wrong with the Dio era but the Ozzy era was what made them big. The two vocalists are very different to each other and even the albums they represent are apart from each other. Although comparisons shouldn't be made, I'd go with the Ozzy era since the band was more established with the albums he was on.

Thanks, I always like to have some different points of view on a discography before digging deeper :)

At 2 hours ago, Haggard wrote: Before I head off to Singapore for 10 days, I managed to write up the next letter for the metal abc. Here's Quo Vadis.

Megadeth... Megadeth... Megadeth... please... not Megadeath...

I also might see a live show of Kvelertak in Singapore. It all depends on wether I can still get a ticket or not.

Kvelertak is a great band :) Seing them live will most likely be quite a thrill !

So, I'm getting a friend of mine into metal, and he is pretty interested in the thrash metal subgenre. He's asked me for good thrash recs, so I'm going to suggest my top 5 to him. But I was wondering, what are other members of the Hell's top 5 thrash albums? Here are mine:

1. Megadeth- Rust in Peace
2. Artillery- By Inheritance
3. Voivod- Dimension: Hatross (Because Nothingface isn't quite thrashy enough to count)
4. Morbid Saint- Spectrum of Death
5. Kreator- Coma of Souls

At 22 minutes ago, Zodir wrote: So, I'm getting a friend of mine into metal, and he is pretty interested in the thrash metal subgenre. He's asked me for good thrash recs, so I'm going to suggest my top 5 to him. But I was wondering, what are other members of the Hell's top 5 thrash albums? Here are mine:

1. Megadeth- Rust in Peace
2. Artillery- By Inheritance
3. Voivod- Dimension: Hatross (Because Nothingface isn't quite thrashy enough to count)
4. Morbid Saint- Spectrum of Death
5. Kreator- Coma of Souls

Does it have to be straight up thrash metal? Because bands like Blind Guardian and Symphony X have some amazing Thrash Metal material while they aren't "only" thrash metal bands.

In no specific order :

Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Watchtower - Energetic Disassembly
Symphony X - The Odyssey
Blind Guardian - Nightfall In Middle-Earth
Metallica - Kill 'Em All

At 1 hour ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Symphony X - The Odyssey

More like Twilight In Olympus or The Divine Wings of Tragedy.

Tittle track aside, The Odyssey is piss poor.

Blind Guardian - Nightfall In Middle-Earth

It's funny you say Nightfall In Middle Earth, because i'd say that's the first BG album with really no thrash metal elements on it whatsoever.

Also, even if they were really only thrash metal on their first three albums, all of Voivod's first seven albums are fucking awesome.

Anthrax - I Am The Law

At 51 seconds ago, AniMetal wrote: More like Twilight In Olympus or The Divine Wings of Tragedy.

Tittle track aside, The Odyssey is piss poor.

Too bad you can't appreciate the best Symphony X album.

At 16 minutes ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Too bad you can't appreciate the best Symphony X album.

If you call the album where Michael Romeo told the rest of the band "Okay, do absolutely nothing, and i'll get all the attention" their best album then you're crazy.

If you pay attention to the bass, the drums, the keys or even song structures that album is A MAJOR step in the wrong direction.

Russel's vocal performance and a large sum of Romeo's technical wankery are both great, but they don't make up for the fact the rest of the band is sitting on their ass that entire album. Plus, all the song formulas and whatnot are just being reused. The Turning, for example, is just Evolution re-written with better vocals and without the intro.

And a lot of the riffs themselves do that HORRIBLY annoying thing that bands like Pantera, Exhorder, Machine Head, etc. used to - that is START, STOP, START, STOP - that can be cool, in small amounts, but he pretty much does this in every song.

The Odyssey itself is a great track though, no hate towards that one.

At 2 hours ago, Zodir wrote: But I was wondering, what are other members of the Hell's top 5 thrash albums?

top five? That's probably not even possible for me to do, considering my love of thrash. How about my top ten?

Coroner - no More Color
Coroner - Mental Vortex
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Megadeth - Peace Sells
Megadeth - Killing is My Business
Annihilator - Alice in Hell
Annihilator - Never Neverland
Kreator - Extreme Aggression
Vektor - Black Future

At 39 minutes ago, AniMetal wrote:

At 16 minutes ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Too bad you can't appreciate the best Symphony X album.

If you call the album where Michael Romeo told the rest of the band "Okay, do absolutely nothing, and i'll get all the attention" their best album then you're crazy.

Maybe Michael Romeo gets more attention then he usualy does on that record. But their bass, the drumming, and the vocals (especially the vocals) are still some of the best I have ever heard in my life. Right now I'm listenning to Unleash The Fire, just to try and understand why you might think that this album lacks in anyway when it comes to... well... everything except the guitar. And I can't understand why you would dislike anything on that record. The drum fills are amazing. The bass is taking full control over the rhythm section, and Allen is shinning as always on that record.

If you pay attention to the bass, the drums, the keys or even song structures that album is A MAJOR step in the wrong direction.

I pay attention to all that. And if I ever get that good on the bass guitar, I'll die an happy man.

Russel's vocal performance and a large sum of Romeo's technical wankery are both great, but they don't make up for the fact the rest of the band is sitting on their ass that entire album. Plus, all the song formulas and whatnot are just being reused. The Turning, for example, is just Evolution re-written with better vocals and without the intro.

The guitar riffs cannot be called useless wanking ever on the record. Symphony X has a great history of technical playing. If you are going to complain on the guitars on The Odyssey, you have to complain about the guitars on every single of their albums.

The Turning is the same as Evolution? How can you even say that? Same kind of riffing, maybe, but I never felt they were "the same" and I have listenned to both of these tracks countless times.

And a lot of the riffs themselves do that HORRIBLY annoying thing that bands like Pantera, Exhorder, Machine Head, etc. used to - that is START, STOP, START, STOP - that can be cool, in small amounts, but he pretty much does this in every song.

Funny how you compare Symphony X with some of the bands I dislike the most...

You can't compare them just because they use silences (is that the right word? that's the word we use in french) in their music. Otherwise you would have to say Gentle Giant also are like Pantera.

The Odyssey itself is a great track though, no hate towards that one.

Magnificient, indeed.

Symphony X - Accolade II

At 3 minutes ago, HeavenDuff wrote:

Symphony X - Accolade II

And em, listenning to this track, I'm even more confused as to why you would say the whole album is just about Romeo's technical skills on the guitar. The bass and the keys on Accolade II are making the track. If it wasn't for these two there wouldn't be any track. The part of each instrument is well-balance. Romeo does play a lot of solos though.

At 4 hours ago, Zodir wrote: So, I'm getting a friend of mine into metal, and he is pretty interested in the thrash metal subgenre. He's asked me for good thrash recs, so I'm going to suggest my top 5 to him. But I was wondering, what are other members of the Hell's top 5 thrash albums?

Here are my 5 favorites thrash metal albums:
1. Megadeth - Rust In Peace
2. Overkill - The Years Of Deacay
3. Sodom - M-16
4. Warbringer - War Without End
5. National Suicide - The Old Family Is Still Alive

At 48 minutes ago, rockereaper wrote: 2. Overkill - The Years Of Deacay

That one's good, but I think Feel the Fire is better.

My Thrash 6, in no order:

Toxik - Think This
Sodom - Tapping the Vein
Evildead - Annihilation of Civilization
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Carnivore - Retaliation
Megadeth - Rust in Peace