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Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 07:47:03


At 9 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: It's funny you say that, because SBG is one of my least favorite Death albums.

Well, third least favourite doesn't sound all that bad but I do like how you put Symbolic and TSoP at the bottom.

Although, i've always preferred Atheist over Death in all honesty - but ITP is still my favorite Death album and, IMO of course, one of the greatest death metal albums of all time.

Goddamn, I love that album a lot. I may not have every single note memorized in my head but it's something I will do because the way the whole album is structured will keep drawing you back to it.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 10:53:58


At 9 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 8 hours ago, TheSporkLord wrote: Hello Mr opinion how are you? I'm doing quite well myself.
All that ever bothers you is that I don't have the same opinions you do.

Not really. Listen to whatever you want, it's not my business. What annoys me is that you write off your own opinions as fact. Like the claim that nightrage made " flawless " albums.

When people think the same shit you do, they are great, when they don't you call them names and accuse them of not knowing enough about music. That's kind hypocritical.

This is exactly what you do minus the music part. And I accuse you of not knowing music because you DON'T know music. Hell, you may actually think you do, but you don't. You've never elaborated on any musical claim, you never explain yourself. Relevantly anyway.

Anyway I might as well add that I think Nightrage are one of the most generic melodeath/ metalcore bands out there.
No, no they are not. Especially considering the fact that their sound changes from an album to another.

Ok, notice how I said I THINK. Oh hey, look how you're going off on someone who has a different opinion than you. God damn you are stupid.

On that specific record they do make these very generic switches between clean vocals and arshes vocals, or play some very smooth melodic riffs then drop into isolated heavy parts. Even with these elements, they still managed to put together a solid Melodic Death Metal album.

You see, this is what I mean, your idea of describing music is saying " they do this.... then they do that. "

But generic cannot be a word you can use to describe Sweet Vengeance and Descent Into Chaos. But please, proove me wrong by telling me what picking method they use,

What picking method? Alternate picking across a natural minor scale. That's just a stupid question to ask given that there really aren't that many different ways to pick. Unless you meant something else.

what kind of chord progression they use

Minor triads- i ii* III iv v VI VII

Because that's relevant, right?

Yeah, bands like this just write one riff using the Aeolian mode in ssssaaaayyy C and then move the same mode into uhh idk G, because circle of fifths.

Everything that isn't progressive, avant-gardist or complex is shitty and generic.

When did I say this? You're pulling this out of your ass.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 12:13:53


There's a new High on Fire track streaming over at p4k, here. I wasn't too impressed with most of it but the section that starts just before 3:00 is really fucking good, hope there's more like it on the new album.

Also it's a concept album, in Matt Pike's own words, "I got this idea about Jesus Christ and the Immaculate Conception: What if Jesus had a twin who died at birth to give Jesus his life? And then what if the twin became a time traveler right then?"

Sounds like he's taking a leaf out of Mastodon's book, funny how that has turned around.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 12:37:32


At 20 minutes ago, SomaGuye wrote: There's a new High on Fire track streaming over at p4k, here. I wasn't too impressed with most of it but the section that starts just before 3:00 is really fucking good, hope there's more like it on the new album.

Also it's a concept album, in Matt Pike's own words, "I got this idea about Jesus Christ and the Immaculate Conception: What if Jesus had a twin who died at birth to give Jesus his life? And then what if the twin became a time traveler right then?"

Sounds like he's taking a leaf out of Mastodon's book, funny how that has turned around.

O: i love High On Fire
i cant wait to hear the rest of this
im totally getting it when it comes out
im tempted to try to find somewhere to download this song
i doubt its up anywhere where i can do that though...

this is awesome :D

if the rest of the album sounds like this im definitely getting it then


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 13:23:30


At 2 hours ago, TheSporkLord wrote:
Not really. Listen to whatever you want, it's not my business. What annoys me is that you write off your own opinions as fact. Like the claim that nightrage made " flawless " albums.

Yes, and everybody does that. Everybody in here praises their favorite albums. Say that these are only opinions, I'm still not the only one who ever does that, and whatever I say... I'm always wrong. AniMetal started this discussion by saying Melodic Death Metal was shit. I answer by saying it isn't, and who the fuck does mister Sporky picks at? Me.

This is exactly what you do minus the music part. And I accuse you of not knowing music because you DON'T know music. Hell, you may actually think you do, but you don't. You've never elaborated on any musical claim, you never explain yourself. Relevantly anyway.

I do explain myself, all the time. Now go suck a fat one. Your only argument against me was that I can't understand music because I don't play an instrument. Which is still and will forever be the dumbest argument to ever use to claim that someone doesn't know shit about music. I also remember that when you said that stupidity, everybody destroyed your poor argument.

I do not explain myself in terms you consider important. All you really care about is the ability to talk about the maths behind the music. You think you understand a band because you can name the technique the guitarist uses. That's so fucking dumb. This is just like reading a book and judging solely on the form and not the content.

I'm just so tired about your urges to fight we me. Reading everything you post is so depressing... You never have any kind of point to proove me wrong. And whenever the debate doesn't go your way, you start explainning the scales, the chords played and the tempo of the riff. Just... quit, for God's sake, you are pathetic.

Ok, notice how I said I THINK. Oh hey, look how you're going off on someone who has a different opinion than you. God damn you are stupid.

I don't give a shit if you don't think the same as I do, Really. I only care about the fact that you do it because IT'S ME. You argue for the sake of picking a dumb fight with me.

You see, this is what I mean, your idea of describing music is saying " they do this.... then they do that. "

Which is perfectly ok. At least for most people. I write reviews for MA, I even share them with the Metal Hell, and people like them. I get good feedback on these, and I explain quite well why I like and why I dislike some artists. But hey, if you said I don't know shit about music... fuck the 30 peoples who said otherwise, they probably don't know anything about music either.

What picking method? Alternate picking across a natural minor scale. That's just a stupid question to ask given that there really aren't that many different ways to pick. Unless you meant something else.

what kind of chord progression they use
Minor triads- i ii* III iv v VI VII

Because that's relevant, right?
Yeah, bands like this just write one riff using the Aeolian mode in ssssaaaayyy C and then move the same mode into uhh idk G, because circle of fifths.

I like this. Because the riff in itself doesn't count for you. So two bands who use this same method to write a riff will automaticaly end up writting the same riff, right? No, of course not. If a band uses that method and doesn't expend on it or just end up playing something that isn't appealing to the ear, than yeah, maybe it's a generic band. But the riffs Nightrage writes are good. They feel right to my ears and the band always had this great energy in their playing that make me want to listen to their music again. Using an argument based simply on the description of the song-writting process of a band is a great display of an incapacity to understand music fully.

But whatever, keep pretending to know more about music then me. The fact that I listen to so many different bands, of so many different musical genres, of so many different countries isn't relevant when it comes to evaluating my musical knowledge, because I am no musician and I can't name all the theorical crap you can. Good for you.


Everything that isn't progressive, avant-gardist or complex is shitty and generic.
When did I say this? You're pulling this out of your ass.

No, I'm pulling this out of your own fucking posts. If a band uses a vastly used method to write their riffs, does that make them generic? Of course not. Because you have to consider more than the theorical part of music. The song-writting isn't the only important part. Arguing on music by only stating the song-writting methods, is like judging a cook by his method of cooking and not the final product. Same goes for a visual artist, you judge a painting by the method the artist used to paint it? Or by the final product?

I'm not saying it's useless to know the methods, but claiming I don't know shit about music because I don't argue based on em? Really?

Response to Metal Hell 2012-02-29 18:27:06


Sporky, thinking in terms of theory and complexity for metal is not a haealthy habit. I can understand your disagreement with Duff, but damn, if simplicity irks you so much, why are you into metal in the first place?


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 08:34:36


At 14 hours ago, Tobi wrote: Sporky, thinking in terms of theory and complexity for metal is not a haealthy habit. I can understand your disagreement with Duff, but damn, if simplicity irks you so much, why are you into metal in the first place?

Because it's metal, not punk.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 09:28:34


At 14 hours ago, Tobi wrote: Sporky, thinking in terms of theory and complexity for metal is not a haealthy habit. I can understand your disagreement with Duff, but damn, if simplicity irks you so much, why are you into metal in the first place?

Why i am in metal?...
Because i love metal music, not the other popular genres that to all the other like, and you have the reason about thinking in terms of metal.
Because we fight?, just because the others don't like the same genre?
Anyway all it´s metal


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 09:51:17


At 21 hours ago, SomaGuye wrote: There's a new High on Fire track streaming over at p4k, here. I wasn't too impressed with most of it but the section that starts just before 3:00 is really fucking good, hope there's more like it on the new album.

I find the whole track to be good. All I've heard from them beforehand is Snakes for the Divine but I'm digging this song. This will be one to pre-order if the rest is just as good, if not, better.

Also it's a concept album, in Matt Pike's own words, "I got this idea about Jesus Christ and the Immaculate Conception: What if Jesus had a twin who died at birth to give Jesus his life? And then what if the twin became a time traveler right then?"

Crazy idea but it intrigues me.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 11:20:55


Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.
I'm also finally getting into Dream Theater with the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory.

Peace.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 12:12:33


At 49 minutes ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

I remember you, dude.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.

Check out Isis, Wiht, and Neurosis.

I'm also finally getting into Dream Theater with the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory.

That's a great album, but their best stuff is Images and Words, a Change of Seasons, and Awake.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 14:55:21


At 6 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Because it's metal, not punk.

Metal isn't very complex either.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 16:27:22


At 5 hours ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.

ISIS would definitely fit your tastes, than. I will also recommand Mouth Of The Architect. They are a rather young band and their music isn't well-known. They play an unique blend of Sludge, Doom, Post-Rock and even Post-Hardcore. And yes, the Post-Hardcore influences are felt through their music, and strangly enough, it doesn't suck.

I'm also finally getting into Dream Theater with the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory.

You don't like Images & Words? :O

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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 16:49:01


At 5 hours ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.

Humanfly are a great band within this genre that nobody has heard of so you can be a glorious hipster like me.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-01 17:19:59


Picked up three albums. It's going to be a cool little listen :)

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath Vol. 4
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Runhild Gammelsaeter - Amplicon

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 01:39:42


At 8 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked up three albums. It's going to be a cool little listen :)

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath Vol. 4
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Runhild Gammelsaeter - Amplicon

So I listenned to Black Sabbath Vol. 4 and I didn't like it that much. That's just after one listen though. I don't think I will ever like it like Master Of Reality. Master Of Reality sounded perfect to my ear on the very first listen. I still hope Vol. 4 will grow on me though.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 09:03:09


At 7 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: So I listenned to Black Sabbath Vol. 4 and I didn't like it that much. That's just after one listen though. I don't think I will ever like it like Master Of Reality. Master Of Reality sounded perfect to my ear on the very first listen. I still hope Vol. 4 will grow on me though.

Vol. 4 is an oddball from the classics so I won't blame you if you don't like it that much in the end. However, Supernaut, Snowblind and Wheels of Confusion/The Straightener, those are songs to be recognised. If you do get to Sabotage, also keep in mind that there are a few odd tracks there as well but there's still Hole in the Sky and Symptom of the Universe.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 10:19:37


At 8 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 8 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked up three albums. It's going to be a cool little listen :)

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath Vol. 4
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Runhild Gammelsaeter - Amplicon
So I listenned to Black Sabbath Vol. 4 and I didn't like it that much. That's just after one listen though. I don't think I will ever like it like Master Of Reality. Master Of Reality sounded perfect to my ear on the very first listen. I still hope Vol. 4 will grow on me though.

i agree with what Bahamut says about Vol. 4
its a little...odd when put up against the other albums
so there is a chance you might not like it that much
but there may be a few songs that might grow on you after awhile
so who knows
you might grow to like it or grow to be somewhat indifferent to it


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 13:19:15


At 1 day ago, Sense-Offender wrote:
At 49 minutes ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.
I remember you, dude.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.
Check out Isis, Wiht, and Neurosis.

I'm also finally getting into Dream Theater with the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory.
That's a great album, but their best stuff is Images and Words, a Change of Seasons, and Awake.

I love Isis, and I've already heard of Neurosis, but I need to give them a proper listening. Never heard of Wiht, but I'm going to check them.

I will surely check those Dream Theater albums aswell someday

At 20 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 5 hours ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.
ISIS would definitely fit your tastes, than. I will also recommand Mouth Of The Architect. They are a rather young band and their music isn't well-known. They play an unique blend of Sludge, Doom, Post-Rock and even Post-Hardcore. And yes, the Post-Hardcore influences are felt through their music, and strangly enough, it doesn't suck.

I'm also finally getting into Dream Theater with the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory.
You don't like Images & Words? :O

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As I said, I love Isis aswell. And I will check Mouth Of The Architect as soon as I can, I love post-rock.

And I'm seeing I must really check out Images & Words.

At 20 hours ago, JaY11 wrote:
At 5 hours ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Haven't been here for a while... Let me see if I'm well received.

Sup' guys, I'm turning into a post-sludge lover or wtv it is, listening to bands like Cult of Luna, Pelican, Omega Massif and Fire Walk With Us.
Humanfly are a great band within this genre that nobody has heard of so you can be a glorious hipster like me.

They sound great! Pretty intense, I love the atmosphere they create, but I just don't like the voice very much. Sounds a lot like Cult of Luna aswell.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 14:27:52


At 21 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Picked up three albums. It's going to be a cool little listen :)

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath Vol. 4
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Runhild Gammelsaeter - Amplicon

Gentle Giant is one of the best 70s prog bands.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 14:39:11


I have listenned to the album Amplicon by Runhild Gammelsaeter, who was earlier in her career in the band Thorr's Hammer. If you don't know them, this is the former Death/Doom Metal band in which both guys from Sunn O))) used to play. They released an amazing EP with the Norwegian vocalist Runhild. She worked later in her career with Khlyst and she also released some solo material.

If her work with Thorr's Hammer was amazing, I can't say that I really like what she did with Khlyst and her album Amplicon is Noise/Dark Ambient. It's kind of original and interresting for the first few tracks, but it gets old really fast and isn't quite enjoyable as a whole.

At 5 hours ago, Bahamut wrote: Vol. 4 is an oddball from the classics so I won't blame you if you don't like it that much in the end. However, Supernaut, Snowblind and Wheels of Confusion/The Straightener, those are songs to be recognised. If you do get to Sabotage, also keep in mind that there are a few odd tracks there as well but there's still Hole in the Sky and Symptom of the Universe.

I'll keep that in mind ;)

Right now this is how I rank the Black Sabbath albums that I own :

Master Of Reality > Paranoid > Vol. 4

At 1 hour ago, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I will surely check those Dream Theater albums aswell someday

Images And Words is definitely my favorite :)

As I said, I love Isis aswell. And I will check Mouth Of The Architect as soon as I can, I love post-rock.

Their music is more depressing than most Post-Rock though.

And I'm seeing I must really check out Images & Words.

If you haven't, you must do it as soon as you can !

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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 15:16:54


At 36 minutes ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Right now this is how I rank the Black Sabbath albums that I own :

Master Of Reality > Paranoid > Vol. 4

I pretty much agree completely. I suggest checking out their debut. The title track is probably the quintessential Sabbath song, because it sums up almost everything they do perfectly. It isn't their best track by any means, but it is a great sort of gateway to get people used to what Sabbath does.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 15:36:14


Seconding on Duff checking the debut. Fucking amazing shit. Even for someone born long after it, and listening to doom metal extensively before laying my ears on it, it blows me away. Every track is amazing, and it's one of the only releases by them that doesn't make me want to yell at Ozzy for his vocals. Bill Ward is a damn good drummer just saying.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-02 15:50:52


At 30 minutes ago, Zodir wrote: I pretty much agree completely. I suggest checking out their debut. The title track is probably the quintessential Sabbath song, because it sums up almost everything they do perfectly. It isn't their best track by any means, but it is a great sort of gateway to get people used to what Sabbath does.

That was the original plan :) I need to get all the albums they released at the beginning of their career. Plus, their debut album has a great cover... better than Paranoid at least...

At 12 minutes ago, Tobi wrote: Seconding on Duff checking the debut. Fucking amazing shit. Even for someone born long after it, and listening to doom metal extensively before laying my ears on it, it blows me away. Every track is amazing, and it's one of the only releases by them that doesn't make me want to yell at Ozzy for his vocals. Bill Ward is a damn good drummer just saying.

Ozzy sounds kind of weird on Vol. 4. You're right, the vocals aren't all great with Ozzy. His vocals fit right on some tracks though.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 12:20:43


I think all of the first five Black Sabbath albums are great. Haven't really listened to anything after that, besides a few random dio-era Black Sabbath songs.

Any album recommendations? Or nah?


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 15:13:51


At 2 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Any album recommendations? Or nah?

Every Tony Martin album. When that era makes a good song, it's amazing, but when it's bad, god is it boring. Mob Rules and Dehumanizer are my fav Dio albums, and the song "The Devil Cried" is a good track to check out on Youtube. I honestly don't fancy Heaven and Hell compared to the other Dio material, but it is acclaimed, so check it out anyway. Also see Born Again with Ian Gillan on vocals.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 15:15:48


I forgot you said "first five". Also check out Sabotage, amazing album. All the Ozzy material is pretty good, but around the sixth album it stops being amazing.


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Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 15:22:48


I know it's from the Dio era but Dehumanizer is easily one of the better albums of theirs from the later years. As for Tony Martin, I do enjoy TYR but felt Forbidden was dull as hell. The Illusion of Power would have been a solid song had it not been for Ice T's random appearance on it.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 15:49:10


At 28 minutes ago, Tobi wrote:

Also see Born Again with Ian Gillan on vocals.

That album sucks. Terrible mixing. Can't even tell it's Gillan. Gillan Tapes are better. Much better.

Response to Metal Hell 2012-03-03 16:30:29


Of the Sabbath albums I have, here's how I'd rank 'em:
1. Master of Reality
2. Black Sabbath
3. Heaven and Hell
4. Paranoid
5. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
6. Mob Rules
7. Vol. 4
8. Dehumanizer
9. Sabotage

Just for any references for anyone. I haven't heard the whole Born Again album, but from what I have heard, it is easily the worst one.


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