Metal Archives administrators accept bands like As Blood Runs Black and Waking The Cadaver on their website but still reject bands like Stolen Babies. I think some morons need to make more of an effort here, if they don't want to lose their community.

Stolen Babies - So Close

Stolen Babies used to be on there, but their page was removed.

Also, Duff, have you checked out Apokatastasia yet? I think you'd really like them.

two grilled steaks, one that was left soaking all day in teriyaki sauce, the other in worcestershire sauce with tobasco. nice cold Shock Top on the side. excellent dinner.

I'm listening to Prometheus right now and it is sick so far. It looks like all the hate for this album is undeserved. "Waaah, it isn't more of the exact same stuff we all heard on Nightshade Eclipse. That means it sucks. waaah."

Abbey of Telema's self titled album was decent. I can't strongly recommend it, but it's pretty good.

hmm i saw this and thought it was kinda interesting
its a list of Heavy Metal Concept Albums that should be made into movies
i dont see why fucking Coheed and Cambria is on there though...

At 14 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Metal Archives administrators accept bands like As Blood Runs Black and Waking The Cadaver on their website but still reject bands like Stolen Babies. I think some morons need to make more of an effort here, if they don't want to lose their community.

I will admit that the lack of consistency with the classic rock bands they include and don't include does irk me even now.

At 9 hours ago, Viper50 wrote: hmm i saw this and thought it was kinda interesting

I definitely agree with Operation: Mindcrime. That's one thing Queensrÿche should do instead of writing more albums.

things are going fast again.
working on a few new songs.
been invited to be on a few splits with my Lucifer's Lightbulb project.
also working on some new crossover thrash tunes with my old songwriting partner/guitarist.
bunch of new music planned for next month.
you have been warned.
Keep it HEAVY
peace

At 6 hours ago, Bahamut wrote: I will admit that the lack of consistency with the classic rock bands they include and don't include does irk me even now.

Worst for me is when they add plain Deathcore bands like Waking The Cadaver, admit that they are JUST Deathcore and not like Job For A Cowboy, for example, who would be Death Metal/Deathcore.

No kind of consistency here, the Hell is wrong with them? Especially considering how intense is the hate people express towards bands like WTC (Oh well that's funny) on Metal Archives.

God Is An Astronaut - Remembrance Day

I would totally watch Operation Mindcrime: the Movie

looks like things are going well for Bill. good.

Duff, listen to Apokatastasia, or I'll hurt you.

At 1 day ago, Viper50 wrote: who here has heard of a band called Blood Ceremony?

They played in Boston opening for Ghost last month. I didn't go, but I heard the show was great and that BC was really good.

Anyway... You know what REALLY grinds my gears? The whole female-fronted symphonic rock/metal/whatever movement that started in the late 90's. It was birthed from the success of power metal combined with influences from melodic death metal, "gothic" bands(Type O Negative, HIM, etc.) and in some cases even industrial. Then in the mid-00's, the genre utterly exploded - mainly due to the MASSIVE success of Nightwish. (Especially in Europe)

Now in 2012, you've got all these bands that COULD be writing amazing music, as demonstrated by other artists of the genre, who aren't. They're writing angst-ridden lyrics meant for teenagers, their vocalists sound more and more like they're coming straight out of Paramore tribute bands, they aren't doing long epics or anything musically interesting and are settling with generic verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus formulas and simplistic riffs. And the worst part? They become successful doing it. You've got newschool Nightwish, Within Temptation, Lacuna Coil, Evanescence, In This Moment, Halestorm, etc. - all of which are mediocre, "symphonic" pop bands just hiding behind the title of "metal" because their male members have hair down to their ass and they have Yngwie-worship guitar solos. All of these bands are greeted with mass success as pop fans, symphonic/gothic fans AND power metal fans all just eat them up and treat them with such praise for just becoming a cleverly disguised pop band with a sexy vocalist.

Then you have the bands who try and BALANCE between the potential success they could have, like the success the bands listed above have achieved, AND their own musical integrity. Bands like Sirenia, Echoes of Eternity, newschool Tristania, Nemesea, UnSun, Krypteria, Amaranthe, Xandria, Leaves Eyes, etc. - now, don't get me wrong, all these bands are decent(or better), but they ultimately are using the sexual appeal of having a female vocalist and the overall success of the genre to try and create something good, but at the same time make sure it's commercial-enough and angst-appealing so they have a good shot at becoming huge. (And some of them have)

We're ultimately left with a genre that has become saturated with pop and infatuated with sexual appeal and commercial success, leaving only the oldest gems such as After Forever, oldschool Tristania, oldschool Nightwish and Carnarium worth listening to for the most part. We've also got Visions of Atlantis, ReVamp, Delain, Trail of Tears and Adastreia - all of which are quite good newer bands, but still don't feel like they're meeting the full potential of the genre.

There's also bands like Holy Hell and Seven Kingdoms, bands that are closer to traditional metal bands that just happen to have female vocalists and often be grouped together with the symphonic scene. These kinds of bands are good, but aren't exactly doing anything "new" if that makes sense. I'm sure though, with the right discipline and artistic aim these kinds of bands can become much more than they already are.

Honestly, the only bands I feel that HAVE met the full potential has been After Forever - especially their first two albums with Mark Jansen. Speaking of Mark Jansen, notice I avoided mention of Epica this entire rant? That's because Epica are almost as successful as the bands mentioned in the first section, but they aren't anything like them - Epica has been a band that's progressed from their first album(boring riffs, nothing interesting other than the vocals and keys) to an amazing group who have recently released masterpieces. This is a band that as they become more and more popular, continuously write longer and more complex pieces as well as throw in more and more death metal influence, this uniqueness sets aside Epica from every other band in the scene that I know of and ultimately makes them the true masters of the genre because they are something unprecedented. Here's hoping that this doesn't jinx their upcoming album and turn it into a Adele album, or something shit like that.

The genre has become massively watered down with poorly written synth parts, angst-ridden lyrics about darkness and vampires, pop's simplicity and vocalists whom are on stage more for their body than their voice. Here's hoping the genre turns around sometime in the future, or dies off completely. What do you guys think?

Tyr - Sinklars Visa

Just like there's a shitty and boring side of symphonic metal, there's a shitty and boring side of most metal genres. As long as the mainstream fans eat it up it will continue. Newschool Nightwish fell prey to this, sadly.

Even if the genre dies, something shittier will either evolve from it or rise from it's ashes and pollute metal's name with more mainstream crap. It'll be a never ending cycle.

This week I will be watching some awesome movies. My girlfriend and I have rented two Stanley Kubrick movies. Which are Full Metal Jacket and 2001: Space Odyssey. Third movie is Kite Runner. My girlfriend read the book, we hope the movie will also good :)

At 4 hours ago, Sense-Offender wrote: Duff, listen to Apokatastasia, or I'll hurt you.

I will, I have trusted you in the past, I will do it again :)

I have just reached a thousand plays of Benighted tracks on Last.fm. So my top 8 most listenned albums all have 1000 and more plays :)

At 7 hours ago, CoCo wrote: Just like there's a shitty and boring side of symphonic metal, there's a shitty and boring side of most metal genres. As long as the mainstream fans eat it up it will continue. Newschool Nightwish fell prey to this, sadly.

Even if the genre dies, something shittier will either evolve from it or rise from it's ashes and pollute metal's name with more mainstream crap. It'll be a never ending cycle.

The thing is though, in every genre of metal, there's always a mixture of good and bad in the MOST POPULAR bands.

Like, death metal has bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, all those shittie melodic death metal bands, etc. but they also have Morbid Angel, Vader, Obituary, Death, Opeth, etc, etc.

Symphonic metal? They have Epica. That's literally it. (And Nightwish, but only their oldschool stuff)

I own very little of symphonic metal and that may be for the better. However, if there's top notch material I shouldn't miss out on, I'm more than welcome to check it out sometime.

At 15 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6 hours ago, Bahamut wrote: I will admit that the lack of consistency with the classic rock bands they include and don't include does irk me even now.

Worst for me is when they add plain Deathcore bands like Waking The Cadaver, admit that they are JUST Deathcore and not like Job For A Cowboy, for example, who would be Death Metal/Deathcore.

The Brutal Deathcore genre for WTC is a laugh.

At 10 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Like, death metal has bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, all those shittie melodic death metal bands, etc. but they also have Morbid Angel, Vader, Obituary, Death, Opeth, etc, etc.

Nightrage and Kalmah are AMAZING Melodic Death Metal acts. You can't diss an entire genre based only on your personnal preferences. Nightrage have released 3 flawless albums while Death and Morbid Angel are both guilty of releasing shitty albums throughout their career.

Symphonic metal? They have Epica. That's literally it. (And Nightwish, but only their oldschool stuff)

Epica sucks balls. They are basically a mix of symphonic wannabe gothic lameness mixed with melodic death metal you despise.

At A few seconds ago, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 10 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Like, death metal has bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, all those shittie melodic death metal bands, etc. but they also have Morbid Angel, Vader, Obituary, Death, Opeth, etc, etc.

Nightrage and Kalmah are AMAZING Melodic Death Metal acts. You can't diss an entire genre based only on your personnal preferences. Nightrage have released 3 flawless albums while Death and Morbid Angel are both guilty of releasing shitty albums throughout their career.

I agree with you Duff, there are very good melodic death metal bands like Cadacross, Skyfire or Burden Of Life and many more.

At 2 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Nightrage and Kalmah are AMAZING Melodic Death Metal acts. You can't diss an entire genre based only on your personnal preferences. Nightrage have released 3 flawless albums while Death and Morbid Angel are both guilty of releasing shitty albums throughout their career.

While I agree that there are some phenomenal MeloDeath bands out there, a lot of it is shit. And secondly, how the hell can you say Death has released a shitty record? All of their albums are at least a 3/5, which is good, but not great. And most of them I rate as 4.5 or above albums. Seriously, Scream Bloody Gore, Individual Thought Patterns, Human, Symbolic, and The Sound of Perserverance are all phenomenal albums. The only two not quite that high are Leprosy and Spiritual Healing, yet both of those are very solid albums.

At 3 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Nightrage and Kalmah are AMAZING Melodic Death Metal acts. You can't diss an entire genre based only on your personnal preferences. Nightrage have released 3 flawless albums while Death and Morbid Angel are both guilty of releasing shitty albums throughout their career.

I meant HUGE bands. Nightrage are nobodies, and while Kalmah are amazing - they've had to cancel every single North America tour they were ever scheduled to do except for one. That's how unpopular they are here.

Also, if you think Death had a bad album, then you are delusional.

Epica sucks balls. They are basically a mix of symphonic wannabe gothic lameness mixed with melodic death metal you despise.

Actually, there's nothing melodic death metal in them. They're majorly inspired by oldschool death metal and technical death metal, but i hear no melodeath influence in them.

Also, keep your extreme opinions "suck balls" which have no subjective backing to yourself. You can show at least a little regard towards the people who enjoy said bands, it's perfectly possible to state your negative opinion towards a band without fullout insulting them.

Unless it's Children of Bodom or the latest Primus album. By all means, fire away at these. hahahaha

But nah, the first Epica albums were lame - but The Divine Conspiracy and Design Your Universe are both amazing, and I get a feeling the new album will be great too. (That, or sellout, but i'm hoping it doesn't hahaha)

Swallow The Sun - Plague of Butterflies

I saw the mentioning of Death (and the mentioning of them releasing bad albums and Nightrage releasing none. lolwut). I just felt like saying, it's kinda funny how their later stuff is labelled tech death when I find it way harder to play some of the stuff off their first album.

At 16 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Like, death metal has bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, all those shittie melodic death metal bands, etc. but they also have Morbid Angel, Vader, Obituary, Death, Opeth, etc, etc.

Are you saying Cannibal Corpse and Dying Fetus are shit? I really don't get the hate for Cannibal Corpse considered they are one of the most influential death metal bands along with Death, Morbid Angel, and Possessed and too deny that would make you a retard. Just because you don't enjoy to listen to it doesn't mean it's shit and the fact that you (from what I guess) put Morbid Angel in the good list of death metal is kind of laughable considered what they have released recently and a couple old releases. Compare New Cannibal Corpse to New Morbid Angel.... well I think it's obvious Cannibal Corpse takes the cake and this comes from a guy with an Altar of Madness tattoo. Also I don't know why you threw Opeth in the death Metal list considered they aren't truly Death Metal.

At 3 hours ago, Zodir wrote: While I agree that there are some phenomenal MeloDeath bands out there, a lot of it is shit. And secondly, how the hell can you say Death has released a shitty record? All of their albums are at least a 3/5, which is good, but not great. And most of them I rate as 4.5 or above albums. Seriously, Scream Bloody Gore, Individual Thought Patterns, Human, Symbolic, and The Sound of Perserverance are all phenomenal albums. The only two not quite that high are Leprosy and Spiritual Healing, yet both of those are very solid albums.

Maybe, but the three first albums by Nightrage are all 4 to 5 on 5. But hey, Melodic Death Metal is ALLLL shit!

I feel like we had this debate countless times already. The most popular genres and sub-genres always have more than their share of shitty bands, of course. But this is what happens to every genre that gets somewhat of a commercial success. So now, let's ignore Nightrage, Kalmah, Arsis, Darkane, Insomnium, early In Flames, Scar Symmetry and Quo Vadis... which are all amazing Melodic Death Metal bands.

At 2 hours ago, AniMetal wrote:

I meant HUGE bands. Nightrage are nobodies, and while Kalmah are amazing - they've had to cancel every single North America tour they were ever scheduled to do except for one. That's how unpopular they are here.

But what's the point exactly? Why care about the succesfuly commercial bands? You know that the musical scene industry of today isn't the same as it was in the 80's. Rock and Metal had more of a place on commercial radio stations and there wasn't such a huge artistical convergence in commercialy succesful and popular music back then. Now the "succesful" melodic death metal bands are usually those who play a brand of gothenburg/metalcore heavily influenced melodeath. Yeah, these are shit. But that's not how you should approach the genre.

Also, if you think Death had a bad album, then you are delusional.

I'm guilty of having opinions.

Actually, there's nothing melodic death metal in them. They're majorly inspired by oldschool death metal and technical death metal, but i hear no melodeath influence in them.

You can't just be a symphonic/gothic metal band and include melodic death metal elements to your music without them being melodic death metal. Same goes for mixing death and power metal. You can't play Old School Death/Power Metal. Those just aren't genres you can mix easily. But Melodic Death Metal and Symphonic Metal both rely on similar basis.

Listen at 2:49. Don't tell me this is Old School Death Metal.

Also, keep your extreme opinions "suck balls" which have no subjective backing to yourself. You can show at least a little regard towards the people who enjoy said bands, it's perfectly possible to state your negative opinion towards a band without fullout insulting them.

Dude, you are the one who said Melodic Death Metal was shit. I don't remember your exact words, but come on...

But nah, the first Epica albums were lame - but The Divine Conspiracy and Design Your Universe are both amazing, and I get a feeling the new album will be great too. (That, or sellout, but i'm hoping it doesn't hahaha)

I will give a proper listen to these, then :)

At 1 hour ago, Tobi wrote: I saw the mentioning of Death (and the mentioning of them releasing bad albums and Nightrage releasing none. lolwut). I just felt like saying, it's kinda funny how their later stuff is labelled tech death when I find it way harder to play some of the stuff off their first album.

I never said Nightrage released only good albums. The three firsts are amazing though. And why is it that we can't criticize bands who are considered some of the most influential and "the greatests" ? They can't release bad albums? And you guys can't say Illud Divinum Insanus. Bitchez!

At 2 hours ago, Anti-pie wrote: Are you saying Cannibal Corpse and Dying Fetus are shit?

No, but they're most certainly not the highlight of the genre.

I really don't get the hate for Cannibal Corpse considered they are one of the most influential death metal bands along with Death, Morbid Angel, and Possessed and too deny that would make you a retard. Just because you don't enjoy to listen to it doesn't mean it's shit and the fact that you (from what I guess) put Morbid Angel in the good list of death metal is kind of laughable considered what they have released recently and a couple old releases. Compare New Cannibal Corpse to New Morbid Angel.... well I think it's obvious Cannibal Corpse takes the cake and this comes from a guy with an Altar of Madness tattoo.

Just because I don't like a band doesn't mean I don't respect their influence. I don't like much Iron Maiden, I think they're vastly overrated, I still respect their influence.

Also I don't know why you threw Opeth in the death Metal list considered they aren't truly Death Metal.

Haters gonna hate.

At 2 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote::

But what's the point exactly? Why care about the succesfuly commercial bands? You know that the musical scene industry of today isn't the same as it was in the 80's. Rock and Metal had more of a place on commercial radio stations and there wasn't such a huge artistical convergence in commercialy succesful and popular music back then. Now the "succesful" melodic death metal bands are usually those who play a brand of gothenburg/metalcore heavily influenced melodeath. Yeah, these are shit. But that's not how you should approach the genre.

That's the point. All the most popular symphonic bands are borderline pop, all the most popular melodic death metal bands are borderline metalcore, etc.

I'm guilty of having opinions.

Which Death album(s) do you dislike and why?

You can't just be a symphonic/gothic metal band and include melodic death metal elements to your music without them being melodic death metal.

Wut? Almost every symphonic metal band isn't melodic death metal, but IS influenced by groups like Dark Tranquility and Children of Boredom.

:Same goes for mixing death and power metal. You can't play Old School Death/Power Metal. Those just aren't genres you can mix easily.

I would love to see a band try, to be honest.

Inb4 someone says "Elvenking" because they're closer to metalcore/melodic death metal fused with power metal.

But Melodic Death Metal and Symphonic Metal both rely on similar basis.

Listen at 2:49. Don't tell me this is Old School Death Metal.

Woah, hold on. I NEVER said Epica was oldschool death metal or technical death metal. Just that they were influenced by it.

Being influenced by a genre is not the same as being that genre.

Now I know for a fact that the ONLY members of Epica who are MAJORLY influenced by power/symphonic metal are Simone(vocals) and Coen(Keyboards/piano) - the rest of the band is heavily influenced by the more extreme genres of metal. Oldschool death metal and technical death metal, I think, have the biggest influence on their music specifically.

(I mean hell, two of Epica's members both came out of God Dethroned. The members of Epica have a side project called MaYan, which is very similar to Fleshgod Apocalypse, Mark Jansen was in various black metal bands in the late 90's, etc.)

I just don't hear any melodic death metal influence in Epica. Whether it be In Flames, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, newschool Hypocrisy, oldschool Amorphis, Soilwork, Insomnium, Swallow The Sun or Wintersun - I don't hear anything in any Epica that feels like it was influenced by ANY of these bands.

Although, I do think I remember reading once that the guys in Epica are huge fans of Scar Symmetry, so I suppose there might be an influence from them in Epica somewhere - I just haven't found it yet. :P

Also, keep your extreme opinions "suck balls" which have no subjective backing to yourself. You can show at least a little regard towards the people who enjoy said bands, it's perfectly possible to state your negative opinion towards a band without fullout insulting them.

Dude, you are the one who said Melodic Death Metal was shit. I don't remember your exact words, but come on...

I think I was referring to the genre as a whole but it's definitely got it's gems.

Insomnium, Barren Earth, oldschool Amorphis, Swallow The Sun, etc. on the doomish side of melodic death metal are all great.

I also enjoy oldschool In Flames, At The Gates, Hypocrisy, etc.

And on the melodic death folk metal side, I enjoy Eluveitie / oldschool Ensiferum / Wintersun / Equilibrium.

I will give a proper listen to these, then :)

M'hmm.

Epica's debut album(With the song "Cry For The Moon" which you linked) is very simplistic, premature and poorly mixed. While a lot of the songs are, and I don't understand why, regarded as "classics" from this album - it's really just because of age instead of quality.

Consign to Oblivion(2nd album) is still relatively premature and simplistic, but it's much more enjoyable and fun. And both Simone AND Mark's vocals have greatly improved with this album. Still probably not something you'd enjoy though. (Although I will say, "The Last Crusade" is an absolute classic IMO)

The Divine Conspiracy and Design Your Universe both have a few more fillerish, somewhat poppish songs - but as a whole, the quality on these albums, greatly makes up for it.

Again, here's hoping the 5th Epica album out next month will continue this path of each album being better than the last.

Epica - Resign to Surrender

At 6 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: I never said Nightrage released only good albums. The three firsts are amazing though. And why is it that we can't criticize bands who are considered some of the most influential and "the greatests" ? They can't release bad albums? And you guys can't say Illud Divinum Insanus. Bitchez!

I guess I misread you. I never said we can't criticize popular bands. I think Morbid Angel were always a turd, I can barely tolerate most Slayer after I went to their concerts, etc. I just find it funny that you are criticizing Death cause for 1) I usually see you praising him greatly, esp. ITP b) because it's often though that while they released some bland albums, it's often agreed upon that said albums were at least accessible/mediocre.

At 13 hours ago, AniMetal wrote:

At 3 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote: Epica sucks balls. They are basically a mix of symphonic wannabe gothic lameness mixed with melodic death metal you despise.

Actually, there's nothing melodic death metal in them. They're majorly inspired by oldschool death metal and technical death metal, but i hear no melodeath influence in them.

That's what I thought was interesting about them. Makes me wonder why I've only picked up the live album from them so far. Ah well, there's the new album released shortly so I should look into that.

At 10 hours ago, Anti-pie wrote: Are you saying Cannibal Corpse and Dying Fetus are shit? I really don't get the hate for Cannibal Corpse considered they are one of the most influential death metal bands along with Death, Morbid Angel, and Possessed and too deny that would make you a retard.

I can clearly see how Cannibal Corpse made an impact on death metal but I felt their music did very little for me. I do enjoy the earlier songs, though.

Krypteria does indeed rely on sex appeal, but I must admit I still like them. I especially like Victoriam Speramus.

At 1 day ago, HeavenDuff wrote: I will, I have trusted you in the past, I will do it again :)

I gotta check out Benighted. You talk about them a lot. and Blood Red Throne.

Also, you should get a new sig to match this here snazzy redesign.

At 17 hours ago, Zodir wrote: And secondly, how the hell can you say Death has released a shitty record?

I'm with you on that. In my opinion, Death has never gone wrong. Even their weak efforts were decent at the least.

At 23 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 10 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: Like, death metal has bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus, all those shittie melodic death metal bands, etc. but they also have Morbid Angel, Vader, Obituary, Death, Opeth, etc, etc.

Nightrage and Kalmah are AMAZING Melodic Death Metal acts. You can't diss an entire genre based only on your personnal preferences. Nightrage have released 3 flawless albums while Death and Morbid Angel are both guilty of releasing shitty albums throughout their career.

Hello Mr opinion how are you? I'm doing quite well myself.

Anyway I might as well add that I think Nightrage are one of the most generic melodeath/ metalcore bands out there.

At 18 hours ago, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3 hours ago, Zodir wrote: While I agree that there are some phenomenal MeloDeath bands out there, a lot of it is shit.

Maybe, but the three first albums by Nightrage are all 4 to 5 on 5. But hey, Melodic Death Metal is ALLLL shit!

Woah, woah, woah, woah.....woah. I agreed with you! I said there were some great melodeath bands! I just said a lot of them were shit.

At 17 hours ago, Zodir wrote:

how the hell can you say Death has released a shitty record?

Easily. Death honestly isn't all that great. SBG may be solid, but the rest range from meh to mediocre to flat out bad (TSoP, I'm looking at you).

Also, Detroit Death is the better band.

At 45 minutes ago, Dalnaki wrote:

At 17 hours ago, Zodir wrote:

how the hell can you say Death has released a shitty record?

Easily. Death honestly isn't all that great. SBG may be solid, but the rest range from meh to mediocre to flat out bad (TSoP, I'm looking at you).

It's funny you say that, because SBG is one of my least favorite Death albums.

ITP > Human > Spiritual Healing > Leprosy > SBG > Symbolic > TSoP

Although, i've always preferred Atheist over Death in all honesty - but ITP is still my favorite Death album and, IMO of course, one of the greatest death metal albums of all time.

At 21 hours ago, AniMetal wrote: That's the point. All the most popular symphonic bands are borderline pop, all the most popular melodic death metal bands are borderline metalcore, etc.

And since when did we started to care about what the commercial radios and tv channels think his good? We are here for the arts, right?

Which Death album(s) do you dislike and why?

My statement wasn't correct. I didn't mean to say that I hated any album released by Death. I think that some of Nightrage's albums are better than some of Death's albums. Morbid Angel is guilty of realising horrible albums though.

Wut? Almost every symphonic metal band isn't melodic death metal, but IS influenced by groups like Dark Tranquility and Children of Boredom.

I didn't say IS, I said that whenever a Symphonic Metal band wants to use Death Metal elements in their music, they end up sounding more like Melodic Death Metal bands and not (like in never) like Technical Death Metal bands, Old School DM bands and basically all other DM sub-genres that aren't Melodeath.

Woah, hold on. I NEVER said Epica was oldschool death metal or technical death metal. Just that they were influenced by it.

Being influenced by a genre is not the same as being that genre.

That's not what I meant either.

Now I know for a fact that the ONLY members of Epica who are MAJORLY influenced by power/symphonic metal are Simone(vocals) and Coen(Keyboards/piano) - the rest of the band is heavily influenced by the more extreme genres of metal. Oldschool death metal and technical death metal, I think, have the biggest influence on their music specifically.

They come from Non-Melodeath bands, yes. But the "death metal elements" they include in their work with Epica shares more similarities with the way of the Melodeath scene, rather then with the other Death Metal scenes.

(I mean hell, two of Epica's members both came out of God Dethroned. The members of Epica have a side project called MaYan, which is very similar to Fleshgod Apocalypse, Mark Jansen was in various black metal bands in the late 90's, etc.)

I just don't hear any melodic death metal influence in Epica. Whether it be In Flames, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth, newschool Hypocrisy, oldschool Amorphis, Soilwork, Insomnium, Swallow The Sun or Wintersun - I don't hear anything in any Epica that feels like it was influenced by ANY of these bands.

I don't think they have DM influences, but I don't think it's possible to incorporate elements from Death Metal music into Symphonic Metal that easily. The song-writting of Symphonic Metal just doesn't fit the song-writting of Death Metal. But Melodeath kind of does...

Insomnium, Barren Earth, oldschool Amorphis, Swallow The Sun, etc. on the doomish side of melodic death metal are all great.

I also enjoy oldschool In Flames, At The Gates, Hypocrisy, etc.

And on the melodic death folk metal side, I enjoy Eluveitie / oldschool Ensiferum / Wintersun / Equilibrium.

Thanks :)

Epica's debut album(With the song "Cry For The Moon" which you linked) is very simplistic, premature and poorly mixed. While a lot of the songs are, and I don't understand why, regarded as "classics" from this album - it's really just because of age instead of quality.

K!

Consign to Oblivion(2nd album) is still relatively premature and simplistic, but it's much more enjoyable and fun. And both Simone AND Mark's vocals have greatly improved with this album. Still probably not something you'd enjoy though. (Although I will say, "The Last Crusade" is an absolute classic IMO)

Why would I dislike it?

The Divine Conspiracy and Design Your Universe both have a few more fillerish, somewhat poppish songs - but as a whole, the quality on these albums, greatly makes up for it.

K!

At 18 hours ago, Tobi wrote: I guess I misread you. I never said we can't criticize popular bands. I think Morbid Angel were always a turd, I can barely tolerate most Slayer after I went to their concerts, etc. I just find it funny that you are criticizing Death cause for 1) I usually see you praising him greatly, esp. ITP b) because it's often though that while they released some bland albums, it's often agreed upon that said albums were at least accessible/mediocre.

What I meant is not that big and influential bands are not criticized. I know some people dislike Slayer and Metallica.

What I meant is that when some big names of the metal scene game a good reputation, the fans of said band refuse all kind of critics toward these bands, especially in the case of very popular albums. It's just like these albums become untouchable by negative critics because they are raised to the rank of legendary albums.

I do like Death. They are an amazing band. I don't really hate any of their releases. But I do like some Nightrage material better than a lot of what Death released.

At 11 hours ago, Sense-Offender wrote: Krypteria does indeed rely on sex appeal, but I must admit I still like them. I especially like Victoriam Speramus.

Women are among all, the ones who should be dissapointed. I would hate to know that all I have achieved in my life relies on the fact that I have a pussy, a nice ass, tits and a cute little face. What kind of feeling of accomplishment can you hope to obtain through this? You are still just a girl getting attention because you are a girl.

I gotta check out Benighted. You talk about them a lot. and Blood Red Throne.

If you are going to check out Benighted, I suggest you start with Icon. Not that you would be dissapointed by any of their other albums, though. Knowing you, I feel you would be able to appreciate their music starting from about anywhere in their discography. Another plus is that each of their album shows progression over the last one. Not that the newest is always the best, but they never got stuck on one succesful formula to repeat it ever-after for all the next releases. Fantastic band. Amazing psychotic Brutal Death Metal/Grindcore. They even have Black Metal touches in their earlier work.

Oh, and you don't know Blood Red Throne either? Fantastic band! Altered Genesis is their best release by far. Brutalitarian Regime, which is their most recent and Affiliated With The Suffering are also quite magnificient releases. I think these guys are redefined Modern Death Metal. Their music is technical enough to be classified as Tech Death, but never do they fall in the mindless wanking you will find in bands like Braindrill or Beneath The Massacre. Their bassist is also one of my all time favorite musicians. He releases a lot of videos of himself playing bass on YouTube. His name is Erlend Caspersen, if you are interrested :)

Also, you should get a new sig to match this here snazzy redesign.

Why? :O

At 8 hours ago, TheSporkLord wrote: Hello Mr opinion how are you? I'm doing quite well myself.

All that ever bothers you is that I don't have the same opinions you do. When people think the same shit you do, they are great, when they don't you call them names and accuse them of not knowing enough about music. That's kind hypocritical.

Anyway I might as well add that I think Nightrage are one of the most generic melodeath/ metalcore bands out there.

No, no they are not. Especially considering the fact that their sound changes from an album to another.

Don't call them generic. I wouldn't say their most recent release is impressive, but Sweet Vengeance and Descent Into Chaos are anything but generic. If you want to accuse them of falling into a trend, go ahead, but that was only true since the release of A New Disease Is Born. On that specific record they do make these very generic switches between clean vocals and arshes vocals, or play some very smooth melodic riffs then drop into isolated heavy parts. Even with these elements, they still managed to put together a solid Melodic Death Metal album.

But generic cannot be a word you can use to describe Sweet Vengeance and Descent Into Chaos. But please, proove me wrong by telling me what picking method they use, what kind of chord progression they use and what song-progression they usually have. Because that's relevant, right? Everything that isn't progressive, avant-gardist or complex is shitty and generic.

At 7 hours ago, Zodir wrote: Woah, woah, woah, woah.....woah. I agreed with you! I said there were some great melodeath bands! I just said a lot of them were shit.

Lol, that "fake rage" really wasn't aimed at you :P