At 1/8/12 09:15 AM, Bahamut wrote: Yeah, Welcome 2 My Nightmare was a poor record. Just hearing the first song gives you a bad taste. At least it's the worst so the rest aren't as bad. Alice Cooper does not need a fucking autotune.

It is really so bad? I ask because I was thinking buying it

I am an absolute lover of death/doom and sludge but i am sort of coming to a stand still in bands and just going through what i have already heard. Can anyone mention some more underground bands similar to Humanfly and Illnath.

Also are there any Italian or Spanish bands metal bands that are worth looking into. I have heard some on the radio that sounded quite differant.

Keep it heavy brothers
Peace.

At 1/8/12 07:47 PM, twistex wrote: I am an absolute lover of death/doom and sludge but i am sort of coming to a stand still in bands and just going through what i have already heard. Can anyone mention some more underground bands similar to Humanfly and Illnath.

Illnath are a Symphonic Black Metal band.

And Humanfly are classified as Atmospheric Sludge Metal on Metal Archives. I don't know them, so that's why I'm refering to MA.

You sure you like Death/Doom? I can recommand you one band, named Thorr's Hammer. I think they kick asses big time :)

Thorr's Hammer - Norge

Also are there any Italian or Spanish bands metal bands that are worth looking into. I have heard some on the radio that sounded quite differant.

Rhapsody Of Fire (Italian Symphonic/Orchestral Power Metal)
Fleshgod Apocalypse (Italian Technical Death Metal with Neoclassical influences)
Magö De Oz (Spanish Folk Rock/Metal)

Keep it heavy brothers
Peace.

Hope you like the stuff I recommanded :)

At 1/7/12 03:13 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Amon Tobin - ISAM

I really need to pick this one up.

At 1/8/12 08:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/8/12 07:47 PM, twistex wrote: I am an absolute lover of death/doom and sludge but i am sort of coming to a stand still in bands and just going through what i have already heard. Can anyone mention some more underground bands similar to Humanfly and Illnath.

Illnath are a Symphonic Black Metal band.

And Humanfly are classified as Atmospheric Sludge Metal on Metal Archives. I don't know them, so that's why I'm refering to MA.

You sure you like Death/Doom? I can recommand you one band, named Thorr's Hammer. I think they kick asses big time :)

Thorr's Hammer - Norge

Also are there any Italian or Spanish bands metal bands that are worth looking into. I have heard some on the radio that sounded quite differant.

Rhapsody Of Fire (Italian Symphonic/Orchestral Power Metal)
Fleshgod Apocalypse (Italian Technical Death Metal with Neoclassical influences)
Magö De Oz (Spanish Folk Rock/Metal)

Keep it heavy brothers
Peace.

At 1/8/12 09:15 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/7/12 05:02 PM, Viper50 wrote: @Bahamut
i didnt know that alice cooper album counted as being really metal...

Whoops, that one did slip but I suppose it could be a list of all releases from 2011. However, if that's the case I should have included Primus' latest album.

Granted, it's not metal.

but i was somewhat disappointed with Welcome 2 My Nightmare...

Yeah, Welcome 2 My Nightmare was a poor record. Just hearing the first song gives you a bad taste.

Fucking Philistines! Just because it's not to your taste does not make it a poor record - he's gone back to his roots, with the shock rock. Caffiene is awesome. While I Am Made Of You may be slightly too long, it's not a bad song, with it hearkening back to the days of Welcome To My Nightmare and he's singing to Steven, basically showing that Alice is all a figment of Steven's imagination, so therefore it's all Steven's fault.

I'll throw out two more tracks that really impressed me - I'll Bite Your Face Off and What Baby Wants, as they really make me smile, being exactly what Alice was looking for, to take this album places.

At 1/8/12 12:42 PM, Viper50 wrote: At least it's the worst so the rest aren't as bad. Alice Cooper does not need a fucking autotune. seriously why would he need one?
Alice Cooper is an already awesome singer
whoever decided he should use one is a fucking idiot.

That was probably Alice himself :P

and why did he do a song with kesha? she looks like a crack whore version of taylor swift or some other stupid singer that gets more praise then they should.

He chooses good artists, because of the sound they produce, not the lifestyle. He loves Axl Rose's voice, yet hates the fact that his music gets political. I mean, look at him, he's hardly a good looking bloke, is he? He likes Lady Gaga and out of her or the dead cow she wore, I'd probably rather have sex with the cow. But that said, that girl can sing.

The only other choice he really had for a female vocalist for What Baby Wants could have really been Calico, since she's pretty good, considering that she's not professional (at least I don't know that she is...)

At 1/8/12 04:29 PM, BillPatton wrote: Welcome 2 my Nightmare...MAJOR LETDOWN..seems to me ole Vinny let some schmuck dictate the albums content and production.

Of all the people, Bill. You as well, with uninformed comments? He'd wanted a sequel to one of his works for a while (Along Came A Spider, I think it was) and Bob Ezrin apparently floated the idea of Welcome 2, so Alice ran with it.

To anyone that ridicules the album entirely, for whatever reason, they just don't get Alice. Sure, it may not be his best album, by some distance, but it's hardly the worst piece that the man has ever created.

At 1/8/12 12:42 PM, Viper50 wrote: i ended up just downloading it so i could hear it so if i liked it i would go out and get a copy...

Thankfully I heard it online beforehand. Hell, just having it as a magazine promo for four weeks actually saved me. I like Welcome to My Nightmare but the sequel, not so much. Then again, sequels are often risky so I shouldn't have been surprised if the album was a dud.

At 1/9/12 08:50 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:15 AM, Bahamut wrote: Whoops, that one did slip but I suppose it could be a list of all releases from 2011. However, if that's the case I should have included Primus' latest album.

Granted, it's not metal.

"I suppose it could be a list of ALL releases"

The keyword is all had I included Primus as well.

Yeah, Welcome 2 My Nightmare was a poor record. Just hearing the first song gives you a bad taste.

Fucking Philistines! Just because it's not to your taste does not make it a poor record

No, it really is a poor record when I listened to it. Yes, there are some good songs but I Am Made of You? Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever? What Baby Wants? Really?? When the most enjoyable song on the entire album was The Underture, a medley of songs from the original album, you know you're in trouble.

he's gone back to his roots, with the shock rock.

Yeah, the autotuning, the Ke$ha cameo and that awfully poppish Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever which I'm sure I heard a similar melody on an old 90s pop song are sure shocking. :P I'll give the album credit, though. It wasn't as big of an experimental failure as Illud Divinum Insanus.

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Well, I'm getting sick of this. AllMusic's reviews.

The first line states your problem instantly. Allmusic utterly blow at their "reviews" and Wikipedia have to be complete dumbshits to even consider them "professional reviewers". I can't even name any other kind of reviewer that puts me in so much disgust.

I like reviews, they tell what people think. But if we're only getting a single review for all this work, I'd much prefer to see it from a fan's perspective rather than some snobby pop-loving critic. I could only imagine how the obscure and unknown bands I listen to would be reviewed.

To think MA is more reliable than these douchebags. I follow a few metal reviewers on the internet so I'd much prefer to hear what they have to say about Album X.

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Pantera's Power Metal; 2.5/5. This review was more tasteful than the one they left for Saxon, I find it most surprising that it was slightly complimenting but left such a low rating. Even more though would be how the only issue this reviewer had with this album is that it's a pure 80s album, no shit.

That album should be rated lower. Giving it a 2.5/5 is generous. One of the most generic, uninspired 80s albums I've ever heard. Though, I've got to admit that some of the songs have pretty cool opening.

Despite all that, it's still Pantera's best album.

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Judas Priest's Jugulator; 2/5. Personally I'll admit it's my least favorite of Judas Priest's line of albums, but it's pure 90s and has a lot of headbanging material. And even holds one of my favorite songs; cathedral spires.

This album needs more than a 2/5.
The album in general is not too bad, although changed their style more deathmetal it has many good songs.

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Well, I'm getting sick of this. AllMusic's reviews.

Oh great. So I'm not the only one who thinks the review text doesn't have that much to do with the score they give out. In my opinion more often than not the review score simply contradicts what has been said in the review.

Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

At 1/9/12 08:47 PM, CoCo wrote: Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

What? Really?Damn it...I hope that get better

At 1/9/12 08:47 PM, CoCo wrote: Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

i heard about that :(
i hope he gets better D:
it would be a tragedy if he died :'(

At 1/9/12 08:47 PM, CoCo wrote: Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

FUCK.

I don't really know what else to say. I wish him luck. Gonna go check out his solo material.

Also, Power Metal has some pretty good songs on it, and some really, REALLY, bad ones. Power Metal, Death Trap, Over and Out, and Down Below being the good ones. I think the whole Glam thrash worked pretty well for those songs, but the rest are painfully bad. I also enjoyed CFH, especially for a groove album. Anything after that album really sucks to me, cause then they got that stupid tough guy persona. Really, Walk fucking sucks, just saying.

Speaking of Groove, anyone know some good bands?

but on a lighter note...
Happy 68th Birthday Jimmy Page

Jon Lord was also just diagnosed with cancer..that's 2..who's next?

At 1/9/12 01:31 PM, Bahamut wrote: Then again, sequels are often risky so I shouldn't have been surprised if the album was a dud.

Album sequels are common? The only thing I can think of that's common in that respect is The Unforgiven II and Unforgiven III by Metallica.

I know that rule of thumb usually applies to films, but come on.

Sure, in your opinion, the album was a dud, but it's far from complete trash.

At 1/9/12 08:50 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:15 AM, Bahamut wrote: Yeah, Welcome 2 My Nightmare was a poor record. Just hearing the first song gives you a bad taste.

Fucking Philistines! Just because it's not to your taste does not make it a poor record

No, it really is a poor record when I listened to it.

In your opinion. No more, no less.

Yes, there are some good songs but I Am Made of You? Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever? What Baby Wants? Really?? When the most enjoyable song on the entire album was The Underture, a medley of songs from the original album, you know you're in trouble.

Clearly we have different tastes in music, but I'm not just thinking the song itself, but the writing, when it comes to I Am Made Of You. Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever may end up getting more exposure for Alice, because it sounds like some more mainstream pop. Hook the fans, get them into the better stuff.

he's gone back to his roots, with the shock rock.

Yeah, the autotuning, the Ke$ha cameo and that awfully poppish Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever which I'm sure I heard a similar melody on an old 90s pop song are sure shocking. :P I'll give the album credit, though. It wasn't as big of an experimental failure as Illud Divinum Insanus.

I like What Baby Wants, because of the way that Alice had to tone down Ke$sha's lyrics, because she made them bad enough to shock him.

I'm thinking that because it's not metal, you're writing it off, which is saddening, because of all people, I don't want to think of you as elitist.

I'm just going to stand here waving the flag for Welcome 2, because it's not a bad album, by a long shot. In your opinion, it may be disappointing, but that alone cannot turn a decent album into a bad one.

At 1/9/12 03:05 PM, rockereaper wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Judas Priest's Jugulator; 2/5. Personally I'll admit it's my least favorite of Judas Priest's line of albums, but it's pure 90s and has a lot of headbanging material. And even holds one of my favorite songs; cathedral spires.

This album needs more than a 2/5.
The album in general is not too bad, although changed their style more deathmetal it has many good songs.

Eh, I wasn't fond of Ripper Owens era Judas Priest except for a few songs. Jugulator is better than Demolition, though since the second Owens Priest album felt really stretched out.

At 1/9/12 07:40 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Here's one of my favorite Allmusic reviews. It's Believe by Disturbed.

The most laughable I've seen is their "review" for The Spectre WIthin:

"Although Fates Warning was beginning to create their own sound as a metal band, they were still not a progressive band at this point. The bombastic pounding, dueling guitars, and falsetto singing defined this genre perfectly. Metal fans may enjoy this more than Night on Brocken, especially "Pirates of the Underground" and "The Apparition," but there is very little, if anything, for the progressive fan."

So because the sound was different to what they would be known for later on, it sucks?

At 1/9/12 08:47 PM, CoCo wrote: Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

I heard last night. Shit news that is.

At 1/10/12 06:56 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:31 PM, Bahamut wrote: Then again, sequels are often risky so I shouldn't have been surprised if the album was a dud.

Album sequels are common? The only thing I can think of that's common in that respect is The Unforgiven II and Unforgiven III by Metallica.

Making a sequel to an album feels no different to a movie apart from, well, it's not a film, it's a record.

Sure, in your opinion, the album was a dud, but it's far from complete trash.

Yeah, it's far from being as good as Trash.

Clearly we have different tastes in music, but I'm not just thinking the song itself, but the writing, when it comes to I Am Made Of You. Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever may end up getting more exposure for Alice, because it sounds like some more mainstream pop. Hook the fans, get them into the better stuff.

And that's what you call selling out. ;)

I'm thinking that because it's not metal, you're writing it off, which is saddening, because of all people, I don't want to think of you as elitist.

If that was the case, I would have written off Alice Cooper entirely which I haven't. The point is, Welcome 2 My Nightmare does absolutely nothing to follow the original.

The weather was surprisingly nice today for January in Indiana, so I rolled down my windows while driving home and I popped in my copy of Vektor's new CD, Outer Isolation. Thrash metal blaring from my car while driving down the road? Hell yes. I cannot begin to count how many weird looks I got from that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og0g_l-N lI Michael Kiske's new band. He's 43 years old and his voice has not degraded at all

At 1/10/12 08:38 PM, CoCo wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9og0g_l-N lI Michael Kiske's new band. He's 43 years old and his voice has not degraded at all

hmm not bad
in fact i like it

At 1/9/12 09:27 PM, Tobi wrote: Speaking of Groove, anyone know some good bands?

Exhorder and Prong. The only two good groove metal bands. As you would expect, they were both ripped off and bastardized by unoriginal people like Pantera and every nu-metal bands ever for money.

At 1/10/12 06:56 AM, Coop wrote: Clearly we have different tastes in music, but I'm not just thinking the song itself, but the writing, when it comes to I Am Made Of You. Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever may end up getting more exposure for Alice, because it sounds like some more mainstream pop. Hook the fans, get them into the better stuff.

That's called dumbing down your sound, and never works. Even if they check out Alice Cooper's early stuff, they'll still keep listening to their shit bands.

At 1/9/12 08:47 PM, CoCo wrote: Tony Iommi has been diagnosed with early stages of lymphona cancer.

I missed that yesterday, because of my heated discussion. I hope he recovers, as he's the biggest Villa Fan in Metal, by far.

At 1/10/12 01:01 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/10/12 06:56 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:31 PM, Bahamut wrote:

Sure, in your opinion, the album was a dud, but it's far from complete trash.

Yeah, it's far from being as good as Trash.

While I agree that Trash is a better album than this, that was not what I meant. Cheeky.

Clearly we have different tastes in music, but I'm not just thinking the song itself, but the writing, when it comes to I Am Made Of You. Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever may end up getting more exposure for Alice, because it sounds like some more mainstream pop. Hook the fans, get them into the better stuff.

And that's what you call selling out. ;)

No, selling out would be saying that Welcome 2 My Nightmare was brought to you by Pepsi. Alice doesn't bring out new material for money any more than David Cameron cuts public spending to help him - he does it for fun.

I'm thinking that because it's not metal, you're writing it off, which is saddening, because of all people, I don't want to think of you as elitist.

If that was the case, I would have written off Alice Cooper entirely which I haven't. The point is, Welcome 2 My Nightmare does absolutely nothing to follow the original.

I've done a lot of research on it in the past few days and I think that Metalholic Magazine said it best, when they said that "While the original encapsulated a moment in time, the follow-up encapsulates a career."

Steven is still having his nightmares and they have grown to something epically proportioned. Alice is a monster, but a monster that appeals to a very wide range of fans. Clearly this is not everyone, but if you could please everyone, your life would be boring - that would mean an end to shock rock, which isn't what Alice is about at all!

At 1/10/12 05:25 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: The difference is movies (almost) always have a story and albums don't. So technically, in order for a sequel to an album to truly be a sequel, wouldn't it have to be continuing the story of a preceding album?

Just depends on the album's aspect, I guess. Still, Welcome 2 My Nightmare does not hold a candle that the original had.

At 1/10/12 08:32 PM, Zodir wrote: The weather was surprisingly nice today for January in Indiana, so I rolled down my windows while driving home and I popped in my copy of Vektor's new CD, Outer Isolation. Thrash metal blaring from my car while driving down the road? Hell yes. I cannot begin to count how many weird looks I got from that.

It gets better with more listens for sure. I better make it a high priority for my music purchases.

At 1/11/12 08:15 AM, Coop wrote:

At 1/10/12 01:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: Yeah, it's far from being as good as Trash.

While I agree that Trash is a better album than this, that was not what I meant. Cheeky.

Trash is a classic for sure.

Clearly this is not everyone, but if you could please everyone, your life would be boring - that would mean an end to shock rock, which isn't what Alice is about at all!

Sad that in this age, shock rock means shit. You could say Illud Divinum Insanus is "shock rock" because of its industrial/techno elements, you could say Lulu is "shock rock" because of, well, I don't even need to explain Lulu.

congrats, Bill!

I hope Iommi is okay.

At 1/8/12 01:09 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote: Does anyone listen to the band Beyond Creation?

I like it.

At 1/8/12 03:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Anything else I'm forgetting?

new Solefald, mang. It is sweet.

And since you're digging Arch/Matheos, you should check out Fate's Warning. The early stuff is pretty power-ish, but the later stuff is straight up prog metal.

They did :)

That Sepultura dude called me dumb for saying it. That's why I brought it up here.

At 1/9/12 12:56 PM, Razz wrote: Pantera's Power Metal

pussytight! tonight!

At 1/9/12 02:31 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

Despite all that, it's still Pantera's best album.

I'd say it's their second best, though it's pretty mediocre overall. I still thought Cowboys From Hell was awesome.

At 1/9/12 09:27 PM, Tobi wrote: Speaking of Groove, anyone know some good bands?

Fear Factory is alright.

At 1/10/12 08:38 PM, CoCo wrote: Michael Kiske's new band.

meh

At 1/11/12 03:41 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So how many pages did we lose due to the batman64 account being deleted?

Someone recalled nearly 100.

At 1/11/12 04:14 PM, Tobi wrote:

At 1/11/12 03:41 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So how many pages did we lose due to the batman64 account being deleted?

Someone recalled nearly 100.

I wrote a book as I stated I was going to do when I first logged in back in 04.
Actually a couple but who's counting.
I have absolutely no regrets in regards to batman64's deletion and feel warranted and justified by my decision.
Things were posted in the past that needed to be deleted..but only the older members would have remembered unless others bothered to check.
Batman64 wrote a LOT at times..guess no one actually took time to read all his posts..oh well.
It's all remembered by me and that's what counts.

Now again I am misquoted in regards to a comment I made regarding Vincent's latest release.
Nobody in here..NOBODY..loves the Welcome to my Nightmare album as much as I do.
Memorized it upon first listen as a child..viewed all the TV specials as they were first aired..Yepper..dancing spiders, Vinny Price..all. I loved it all.

jump to Along Came a Spider..album fukkin kicks from beginning to end..Steven done right again..hard, darkened..yeah it works great as a follow up in the Steven story as well..not a Super album but very good nonetheless..ESSENTIAL for followers of the Steven saga.

Welcome 2 my nightmare..now here is my review.

I am made of you..so promising from opening notes..a good tune actually...love how the familiar keys play throughout...yeah mechanized vocals, actually it fits here in the parts utilized. like this track. good solo as well..yeah so far so good.

Caffeine..Vinny on a nostalgia trip sped up to 77...decent track..familiar..not great but good..response to when he did the actual nightmare in a drunken whirlwind..kind of explains the new content as well as execution of it..take or leave track

The nightmare returns..fukk yeahhhhhhhhhhhh..awesome tribute..standout track so far...ah sweet remembrance...

A runaway train..familiar rehash of what Vinny finds familiar enough..storytelling..good rockin tune but does not stand out for in my humble opinion he has done it before and it has been surpassed by previous works..good take it or leave it track..shockabilly Vinny style..sound effects overplay the song in the end...not great but decent

Last man on earth..harkening back to the original's cabaret sound..it's vaudeville roots..ok track..not great in a long shot..could have been better with a lil more effort in producing a better mix of instrumentation ..the attempt i applaud..performance in my opinion is somewhat flawed.
nothing new actually..and a few instruments i feel were just tossed in for effect to achieve a sound without actually creating something new in it's performance..i.e. the brass section..and the repeating of the mine mine me me was already played out and in this track to me at least seems annoying..not a good track in my opinion..i can leave this one

The Congregation..fukk yeahhhhhhhh..same formula but done right this time..another familiar sing along harkening back to days when sing alongs reigned..keeper for sure..yeah Vinny back on track..makes up a bit for the previous track...

I'll bite your face off...what's not to like?..the cheesy music and lyrics perhaps? not a fave by a long shot..can see the attempt but again feel it falls short in it's actuality ..lil too familiar to me and not in a good way..can leave this one..good solo though short..almost redeems itself..almost.

Disco Bloodbath Boogie Fever...fuck you Vinny..Disco always sucked and fuck you for trying to resurrect it even if performed jokingly...can definitely leave this track for the feverish maggots to consume on a feverish saturday night..worst track so far with only a few moments of worthwhile listening which soon falls into familiar territory yet again..fuck you Vinny for this one..love ya otherwise bro..

Ghouls run wild..sorry Vinny..misfits called and want this one back...not a great one..not that good...cheese only goes so far..shoulda used a better blend..tried for Gouda..wound up with cheap canned spread..not keeper.

Something to remember me by..I do remember Vinny...done it better..nice try..still can do it..just really saw no need again except to follow the original formula and make a buck on a ballad..does not have the true feeling as previously laid bare..whereas the original only women bleed was groundbreaking at the time..this track sadly just lays upon well treaded ground..shoulda, coulda been better..

When Hell comes home..like this one..familiar but in a good way..nice dark and gritty the way Steven belongs..a keeper with the right feel and execution..would have felt right on the along came a spider album...good rockin track

what baby wants..yeah she got it..she got cred for being on a cooper album and damn you Vinny for just adding another to the guest list..disco died for a reason Vinny..damn you once again..trying to resurrect Thriller..which upon memories of that was not a great album as well...fuck you VInny once again..one slap wasn't enough..had to slap the other cheek...loved you Vinny but this pushes it...Radio Friendly shit for the bloated maggots...my opinion anyway

I gotta get out of here...sadly i must agree..not a keeper but ok..decent storytelling but nothing to write about...a sad swansong..humorous perhaps..but in the end rather sad..a tear falls for Steven..

The Underture...A classic redone..and fukkin done well..this is what it was all about and should have stayed as...except for a few insertions which i feel never needed inserting..good, shoulda coulda been fantastic..mixed on this one..whereas I LOVE the familiar on this track i truly despise a few insertions.....

All in all a failed masterpiece..coulda shoulda..yet in the end it's why didya...i LOVE Steven the rock rebel..truly despise Stevie the disco bore....

so yeah..decent perhaps but not in my opinion a worthy followup..Welcome..Along..those 2 are great...welcome 2..should have spent more time on it, deleted a couple track ideas..and tried for art instead of fulfilling a contract obligation..good album..could have been fantastic..

back to work..made another vid lol..15 vids in a week

Keep it HEAVY
peace

At 1/11/12 07:07 PM, BillPatton wrote: Batman64 wrote a LOT at times..guess no one actually took time to read all his posts..oh well.

Though I didn't read all you're posts (I've looked at some of your really early stuff, and read random pages in the Club far back), I've always tried to read every post made made since my activity here. I don't always have the time to reply, or I didn't feel I could contribute anything beyond "thats cool" or "I like that too". But anyway, congrats, and good to see your doing well. Read your review, but I haven't listened to much AC. I guess seeing as you love WTMN so much, I'll check that out.

Any other essential AC albums?

Also, as some of you may know, Autopsy is coming out with a new Complication album, "All Tomorrow's Funerals", which includes 2 new songs, a rerecording of the song "Mauled to Death", and every EP, remastered by the bands themselves (I trust they know enough about what they do not to pull a Mustaine). I like Autopsy when I get it, and I don't think the money I shelled out for Macabre Eternal was enough of a reward. Macabre Eternal was amazing, and I can't wait for the new release, even if it's only 2 new songs.

So what do you guys think?

At 1/10/12 01:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: So because the sound was different to what they would be known for later on, it sucks?

No it sucks because it sucks. The fact it's no where near the quality of their later works only adds to why FW's first three albums suck.

Why those albums get their dicks sucked SO MUCH is beyond me. They're absolute borefests. And Alder is definitely a superior vocalist to Arch, despite the trendy opinion.

At 1/10/12 10:31 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 1/9/12 09:27 PM, Tobi wrote: Speaking of Groove, anyone know some good bands?

Exhorder and Prong. The only two good groove metal bands. As you would expect, they were both ripped off and bastardized by unoriginal people like Pantera and every nu-metal bands ever for money.

I second both Exhorder and Prong. I also think Pantera's "Cowboys From Hell" is a GREAT album, despite them sucking quite a lot of dick on every other album. (Both before and afterwards)

Machine Head's first few albums were great, and their new album is AMAZING. Their middle era stuff is pretty shit though, but I haven't listened to it extensively so I don't know.

According to wikipedia and metal archives, Byzantine are groove metal. I've never listened to them personally, but i've heard nothing but AMAZING things about them - so they'll probably be worth checking out.

If you count them as groove, Sepultura are great. Their 80's stuff is oldschool death metal bordering on thrash metal. Arise and Chaos A.D. - which are my two favorite Sepultura albums - are both a mixture of death metal and "groove" and come out greatly and are easily two of my all time favorite death metal albums. Roots is crazy experimental and just plain fucking weird, so if you like that kind of thing - it's for you. It also features guest appearances from people like Les Claypool, Mike Patton and Korn if my memory serves me correctly. Screw Sepultura AFTER Roots though.

And if you like Sepultura, check out Cavalera Conspiracy - it's Max Cavalera and Igor Cavalera's current band. They write some pretty kickass death metal with a lot of thrash and groove elements. And they also bust out tons of Sepultura classics live.

Lazarus A.D. are a modern thrash metal band, but they're also worth checking out. They have very obvious Pantera and Exhorder influences. They're pretty decent.

If you count them as groove metal, which I personally don't, Corrosion of Conformity are also great. Personally i've always viewed them as more grunge, but I hear the groove metal tag get attached to them a lot for some odd reason. I think they're grunge, but either way - they're great.

Also, I feel it's worth mentioning that almost all sludge (whether it be traditional sludge, stoner sludge or neosludge) has groove elements in it. Not anywhere nearly as much as the trademark groove metal bands, but still.

Steven Wilson - No Part Of Me

At 1/11/12 09:42 PM, Tobi wrote:

At 1/11/12 07:07 PM, BillPatton wrote: Batman64 wrote a LOT at times..guess no one actually took time to read all his posts..oh well.

Though I didn't read all you're posts (I've looked at some of your really early stuff, and read random pages in the Club far back), I've always tried to read every post made made since my activity here. I don't always have the time to reply, or I didn't feel I could contribute anything beyond "thats cool" or "I like that too". But anyway, congrats, and good to see your doing well. Read your review, but I haven't listened to much AC. I guess seeing as you love WTMN so much, I'll check that out.

Any other essential AC albums?

Also, as some of you may know, Autopsy is coming out with a new Complication album, "All Tomorrow's Funerals", which includes 2 new songs, a rerecording of the song "Mauled to Death", and every EP, remastered by the bands themselves (I trust they know enough about what they do not to pull a Mustaine). I like Autopsy when I get it, and I don't think the money I shelled out for Macabre Eternal was enough of a reward. Macabre Eternal was amazing, and I can't wait for the new release, even if it's only 2 new songs.

So what do you guys think?

youre looking for Alice Cooper albums to listen to?
i could list a few of my favorites...
Trash, Schools Out, Greatest Hits (1974 or was it 1973...), Welcome To My Nightmare, Muscle Of Love, Pretties For You, Billion Dollar Babies, and Love It To Death.
granted thats a someone good sized chunk of his discography there is not really anything i dont like by him (other than what i stated earlier)