At 12/15/11 01:36 PM, rockereaper wrote:
At 12/15/11 01:21 AM, twistex wrote:
Just brought Xerath's new album II and i am loving it. Just fantastic, $15 well spent.
Wow $15 for an album, dude that´s a lot of money
Considering how much material the band needs to buy to be able to play and record their music, how much work and effort they put on the record, I'd say $15 is a pretty goog deal.
At 12/15/11 02:59 PM, batman64 wrote:
Support the band?
I always thought a band plays music to..I dunno..just play music and share it with those who want to hear it.
And it's wrong to earn money doing what you like to do? They work hard, just like anybody else works. Why shouldn't they get any retributions?
That 15 dollars is only going to support the damn label..you know, the ones who TAKE the artist's money and then have the ARTIST pay them so I dunno..they can play and share the music.
This is also kind of silly. We like to complain about the label, but the label also gives money to the bands to help them record their shit, they make the CD's, print the booklets, get the contracts with CD stores, distribute the CD... and much more. Yeah, we like to see them as the big bad guys of the music industry, but they do stuff for the band.
I always thought Music was free..so why pay for a damned plastic coaster and a dead tree?
And why would music be free? I'm not pleading that it shouldn't be, but why is it so obvious to you that these guys shouldn't get any money for all the hard work they do?
Plus, an album is far more than a plastic coaster and a dead tree. I like to have the CD in my hands. To me, the physical copy, the artwork, the booklet is a part of the album. I'm proud to own The Odyssey by Symphonic X, Bergtatt by Ulver and Ashes Against The Grain by Agalloch. The physical copy brings something more to the album.
You want to support the band? maybe tell them to stop paying to just play a song.
Yeah, and stop buying guitars, and amps, and drums, and mics, and stop paying for all the guys who work in the studios like the sound enginereer, the producer and all the production team. Should these guys also do it for free ? Or maybe these guys have the right to be paid but not the musicians?
And if you want to support a REAL Artist..tell em to cut the damn strings and stop buying their damned noose...it's only a song until someone labels it. think about it next time you are about to buy a piece of useless plastic and a dead tree...just to hear a song that was supposed to be free all along.
You have to back this up with arguments Bill. Why should music be free?
At 12/15/11 05:38 PM, batman64 wrote:
and why buy the shirt? you know somebody else is getting a cut.
Here is somewhat of a radical thought.
download for free when offered...it's offered why not accept it?
then maybe get the artist's address..and simply send your support directly to the artist.
why pay someone else when u can simply go to the source.
And who knows...the artist will get more support and if not greedy maybe just give you that 2 dollar shirt for free...and if that artist turns around and charges you anyway...well then maybe that so called artist was only in it for the money to begin with...just a thought given for free.
You seem to believe that money can only be earned by taking it up the ass...
Why shouldn't someone's hard work be rewarded ? They worked on their music, just like a writer worked on a book, or how a cook worked on a meal, or how a lumberjack worked on cutting a tree...
And the bands usually take care of the merchs by themselves. I remember buying a Fleshgod Apocalypse t-shirt and it was the band's bassist who took care of my order. They get all the money when you buy a t-shirt, minus what it cost them to produce it.
At 12/15/11 06:15 PM, SomaGuye wrote:
At 12/15/11 05:38 PM, batman64 wrote:
and why buy the shirt? you know somebody else is getting a cut.
No most artists handle their own merch, at least the small sized (aka most metal bands) bands do.
That.
At 12/16/11 06:58 AM, batman64 wrote:
I have a serious question to those who actually take time to think of an answer.
A person creates art to share correct?
Yes.
so why must one pay to simply hear that song or look at that painting?
is it because one feels the need to own it?
it is only a song til YOU pay the singer.
I don't think there is one single answer to these questions. Of course not, you don't need to pay to listen to the music. You can go on all your life listenning to tracks on YouTube, this is like watching anything else on the web. No you don't pay for it...
When I give money to an artist it's because I'm happy they entertained me, I'm happy they share their work with me. No, I don't pay for all my music, but when I'm deeply in love with an album, I try to buy it, to show support, to have that good feeling of owning an hard copy with the artwork, booklet, cd design, etc, to show I appreciated it and to encourage the band into doing some more. Because if they don't have the time or the money to play, then maybe they will stop recording. And if they have more time to write and record music and not worry about having another job, then I like it.
support the artist?..seriously? for playing a song he or she claims was only a song?
seriously?
so u want to pay another to simply play a song? seriously?
I fail to understand what you mean when you say that? What do you mean "only a song"?
only reason u pay is to buy the packaging...is it really that difficult to comprehend?
No. You don't pay for the packaging. You give money to someone to show appreciation.
u pay 25 bucks to see a few have fun onstage and play a song in a crowd of people yelling and blocking your view and you wonder why you at times can not hear the full song?
You pay because the band needs money to travel and play for you, and because they need to live for fuck sake.
hell..watch the video..better sound and picture and u can actually enjoy it.
support another for having fun at your expense?
seriously?
u pay 25 bucks and sit in a chair hardly hearing the music and seeing images move on a stage because u are far back?
Saw a lot of band and that never happenned to me. The live experience is fantastic and supporting the band and helping them with all the shit they need to pay for is a good feeling because at least you feel you are contributing to their art. That's still better than buying a 3rd PS3 because Sony fucks you up the butt with the billion dollars and their cheap gaming systems.
A few bucks to help a musician write more music is not much.
seriously?
why the hell must one pay to simply hear someone play a song?
so u want to pay just to be in another man's presence?
it is only a best seller if u buy it
So em... all live performances should be free? The guy mixing the sound shouldn't be paid also, and then em... the guy who does the lighting neither, he shouldn't be paid, that's stupid. Then em, the promoter shouldn't be paid, he's just promoting a live artist or magician or other artist, the guy who own's the venue shouldn't pay either, he's just holding a place where people play music, and since it's stupid to pay for music, then he shouldn't have to pay... and then... FUCK THAT!
Playing music costs money, touring costs money, recording music costs money.
And you seem to believe that someone just SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED to make a living from music.
You pay because someone comes in spends money to take a plane and carry all his fucking material to play FOR YOU! You pay because the guy paid for his fucking ticket to come and play for you. He paid for the food he ate, he paid for the bus, he paid the staff of the venue he plays at!
There is no logical answer to give you. Just a practical one. It's not that the music in itself has an intrinsic monetary value, but the fact that the musician pays to be able to play his music.
Can you give me a logical answer to why a musician shouldn't be paid to play music?
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