Welcome, dude. I've never heard of those, but I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to oldschool traditional heavy metal. I listen to a lot of oldschool thrash/speed metal and death metal and a few early 90's black metal albums, though. Some would say I'm pretty much the avant-garde metal expert. I'd bet Dalnaki, Bill, or Bruce would know at least one of those bands. Dalnaki and Bill know a lot of oldschool stuff, though Dal's specialty is oldschool death metal. Bruce just knows a whole lot about the obscure and underground metal bands, especially black metal. What other kinds of metal do you like? Also, what do you think of harsh vocals?