At 12/16/11 06:57 PM, DeIirium wrote: There's also Intestine Baalism from Japan, one of my favorite melodic death metal bands.

Intestine Baalism are amazing.

At 12/16/11 08:01 PM, PenisClown wrote:

At 12/16/11 05:48 PM, JaY11 wrote: Boris are the best band ever.

They're playing in perth in March... I'm gunna call the place and ask to support them haha

That would be intense... I saw them earlier this year with Russian Circles being supported by a stoner metal band called Saade.

At 12/15/11 01:36 PM, rockereaper wrote:

At 12/15/11 01:21 AM, twistex wrote: Just brought Xerath's new album II and i am loving it. Just fantastic, $15 well spent.

Wow $15 for an album, dude that´s a lot of money

Considering how much material the band needs to buy to be able to play and record their music, how much work and effort they put on the record, I'd say $15 is a pretty goog deal.

At 12/15/11 02:59 PM, batman64 wrote: Support the band?
I always thought a band plays music to..I dunno..just play music and share it with those who want to hear it.

And it's wrong to earn money doing what you like to do? They work hard, just like anybody else works. Why shouldn't they get any retributions?

That 15 dollars is only going to support the damn label..you know, the ones who TAKE the artist's money and then have the ARTIST pay them so I dunno..they can play and share the music.

This is also kind of silly. We like to complain about the label, but the label also gives money to the bands to help them record their shit, they make the CD's, print the booklets, get the contracts with CD stores, distribute the CD... and much more. Yeah, we like to see them as the big bad guys of the music industry, but they do stuff for the band.

I always thought Music was free..so why pay for a damned plastic coaster and a dead tree?

And why would music be free? I'm not pleading that it shouldn't be, but why is it so obvious to you that these guys shouldn't get any money for all the hard work they do?

Plus, an album is far more than a plastic coaster and a dead tree. I like to have the CD in my hands. To me, the physical copy, the artwork, the booklet is a part of the album. I'm proud to own The Odyssey by Symphonic X, Bergtatt by Ulver and Ashes Against The Grain by Agalloch. The physical copy brings something more to the album.

You want to support the band? maybe tell them to stop paying to just play a song.

Yeah, and stop buying guitars, and amps, and drums, and mics, and stop paying for all the guys who work in the studios like the sound enginereer, the producer and all the production team. Should these guys also do it for free ? Or maybe these guys have the right to be paid but not the musicians?

And if you want to support a REAL Artist..tell em to cut the damn strings and stop buying their damned noose...it's only a song until someone labels it. think about it next time you are about to buy a piece of useless plastic and a dead tree...just to hear a song that was supposed to be free all along.

You have to back this up with arguments Bill. Why should music be free?

At 12/15/11 05:38 PM, batman64 wrote: and why buy the shirt? you know somebody else is getting a cut.
Here is somewhat of a radical thought.
download for free when offered...it's offered why not accept it?
then maybe get the artist's address..and simply send your support directly to the artist.
why pay someone else when u can simply go to the source.
And who knows...the artist will get more support and if not greedy maybe just give you that 2 dollar shirt for free...and if that artist turns around and charges you anyway...well then maybe that so called artist was only in it for the money to begin with...just a thought given for free.

You seem to believe that money can only be earned by taking it up the ass...

Why shouldn't someone's hard work be rewarded ? They worked on their music, just like a writer worked on a book, or how a cook worked on a meal, or how a lumberjack worked on cutting a tree...

And the bands usually take care of the merchs by themselves. I remember buying a Fleshgod Apocalypse t-shirt and it was the band's bassist who took care of my order. They get all the money when you buy a t-shirt, minus what it cost them to produce it.

At 12/15/11 06:15 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 12/15/11 05:38 PM, batman64 wrote: and why buy the shirt? you know somebody else is getting a cut.

No most artists handle their own merch, at least the small sized (aka most metal bands) bands do.

That.

At 12/16/11 06:58 AM, batman64 wrote: I have a serious question to those who actually take time to think of an answer.
A person creates art to share correct?

Yes.

so why must one pay to simply hear that song or look at that painting?
is it because one feels the need to own it?
it is only a song til YOU pay the singer.

I don't think there is one single answer to these questions. Of course not, you don't need to pay to listen to the music. You can go on all your life listenning to tracks on YouTube, this is like watching anything else on the web. No you don't pay for it...

When I give money to an artist it's because I'm happy they entertained me, I'm happy they share their work with me. No, I don't pay for all my music, but when I'm deeply in love with an album, I try to buy it, to show support, to have that good feeling of owning an hard copy with the artwork, booklet, cd design, etc, to show I appreciated it and to encourage the band into doing some more. Because if they don't have the time or the money to play, then maybe they will stop recording. And if they have more time to write and record music and not worry about having another job, then I like it.

support the artist?..seriously? for playing a song he or she claims was only a song?
seriously?
so u want to pay another to simply play a song? seriously?

I fail to understand what you mean when you say that? What do you mean "only a song"?

only reason u pay is to buy the packaging...is it really that difficult to comprehend?

No. You don't pay for the packaging. You give money to someone to show appreciation.

u pay 25 bucks to see a few have fun onstage and play a song in a crowd of people yelling and blocking your view and you wonder why you at times can not hear the full song?

You pay because the band needs money to travel and play for you, and because they need to live for fuck sake.

hell..watch the video..better sound and picture and u can actually enjoy it.
support another for having fun at your expense?
seriously?
u pay 25 bucks and sit in a chair hardly hearing the music and seeing images move on a stage because u are far back?

Saw a lot of band and that never happenned to me. The live experience is fantastic and supporting the band and helping them with all the shit they need to pay for is a good feeling because at least you feel you are contributing to their art. That's still better than buying a 3rd PS3 because Sony fucks you up the butt with the billion dollars and their cheap gaming systems.

A few bucks to help a musician write more music is not much.

seriously?
why the hell must one pay to simply hear someone play a song?
so u want to pay just to be in another man's presence?
it is only a best seller if u buy it

So em... all live performances should be free? The guy mixing the sound shouldn't be paid also, and then em... the guy who does the lighting neither, he shouldn't be paid, that's stupid. Then em, the promoter shouldn't be paid, he's just promoting a live artist or magician or other artist, the guy who own's the venue shouldn't pay either, he's just holding a place where people play music, and since it's stupid to pay for music, then he shouldn't have to pay... and then... FUCK THAT!

Playing music costs money, touring costs money, recording music costs money.

And you seem to believe that someone just SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED to make a living from music.

You pay because someone comes in spends money to take a plane and carry all his fucking material to play FOR YOU! You pay because the guy paid for his fucking ticket to come and play for you. He paid for the food he ate, he paid for the bus, he paid the staff of the venue he plays at!

There is no logical answer to give you. Just a practical one. It's not that the music in itself has an intrinsic monetary value, but the fact that the musician pays to be able to play his music.

Can you give me a logical answer to why a musician shouldn't be paid to play music?

At 12/16/11 09:59 AM, Bahamut wrote: So I made a writeup for my worst 2011 metal releases. Two of them are obvious guesses, one is quite obvious while the other two are not so obvious but still some terrible releases. I'll have the best posted next week now that I have the negatives out of the way.

Amaranthe lol. A friend of mine just asked me what I thought about them.

They are hardly metal. They are a pop band but they don't know it...

At 12/16/11 01:34 PM, CoCo wrote:

At 12/16/11 06:58 AM, batman64 wrote: stuff

Point of buying music is so the artist can continue making the music that you or me or whoever like. I buy an album for the sentimental value, it actually means something. It's not just a package with a cd in it, it's more than that. It's part of your life, it's what you love.

I'm a hundred percent with you on this one. Just owning the album is a goog feeling.

If you pay a band to perform live you're paying for entertainment. To have an awesome time with the music and all the people around you. The atmosphere inside a show can be so much better than just watching a video.

True.

And this is like any other entertainment. You pay for a movie, for a book, to see a musician, to play video games.

money makes the world go around

Sadly.

At 12/16/11 05:05 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Just jizzed in my pants and bought a ticket to see mastodon in February because of the supports.

Red Fang AND Dillinger Escape Plan.

How fucking savage is that.

Mastodon are cool, so are Red Fang.

Dunno about Dilling Escape Plan... Not mah style!

I forgot to mention this. 0peth and GoryBlizzard both came by the general forum and never bothered to post here. shame.

At 12/16/11 12:20 PM, rockereaper wrote:

At 12/16/11 09:59 AM, Bahamut wrote: So I made a writeup for my worst 2011 metal releases.

I agree with the first place, the worst album i´ve heard from Morbid Angel.

To be fair, are there any other Morbid Angel albums that are this bad? :P

At 12/16/11 11:11 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 12/16/11 09:59 AM, Bahamut wrote: So I made a writeup for my worst 2011 metal releases. Two of them are obvious guesses, one is quite obvious while the other two are not so obvious but still some terrible releases. I'll have the best posted next week now that I have the negatives out of the way.

Amaranthe lol. A friend of mine just asked me what I thought about them.

They are hardly metal. They are a pop band but they don't know it...

I really don't want to throw the term pop around but this band is just asking for it. Maybe I'm too kind to be willing to give them a second chance for their next album.

I know they aren't really metal, but does anyone here like Cave In? I only just listened to them today, and I find them to be quite amazing. Hydra Head Records really has/has had a lot of good bands in their roster.

Also, New Drudkh album in 2012.. Thoughts?

At 12/16/11 10:01 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Any Suicidal Tendencies fans here?

I GOTTA GOTTA TAKE A TRIP

At 12/17/11 05:54 AM, Tobi wrote: Also, New Drudkh album in 2012.. Thoughts?

Theres always a new Drudkh album. I respect them lots lots lots and listened to Handful of Stars when it came out and digged it almost as much as the new shit. I'm sure whatever they do will be respectable, and incredibly unnoticed.

Troll have a new music video, should be on Youtube soon.

Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to. Recs much appreciated.

At 12/17/11 11:02 AM, K2LU wrote: Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to. Recs much appreciated.

what kind? oldschool? atmospheric? prog-ish? experimental? Well, I'll try and give you some variety.

Arcturus (early stuff is black, later is awesome avant-garde)
Borknagar
early Ulver later stuff isn't metal, but still great)
Thorns
Mayhem
Diabolical Masquerade
Mirrorthrone (melodic black/death)
Sigh (some is black, some is not, all is good)
Ihsahn
Agatus
Rotting Christ
Tartaros
Klabautamann
Darkestrah
Secrets of the Moon
Lux Occulta (only good album is the Mother and the Enemy, which is awesome)
Negura Bunget (especially Om and N Crugu Bradului)
Blut Aus Nord
Oranssi Pazuzu

I may give more later.

At 12/17/11 12:38 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/17/11 11:02 AM, K2LU wrote: Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to. Recs much appreciated.

what kind? oldschool? atmospheric? prog-ish? experimental? Well, I'll try and give you some variety.

Arcturus (early stuff is black, later is awesome avant-garde)
Borknagar
early Ulver later stuff isn't metal, but still great)
Thorns
Mayhem
Diabolical Masquerade
Mirrorthrone (melodic black/death)
Sigh (some is black, some is not, all is good)
Ihsahn
Agatus
Rotting Christ
Tartaros
Klabautamann
Darkestrah
Secrets of the Moon
Lux Occulta (only good album is the Mother and the Enemy, which is awesome)
Negura Bunget (especially Om and N Crugu Bradului)
Blut Aus Nord
Oranssi Pazuzu

I may give more later.

Thank you very much. A friend of mine also recommended me some bands. Those bands being Svartidauði, Horna, Hate Forest, Branikald, Benighted In Sodom, Mare, Miserere Luminis, Fortresse and Gestapo 666. Any thoughts on those bands?

At 12/17/11 11:02 AM, K2LU wrote: Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to.

Also Stormlord is an awesome band, is like epic black metal

At 12/17/11 12:38 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/17/11 11:02 AM, K2LU wrote: Dear god, I need some good black metal to listen to. Recs much appreciated.

Instead of just doing my own list and throw in twenty other names, I will just second some bands listed by Sense-Offender. Anyway, we all know what happens when we get too many recommandations at the same time...

Arcturus (early stuff is black, later is awesome avant-garde)
Borknagar

These two bands right here are pretty good. Arcturus are unique! Borknagar is somewhat folk but not the too epic one. Just folkish enough so you can feel like your in Scandinavia... oh wait...

early Ulver later stuff isn't metal, but still great)

Bergtatt is a fantastic piece of art. The first track Trollskog Faren Vild is one of my all time favorite tracks. Second album Nattens Madrigal is an iconic album for Raw Black Metal. Then you have Kveldssanger, which is an all accoustic folk album. They since moved away from the folk and black metal, but their most recent stuff is still fantastic.

Mayhem

Mayhem as a few good tracks. Not my favorite, but still an important band in the history of the genre.

Sigh (some is black, some is not, all is good)

I don't know all of their stuff, but from what I've heard, I know Hangman's Hymn is well worth it. Great album!

Ihsahn

Very good project. It's the solo project of the guitarist from the band Emperor, which is also a cool band. You could also check out the band Peccatum if you like Ihsahn, since he also took part on this project.

At 12/17/11 12:38 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Ihsahn

I only started listening to this project a few days ago after a friend showed me it. It's nothing short of amazing

At 12/16/11 10:01 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Any Suicidal Tendencies fans here?

Hell yes.

At 12/17/11 02:26 PM, K2LU wrote: Any thoughts on those bands?

I've heard of Horna. Hate Forest, Miserere Luminis, Fortresse, and Gestapo 666, but I've never listened to any of them. I've been meaning to check out Fortresse and Miserere Luminis, though, since Duff has been talking about them and he has good taste. Also, I suspect at least one of the members of Hate Forest is national socialist, but I could be wrong. That's why I've never given them a chance. At least one of them is in Drudkh, and some people, including Ponos, insist that none of them are ns, but I still suspect it. I dunno. Drudkh makes very good music, though.

I have a few more recs, by the way.

Manes (their only metal album is Unter Ein Blodraud Maane, but Vilosophe is also good)
Varathron
Fleurety

At 12/17/11 03:56 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You could also check out the band Peccatum if you like Ihsahn, since he also took part on this project.

seconded, especially the Moribund People and Lost in Reverie.

At 12/16/11 10:01 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Any Suicidal Tendencies fans here?

I have this movie on VHS, though I've only watched it once, maybe twice. It's called to Live and Die in L.A.

At 12/17/11 02:26 PM, K2LU wrote: Thank you very much. A friend of mine also recommended me some bands. Those bands being Svartidauði, Horna, Hate Forest, Branikald, Benighted In Sodom, Mare, Miserere Luminis, Fortresse and Gestapo 666. Any thoughts on those bands?

Horna and Beherit are the Finnish sound.
Miserere Luminis is one of the best current projects from Canada.
Fortresse is another band worth listening to from Canada.
Not the hugest fan of Benighted in Sodom.
Hate Forest and Gestapo 666 are acquired tastes but I like them.

At 12/17/11 02:26 PM, K2LU wrote: Thank you very much. A friend of mine also recommended me some bands. Those bands being Svartidauði, Horna, Hate Forest, Branikald, Benighted In Sodom, Mare, Miserere Luminis, Fortresse and Gestapo 666. Any thoughts on those bands?

Miserere Luminis is a side-project of two bands or you could call it a supergroup... whatever. Musicians from both Gris and Sombre Forets worked on that project. So if you like Miserere Luminis, you should check out the two other bands as well. Gris is mind-blowing. Their music is so emotional, sad it will attack your soul. Being able to understand french is also a plus to really understand their work as a whole. Don't let the language barrier be a reason to avoid them though. Their music speaks for itself, speaking french is a plus when listenning to them, but they know how to put some emotion in their music.

Forteresse are also a band from Quebec. Their first album Métal Noir Québécois is a Black Metal masterpiece, IMO. Their second album isn't as good, so starting with the first is a must. If you like them, maybe you will also like Chasse-Galerie and Monarque.

At 12/17/11 10:14 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/17/11 02:26 PM, K2LU wrote: Any thoughts on those bands?

I've been meaning to check out Fortresse and Miserere Luminis, though, since Duff has been talking about them and he has good taste.

I'm flattered.

At 12/17/11 03:56 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You could also check out the band Peccatum if you like Ihsahn, since he also took part on this project.

seconded, especially the Moribund People and Lost in Reverie.

Reminds me that I've only heard Lost In Reverie.

At 12/17/11 10:25 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Miserere Luminis is one of the best current projects from Canada.
Fortresse is another band worth listening to from Canada.

I'm going to be a bitch and insist that they are from the province of Quebec, especially Forteresse. Since they are a quebecian nationalist band, they would also insist on the fact that they are from Quebec.

We do have a distinct culture here in Quebec and you will find that even our Black Metal isn't the same as the Canadian Black Metal.

Ulver - Soelen Gaaer Bag Aase Ned

also, the Covenant/Kovenant album, Nexus Polaris.

And did you guys know that Arcturus is back together? I was excited to find out at first, but then I saw that it's with Vortex and not Garm. I should have assumed that. Well, if they make an album, maybe it will actually be great. I've never heard all of Sideshow Symphonies, but the general consensus seems to be that it's mediocre at best. I might check out some songs on Youtube. I mean Vortex did a great job on the song, Chaos Path. That's actually my favorite song from la Masquerade Infernale.

At 12/17/11 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Reminds me that I've only heard Lost In Reverie.

Dude, the title track from the Moribund People is probably their best song ever.

check it

Thank you all for the suggestions. It seems I've got quite a busy Christmas ahead of me, which is a good thing. I do feel I should give Black Metal as a genre a listen as I feel almost obligated as I am a Norwegian metal head. Though there are many foreign BM bands as well. I did give Peste Noire a listen, particularly their newest album. I did quite like a few songs on there, even though I can't understand the lyrics. My previously mentioned friend did try to Google Translate all of the lyrics, and as I understand it, it's a criticism of modern day France.

At 12/18/11 01:10 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 12/17/11 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Reminds me that I've only heard Lost In Reverie.

Dude, the title track from the Moribund People is probably their best song ever.

check it

You don't need to tell me dude, I will definitely look into their other stuff. I guess I really just forgot because I have too many stuff to listen to :)

At 12/18/11 01:17 AM, K2LU wrote: Thank you all for the suggestions. It seems I've got quite a busy Christmas ahead of me, which is a good thing. I do feel I should give Black Metal as a genre a listen as I feel almost obligated as I am a Norwegian metal head. Though there are many foreign BM bands as well. I did give Peste Noire a listen, particularly their newest album. I did quite like a few songs on there, even though I can't understand the lyrics. My previously mentioned friend did try to Google Translate all of the lyrics, and as I understand it, it's a criticism of modern day France.

I suggest you don't dig too much into the lyrics and twisted mind of Famine from Peste Noir. This son of a bitch is one crazy right wing extremist.

But if you need help with translation, I can still provide some kind of help. I speak french, remember?

At 12/18/11 01:35 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I suggest you don't dig too much into the lyrics and twisted mind of Famine from Peste Noir. This son of a bitch is one crazy right wing extremist.

So I've heard.

But if you need help with translation, I can still provide some kind of help. I speak french, remember?

And yes, I do remember. Thank you.

At 12/18/11 01:17 AM, K2LU wrote: Thank you all for the suggestions. It seems I've got quite a busy Christmas ahead of me, which is a good thing. I do feel I should give Black Metal as a genre a listen as I feel almost obligated as I am a Norwegian metal head.

I feel I'll go on a spree as well. Enslaved was one band I had to cut short from my Christmas wishlist so I have after Christmas to consider getting some of their stuff. Then again, with sales to consider, not even I know what I'll be getting from this spending spree.

At 12/18/11 07:16 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/18/11 01:17 AM, K2LU wrote: Thank you all for the suggestions. It seems I've got quite a busy Christmas ahead of me, which is a good thing. I do feel I should give Black Metal as a genre a listen as I feel almost obligated as I am a Norwegian metal head.

I feel I'll go on a spree as well. Enslaved was one band I had to cut short from my Christmas wishlist so I have after Christmas to consider getting some of their stuff. Then again, with sales to consider, not even I know what I'll be getting from this spending spree.

My family always refuses to buy me CDs for Christmas. It seems like they're happier giving me something I'm probably not going to like.

With all this talk of black metal, I feel obligated to listen to some of these bands thrown around. But I've sort of....outgrown? I guess that's the right word. Anyway, I feel like I've sort of outgrown it. There are only a few black metal bands I still enjoy listening to, and only two that I listen to consistently. I feel like the genre as a whole has kind of stagnated. I haven't many new or exciting bands come out of black metal, and the bands that do constantly do interesting things have been around for a while (i.e. Sigh and Enslaved). Does anyone else feel this way?

At 12/18/11 01:17 AM, K2LU wrote: I did quite like a few songs on there, even though I can't understand the lyrics.

meh. I listen to a lot of music that has foreign language lyrics. I even sometimes have a hard time understanding the lyrics in English language bands.

At 12/18/11 09:52 AM, Zodir wrote: Does anyone else feel this way?

nope. You just have to find the right bands. There's a lot of generic bullshit, but there's good stuff as well.

Damnit.I'mfuckingtorn.

At 12/18/11 12:55 PM, Rummy0 wrote: Oh Pelle... <3

Never saw that before... A fangirl of Dead from Mayhem, making montages with emotive music to show her love for him. Damn...

I also read that she wants to kill herself in 2015 when she will have lived the same amount of days as him. Damn... This is the Deadmania !!!

Making me think, I'd like to get my hands on that studio record they did with Dead in 1990. If anyone can find these for me, that would be highly appreciated.

At 12/18/11 09:52 AM, Zodir wrote: With all this talk of black metal, I feel obligated to listen to some of these bands thrown around. But I've sort of....outgrown? I guess that's the right word. Anyway, I feel like I've sort of outgrown it. There are only a few black metal bands I still enjoy listening to, and only two that I listen to consistently. I feel like the genre as a whole has kind of stagnated. I haven't many new or exciting bands come out of black metal, and the bands that do constantly do interesting things have been around for a while (i.e. Sigh and Enslaved). Does anyone else feel this way?

I just found this band yesterday. I didn't listen to much of what they do or did. But from what I've heard, it's kind of cool. The band is called Lifelover, it's a kind of mix of Black Metal and Depressive Rock. You might like it.

At 12/18/11 05:01 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I just found this band yesterday. I didn't listen to much of what they do or did. But from what I've heard, it's kind of cool. The band is called Lifelover, it's a kind of mix of Black Metal and Depressive Rock. You might like it.

Lifelover is my ex-boyfriend's favorite band. As I understand it, they just split up this fall due to one of the members passing away. I never could get into them anyway.

At 12/18/11 05:17 PM, K2LU wrote:

At 12/18/11 05:01 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I just found this band yesterday. I didn't listen to much of what they do or did. But from what I've heard, it's kind of cool. The band is called Lifelover, it's a kind of mix of Black Metal and Depressive Rock. You might like it.

Lifelover is my ex-boyfriend's favorite band. As I understand it, they just split up this fall due to one of the members passing away. I never could get into them anyway.

I really like how your post sounds... "One of the members passed away, so they split up. I really don't care he died though, I don't like their music."

I know you didn't say that, but the way you wrote your sentence makes it sound like that :P

Running Wild are second to last!

Only one more to post and I'll leave it with a hint. The album cover has a wintery feel to it.

At 12/18/11 07:24 AM, K2LU wrote: My family always refuses to buy me CDs for Christmas. It seems like they're happier giving me something I'm probably not going to like.

I wish I could donate my happiness to you. I could go without any presents for one Christmas but others want to know what I want so I give them a list. :P Seeing my two year old cousin's enjoyment for Christmas should be more than good.