At 9/25/11 02:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So that Metallica and Lou Reed thing seems to affect you guys a lot. It sucks... I know, but why do you guys still bother? I thought most of you guys were already done with Metallica.

Death Magnetic suprised me by how little it sucked. So I was expecting you know, more of the not sucking. And Master of Puppets is one of my favorite albums ever along with Justice. I was hoping that they could use DM to continue onto a path of more quality albums, like Megadeth did with The System Has Failed.

At 9/25/11 11:59 AM, Zodir wrote:

At 9/25/11 02:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So that Metallica and Lou Reed thing seems to affect you guys a lot. It sucks... I know, but why do you guys still bother? I thought most of you guys were already done with Metallica.

Death Magnetic suprised me by how little it sucked. So I was expecting you know, more of the not sucking. And Master of Puppets is one of my favorite albums ever along with Justice. I was hoping that they could use DM to continue onto a path of more quality albums, like Megadeth did with The System Has Failed.

Honestly, Puppets, and Justice were their peak in my opinion. My cousin got a pre-release of Death Magnetic, and that saved me some money. Just like you said, that album surprised me with suck :'(

At 9/25/11 12:51 PM, TruBluFoxx wrote:

Death Magnetic suprised me by how little it sucked. So I was expecting you know, more of the not sucking. And Master of Puppets is one of my favorite albums ever along with Justice. I was hoping that they could use DM to continue onto a path of more quality albums, like Megadeth did with The System Has Failed.

Honestly, Puppets, and Justice were their peak in my opinion. My cousin got a pre-release of Death Magnetic, and that saved me some money. Just like you said, that album surprised me with suck :'(

I actually enjoyed DM. I said surprised me with a lack of suck. While yes, it is not nearly the quality of Metallica's peak albums, it was very enjoyable. The Day that Never Comes and All Nightmare Long are solid quality tracks, well worth a fna's time. I was expecting a step up in quality, not the step down that this album is looking to be.

At 9/25/11 02:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I thought most of you guys were already done with Metallica.

You can never be "done" with Metallica, man. :P
It's my favorite band and it will ever be (it's the band that brought me into metal). I'm also one of the few that liked St. Anger (yes, the sound is shit, but if you are able to listen beyond that you get some very heavy stuff and some AWESOMELY energetic songs). Death Magnetic was a step in the right direction, even though the sound still is shitty.

Just listened to that Loutallica thing. It sounds awful. Voice and Music just really don't fit.

At 9/25/11 01:38 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 9/25/11 02:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I thought most of you guys were already done with Metallica.

You can never be "done" with Metallica, man. :P

it's the band that brought me into metal

Most people should agree. I was thrust into the core of metal by Cannibal Corpse!

So many people that call themselves Metallica fans hate a lot of their newer stuff. Either they hate everything past the 80's, or everything past the 90's, or whatever, I only know a few people who genuinely enjoy every Metallica album. I do. You can't expect Metallica to sound the same every single album, a band has to evolve as time goes on!

A big thing I see is that people are only comparing their newer albums to their older albums, and not looking at it as an album in itself. Take St. Anger for example. If you compare it to earlier Metallica, it sucks ass, it's their worst album. If you ignore everything they've ever done, and pretend it's the debut album from a new band, it's pretty good in my opinion.

You see? You can't expect a band to always be the same album after album! Death Magnetic is a fantastic album, it's some of the heaviest stuff they did in a while! I will always be true to the horsemen... and Rob Trujillo. Also, you can not truly judge Lulu by 90 seconds of one song. When they release "The View" in it's entirety tomorrow, you can have a little more room for judgment, but even then it's still just one song. I'm not judging this album until the full release.

At 9/25/11 03:20 PM, hitman1993 wrote: You can't expect Metallica to sound the same every single album, a band has to evolve as time goes on!

Yeah, Metallica is a band that sounds different on almost every album. They try out new things, and they develop as a band (whether the developement is "good" or "bad" is another question). And yet Metallica are bashed for "selling out" (whatever that means).

On the other hand we have bands like Motörhead and Running Wild (both are great bands btw) that sound EXACTLY THE SAME on EVERY ALBUM and yet they are praised beyond any limits. For what? For recording the same fucking album year after year?

A big thing I see is that people are only comparing their newer albums to their older albums, and not looking at it as an album in itself. Take St. Anger for example. If you compare it to earlier Metallica, it sucks ass, it's their worst album. If you ignore everything they've ever done, and pretend it's the debut album from a new band, it's pretty good in my opinion.

Also you have to take into account that it was by far the hardest Metallica album to do. James' rehab was the right thing to do for James, but the band nearly broke up because of all those difficutlies that came along with it. That's why the album sounds so damn angry.
Also I think many people just say the album is shit because everybody does so and it's "cool" to "hate" Metallica, especially since that Napster thing.

You see? You can't expect a band to always be the same album after album!

See above, there are bands that do exactly that and they are praised for doing it. Metallica are bashed for recording stuff like Load/Reload. So, those albums aren't Metal? So fucking what? Why should Metallica give a shit about what so called "fans" think? They do what they want to do and it's their fucking right to do it. If anyone doesn't like it he isn't forced to listen to it.
I didn't like what I heard so far from Lou Reed & Metallica. Tough luck, so I won't buy the album. It's as easy as that.

But accusing a band to be a "sell out" just because they earn a lot of money with doing something they like is something I will never understand. What should Metallica do? Give their albums away for free? Why aren't Motörhead slagged off for recording the same album for 33 years?

At 9/25/11 11:30 AM, TheSporkLord wrote:

Even though we've all listened to bigger and better bands I don't think that means we should just abandon metallica. I still enjoy listening to some old school metallica once in a while.

Not that I meant we should give up on them, but most metalheads, and that doesn't exclude this place, have pretty much abandonned hope to see a new good Metallica album. Most metalheads stopped liking their stuff somewhere around the release of the black album. Still, every time they release something, we rant on how shitty it is. I guess that's just normal, they are one of the big four and they have heavily influenced metal and music in general. Same goes for all the big names who release shitty stuff. No matter how many shitty albums they release, we still get pissed just as much when they throw another turd at us.

At 9/25/11 11:59 AM, Zodir wrote:

Death Magnetic suprised me by how little it sucked. So I was expecting you know, more of the not sucking. And Master of Puppets is one of my favorite albums ever along with Justice. I was hoping that they could use DM to continue onto a path of more quality albums, like Megadeth did with The System Has Failed.

From the point of view of someone who liked Death Magnetic, I can really see why you would say that. Good point. And it's true that Death Magnetic, while it didn't leave a lasting impression on me, was not a bad release.

At 9/25/11 12:58 PM, Zodir wrote: I actually enjoyed DM. I said surprised me with a lack of suck. While yes, it is not nearly the quality of Metallica's peak albums, it was very enjoyable. The Day that Never Comes and All Nightmare Long are solid quality tracks, well worth a fna's time. I was expecting a step up in quality, not the step down that this album is looking to be.

So you guys all think that this album with Lou Reed is going to be a big shit in his entirety?

At 9/25/11 01:38 PM, Haggard wrote: You can never be "done" with Metallica, man. :P

I know what you mean. Hate them... love them... they are one of the big bands of Metal. No matter what's your favorite metal subgenre, you always end up disussing the newest Metallica stuff :P

It's my favorite band and it will ever be (it's the band that brought me into metal). I'm also one of the few that liked St. Anger (yes, the sound is shit, but if you are able to listen beyond that you get some very heavy stuff and some AWESOMELY energetic songs). Death Magnetic was a step in the right direction, even though the sound still is shitty.

I didn't hate St.Anger either. The song-writting isn't exactly bad, but I think that's not what Thrash Metal fans expect from Metallica. Not a great album by any means, though.

At 9/25/11 03:20 PM, hitman1993 wrote: So many people that call themselves Metallica fans hate a lot of their newer stuff. Either they hate everything past the 80's, or everything past the 90's, or whatever, I only know a few people who genuinely enjoy every Metallica album. I do. You can't expect Metallica to sound the same every single album, a band has to evolve as time goes on!

I think that's not the point...

The point is that St.Anger was a rare brand of weird down-watered thrash metal, mixed with some industrial hard rock stuff... and even some nu-metal riffs and structures. I have nothing against exploration, but going as far as changing your genre completely is not what I call a "refreshing evolution".

A big thing I see is that people are only comparing their newer albums to their older albums, and not looking at it as an album in itself. Take St. Anger for example. If you compare it to earlier Metallica, it sucks ass, it's their worst album. If you ignore everything they've ever done, and pretend it's the debut album from a new band, it's pretty good in my opinion.

Yeah, that's true. That's what people do. But I don't see how this is a bad approach. Yes, you do have to take the album as a unique piece of art and take it for what it is. But with such big as Metallica, it's kind of hard to ask your fans to swallow the pill, no matter what. As they developped a fanbase, they also helped the fans create an ideal of what Metallica should sound like.

You see? You can't expect a band to always be the same album after album! Death Magnetic is a fantastic album, it's some of the heaviest stuff they did in a while! I will always be true to the horsemen... and Rob Trujillo. Also, you can not truly judge Lulu by 90 seconds of one song. When they release "The View" in it's entirety tomorrow, you can have a little more room for judgment, but even then it's still just one song. I'm not judging this album until the full release.

And you can't really blame the fans of disliking anything and everything that doesn't sound the same as the other albums, cause even there, you make the mistake of thinking that the first four albums all sounded the same, and this is not true. All of these albums was unique. So in fact, Metallica fans are not just a bunch of stupid kids who can't accept that the band is evolving (while some morons do worship all they wrote back in the 80's just because... THEY WROTE IT IN THE 80'S and... IT'S COOL TO DISS THE NEW STUFF). The band did evolve from one album to another back in the 80's, but a lot of their fans didn't like where they moved on afterward.

I'm in the minority here, because I don't like Metallica at all. Nope. Not even their early stuff. Infact, I'd rather listen to shit like Raven, Blitzkrieg, Diamond Head, Grim Reaper, Avenger, etc, instead.

At 9/25/11 09:53 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I'm in the minority here, because I don't like Metallica at all. Nope. Not even their early stuff. Infact, I'd rather listen to shit like Raven, Blitzkrieg, Diamond Head, Grim Reaper, Avenger, etc, instead.

We're in the same boat. I dislike 99% of the big four. The lone and small exceptions are a couple songs off of Spreading the Disease.

Hey, so they finally released the first full song of of Lulu, titled "The View" so you all have more room to judge, as do I. Here it is.

Well, I am disappoint. This is utter shit. I don't understand what Lou Reed is even doing in this song, it sounds more like a dramatic reading than a song. I did enjoy when Hetfield kicked in screaming about being a table though. PLEASE let the other songs be good! I still have hope!

At 9/26/11 09:11 AM, hitman1993 wrote: Hey, so they finally released the first full song of of Lulu, titled "The View" so you all have more room to judge, as do I. Here it is.

I'm surprised by how good James sounds here, from about the fourth minute onwards. Even better than he sounded on Death Magnetic.

Lou Reed, on the other hand. I don't know what he's trying to do. I don't know if it's supposed to be like a spoken word thing or what.

At 9/26/11 01:17 AM, batman64 wrote: Then in the process of multitasking when I was submitting all my stuff to the Archives I noticed a lil change I wanted to make before submitting...and hit a wrong link...and wiped out all today's work.
WTF?!!!!!!!!!!

Ever heard of "saving features" ???

That's why I always write everything I post online in WordPad or Microsoft Office Word.

At 9/26/11 07:08 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 9/26/11 01:17 AM, batman64 wrote: Then in the process of multitasking when I was submitting all my stuff to the Archives I noticed a lil change I wanted to make before submitting...and hit a wrong link...and wiped out all today's work.
WTF?!!!!!!!!!!

Ever heard of "saving features" ???

That's why I always write everything I post online in WordPad or Microsoft Office Word.

Seeing as how my computer usually doesn't fail on me I was never really aware of the auto save/restore function. So after writing out this huge ass paper and having word fail on me I nearly raged until it restored itself.

Good luck with that stuff, Bill.

I was thinking, why has Boris never collaborated with Melvins?

At 9/22/11 08:18 PM, batman64 wrote: Maybe if you actually took the time you would have seen what I was actually saying.

sorry...

At 9/23/11 04:24 PM, batman64 wrote: Currently listening to the new Mastodon release The Hunter.

I must get this.

And speaking of covers below is the cover of this album.

hah

At 9/23/11 08:15 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So the guitarist from Demilich got together with some of his homies

At 9/25/11 01:41 AM, TruBluFoxx wrote: Metallica.....not my favorite....anyways, anybody like Korpiklaani?

I only listen to Korpiklaani when I'm drunk, really.

At 9/25/11 11:30 AM, TheSporkLord wrote: Even though we've all listened to bigger and better bands I don't think that means we should just abandon metallica. I still enjoy listening to some old school metallica once in a while.

Yup, their older stuff is still good, even the black album.

At 9/27/11 07:29 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 9/23/11 08:15 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So the guitarist from Demilich got together with some of his homies

I was going to say something along the lines of "I didn't know about this, so thanks" or whatever.

Hell Yeah.

I just found out Black Pyramid split up earlier this month, I'm so sad. I just started listening to them about two months ago. Fortunately, they'll still be releasing Black Pyramid II.

At 9/27/11 05:06 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So Yahoo decided to make a worst heavy metal albums list today. Guess what they put at number 1?

Damn you, I was going to post that. I don't think load and reload are that bad though, by themselves I mean. Just as music in general I find it decent.

Also as an announcement, some guys I know from the Melodic death metal band Cimmerian are releasing their first album on October 26th. Check their facebook plox.

At 9/27/11 05:06 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So Yahoo decided to make a worst heavy metal albums list today. Guess what they put at number 1?

I vehemently disagree with this list. Fear of the Dark is a solid album (not great, but it surely isn't one of the top 5 worst metal albums of all time), how can you say that when the title track is one of the band's all time classics? Same with the Ozzy and Sabbath albums. Solid albums, definately not the worst. I think they just wanted to shit on Metallica honestly. That's all this list is about.

So I went to see Primus on Friday night in boston. It was JUST them, no openers.

SET ONE:
1. Here Come the Bastards
2. Wynona's Big Brown Beaver
3. Groundhog's Day
4. Cosmic Highway (Les Claypool song, not a Primus song)
5. Frizzle Fry
6. Over The Falls
7. American Life
8. Jerry Was A Race Car Driver
9. Over the Electric Grapevine
SET TWO:
10. Prelude to a Crawl
11. Hennepin Crawler
12. Last Salmon Man
13. Eternal Consumption Engine
14. Tragedy's a' Comin'
15. Eyes of the Squirrel
16. Jilly's on Smack
17. Lee Van Cleef
18. Moron TV
19. Green Ranger
20. HOINFODAMAN
21. Extinction Burst
22. Salmon Men
ENCORE:
23. To Defy the Laws of Tradition
24. Tommy the Cat

I thought the first set they played and the encore were awesome, I felt the second set(which is their new album played in entirety) was boring as all fuck though.

I was also really far from the stage for once, which is new for me since i'm always either IN the moshpit or in the first three or so rows.

Video of tommy the cat from the show!

I also had tickets to see Enslaved, Alcest, Junius and some local bands yesterday - sadly I had no ride so my tickets went to waste. :'(

At 9/27/11 02:33 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote: I just found out Black Pyramid split up earlier this month, I'm so sad. I just started listening to them about two months ago. Fortunately, they'll still be releasing Black Pyramid II.

WHAT THE FUCK.

Black Pyramid are, or rather were, from my state. I've known about them since 2008 and they played shows in and around MA constantly.

I had always passed up the chance to see them, except for one time which was part of a festival, because I figured i'd get to see them later on.

This bums me out greatly because i've had at least 20 times to see them over the past four years and only saw them once and where they only played a 20 minute set...

At 9/27/11 12:34 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Hell Yeah.

The new Mastodon and the new Warbringer albums both out on the same day = <3

At 9/23/11 08:31 PM, hitman1993 wrote: So guys, how amazing is the new Dream Theater album?

It's pretty mediocre, if I dare say so myself.

At 9/27/11 04:55 PM, batman64 wrote: Hey guys, I told you all I was gonna tell my Metallica story...I did but due to timing my thread was killed.
So I added it to hitman1993's thread instead.
Check it out and please feel free to comment.
Took me 25 years to tell my story and I'm glad I finally was able to thanks to hitman1993.
Here is the link to the thread he started and where you can read my tribute as well.
Never forget.
9-27-86, never forget
Thanks to hitman1993 and all of you.
Keep it HEAVY
peace.

Hey sorry about beating you to the punch on that. Very nice story, though. Who knows what Metallica would be like today if Cliff had survived.

At 9/27/11 07:24 PM, AniMetal wrote: WHAT THE FUCK.

Black Pyramid are, or rather were, from my state. I've known about them since 2008 and they played shows in and around MA constantly.

Apparently Andy was getting fed up with the fanbase and the music industry in general. He did a pretty good
interview with DOOMMANTIA that goes a bit farther into it.

Really no one wants to discuss Mastodons new album?

At 9/27/11 02:33 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote: I just found out Black Pyramid split up earlier this month, I'm so sad. I just started listening to them about two months ago. Fortunately, they'll still be releasing Black Pyramid II.

GAY. They were doing something good.

Now to get their new album and SEND THEM ABUSIVE MESSAGES UNTIL THEY REFORM.

At 9/27/11 08:25 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote: Apparently Andy was getting fed up with the fanbase and the music industry in general. He did a pretty good
interview with DOOMMANTIA that goes a bit farther into it.

Why don't we fuckin' KILL the AUDIENCE

I've personally lost respect for Andy for giving up, all that means is he's a fucking pussy who won't even stick to his guns and play in his band because he is too WEAK.

Also, looks like I'll have to get Mastadon's new one. Peer pressure. NOW IM THE WEAK ONE

At 9/28/11 04:52 AM, PenisClown wrote: I've personally lost respect for Andy for giving up, all that means is he's a fucking pussy who won't even stick to his guns and play in his band because he is too WEAK.

I can see where he's coming from, but I also can't help but to agree with you. Throughout the whole interview there was a recurring theme of "this isn't what I'm meant to do," which seems like a cop-out excuse since he doesn't have a real reason.

Either way, I'm still happy Black Pyramid II is being released.

So has anyone listened to The Atlas Moth's new album 'An Ache for the Distance'? Real good stuff. They're like prog sludge if you're interested.

At 9/28/11 12:18 AM, Anti-pie wrote: Really no one wants to discuss Mastodons new album?

I haven't listened to much of it (nor did I with undivided attention) , but of what I've heard it's pretty good. Big improvement on Melodic vocals, and some of the bluesy guitar solos sound way better than they did on Oblivion (especially the title track). I really do love the softer parts on the album, but here lies the problem. Save for sections from "All The Heavy Lifting", most of the heavy parts on this album, when present, don't have the nice punch Mastodon usually packs. That and Brann's fills aren't really as good as they once were, which is alarming since he doesn't do them nearly as much as he once did. It's a good album, but I'm still pending on whether or not to buy it.

I'm starting to absolutely fall in love with 1349. Hellfire is such an amazing album, and Sculptor of Flesh and Nathicana are such unbelievable tracks.

With the amount batman64 is listening to The Hunter, I might have to start listening to Mastodon.