Damn I'm getting into Ulver and I'm wondering why I've never got into them before, Nattens Madrigal is fucking beautiful.

Ulver - Hymn VI - Wolf and Passion

Be'lakor are pretty good. haha

At 8/23/11 02:06 PM, SomaGuye wrote: That is across the road from my uni.

I thought they all sold out ridiculously fast though.

The KI and Ghost shows both sold out.

As far as I know, there are still tickets available for the Addicted and Deconstruction shows.

Sepultura - Roots Bloody Roots!

I found the most kvltest black metal ever.

Rotten Sound anyone? Don't know if they have been brought up before but I just recently started listening to them.

At 8/23/11 09:07 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Rotten Sound anyone? Don't know if they have been brought up before but I just recently started listening to them.

I saw them with Finntroll, Ensiferum, Barren Earth and some local bands back in February.

Seemed like generic grindcore to me though. Eh.

At 8/23/11 12:23 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/23/11 08:00 AM, Bahamut wrote: I don't know why but I always imagined you to be an In Flames hater. :P

I probably should be.

I have a soft spot in my heart for them though, probably 100% because they were my first ever band to utilize harsh vocals.

I can let you off for that.

Yet out of the three bands that were supporting Iron Maiden in the UK this year, DragonForce was the one I wanted to see the most, even if it meant for them to fail on stage. I'll take their music over Trivum and Airbourne any day of the week.

I can understand disliking Trivium. But aren't Airbourne supposed to be good? I wouldn't know, I haven't listened to them, but i've heard good things about them. O.o

Well, they say they're heavily influenced by AC/DC. Nothing good can come from that. As if there wasn't enough of AC/DC to listen to. They even go as far as ripping off song titles and at one point when I saw them live, I actually shouted out "DONE DIRT CHEAP!" because one song of theirs sounded so much alike. And people thought Trivium were bad when they tried to copy Metallica? Well, they were still bad but nothing on this scale.

I'm getting pretty sick of Paradise Lost for that reason. hahahaha

And now I see why. :P

At 8/23/11 12:43 PM, AniMetal wrote: You UKers are going to appreciate this, and this is mainly referring to you Bahamut!

My sister isn't too happy about it considering she's short on money right now. I really want to see the Deconstruction show at least.

So I'm REALLY REALLY SURE Opeth has been talked about a bazillion times here but I'm new to them only because yeah I knew of them since like forever but just never really gave them a shot. So I bought the Collectors Edition which includes Blackwater park, Damnation, deliverance, and some live CD (I never care to listen to the live CD's by anyone) So I'm on Blackwater Park listening to Harvest and so far I really wish I would have listened to them sooner. I know Damnation is suppose to be acoustic I think.

Sorry for double posting but I'm listening to Damnation right now and love it.

At 8/24/11 09:49 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Sorry for double posting but I'm listening to Damnation right now and love it.

I think it's a very good album even if it isn't metal

Though I still find the Opeth albums that mix the not metal with the metal are the best ones.

At 8/24/11 10:30 PM, Gobblemeister wrote:

At 8/24/11 09:49 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Sorry for double posting but I'm listening to Damnation right now and love it.

I think it's a very good album even if it isn't metal

Though I still find the Opeth albums that mix the not metal with the metal are the best ones.

Yeah man I love that shit. Damn I can't believe I've been listening to metal since I was 12 and completely ignored this band.

At 8/24/11 10:56 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Yeah man I love that shit. Damn I can't believe I've been listening to metal since I was 12 and completely ignored this band.

I've found that metalheads that ignore and/or claim that Opeth suck actually just make that assumption off:
1.) A few songs on BWP, like The Drapery Falls and Harvest, which are FAR from Opeth's best works.
or
2.) Their popularity and the vast amount of critical aclaim that surrounds their name. Typically only shittie commercial melodic death metal bands are as popular as Opeth.

Wow been so long since I posted in here, and I never do it nearly often enough. But I was hoping for some feedback from anybody willing to listen. I'm working on a song using FL studios. Quality isn't superb but its all I really have immediate access to in terms of recording.

Please comment and rate if you like it. If you think it sucks, how can I make it not suck? that is if it's not totally lost to salvation. Thank you my friends of the Hell.

LINK

At 8/24/11 09:49 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Sorry for double posting but I'm listening to Damnation right now and love it.

Damnation was always my least favourite Opeth album but I'm glad you're enjoying a nice range of their music. Despite that, it wasn't a bad album IMO.

At 8/24/11 11:13 PM, AniMetal wrote: 2.) Their popularity and the vast amount of critical aclaim that surrounds their name. Typically only shittie commercial melodic death metal bands are as popular as Opeth.

I hate how Opeth sometimes get slumped together with them. I may only like a few things from melodeath metal but Opeth isn't who I have in mind when it comes to that subgenre.

I just listened to And Then There Was Silence for the first time in ages. I'd forgotten how good it was.

At 8/25/11 01:11 AM, tom5coat wrote: LINK

This probably won't help you, but get real instruments. If you can't, sync it better at the very least (esp. the drums). It sounds very synthetic, and not in a cool industrial way. This actually has potential to be a good song, if it weren't so badly snycoronized and synthetic.

November 20th - Judas Priest(Final world tour) along with Black Label Society and Thin Lizzy.

My life will be made on November 20th. :D

At 8/25/11 09:35 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I just listened to And Then There Was Silence for the first time in ages. I'd forgotten how good it was.

Blind Guardian. <3

At 8/25/11 09:02 AM, Bahamut wrote: Damnation was always my least favourite Opeth album but I'm glad you're enjoying a nice range of their music. Despite that, it wasn't a bad album IMO.

Really? I thought Damnation was the album that saved them, as it was a break from the heavy stuff that was getting very boring and repetitive on BWP and Deliverance.

At 8/24/11 11:13 PM, AniMetal wrote: 2.) Their popularity and the vast amount of critical aclaim that surrounds their name. Typically only shittie commercial melodic death metal bands are as popular as Opeth.

I hate how Opeth sometimes get slumped together with them. I may only like a few things from melodeath metal but Opeth isn't who I have in mind when it comes to that subgenre.

And they shouldn't be, since all those bands sucked from the start or soon after then. Opeth has always kicked ass.

It's just that if you went to see any huge melodic death metal band(In flames, children of boredom, arch enemy, amon amarth) their would be ABOUT as many people then their would be at an Opeth show. And while the two don't share that many fans, both fans cocksuck the band to the end of the earth.

Yeah, Agalloch was definitely inspired by Fields of the Nephelim. Is that spelled with a "ph" or an "f"? Anyway, I saw an interview where John Haughm was talking about their influence and how post-rock influenced the band as well.

Oh, and I love Primus as well. Their new album is coming out pretty soon. The only one I don't have by them is Pork Soda, which I plan to get soon.

Also, I got more music.

Animals as Leaders - Animals as Leaders
Melvins - Stag
Melvins - Nude With Boots
Melvins - Bootlicker

And I got the new Thievery Corporation album cuz I love my tree tunes.

At 8/18/11 12:12 AM, Tobi wrote: Does anyone here like Naked City? I know they aren't exactly metal, but most of their fans are in to grindcore rather than jazz. I've always loved them, but I haven't been able to stop listening to them lately.

I heard one song and I didn't like it much. I might check them out some time. I still haven't checked out those death metal bands I was recommended. I intend to listen to the stuff Dalnaki mentioned, also.

At 8/23/11 05:02 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn I'm getting into Ulver and I'm wondering why I've never got into them before, Nattens Madrigal is fucking beautiful.

Ulver - Hymn VI - Wolf and Passion

I agree that Nattens Madrigal is awesome, and so is Bergtatt, but I think their best stuff is from their non-metal albums like Blood Inside, Perdition City, Lykanthropen Themes, Svidd Neger, and a Quick Fix of Melancholy. I listen to some of their stuff when I go to sleep, too, and it affects my dreams, sometimes. Theme 7 is a bit emotionally overwhelming for me sometimes, but I love it. I'm pretty emotionally receptive to music. Music can fuck up my mood. Theme 7 is one of a few songs that make my breathing heavier and give me this feeling in my chest. like a sinking feeling, I guess. My Prayer Beyond Ginnungagap by Blut Aus Nord is another example of a song that does that to me, especially ever since I had a dream about my grandfather's funeral, and I was just staring at him in his casket while the song was somehow playing out of nowhere. The room looked just like the actual room where his casket was before he was buried. I woke up with a tear in my eye and the song was still on.

At 8/25/11 10:38 AM, Tobi wrote:

At 8/25/11 01:11 AM, tom5coat wrote: LINK

This probably won't help you, but get real instruments. If you can't, sync it better at the very least (esp. the drums). It sounds very synthetic, and not in a cool industrial way. This actually has potential to be a good song, if it weren't so badly snycoronized and synthetic.

Hey man thanks. Do you mean that the drums sound badly synced all the way through? Because I think they are fairly synced for that beginning part before the break, but then when the third riff comes in it starts sounding kinda weird from then on. If that's where you're talking about I agree and have already done some stuff to the drums that should sound better.

If you mean that the drums sound badly synced during the whole thing, I'm not sure where you're meaning.

:'( i hate my life...

Thanks for mentioning Vektor, Animetal. This might become a new favorite thrash band of mine.

At 8/25/11 03:51 PM, Sonic57896 wrote:

'( i hate my life...

Just get into more real metal. What do you think of these songs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO3ZAl1r0 8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQhsZYKn e0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGx_lkJsC ZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqWrkVEQ vI

some more modern stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19EuKYQ-1 3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVeTBNAAF 8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR47M_iEJ m0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSTtZ4vE M0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdiZS707a Ps&feature=related

Aberrant Vascular

Plugging my own thread here, you should all check it out cause you love me! Plus I want to see what you guys have for opinions on the topic.

Also, what do you guys predict for the future of this...?

At 8/25/11 11:02 AM, AniMetal wrote: November 20th - Judas Priest(Final world tour) along with Black Label Society and Thin Lizzy.

My life will be made on November 20th. :D

Is that Judas Priest with Black Label Society AND Thin Lizzy?! Holy shit, that's quite a lineup.

At 8/25/11 09:02 AM, Bahamut wrote: Damnation was always my least favourite Opeth album but I'm glad you're enjoying a nice range of their music. Despite that, it wasn't a bad album IMO.

Really? I thought Damnation was the album that saved them, as it was a break from the heavy stuff that was getting very boring and repetitive on BWP and Deliverance.

I think Heritage will be the more ideal break but it's not even out yet so maybe I can't judge just yet. :P Still, I'm looking forward to what they do with Heritage.

I hate how Opeth sometimes get slumped together with them. I may only like a few things from melodeath metal but Opeth isn't who I have in mind when it comes to that subgenre.

And they shouldn't be, since all those bands sucked from the start or soon after then. Opeth has always kicked ass.

Hell, even bands that are partially melodeath such as Wintersun and Ensiferum are tons better.

At 8/25/11 09:52 PM, batman64 wrote: Motorhead:Capricorn
Betcha guys thought I was gonna mention Ace of Spades *S*

Hah, no way. There's so much more to Motörhead than Ace of Spades. Here are some songs of theirs that are just as good, if not, better:

Tear Ya Down
Terminal Show
In the Name of Tragedy
Fight
One Night Stand
When the Eagle Screams
The Thousand Names of God
Orgasmatron (obvious but had to be stated)
The Wolf

And to think I still have a few Motörhead albums to get. They are Bastards, Sacrifice, We are Motörhead and Hammered. The songs above are for anyone who wants to try out Motörhead going beyond Ace of Spades and Overkill.

Budgie:Homicidal Suicidal
And I betcha guys thought I was gonna mention Breadfan*S*

I happened to have picked up that album yesterday. Really liking the debut album. It'll be hard to top Never Turn Your Back on a Friend, though but I could do with getting the remastered albums ASAP since they only get rarer and rarer.

At 8/25/11 10:32 PM, AniMetal wrote: Also, what do you guys predict for the future of this...?

I give so little of a damn about their new album. Maybe it's just it hasn't been overly promoted and it's not officially a Metallica album. I'll at least give it a shot but I'm not sure how this will work out.

I don't think Ace of Spades is among Motorhead's best songs. My favorites are Dead men tell no tell no tales, Bomber, and Dancing on your grave.

At 8/18/11 09:21 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/18/11 08:03 PM, batman64 wrote: AniMetal...avoid Amon Amarth...as a fan I must ask why..I would prefer valid reasons and not opinionated statements like you just don't like them if you don't mind.Also, we never really chatted before so maybe it's about time.

Eh, with pleasure.

Personally, I think their guitars/bass are horribly simplistic and boring. I think it was duff, but someone explained why once before about how it's all painfully slow tremolo picking and whatnot.

I honestly just think they're horribly simplistic and i've tried time and time again to listen to them, but it really does just feel like i'm listening to the same three songs over and over again.

Also, I can't take any bands that got famous over a theme(Vikings, in this case) seriously to begin with.

You got it dude.

Amon Amarth are a boring band because they are stuck in a very simplistic writting formula. They can't get their composition work to another level. I feel that all they do is play very simple melodic death metal with viking themes. If it didn't already happen, I think it won't take long before you realise that Amon Amarth is an empty shell. While I can enjoy a few tracks by them, I can't see them bringing the genre anywhere further, and they will most likely just re-write the same album over and over again.

At 8/20/11 02:22 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 8/20/11 02:16 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I'm not bashing bands. I'm just saying that there is no written rule that says DM should be complex.

In general, unless it's progressive metal, I don't really depend on one band's musical complexity. As long as it sounds good, I'm not really bothered. I may not even like something that shows high complexity of music simply because the content does not interest me. Not saying this is what AniMetal is determining for any subgenre of metal, though. And on that note, I've never been one who comments on how talentless one musician is. To me, it's highly subjective and that word is really only thrown around when someone simply doesn't like an artist/band.

All that is going right now is that you guys don't seem to understand the word simplistic, as it is used by AniMetal. There is stuff like The Beatles, that is simple music, but well structured, with a lot of different songs and different feelings to their songs. They have simple but effective and unique riffs. Ani and I are not falling, like you guys seem to believe, in a Complexity versus Simplicity argument. We are not trying to proove that Origin is better than Amon Amarth because of the technicality of their riffs and their ability to write very complex tracks.

Simplistic refers to a negative trait of simplicity. To me, Amon Amarth are not playing "a good simple" genre of music. They are playing a mediocre uncreative simple genre of music. For the various reasons we stated, Amon Amarth are lacking in creativity and skill to write effective melodic death metal. They are playing a very generic kind of Melodic Death Metal, and covering it up with Viking themes. They put pictures of runes, vikings, dragons, drakkars and swords all over their album covers. They have beards, they play some "folkish and mythological" sounding lead riffs and mix them with generic tremolo picking riffs that you have most likely already heard played by another band, or even by themselves, in another track, on another album, but with the same chords re-organised and played in a different order.

This is like covering a cheap supermarket cake with chocolate. Of course you have the chocolate taste, but this is still a cheap cake you are eating. And then, imagine eating the same cake again tomorrow, and again the day after tomorrow. Even the chocolate taste will get boring and ordinary after a while. Well, that's Amon Amarth... A band that fails to "re-invente" themselves and that will just re-write the same album over and over again.

At 8/22/11 11:37 PM, AniMetal wrote: 3.) If you bought directly from the band's sites or at shows, more money to the band.

I remember how Dentatus would encourage everybody to buy t-shirts and merchs before buying albums for that reason. When you buy an album, more money goes to the label than what goes to the band. But with the t-shirt, you give the band more money directly.

At 8/23/11 12:32 PM, Gobblemeister wrote: They're basically a slightly different version of ACDC

That. But seing how AC/DC did absolutely everything that needed to be done in the genre, they are just a lousy and useless copycat band, that really just shouldn't exist.

At 8/25/11 02:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I agree that Nattens Madrigal is awesome, and so is Bergtatt, but I think their best stuff is from their non-metal albums like Blood Inside, Perdition City, Lykanthropen Themes, Svidd Neger, and a Quick Fix of Melancholy. I listen to some of their stuff when I go to sleep, too, and it affects my dreams, sometimes. Theme 7 is a bit emotionally overwhelming for me sometimes, but I love it. I'm pretty emotionally receptive to music. Music can fuck up my mood. Theme 7 is one of a few songs that make my breathing heavier and give me this feeling in my chest. like a sinking feeling, I guess. My Prayer Beyond Ginnungagap by Blut Aus Nord is another example of a song that does that to me, especially ever since I had a dream about my grandfather's funeral, and I was just staring at him in his casket while the song was somehow playing out of nowhere. The room looked just like the actual room where his casket was before he was buried. I woke up with a tear in my eye and the song was still on.

One album by Ulver that I never saw discussed in here is Svidd Neger. If you never listenned to it, then do it right away. It's the soundtrack to the movie of the same title.

Though I really enjoy the album Perdition City, I can't agree with you on this one Sense. Bergtatt and Nattens Madrigal were revolutionnary to Black Metal and Black/Folk Metal. And as you are a fan of Agalloch, I think that is something you cannot deny. Listenning to the album Pale Folklore, you cannot pretend not to notive the heavy influence of an album like Bergtatt.

No, no, no! I don't think their most recent stuff is better than their Metal stuff. I couldn't imagine Black Metal without Ulver... Just thinking about it, makes me shiver...

My favorite Ulver albums are Bergtatt, Perdition City and Nattens Madrigal. PC is also a masterpiece in my opinion. And my opinion is the objective thruth.

At 8/26/11 10:22 PM, batman64 wrote: BEST BEER COMMERCIAL EVER...nuff said

I saw the commercial itself. Good to see Lemmy got a kick out of this and seeing his band on TV is definitely a breath of fresh air from all the talentless shits that plague our channels.

Speaking of beer, Amon Amarth now have their own brand of beer, lol.

At 8/27/11 02:26 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/18/11 09:21 PM, AniMetal wrote:

You got it dude.

Amon Amarth are a boring band because they are stuck in a very simplistic writting formula. They can't get their composition work to another level. I feel that all they do is play very simple melodic death metal with viking themes.

Again, I'll use Insomnium. What they do isn't hard or complex or original in any way. It's been done before. And yet they still get a huge following.

they will most likely just re-write the same album over and over again.

Like every other melodeath band.

All that is going right now is that you guys don't seem to understand the word simplistic, as it is used by AniMetal. There is stuff like The Beatles, that is simple music, but well structured, with a lot of different songs and different feelings to their songs. They have simple but effective and unique riffs. Ani and I are not falling, like you guys seem to believe, in a Complexity versus Simplicity argument. We are not trying to proove that Origin is better than Amon Amarth because of the technicality of their riffs and their ability to write very complex tracks.

Simplistic refers to a negative trait of simplicity. To me, Amon Amarth are not playing "a good simple" genre of music. They are playing a mediocre uncreative simple genre of music.

How is it uncreative? Or rather any less creative than every other melodeath band out there?

For the various reasons we stated, Amon Amarth are lacking in creativity and skill to write effective melodic death metal.

The man who doesn't play an instrument can definitely say they are lacking in skill. Yep.

They are playing a very generic kind of Melodic Death Metal, and covering it up with Viking themes. They put pictures of runes, vikings, dragons, drakkars and swords all over their album covers. They have beards, they play some "folkish and mythological" sounding lead riffs and mix them with generic tremolo picking riffs that you have most likely already heard played by another band, or even by themselves, in another track, on another album, but with the same chords re-organised and played in a different order.

Agalloch. They leach of their " folk " label and their " atmosphere ". But if you get past that, you realize they're horribly " simplistic " with bad song structure.

This is like covering a cheap supermarket cake with chocolate. Of course you have the chocolate taste, but this is still a cheap cake you are eating. And then, imagine eating the same cake again tomorrow, and again the day after tomorrow. Even the chocolate taste will get boring and ordinary after a while. Well, that's Amon Amarth... A band that fails to "re-invente" themselves and that will just re-write the same album over and over again.

Again, like every other melodeath band. These bands don't ever " reinvent " themselves, they just copy off another band. Same song structures, same vocals, same everything.

I'm back from my trip to Mexico with my girlfriend. It was a great trip :) I'm very happy and I might share some kvlt pictures with you. On a more metal note, when I came back home, three packages were waiting for me. My brand new Images And Words t-shirt, a Subterranean Masquerade album and the new Origin album, Entity. I bought all these products from eBay before leaving. My Dream Theater t-shirt is beautiful :) and so far, the Origin album is really good :)

I was also wondering if you guys could help me find some girl t-shirts on the internet for some metal bands. I'd like to buy one for my girlfriend whenever I can. She wear small girl t's. She likes Progressive Metal like DT, Symphony X, Blotted Science and some Atmospheric stuff like Agalloch and some Post-Rock bands like God Is An Astronaut or If These Trees Could Talk.

At 8/27/11 12:06 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Again, I'll use Insomnium. What they do isn't hard or complex or original in any way. It's been done before. And yet they still get a huge following.

So basically, you are just saying Insomnium are boring with this statement.

Like every other melodeath band.

On the top of my head, I can throw in just a few names to proove you wrong. Kalmah... Nightrage... Scar Symmetry.

I think I still have to give more explanations as to what I am talking about. I'm not saying it's wrong to stay true to the genre of music you are playing within. Each genre has it's own specific traits and it's not wrong to fit a genre. So maybe Insomnium are fitting a genre, it's not a problem. They can still be a good band. But bands like Amon Amarth, to me, are somewhat like AC/DC. The problem is not the genre they play, it's their total incapacity of evolving anywhere else. This is why I'm saying Amon Amarth better start working on the actual riffs instead of focusing on being vikings.

How is it uncreative? Or rather any less creative than every other melodeath band out there?

Maybe not... uncreative. But more like repetitive. Not within a same track, but through the discography and the albums. They are rather original, yes. They are not folk by any means, they are just a Melodic Death Metal band who likes to focus a lot on one theme. Not a problem. But don't you agree that the riffs are used to serve the theme? What I mean is that the riffs are not at the front of their music. They are only used to support the viking leads...

Maybe you could try to proove me wrong, though. I formed this opinion, but I might be wrong.

The man who doesn't play an instrument can definitely say they are lacking in skill. Yep.

Nice Ad Hominem here. If I'm watching a professionnal football game and that the quarterback barely ever makes a good throw, if I say "Well, this guy is a bad quarterback", are you the kind of people who would answer me "Well, he's still better than you"? Cause that's not the point. I don't have 5 full lenght releases. Plus, how can you just assume that I don't play music?...

Agalloch. They leach of their " folk " label and their " atmosphere ". But if you get past that, you realize they're horribly " simplistic " with bad song structure.

No. Not a single track they wrote is a copy+paste of another of their song or another band. They work on strong build-ups. Plus, you can't say they leach on their atmosphere and folk label. With their last album they prooved they can write very agressive black metal with a brand new and totally different kind of atmosphere. Take tracks like The Painted Grey...

Plus, I really like how you are trying to get in a confrontionnal situation. I never said you sucked or that you don't understand anything about music...

Again, like every other melodeath band. These bands don't ever " reinvent " themselves, they just copy off another band. Same song structures, same vocals, same everything.

Not true... I named quite a few bands who can easily proove that you are wrong.

By the way, I feel the need to point out that I usually insult someone during a discussion like this. However, its not just a " you're stoopid " insult. They almost always serve a point.

At 8/27/11 03:24 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/27/11 12:06 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Again, I'll use Insomnium. What they do isn't hard or complex or original in any way. It's been done before. And yet they still get a huge following.

So basically, you are just saying Insomnium are boring with this statement.

Not really, I love Insomnium, but they're not really " new " in a means.

Like every other melodeath band.

On the top of my head, I can throw in just a few names to proove you wrong. Kalmah

E string dancing.

:... Nightrage.

Metalcore is kewl.

.. Scar Symmetry.

I consider them more progressive with their clean vocals and what not. Of course Insomnium has that too, but not very often and its still pretty metal. But acoustic guitar has been done before and what not.

This is why I'm saying Amon Amarth better start working on the actual riffs

Because you know so much about riffing right? Anyway they have definitely changed their sound. Link at bottom.

How is it uncreative? Or rather any less creative than every other melodeath band out there?

Maybe not... uncreative. But more like repetitive. Not within a same track, but through the discography and the albums. They are rather original, yes. They are not folk by any means, they are just a Melodic Death Metal band who likes to focus a lot on one theme. Not a problem. But don't you agree that the riffs are used to serve the theme? What I mean is that the riffs are not at the front of their music. They are only used to support the viking leads...

Not at all. Unless of course vikings played severely downtuned electric guitar. You can't have a guitar riff that sounds " vikingish ".

Maybe you could try to proove me wrong, though. I formed this opinion, but I might be wrong.

The man who doesn't play an instrument can definitely say they are lacking in skill. Yep.

Nice Ad Hominem here. If I'm watching a professionnal football game and that the quarterback barely ever makes a good throw, if I say "Well, this guy is a bad quarterback", are you the kind of people who would answer me "Well, he's still better than you"? Cause that's not the point. I don't have 5 full lenght releases. Plus, how can you just assume that I don't play music?...

Not quite. I said that because you really can't judge their skill. I don't play violin, so I would never go up to a violinist and say " you have no skill ". As for your quarterback example, it would be fine if you had actually been a quarterback at some point or had some experience in major football games.
Or perhaps if you were to say " he is doing bad right now. "

Agalloch. They leach of their " folk " label and their " atmosphere ". But if you get past that, you realize they're horribly " simplistic " with bad song structure.

No. Not a single track they wrote is a copy+paste of another of their song or another band. They work on strong build-ups. Plus, you can't say they leach on their atmosphere and folk label. With their last album they prooved they can write very agressive black metal with a brand new and totally different kind of atmosphere. Take tracks like The Painted Grey...

Wanton rip-offs of Soul Invictus and Fields of Nephelim. And I wouldn't ever call them " agressive black metal " That's just sacriligious. And yes, they do copy+paste off their other songs. Their only decent release was Pale Folklore. I was actually talking with someone about agalloch and he said the word that fits them perfectly. Indie. Also, Absurd.

Plus, I really like how you are trying to get in a confrontionnal situation. I never said you sucked or that you don't understand anything about music...

I know you never said I sucked. However, you replied to my earlier post so it would only make sense that I reply to you replying to me.

Again, like every other melodeath band. These bands don't ever " reinvent " themselves, they just copy off another band. Same song structures, same vocals, same everything.

Not true... I named quite a few bands who can easily proove that you are wrong.

I wouldn't ever count nightrage for one, kalmah is good but they don't change their sound much. And I already mentioned SS.

Anywho,

13th melody
A Canorous Quintet
Ablaze
Ad vesperum

Amon Amarth.

At 8/27/11 04:50 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Because you know so much about riffing right? Anyway they have definitely changed their sound. Link at bottom.

What are you trying to proove exactly? I know a lot about riffing. Fuck you. Everytime someone disagree with you, you get pissed and you start throwing your stupid Ad Hominem taunts. No, seriously... Fuck you. Grow up.

Not at all. Unless of course vikings played severely downtuned electric guitar. You can't have a guitar riff that sounds " vikingish ".

This is exactly like your dumb argument against "folk metal". No, of course vikings didn't play electric guitars. But you can still try to emulate a feeling, an atmosphere, a kind of melody, a kind of sound, based on an ancient culture. Need I say "DUH" ?

Not quite. I said that because you really can't judge their skill. I don't play violin, so I would never go up to a violinist and say " you have no skill ". As for your quarterback example, it would be fine if you had actually been a quarterback at some point or had some experience in major football games.
Or perhaps if you were to say " he is doing bad right now. "

That's stupid. That's just plain stupid. You don't need to be a musician to judge music. I know a lot about music, and I can easily say that Unearth play generic riffs and that beyond the fact that they know where to place their fingers, these musicians are not anything like guys like Ron Jarzombeck, Michael Romeo or Dave Mustaine.

What you're saying is that I can't judge what makes a good musician because I don't play in a band, that I can't judge what makes a good book because I don't write books, Yeah right, I also can't judge if a girl knows how to suck a dick, because I don't suck dicks. Try to find some good arguments instead of your shitty Ad Hominem. This discussion is just going down. If you are not going to bring this anywhere, stop arguing.

Wanton rip-offs of Soul Invictus and Fields of Nephelim. And I wouldn't ever call them " agressive black metal " That's just sacriligious. And yes, they do copy+paste off their other songs. Their only decent release was Pale Folklore. I was actually talking with someone about agalloch and he said the word that fits them perfectly. Indie. Also, Absurd.

So yeah, now making a cover of some other artist's track is a rip-off. And taking influences from other bands, is also ripping them off. Good job, now that's cleaver. And now, try to understand the difference between raw black metal and what I called agressive black metal. I didn't say they were playing stuff like Balrog, Mayhem or Gorgoroth. But tracks like The Painted Grey, are definitely more agressive then the stuff they wrote for Pale Folklore and Ashes Against The Grain.

I know you never said I sucked. However, you replied to my earlier post so it would only make sense that I reply to you replying to me.

No, you are insulting me. And just a few pages back, you were insulting AniMetal. Can't you realise that you act like a pissed teenager whenever we don't agree with you? Plus, it's just stupid that you feel the need to talk about Agalloch and how much you think they suck whenever we get in an argument together. This is not a good way to argue. I say "I think Amon Amarth are uncreative." and your favorite argument against my points is always "Well you like Agalloch, fuck you." This is irrelevant... Instead of explainning how Amon Amarth are not like what I described, you throw another Ad Hominem at me, saying I can't judge if Amon Amarth are creative or not because I like uncreative stuff like Agalloch...

I wouldn't ever count nightrage for one, kalmah is good but they don't change their sound much. And I already mentioned SS.

Kalmah changes their sound for every single record. They made rawer albums like Swampsong. This album is more focused on the two guitars and how the rhythm and lead guitars work together. Albums like They Will Return are far more melodic and the keys take a much more important place on this record then what they do on Swampsong. Now take their three last albums and compare them to their earlier work, and you can see a huge evolution between the two "eras".

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