At 8/9/11 02:54 AM, J-Rex wrote: Thanks so what do we do here besides talk about metal music?

You make it sound like simple stuff :P

We recommand artists and ask for recommandations. Some of us also write reviews for website like Metal-Archives. Members like Bahamut write reviews that they share on their own personnal blog, here on Newgrounds. We talk about musicians, gigs, instruments and almost anything that is somehow related to metal, or that is related to our appreciation of Metal music. Like Ponos, who smokes weed while listenning to Stoner Metal :P Most important... we fight all the time.

At 8/9/11 02:50 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/9/11 02:13 AM, J-Rex wrote: Pantera , SOAD, Mettalica, 3 Inches Of Blood, Anthrax, Accept, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Kiss, Motorhead, Rainbow, Thin Lizzy, UFO, W.A.S.P., Slayer, MegaDeth, and GWAR. Also I thought Rammstein was German Power Metal?

The others though, are not metal.

So, UFO is considered rock, but Thin Lizzy is metal? I always thought of them as a rock band.

At 8/9/11 01:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/8/11 04:59 PM, Bahamut wrote: I find this to be an odd statement. V has far too many good tracks to be ignored. Hell, the damn album is on my sig!

Well, I never said I didn't like it...

I didn't necessarily think of you for that statement, just a general thought.

At 8/9/11 04:13 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Members like Bahamut write reviews that they share on their own personnal blog, here on Newgrounds.

The blog aspect of the site probably isn't the best of places to talk about metal, unless it's a big act like Metallica or Judas Priest but I'm happy to post them here anyway. If I do go with writing full reviews in the near-future, I think a site of my own for the reviews is more appropriate. That way I don't have myself restricted by MA's review policies.

Like Ponos, who smokes weed while listenning to Stoner Metal :P

I thought that applied to Bill as well.

At 8/9/11 07:25 AM, K2LU wrote: So, UFO is considered rock, but Thin Lizzy is metal? I always thought of them as a rock band.

Huh, UFO aren't even on MA. I thought they would have had a spot on the site if they were going to accept Thin Lizzy. This is my problem with MA and their lack of consistency with what's metal for the classic rock artists. You have Deep Purple, Rainbow and Rush on there but not Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep or UFO. I often think Deep Purple, Rainbow and Rush are more on the rock side than metal. Not saying their music has no trace of metal, though as 2112 has some clear metal elements as well as Rainbow's Kill the King being proto-power metal.

So I decided to give Ephel Duath a listen after hearing about them a while ago. I don't know if I just happened to pick their worst song, but I did not like it at all. I thought the vocals were awful and I didn't hear any jazz. Only someone running up and down melodic minor scales.

At 8/9/11 07:25 AM, K2LU wrote: So, UFO is considered rock, but Thin Lizzy is metal? I always thought of them as a rock band.

The line between hard rock and traditional metal is kind of blurred.

In my opinion, almost every "hard rock" or "traditional metal band" in the 70's and early 80's was actually both genres.

Personally I actually view Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, Thin Lizzy, Saxon, Raven, Accept, etc. to be rock and not metal. But that's just me.

At 8/8/11 11:51 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

At 8/8/11 10:20 PM, mothballs wrote: I won't even go on to ask about how anyone in god's name can hate Dark Funeral,

They're just like Marduk to me. Boring and monotonous.

My sentiments exactly.

At 8/9/11 01:47 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/8/11 05:04 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Well, you said it was a shitty album... with no kind of appeal at all... Never did you mention that it was not quite on par with the other Symphony X albums.

Well it is kind of shittie. The bass/drums/keyboards/lyrics are all horrible on that album and the guitar, while technical, is repetitive and also kind of groove metal esque in the way it constantly starts and stops in the riffs. The vocals are the only REAL redeeming thing of the album.

The Odyssey itself aside, that song was a masterpiece.

Fuck what?! How come I never heard of them before?!

I just heard of them about a month ago myself haha

Anyway, they're doing a east coast tour and the show here is super cheap. So i'll go and let you all know if this super group will be anything special to write home about. ;D

So... Pantera, 3 Inches Of Blood and Metallica are the only Metal bands you listed...
I don't want to be rude, but if you can't come up with any more metal you like, I think you won't make the cut. So being one of the useless figureheads previously mentionned by AniMetal... I'll have to tell you that you don't meet the requirements of the Metal Hell... unless you have a few real metal bands to list.

Aren't Faith No More metal? (I never listened to them, but I was always under the impression that they were)

God damn I love Torche.

At 8/9/11 07:25 AM, K2LU wrote: So, UFO is considered rock, but Thin Lizzy is metal? I always thought of them as a rock band.

Well, I'll be completely honest with you, I don't know all the bands he listed. But I went on Wikipedia and Metal Archives and typed in the names of the bands I didn't really know, to see how these websites classified them.

Thin Lizzy on MA is classified as both Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Meaning that they are most likely sitting on the verge between the two genres... or that they play both genres...

And UFO, well like I said, they are Proto-Metal. Meaning they are a Rock band in the first place, but that their sound as highly influenced Metal. UFO are one of the most influential bands for the NWOBHM scene. Can they be classified as Heavy Metal themselves? I don't know... Maybe. I say ask around the Metal Hell... others might come up with an other definition.

At 8/9/11 08:34 AM, Bahamut wrote: I thought that applied to Bill as well.

Of course, Bill two.

Huh, UFO aren't even on MA. I thought they would have had a spot on the site if they were going to accept Thin Lizzy. This is my problem with MA and their lack of consistency with what's metal for the classic rock artists. You have Deep Purple, Rainbow and Rush on there but not Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep or UFO. I often think Deep Purple, Rainbow and Rush are more on the rock side than metal. Not saying their music has no trace of metal, though as 2112 has some clear metal elements as well as Rainbow's Kill the King being proto-power metal.

Yeah well, that's why I only use websites like these as a reference. But I try to evalutate a band by myself when I have the time to do it. But yes, if Metal Archives includes bands like Deep Purple on their website, there is no good reason not to include UFO and Led Zeppelin. Same goes for all the shitty deathcore bands like Waking The Cadaver who gets a spot on MA, but bands like Between The Buried And Me or Protest The Hero can't seem to get a spot. It definitely lacks in consistancy.

At 8/9/11 12:05 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So I decided to give Ephel Duath a listen after hearing about them a while ago. I don't know if I just happened to pick their worst song, but I did not like it at all. I thought the vocals were awful and I didn't hear any jazz. Only someone running up and down melodic minor scales.

They suck balls... I listenned to two of their albums and I was completely dissapointed by their pathetic attempt at being Avant-garde... but failling badly. I'm also pissed that such a terrible band bear the name of Ephel Duath...

At 8/9/11 12:17 PM, AniMetal wrote: Well it is kind of shittie. The bass/drums/keyboards/lyrics are all horrible on that album and the guitar, while technical, is repetitive and also kind of groove metal esque in the way it constantly starts and stops in the riffs. The vocals are the only REAL redeeming thing of the album.

I thought tracks like King Of Terrors and The Turning were pretty good.

The Odyssey itself aside, that song was a masterpiece.

Great track, I love it :)

Fuck what?! How come I never heard of them before?!

I just heard of them about a month ago myself haha

Anyway, they're doing a east coast tour and the show here is super cheap. So i'll go and let you all know if this super group will be anything special to write home about. ;D

They play anything else then covers?

Aren't Faith No More metal? (I never listened to them, but I was always under the impression that they were)

I don't know them really. I just tried splitting all the bands he listed in two categories... metal and not metal. But I guess that was kind of rubbish...

Faith No More I think was metal but then in the 90's with there new singer they might have gone nu-metal/metal. Here's first singer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQIuDEHV ng
Here's second singer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTT_sv8s V0 I'll let you guys judge it. i like both singers.

Jesus man, it was only a joke. I didn't mean to offend you or anything. I never said that's all you did and if someone makes a factual error, there's no need to unleash it out on us like that. Just correct us nicely.

At 8/9/11 03:23 PM, J-Rex wrote: Faith No More I think was metal but then in the 90's with there new singer they might have gone nu-metal/metal. Here's first singer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoQIuDEHV ng
Here's second singer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERTT_sv8s V0 I'll let you guys judge it. i like both singers.

Yeah hey dude you know that both vocalists are the same guy right? They're both Mike Patton. Their original singer, Chuck Mosley left in 1987 or something like that. Patton sang from The Real Thing through Album of the Year (their last album).

And yes, I consider Faith no More to be metal.

At 8/9/11 04:44 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Yeah hey dude you know that both vocalists are the same guy right? They're both Mike Patton. Their original singer, Chuck Mosley left in 1987 or something like that. Patton sang from The Real Thing through Album of the Year (their last album).

And yes, I consider Faith no More to be metal.

Well, you can't blame Mike Patton for not being versatile, that's for sure.

I think it's funny, I love both Mr. Bungle and Fantomas but I haven't even checked out Faith No More or any of Patton's other projects.

Someone recommend me a FNM album or two to check out, along with something by any of his other projects if they're anything special.

At 8/9/11 02:56 PM, SomaGuye wrote: God damn I love Torche.

Great band is great.

Baroness, Kylesa, Bison B.C., Black Tusk, Howl, High On Fire, Made Out Of Babies, Mastodon, Red Fang, Priestless, Taint, etc, etc.

Sludge Metal is such a great fucking genre. <3

At 8/9/11 03:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Thin Lizzy on MA is classified as both Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Meaning that they are most likely sitting on the verge between the two genres... or that they play both genres...

Hard rock and traditional metal in general is pretty borderline of each other, that includes UFO.

I've said it before though: Led Zeppelin and UFO are the most influential nonmetal bands out there. Or at least, from the 70's.

The Odyssey itself aside, that song was a masterpiece.

Great track, I love it :)

Who doesn't? haha

Anyway, they're doing a east coast tour and the show here is super cheap. So i'll go and let you all know if this super group will be anything special to write home about. ;D

They play anything else then covers?

They're releasing a 5 song EP of original songs later this month.

I'm assuming their setlist will be all five of those songs, that black sabbath cover "Mob Rules" and a song or two by each band all the members are from. That's just my prediction though.

I don't know them really. I just tried splitting all the bands he listed in two categories... metal and not metal. But I guess that was kind of rubbish...

It's whatever. I think Faith No More, based off what I understand, can be categorized as both metal and not metal.

At 8/9/11 03:25 PM, batman64 wrote: Early Deep Purple is More Metal than 1/2 the fucking Prog shit You fucks call Metal

Most "metal" I don't consider metal.

A lot of the "industrial metal" I just consider gothic rock or industrial rock.

A good sum of progressive metal is just progressive rock with occasional metal riffs or aggressive-based lyrics.

All sludge metal I don't consider metal, it all either goes closer to hardcore punk or sounds like an entirely new genre all together that just has roots in metal. (This is further supported by the fact many neosludge bands aren't even metal fans beyond a few bands)

Drone metal... well I don't even get why people call it metal in the first place.

Etc.

I've heard a bunch of songs from Angel Dust so i guess if you were to check out a Faith No More album that one would be the one.

At 8/9/11 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: I think it's funny, I love both Mr. Bungle and Fantomas but I haven't even checked out Faith No More or any of Patton's other projects.

Someone recommend me a FNM album or two to check out, along with something by any of his other projects if they're anything special.

Listen to Angel Dust, The Real Thing, and Album of the Year. All are classic records.

At 8/9/11 02:56 PM, SomaGuye wrote: God damn I love Torche.

I saw Torche live three weeks ago. Fucking amazing concert. They were so heavy live, yet at the same time, their sound was crystal clear.

Baroness, Kylesa, Bison B.C., Black Tusk, Howl, High On Fire, Made Out Of Babies, Mastodon, Red Fang, Priestless, Taint, etc, etc.

Sludge Metal is such a great fucking genre. <3

Fucking agreed with every fucking bone in my body.

Fuck.

My official review for Burzum-Belus Dod........SHIT!!!!! The first song was the only song worth listening to out of that whole album. His drums were weak as shit too, I still want to listen to the new album. Also speaking of black metal I discovered Galhammar and fucking love them! It's like a massive wet dream of Asian grimness and boobs.

Next Saturday I'm ordering $74 worth of patches for my coat. :3

Also fuck you Ani!!! I don't see power puff gurls doing anything interesting!

Oh yeah forgot to show you all my BAMF battle I had with my friend.

AND SURTUR IS MY NAAAAAME!!!!

At 8/9/11 10:09 PM, batman64 wrote: Sorry...I went off and I was wrong in doing so.

Bill I hope all things work out, but most fucktards ( 98%) on this website don't understand America is one of the most oppressive police states in the world. It's bad enough when we got police beating the shit out of handicapped people and tazing them "oh but smeagol1 your a filthy conspiracy theorist what the hell do you know your crazy?!" Bill I suggest you get out of the city it's going to worse I guarantee it, they already declaring martial law pretty much around the south border of the country. They have military and police going door to door taking peoples guns away.
I tell you it's only a matter of time before the people finally wake up 100% and lead a revolution.
Vist the link in my sig infowars and ignore the trolls and brainwashed zombies that thrive on this site. I think you will be amazed at what this guy talks about.

oh btw did you hear that the ATF and the Obama admin smuggling tens of thousand of fire arms to the Mexican drug cartels and gangs within the U.S ?

I could rant all day but im not.

At 8/9/11 03:25 PM, batman64 wrote: So all I do is get high and listen to stoner metal?
FUCK YOU!!!!
I have done plenty in here over the years in here
I have given reviews and talked about plenty of METAL bands

It's a joke dude... I've always said you are important for the Metal Hell, and I'm one of the guys who suggested you get the Horseman title back.

And fucking get your facts right before speaking up
Alice Cooper DID release a METAL album you fucks
Brutal Planet is straight up fucking Metal
Get a fucking clue before speaking

I don't know about that, but I've said Alice Cooper was an important influence to other metal bands. So maybe I wasn't right about him being or not being a metal artist... but I know he his important to metal.

At 8/9/11 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: They're releasing a 5 song EP of original songs later this month.

That's cool! What kind of music will they be playing?

I'm assuming their setlist will be all five of those songs, that black sabbath cover "Mob Rules" and a song or two by each band all the members are from. That's just my prediction though.

Could they really play tracks from the bands they original came from? Sounds kind of weird... Never saw that before. And I think it would just be weird to have someone else than Michael Romeo playing any Symphony X guitar riff.

All sludge metal I don't consider metal, it all either goes closer to hardcore punk or sounds like an entirely new genre all together that just has roots in metal. (This is further supported by the fact many neosludge bands aren't even metal fans beyond a few bands)

I've rarely heard anybody call this genre Sludge Metal. Most of the time it's simply Sludge.

Drone metal... well I don't even get why people call it metal in the first place.

Because it comes from Doom Metal. Drone Metal isn't a genre, the correct genre classification is Drone Doom. I suggest you listen to the track "Doom" by Bongripper. This track is somewhere between your typical modern Doom Metal (Bongripper, Electric Wizard) and Drone Doom. This is the kind of track that can help you understand the connection between Drone Doom and Metal.

At 8/9/11 10:09 PM, batman64 wrote: Sorry...I went off and I was wrong in doing so.
Just under a LOT of stress today..more than usual.

But NOOOOOOOOOO, can't do that...becomes a fucking HATE CRIME then right?
3 blacks beat the fuck out of someone it's called repressed anger and acting out through taking a couple centuries of shit from the white man...bullshit if you ask me.

Not like you can really suffer from the pain of an ancestor you never heard of :P

So again, I apologize for coming in here, looking for a lil something to make my day a lil better..like hearing bout a band I don't know or something...and instead reading how my position as a Horseman is useless and that I am primarily known for getting high and listening to stoner as well as reading the same old argument bout what is and is not metal...so yeah sorry if I kinda went off a bit and will try my best not to do it again..just a fucked up day.

I'm surprised you actually believed that both me and Bahamut, Horsemen of the Metal Hell, and long-time members of the Hell, would say something like that seriously. I feel sorry for all the tough shit you are going through, but don't ever think that we will be making more trouble in your life.

Now for the argument on what is metal and what isn't... I think it's still useful... This club is a place for metalheads, and if we would have allowed in every single kid who asked to join, we would be discussing bands like Suicide Silence, Bring Me The Horizon and stuff like that with little 14 years old scene kiddies.

So when I hear bands like Venom or any other band with corpse paint, growls and satanist lyrics I laugh at it...For fuck's sake if you are gonna stand behind what you sing then make sure you are understood without having to play demon and prance around growling in makeup while the band chugs away behind you..I dunno, just my opinion and thoughts on the matter.

What's so bad about corpsepaint, seriously? You're the first one to stand up to defend Alice Cooper as a metal artist if anyone in here dares to say anything you don't like on him, and that guy, was the kind of guy who used a lot of makeup, costumes and other stuff like that for the show. So what's so bad about corpsepaint?

Plus, not all BM bands who wear corpsepaint are satanist...

And em... what's so bad about growl or black metal screams? I don't know when it became mandatory to have clean vocals and easily understandeable lyrics. Maybe I do like it when bands like Gris or Wolves In The Throne Room use these emotion-filled vocals, even if I can't easily grasp the meaning of the words. You can still read lyrics on the internet... so what's so bad about it?

Bands like Necromandus...should have been huge..Tony Iommi discovered them, produced an album with em as well as adding some guitar..damn good band that got turned down and gave up.

I'll check them out :)

And btw, don't get pissed... I never meant to harm you in any way...

At 8/10/11 03:48 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: They're releasing a 5 song EP of original songs later this month.

That's cool! What kind of music will they be playing?

No idea.

I'm assuming, based off members alone, that something overly technical and awesome. But I guess we'll have to see. :P

Could they really play tracks from the bands they original came from? Sounds kind of weird... Never saw that before.

That's USUALLY what supergroups do the first few years they're together...

And I think it would just be weird to have someone else than Michael Romeo playing any Symphony X guitar riff.

Not too unusual. There's like 50 Pharaoh covers on youtube.... and it's not the riffs that are fucked up in any of them, it's the bassist that fucks it up each time.

Thomas Miller. <3

I've rarely heard anybody call this genre Sludge Metal. Most of the time it's simply Sludge.

Because it comes from Doom Metal. Drone Metal isn't a genre, the correct genre classification is Drone Doom. I suggest you listen to the track "Doom" by Bongripper. This track is somewhere between your typical modern Doom Metal (Bongripper, Electric Wizard) and Drone Doom. This is the kind of track that can help you understand the connection between Drone Doom and Metal.

Drone Doom, a cross between modern doom metal and the drone I speak of? That sounds bizarre because I DO NOT consider modern doom metal to be doom metal.

Like electric wizard, I fucking love them, but they're not whom I consider doom metal... that's saved for bands like Black Sabbath, Pentagram, Saint Vitus, Reverend Bizarre, Witchfinder General, Candlemass, etc.

Now for the argument on what is metal and what isn't... I think it's still useful... This club is a place for metalheads, and if we would have allowed in every single kid who asked to join, we would be discussing bands like Suicide Silence, Bring Me The Horizon and stuff like that with little 14 years old scene kiddies.

Plus, not all BM bands who wear corpsepaint are satanist...

Not all BM bands even wear corpsepaint. In fact, most don't.

Actually, every black metal band i've seen that was super dressed up or corpsepainted up has sucked. The times i've seen ones that don't, like goatwhore(okay, BLACKENED death metal) and rotting christ, the shows were amazing.

Just worth pointing out.

And em... what's so bad about growl or black metal screams? I don't know when it became mandatory to have clean vocals and easily understandeable lyrics. Maybe I do like it when bands like Gris or Wolves In The Throne Room use these emotion-filled vocals, even if I can't easily grasp the meaning of the words. You can still read lyrics on the internet... so what's so bad about it?

They're just obnoxious sounding. All harsh vocals are.

And btw, don't get pissed... I never meant to harm you in any way...

This sentence alone makes me wonder: "What the fuck is wrong with the metal club on THIS site?"

At 8/10/11 09:12 AM, AniMetal wrote: They're just obnoxious sounding. All harsh vocals are.

woah woah woah woah woah.

Lois this isn't my batman glass.

At 8/10/11 03:48 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: They're releasing a 5 song EP of original songs later this month.

That's cool! What kind of music will they be playing?

This. Pretty meh if you ask me.

At 8/9/11 12:17 PM, AniMetal wrote: Personally I actually view Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, Thin Lizzy, Saxon, Raven, Accept, etc. to be rock and not metal. But that's just me.

Considering what we just said about the blurred line, I don't blame you for saying that.

Aren't Faith No More metal? (I never listened to them, but I was always under the impression that they were)

I think it's been established enough but I do think they are a metal band. The Real Thing has many metal elements present and Angel Dust has some heavy tracks as well. The only other album of theirs I have is King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime.

At 8/9/11 08:01 PM, J-Rex wrote: I've heard a bunch of songs from Angel Dust so i guess if you were to check out a Faith No More album that one would be the one.

I think The Real Thing is the better album to check out. Angel Dust has some really weird tracks that don't make it easy for new listeners.

At 8/9/11 10:09 PM, batman64 wrote: Sorry...I went off and I was wrong in doing so.

I figured something was going on in your life and after reading what's happened, I feel very sorry for you right now. Can't say I'm impressed with the actions from the cops since I expected America's police forces to be a whole lot better than the UK (if one gets arrested for beating a fucking burglar to death, this country is going to hell... Well, it is right now). I'm wishing the best of luck for you and hope your witnesses will bring justice to the court. Although you're in a tough situation right now, hopefully you can find something that will ease your mind for a while.

On another note, the talk about unknown 60s and 70s metal is very intriguing and I'll have to check them up later on.

At 8/8/11 10:28 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/8/11 10:20 PM, mothballs wrote: I won't even go on to ask about how anyone in god's name can hate Dark Funeral, so I'll just ask, what do you consider good black metal?

There's no other band on earth that brings out the feeling in me than Dark Funeral.

I love first wave black metal... Bathory, Celtic Frost and Hellhammer. (And arguably the first two kreator albums, if you consider that 1st wave black metal.)

I also LOVE Rotting Christ.

But for the most part I only truly like depressive black metal. Silencer, Shining, Svarti Loghin, etc.

Also post-black metal like Alcest, Les Discrets, Dopamine, etc. is amazing.

If only you didn't like Bathory our taste in Black Metal would be just the same.

Also, if you like Rotting Christ check out Moonspell.

At 8/10/11 05:07 PM, batman64 wrote: The fucks become one of the BIGGEST bands EVER and they are soon everywhere..TV, radio, toys, games, comic books..friggin huge. But basically they are just 4 guys in makeup giving a show acting out as characters onstage. So one day they get rid of the makeup and continue on...notice if you will that during this time their popularity dropped. Seems people were more into the characters than the actual performers. So what do they do? Back to makeup and theatrics again and once again their popularity rises. Moral there is People like to be entertained plain and simple.Which to me is fucked considering that the MUSIC should be important, not the friggin theatrics around it.

That's just how it is on the pop scene... Most of the people don't really care about the music itself...

Then we have the Black Metal, viking , and others in that area.
More makeup..but this time the makeup is used to show how EVIL they are..and the thing is, Duff bro you hit it on the head...most of these bands have a lack of musicianship and basically sing the same shit..ARRRGH blarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr grunt SATANNNNNNNNNNN blarrrrrrrrrrrrr greptz..most of it unintelligible.Seems to me bands like this use masks and paint to hide themselves..it's like they are embarrassed to be seen on stage so they hide behind a mask.

I don't think it's used to show how evil they are. And like AniMetal said, most of the people from the Black Metal scene don't even wear make-up. Awesome bands like Austere, Wolves In The Throne Room, Bathory, Dark Forest, Ihsahn... and more bands, don't even use corpsepaint. And if you think that any of these bands sound anything like each others, than you got your head stuck up deep in your pooper. No harm meant, I just thought it sounded funny :P Most of the time, when a genre feels unappealing to an individual, he will describe the scene the way you did it "same shit". And I can't hate you for this. When you don't like a specific genre, you tend to focus on the elements you dislike about the genre and forget about what makes each performers unique.

Again, don't fall into the stereotypes... Most bands are not satanic... bands like WITTR are left-wing environmentalists guys from the USA. Nothing to do with radical right-wing racists who burn churches in Norway, right?

Over the years, the corpsepaint just became a part of the tradition of the scene. Believe me dude, if I was in a Black Metal band, I'd do it just for the kicks. It's fun to do, it goes with the aesthetic of the scene, the emotions and the general wibe of the genre. These corpsepaint are associated with sadness, anger... and other emotions like these.

Now, do not get me wrong..only saying some bands in the genre use this, not all.
I am just saying the ones who do are using masks for the wrong reason..it's more of a fashion statement than a statement if you get my meaning.

I don't know if I'd be ready to call it a "fashion". But you have to admit that every musical scene is associated with some specific clothing, attitude and aesthetic. Corpsepaint and forests goes with Black Metal... Beer and Leather Jackets... Heavy Metal.

And I am not saying all Black Metal is like this..that would be foolish and incorrect.
There are a lot of Black Metal bands who are talented and do not need cheap makeup and theatrics to make their point..they do what should be done with ALL bands...They make the Music count without having to dress up and blow up shit onstage.

I don't know why you make it sound like if it was such an important part of the scene that was like that. Every single musical genre has it's own copycats who just try to emulate the feeling and riffing of the most popular and succesful bands of the genre. I still think corpsepaint is cool though :P Call me a poser if you will :P

And about the growling and such prevalent in MOST, not ALL, Metal today..ok, I can see it has it's place, emotions and all..but I do not see the point of having every song by a band sounding the same vocal wise. I mean if you have something to say isn't it best to say it CLEARLY so others can easily get your message? Like say you want to sing about how the world is fucked and you are tying to just make it..would it not make sense to sing clearly "I am tired, I am hurt, I just want to live" then to growl out blarrrrrrrrrrrrrr tired growllllllllllllll hurt arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh live? Maybe it's just me because I was born early and am used to Vocals that can be understood and used to the old ways of doing a show..where the music and message came first.

How is it not important to the music to have the vocalist sound differently? You can see this as a different tuning to your guitar. Instead of adding more distortion and dropping the tuning of your guitar, you make your voice sound differently.

Ok, make this a lil simpler..want you guys to try something for me.
I want you to listen, really listen, to these songs I post here..see how easy it is to get the message.
Then I want you to listen to some of YOUR favorite Black Metal..the evil preferably for I know that the Genre has more to offer than just that...listen , compare..then honestly answer yourself this question "Which truly sounds more evil? Which song really gets the message across?"

I don't listen to Black Metal that tries hard to sound evil. I'll just throw in some random Black Metal track names in here so we can see if the Satanism is a big part of the reason why I enjoy BM.

Alcest - Tristesse Hivernal (translates into something like Winter Sadness or whatever)
Anthelion - Grave Ocean
Arcturus - The Chaos Path
Austere - To Fade Away With the Dusk
Balrog - The Left Hand Of God (I think there is some Satanical references here)
Borknagor - The Eye Of Oden
Conqueror - Hammor Of Antichrist (Another Biblical reference here)
Dark Forest - Eternal Forest
Enslaved - Queen Of Night
Fen - Colossal Voids
Forefather - Steadfast
Forteresse - De Sang Et De Volonté (transaltion: Of Blood and Will)
Galadriel - In The Garden Of Lost Shades
Gontyna Kry - We Are Coming...
Gorgoroth - White Seed (I know that Gorgoroth have a lot of Satanical themes usually, but like I said, I picked this one randomly)
Gris - Cicatrice (translation: Scar)
Ihsahn - Alchemist

No need to keep on going. You got the point...

Black Widow: Come to the Sabbat
Coven:Satanic Mass...from 1969

I'll listen to it :)

All I wanted was to make a point...don't need the makeup and theatrics if your music and message speaks for itself...unless you are just a showman, an entertainer playing a role onstage.

It's both a role, and part of the aesthetic of the genre.

And growls have their purpose and place...i just can't understand having to always use them..unless one can't actually sing and that is the best they can come up with, and if that is the case..please don't call yourself a singer.

Listen to the vocalist Vald from Blood Red Throne. This guy is one of my all time favorite growlers. He has powerful vocals and really, there is no reason why he should envy a guy who does clean vocals. Then compare this beast to some cheap-ass growler like the kid from Bring Me The Horizon... you'll realise there are different levels when it comes to growls and screams quality... Plus, I really couldn't imagine BRT with clean vocals, it just doesn't fit the genre of music they play.

Thanks for that little chat Bill :)

Spastic Ink - See, And It's Sharp!

At 8/10/11 09:12 AM, AniMetal wrote: I'm assuming, based off members alone, that something overly technical and awesome. But I guess we'll have to see. :P

From what I've heard so far... it will probably be some kind of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal project... I really don't know about it... Based on what I've heard, it's not really my cup of tea.

Not too unusual. There's like 50 Pharaoh covers on youtube.... and it's not the riffs that are fucked up in any of them, it's the bassist that fucks it up each time.

I'm not talking about amateur covers... but professionnalk artists playing other artists tracks.

Drone Doom, a cross between modern doom metal and the drone I speak of? That sounds bizarre because I DO NOT consider modern doom metal to be doom metal.

Whatever... I don't care if you want to call it Doom Metal or not, but Drone Doom, is a subgenre of Doom Metal. You want to call it Pitiponk Metal, I don't care, Drone Doom is still a Metal subgenre.

Like electric wizard, I fucking love them, but they're not whom I consider doom metal... that's saved for bands like Black Sabbath, Pentagram, Saint Vitus, Reverend Bizarre, Witchfinder General, Candlemass, etc.

So how would you classify Electric Wizard then?

This sentence alone makes me wonder: "What the fuck is wrong with the metal club on THIS site?"

I really don't know, but I love this place and it's people :)

At 8/10/11 09:48 AM, K2LU wrote:

At 8/10/11 03:48 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: That's cool! What kind of music will they be playing?

This. Pretty meh if you ask me.

I'm not really impressed either. Not that it's bad, but really not my cup of tea.

Spastic Ink - A Wild Hare

So Duff, how is Opeth coming along for you?

At 8/10/11 06:51 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So Duff, how is Opeth coming along for you?

Well... I still need to get some of their albums... I know I said I would do that a few weeks ago, but I still didn't start. I should get some albums as soon as possible, to finaly give it a go!

At 8/10/11 07:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 8/10/11 06:51 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So Duff, how is Opeth coming along for you?

Well... I still need to get some of their albums... I know I said I would do that a few weeks ago, but I still didn't start. I should get some albums as soon as possible, to finaly give it a go!

Well get on dat shit brah. Still going to start from the most recent? Or just any order?

I take back what I saide about the Burzum album Belus DOD, I laid back for a awhile and listened to the whole album and have to say I judged it too fast. It's a really relaxing album and you have to just chill the fuck out and give it a chance before you judge it.

4/5

At 8/10/11 06:32 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Whatever... I don't care if you want to call it Doom Metal or not, but Drone Doom, is a subgenre of Doom Metal. You want to call it Pitiponk Metal, I don't care, Drone Doom is still a Metal subgenre.

Well I don't even hear any real RIFFS or anything metal in Sunn O)))

How you can classify it as a subgenre of metal is beyond me. it's closer to ambient.

So how would you classify Electric Wizard then?

NOT as doom metal.

I think their should be multiple genres. While I love both this and this, I don't see how the fuck they can be the same genre.

At 8/10/11 10:19 AM, Bahamut wrote: I think it's been established enough but I do think they are a metal band. The Real Thing has many metal elements present and Angel Dust has some heavy tracks as well. The only other album of theirs I have is King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime.

Downloaded both Angel Dust and The Real Thing. Thanks guys. :D

Will listen to them later.