Alright, it's three and a half weeks before I go to see Iron Maiden in Birmingham. Yes, you can all envy me... except maybe Bahamut, since he's going to see them in London a day or two later.

So, has anyone been to a Maiden gig before? I've seen Alice Cooper live, but that's going to pale in comparison, I think. Photos will be forthcoming when I get back from the gig, since I'll only be able to communicate like Stephen Hawking for a few days afterwards.

Hints, tips and the like are appreciated.

At 7/6/11 08:47 AM, Coop wrote: except maybe Bahamut, since he's going to see them in London a day or two later.

WROOOOOONG!

I'm seeing them in Manchester while my sister is seeing them in London which clashes with the London meet.

At 7/6/11 08:47 AM, Coop wrote:
So, has anyone been to a Maiden gig before? I've seen Alice Cooper live, but that's going to pale in comparison, I think. Photos will be forthcoming when I get back from the gig, since I'll only be able to communicate like Stephen Hawking for a few days afterwards.

Iron Maiden was the first concert I went to, 3 years ago. I don't really like how they always just play all their boring, most popular songs.

At 7/6/11 02:05 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I really did open my recommandation for Cynic with the Demo albums, which are truly Death/Thrash albums. Keep that in mind.

I've never listened to the demos, are they anything special?

You're so weird, Immortal is the third band you're recommending for "thrash metal"....

No. I recommanded an album by Immortal that is Blackened Thrash Metal.

...i've never once, in my entire life, heard anyone call Immortal "blackened thrash" or read any reviews claiming they were even thrashie.

so I'm not about to name more "traditionnal thrash metal" bands, since he already knows them. Seing how much of a big Thrash Metal fan, I thought it would be great to open him up to some other genres. Starting with bands like Immortal which are obviously not straight up black metal, was to me, one of the best idea.

The only bands i've found that i'd consider blackened thrash metal are Witchaven and Destroyer 666. haha

Then do your homeworks and listen to some Immortal.

Again, everything i've ever heard about them points to them being black metal. Not "blackened thrash"

In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

You know that Traditional Metal is not a genre, right? Like, when this "traditional metal" you are talking about was first created, it couldn't be named "traditional metal" since there was really no tradition in this sound. So what you are talking about when you use this "wrong" genre classification, is Heavy Metal like Black Sabbath. Seing how Thrash Metal comes from Heavy Metal, it is pretty hard to draw a line between both genres, especially when it comes to classifiyng bands from the 80's. Still, I think you must be deaf if you don't hear any 80's Thrash Metal influences in Meanstreak.

Dude, genres change names over time. Did you know that back in the 80's that bands like D.R.I. and Nuclear Assault were called Metalcore?

Meanstreak has occasional thrashish riffs, but they aren't thrash.

Still what? They are definitely Thrash Metal. It's like saying Sonata Arctica or Hammerfall are not "real power metal" because they are dissed by the typical pm fan...

Nah i'm not saying they aren't real, just that it's unusual to see them recommended.

Plus, you need to consider that the kid already knows a shitload of Thrash Metal,
Here are some more bands you could try listenning to if you like Thrash Metal.
Exodus
Testament
Overkill
Destruction
Sodom
Tankard.

If he doesn't know these bands, then he really DOESN'T know shit about thrash metal like you claimed. These bands are all really fucking popular. Especially Overkill and Testament.

Some of my favorite thrash metal albums:

Blind Illusion- The Sane Asylum
Razor- Violent Restitution
Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence
Wehrmacht- Biermacht
Spazztic Blurr- Befo da Awbum
Nuclear Assault- Game Over
Sadus- Illusions
Helloween- Walls Of Jericho
Forced Entry - As above so below.
Artillery - By Inheritance
Coroner - Punishment for Decadence
Nevermore - The Politics Of Ecstasy
Anthrax - Among The Living
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Kreator - Extreme Aggressions
Toxik - Think This!
Fates Warning - No Exit

These were in no particular order and I kept it with one album per band. All different styles of thrash.

Also, before someone comments because I know someone will, Fates Warning's "No Exit" IS in fact thrash metal. It's just that it's their ONLY thrash album. And Helloween's "walls of jericho" is in fact thrash metal, or at least it's way fucking closer to thrash metal then it is to traditional metal or power metal.

I know how to recommend very similar bands, but that was not what I was trying to do.

At 7/5/11 10:06 PM, AniMetal wrote: Also, The Agonist are awful.

They're either decent metalcore, or really shittie melodic death metal. Either way, why are you listening to them?

Their first record was good. It was consistant and not a random mess of chugcore like the second. I'm with you on this one Ani.

At 7/5/11 10:25 PM, J-Cobyz wrote: Well, a friend of mine reccomended me their second album, so i listened to them and i like them. And as Anti-pie said, she is hot as fuck, so it pretty much works for me.

Yup! And that's why I like Katy Perry, Ke$ha, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and their awesome music.

Oh wait... Do I care about artistic integrity again? Sorry, I think I do.

Tits and music really shouldn't go together. Don't listen to an artist's music because you want to stuff your dick in her beaver... There really isn't any link between both anyway... Your appreciation of their personnal appearance really shouldn't influence your appreciation of the music...

In a way, these core bands are guilty of doing exactly the same as the pop industry... They use slutty girls with fake tits (like that slut from In This Moment) to sell more records. I think we should create a new genre classification for this kind of band... We'd call it something like Titscore.

By the way, I have seen that Alissa girl at a Threat Signal show in Montreal.

At 7/6/11 06:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'd say Iconoclast is a great effort. Maybe not their best work but it's easily a highlight for 2011 so far.

I heard completely opposite opinions on this record. I'm happy that someone from the Metal Hell shared his thoughts on it :)

I saw his recommendations as different flavours of thrash metal.

That was the point :)

On the other hand, Hammers of Misfortune are a win-win here. I love how John Cobbett is able to find highly talented female musicians for his band.

Oh shit! That's absolutely not what I meant. I think girls can play music very well. What I meant is that you shouldn't listen to the music FOR the tits. And you have to see the difference between actual female musicians and the sluts who sing in Metalcore bands.

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: I've never listened to the demos, are they anything special?

They are kind of cool. Dalnaki really likes them. The last demo album includes two tracks that would later be on Focus, but in a much more typical Thrash/Death Metal flavor.

...i've never once, in my entire life, heard anyone call Immortal "blackened thrash" or read any reviews claiming they were even thrashie.

Well, I guess some people should really learn the difference between Black Metal and Immortal... They are a Black Metal band, don't get me wrong, but their sound is so trashy, I thought it was a good idea to recommand them :)

In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

It's not a genre, I know, like Blackened Death Metal... It's just an adjective.

Dude, genres change names over time. Did you know that back in the 80's that bands like D.R.I. and Nuclear Assault were called Metalcore?

I didn't knew that.

Nevermore - The Politics Of Ecstasy

Power/Thrash Metal actually ;)

Anthrax - Among The Living

I forgot about Anthrax, good recommandation.

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

I think it is. The only band I know of that are currently in it though are Skeletonwitch.

At 7/6/11 03:11 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

I think it is. The only band I know of that are currently in it though are Skeletonwitch.

Are they even thrash? I always just thought they were painfully boring death metal.

At 7/6/11 02:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: I've never listened to the demos, are they anything special?

They are kind of cool. Dalnaki really likes them. The last demo album includes two tracks that would later be on Focus, but in a much more typical Thrash/Death Metal flavor.

Hmm... so what? Like really early Athiest style? Or more like early Obituary?

Actually, just give me a link or two and i'll figure out what they sounded like on my own. haha

...i've never once, in my entire life, heard anyone call Immortal "blackened thrash" or read any reviews claiming they were even thrashie.

Well, I guess some people should really learn the difference between Black Metal and Immortal... They are a Black Metal band, don't get me wrong, but their sound is so trashy, I thought it was a good idea to recommand them :)

I suppose. I need to listen to them sometime, but the fact that black metal fans(both casual and serious) jizz over them nonstop makes me feel they're probably vastly overrated. Maybe not though.

Nevermore - The Politics Of Ecstasy

Power/Thrash Metal actually ;)

Later Nevermore albums start having power metal elements, don't get me wrong, but the first three Nevermore albums are pure thrash metal. Politics Of Ecstasy being their second album.

R.I.P. Nevermore, 1991-2011

Anthrax - Among The Living

I forgot about Anthrax, good recommandation.

They're actually not very well liked, i've found. Most thrash metal fans find them too boring and/or too cheesy and most nonthrash metal fans find them to be too simple and predictable.

But regardless of popular opinion, I love Anthrax. And even though Among The Living is their most successful album it is my favorite as well.

At 7/6/11 03:33 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 7/6/11 03:11 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

I think it is. The only band I know of that are currently in it though are Skeletonwitch.

Are they even thrash? I always just thought they were painfully boring death metal.

If you think they're death metal I'm inclined to believe you've never listened to them.

At 7/6/11 04:00 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 03:33 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 7/6/11 03:11 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: In fact, blackened thrash isn't even a genre. hahaha

I think it is. The only band I know of that are currently in it though are Skeletonwitch.

Are they even thrash? I always just thought they were painfully boring death metal.

If you think they're death metal I'm inclined to believe you've never listened to them.

I listened to one of their songs on youtube once, was so bored that I never wanted to listen to anything else by them again.

Also I saw them on a festival once, they were old and gross looking. As for the music, it was very boring then too. It felt like they were just a worship band of the first three Cannibal Corpse albums.

At 7/6/11 04:07 PM, AniMetal wrote: It felt like they were just a worship band of the first three Cannibal Corpse albums.

Okay I was really struggling to see how you hear this as death metal rather than thrash, but comparing it to Cannibal Corpse? Now you've just completely boggled my mind.

At 7/6/11 03:33 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 7/6/11 02:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: I've never listened to the demos, are they anything special?

They are kind of cool. Dalnaki really likes them. The last demo album includes two tracks that would later be on Focus, but in a much more typical Thrash/Death Metal flavor.

Hmm... so what? Like really early Athiest style? Or more like early Obituary?

Actually, just give me a link or two and i'll figure out what they sounded like on my own. haha

This is Pleading For Preservation from the 1991 Demo Tape.

This is The Eagle Nature in it's demo version. I think it's not as good as the Focus version though.

Ok I just got the new Exhumed All Guts, No Glory which also came with their garbage daze re-regurgitated CD. Now I must listen.

At 7/6/11 05:15 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 04:07 PM, AniMetal wrote: It felt like they were just a worship band of the first three Cannibal Corpse albums.

Okay I was really struggling to see how you hear this as death metal rather than thrash, but comparing it to Cannibal Corpse? Now you've just completely boggled my mind.

Maybe I exaggerated when I compared it to CC, but this is definitely not thrash metal.

At 7/6/11 05:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: This is Pleading For Preservation from the 1991 Demo Tape.
This is The Eagle Nature in it's demo version. I think it's not as good as the Focus version though.

These songs are pretty badass, i'm downloading this demo as soon as possible.

At 7/6/11 07:42 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 7/6/11 05:15 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/6/11 04:07 PM, AniMetal wrote: It felt like they were just a worship band of the first three Cannibal Corpse albums.

Okay I was really struggling to see how you hear this as death metal rather than thrash, but comparing it to Cannibal Corpse? Now you've just completely boggled my mind.

Maybe I exaggerated when I compared it to CC, but this is definitely not thrash metal.

Take out the vocals and it seems like pretty standard thrashy stuff to me. It's even in standard tuning.

At 7/6/11 07:56 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Take out the vocals and it seems like pretty standard thrashy stuff to me. It's even in standard tuning.

if this IS thrash, then it's so shittie that it doesn't sound anything like thrash.

At 7/6/11 08:00 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 7/6/11 07:56 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Take out the vocals and it seems like pretty standard thrashy stuff to me. It's even in standard tuning.

if this IS thrash, then it's so shittie that it doesn't sound anything like thrash.

I should've quoted MA when this started.

Genre:
Black/Thrash Metal

At One with the Shadows Full-length 2004 4 (82%)
Beyond the Permafrost Full-length 2007 11 (88%)
Breathing the Fire Full-length 2009 7 (84%)

You are so very far off I don't even know what you are aiming for.

At 7/6/11 08:57 PM, SomaGuye wrote: I should've quoted MA when this started.

LOLOLOL METAL ARCHIVES.

Black/Thrash Metal

I don't hear anything black OR thrash about them.

At One with the Shadows Full-length 2004 4 (82%)
Beyond the Permafrost Full-length 2007 11 (88%)
Breathing the Fire Full-length 2009 7 (84%)

Wow, people have shittie taste.

At 7/6/11 05:48 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 7/5/11 10:16 PM, smeagol1 wrote: This snake had the hots for me.

You shaved?

Where have you been the last year?

So I like Wolves in the Throne Room now

I'm not usually one for 10 minute songs but I guess when it's something as aggressive as metal it's easier to stay engaged, especially black metal.

At 7/6/11 10:23 AM, DeIirium wrote: Iron Maiden was the first concert I went to, 3 years ago. I don't really like how they always just play all their boring, most popular songs.

I'm guessing you're referring to songs such as The Number of the Beast, Run to the Hills, etc. Personally I don't want any Maiden song to be mandatory for their setlist since they have so many great songs and many of them hardly get any play due to the more popular songs taking up spots. I believe they've left out The Trooper on many setlists so why not do the same for their other popular songs?

At 7/6/11 02:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/6/11 06:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'd say Iconoclast is a great effort. Maybe not their best work but it's easily a highlight for 2011 so far.

I heard completely opposite opinions on this record. I'm happy that someone from the Metal Hell shared his thoughts on it :)

I thought there was a fair amount of positive feedback for it already.

On the other hand, Hammers of Misfortune are a win-win here. I love how John Cobbett is able to find highly talented female musicians for his band.

Oh shit! That's absolutely not what I meant. I think girls can play music very well. What I meant is that you shouldn't listen to the music FOR the tits. And you have to see the difference between actual female musicians and the sluts who sing in Metalcore bands.

I know what you mean but I was saying Hammers of Misfortune has some good looking musicians so it really is a win-win situation for them. Of course, if their music sucked I wouldn't even bother with them but that's not so.

At 7/6/11 10:56 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Black/Thrash Metal

I don't hear anything black OR thrash about them.

THen you are either clearly fucking deaf or have no idea what they sound like you stupid cunt.

At 7/7/11 09:02 AM, SomaGuye wrote: you stupid cunt.

Let's not resort to such immature insults.

At 7/5/11 02:23 AM, smeagol1 wrote: Meh, need some new death metal suggestions, I feel like I have listened to everything known to the regular metal head.

Death
Disincarnate
Atheist
Demilich
Obscura
Azure Emote
Fleshgod Apocalypse
Akercocke
Edge of Sanity
Cynic

At 7/6/11 12:54 AM, AniMetal wrote: Also, she looks like a 30 year old scene chick. What's hot at all about that?

What's wrong with 30 year olds? I've fucked a 34 year old. Don't knock it, mang.

Also, I'd definitely hit that.

Their first three albums are epic shit. I'm going to check out some of their later albums as soon as I have the time. :)

I have everything from Led Zeppelin I to Physical Graffiti. They were an awesome band.

At 7/6/11 01:51 AM, Gobblemeister wrote: Their numbered albums are the best

Physical Graffiti is a good one too, I love Trampled Under Foot so much

Houses of the Holy is also good.

At 7/6/11 10:45 AM, AniMetal wrote: Some of my favorite thrash metal albums:

Coroner - Punishment for Decadence
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
Kreator - Extreme Aggressions

I've heard a lot of the albums you listed, and they're good, but these 3 here, I second so hard. I also strongly recommend Coroner's albums, no More Color and Mental Vortex. They're so damn good. And for Megadeth, I'd also strongly recommend Peace Sells, But Who's Buying.

I also second the Morbid Saint album very much. so awesome. And some others

Annihilator - Alice in Hell
Annihilator - Never, Neverland
Mekong Delta - Dances of Death
Disaster - Criaturas del Mal

Also, I think Skeltonwitch is pretty good. no need to insist on continuing to shit on people's taste after you've clearly established your position.

At 7/7/11 09:06 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 7/7/11 09:02 AM, SomaGuye wrote: you stupid cunt.

Let's not resort to such immature insults.

Greatest apologies, I will come up with some more high brow ones.

You illicit swine.

At 7/7/11 09:38 AM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 7/7/11 09:06 AM, Bahamut wrote:

You illicit swine.

someones butt hurt.

At 7/6/11 10:56 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Black/Thrash Metal

I don't hear anything black OR thrash about them.

Well... they are Thrash Metal... I listenned to some of their tracks, and I can see why people classify them as Thrash Metal. As for Black Metal... I can't say I really approove... but they do abuse of the tremolo picking riffs....

At 7/7/11 02:38 AM, Gobblemeister wrote: So I like Wolves in the Throne Room now

Black Cascade is my favorite album by them :)

I'm not usually one for 10 minute songs but I guess when it's something as aggressive as metal it's easier to stay engaged, especially black metal.

Ahrimanic Trance is a true masterpiece. It's a long track, but it's just perfect. This one band really does master dark atmospheres and black metal riffing.

At 7/7/11 07:16 AM, Bahamut wrote:

I thought there was a fair amount of positive feedback for it already.

I bought the Deluxe Edition of Iconoclast today :)

I just started listenning to the album. So right now... I'm three tracks into it. The opener is kind of so-so... They tried too hard to be prog with this one, but the riffs really don't seem to bring much to the progression. I can't help but think that most of the riffs would have fitted better in shorter tracks.

End Of Innocence is fucking awesome !!!

And the third track is ok, I found nothing special during my first listen.

I know what you mean but I was saying Hammers of Misfortune has some good looking musicians so it really is a win-win situation for them. Of course, if their music sucked I wouldn't even bother with them but that's not so.

Alright. That's another band I really should check then :P

Skeletonwitch is awesome. There.

At 7/7/11 05:44 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/7/11 02:38 AM, Gobblemeister wrote: So I like Wolves in the Throne Room now

Black Cascade is my favorite album by them :)

I'm not usually one for 10 minute songs but I guess when it's something as aggressive as metal it's easier to stay engaged, especially black metal.

Ahrimanic Trance is a true masterpiece. It's a long track, but it's just perfect. This one band really does master dark atmospheres and black metal riffing.

Ahrimanic bloody Trance buddy if you think that's the best they have to offer you need to hear the Malevolent Grain EP. It has their best song, A Looming Resonance. Almost 15 minutes of beautifully haunting melancholia, I can honestly say it's the most beautiful song I've ever heard. If only the second track Hate Crystal was better I would probably hold it as my highest rated release of any band ever.

At 7/7/11 09:08 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Ahrimanic bloody Trance buddy if you think that's the best they have to offer you need to hear the Malevolent Grain EP. It has their best song, A Looming Resonance. Almost 15 minutes of beautifully haunting melancholia, I can honestly say it's the most beautiful song I've ever heard. If only the second track Hate Crystal was better I would probably hold it as my highest rated release of any band ever.

That EP is still two tracks long...

I'll listen to it anyway and I'll tell you what I think about it :)

Om makes me go

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)