Agalloch are awesome, but they're NOT creative. Anyone who says they are is gravely mislead.

Empyrium is Agalloch, if Agalloch was original.

That being said, I still love Agalloch for the atmospheres it puts me in.

At 6/15/11 10:15 PM, DeIirium wrote: Everything that ED says about metal archives is 100% true.

Sad but true.

At 6/15/11 09:59 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 6/14/11 01:09 AM, AniMetal wrote: Fucking Priest and Iced Earth, writing their blandest music when they had their best singer. :'(

"Tell them that Tim Owens is a better singer than Matt Barlow ever was."

...but it's true.

At 6/15/11 10:18 PM, AniMetal wrote: Agalloch are awesome, but they're NOT creative. Anyone who says they are is gravely mislead.

Empyrium is Agalloch, if Agalloch was original.

That being said, I still love Agalloch for the atmospheres it puts me in.

I think of them like a drone sort of band. Puts me to sleep.

At 6/15/11 10:27 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

At 6/15/11 10:18 PM, AniMetal wrote: Agalloch are awesome, but they're NOT creative. Anyone who says they are is gravely mislead.

Empyrium is Agalloch, if Agalloch was original.

That being said, I still love Agalloch for the atmospheres it puts me in.

I think of them like a drone sort of band. Puts me to sleep.

You better watch what you say; you don't want to give duff an aneurysm

At 6/15/11 10:29 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/15/11 10:27 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

At 6/15/11 10:18 PM, AniMetal wrote: Agalloch are awesome, but they're NOT creative. Anyone who says they are is gravely mislead.

Empyrium is Agalloch, if Agalloch was original.

That being said, I still love Agalloch for the atmospheres it puts me in.

I think of them like a drone sort of band. Puts me to sleep.

You better watch what you say; you don't want to give duff an aneurysm

Ha, I can't help it if I find them boring.

He can listen to whatever he wants though. Doesn't bother me.

At 6/15/11 10:37 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Ha, I can't help it if I find them boring.

He can listen to whatever he wants though. Doesn't bother me.

CAREFUL, YOU'RE GOING TO RIP HIS STOMACH LINING IF YOU SAY ANOTHER WORD. :O

At 6/15/11 10:38 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/15/11 10:37 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Ha, I can't help it if I find them boring.

He can listen to whatever he wants though. Doesn't bother me.

CAREFUL, YOU'RE GOING TO RIP HIS STOMACH LINING IF YOU SAY ANOTHER WORD. :O

Alright then, In other news, I finished some riffing on power tab however, I have no idea how to upload it. I think it sounds pretty decent. Damn powertab

At 6/15/11 09:23 PM, Zodir wrote:

At 6/15/11 05:47 PM, Haggard wrote:
Besides, who wants to see Tryptikon or Down anyway? :P

Actually Triptykon kick all sorts of ass. One of the best metal albums of last year.

I listened to some Triptykon songs on their myspace site and I thought they sucked. I've never been a fan of Tom G. Warrior and I think I never will be. :/

At 6/15/11 12:16 PM, AniMetal wrote: I always thought it was unnecessary though. While all his solo albums are good, none of them particularly stand out in my memory besides Ki and Ocean Machine. Ocean Machine being hated by most devy fans. hahaha

I thought Ocean Machine was meant to be one of his most popular albums. Am I missing something here?

At 6/15/11 10:15 PM, DeIirium wrote: Everything that ED says about metal archives is 100% true.

One of my favourite parts of the article is the MA rating system.

At 6/16/11 07:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: I thought Ocean Machine was meant to be one of his most popular albums. Am I missing something here?

Really? Most devin townsend fans I meet absolutely hate that album because "it isn't metal enough", "the riffs are recycled", "the chorus's are too poppy" and "there's no audible bass"

Personally, I think it's his best solo album though. hahaha

I got more albums.

Symphony X - Iconoclast (still haven't listened)
Boris - Heavy Rocks II (cool album)
Glowsun - the Sundering (stoner stuff)
and a bunch of Faith no More

RV by Faith no More sounds like the underwater theme from Super Mario Brothers.

Agalloch is pretty unique. I also think they're better than all the other bands that you guys said were similar. And I don't think they're very similar to a lot of them.

At 6/16/11 07:30 AM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/16/11 07:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: I thought Ocean Machine was meant to be one of his most popular albums. Am I missing something here?

Really? Most devin townsend fans I meet absolutely hate that album because "it isn't metal enough", "the riffs are recycled", "the chorus's are too poppy" and "there's no audible bass"

Personally, I think it's his best solo album though. hahaha

Actually, from the people I hang out with who like Devin think it's one of his best. I agree. Maybe it is just certain groups of Devvy fans? Who knows. My favorite solo album is probably Synchestra though, or maybe Terria.

At 6/15/11 01:57 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

Well, let me see your riff, bro

Aight bro gimme some time I'll whip together a whole song for ya. Might be ready mid July time.

Lol I never thought this would come in handy.

Gothic-Doomcoregaze-step

On a side note, I just listened to The New Black by Strapping Young Lad. Fantastic.

HAHAA i just registed and wow, this is interesting already.... lol

At 6/16/11 03:06 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: So Duke Nukem Forever didn't live up to the hype.

Makes me wonder how Wintersun's new album is going to turn out.

Don't speak such Blasphemy.

At 6/16/11 08:53 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Agalloch is pretty unique. I also think they're better than all the other bands that you guys said were similar. And I don't think they're very similar to a lot of them.

This... and reading his entire post... I realise how much he isn't understand what Agalloch are or what they are trying to do. Even the chord patterns he described is not always used. What you did Spork... is that you picked up one of their albums, tried to find shit to complain about, and like all the people who are trying to be dickheads... you succeeded.

You say they have very repetitive parts... Well... of course they do, they are heavily influenced by Black Metal and Post-Rock. Artists who play these two genres of music, often focus on the atmosphere created by a riff, and certainly not about their ability to sweep-pick through their scales.

And like Sense said, Agalloch are not very similar to the other artists you have listed "as similar artists". Like Opeth, it's a band I never got into. And even now, I still can't figure why people say Opeth and Agalloch are similar... Oh! Yes! Because of the accoustis interludes and long atmospheric tracks. Oh well... that's where the similarity ends. Other then that... Agalloch are nothing like Opeth...

And no... Ani... I'm not angry... I actually don't give a shit... If he wants to keep missing on one of the most awesome bands ever, it's not my problem :)

At 6/16/11 05:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And no... Ani... I'm not angry... I actually don't give a shit... If he wants to keep missing on one of the most awesome bands ever, it's not my problem :)

I was joking, because I had the impression you were going to argue back obviously I was proven wrong...

Oh wait. ;)

But seriously, EVERYONE compares Opeth to every other death/black metal band that uses both clean vocals and harsh vocals as well as writes 7+ minute long songs. :P

At 6/16/11 05:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/16/11 08:53 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Agalloch is pretty unique. I also think they're better than all the other bands that you guys said were similar. And I don't think they're very similar to a lot of them.

This... and reading his entire post... I realise how much he isn't understand what Agalloch are or what they are trying to do.

I wasn't aware you had such a personal relationship with agalloch.

Even the chord patterns he described is not always used.

Yes, yes it was most of the time.

What you did Spork... is that you picked up one of their albums, tried to find shit to complain about, and like all the people who are trying to be dickheads... you succeeded.

I'm a dickhead because I don't like agalloch, herp. No, my musical tastes changed. I used to like agalloch, but then I started to realize how bland and uninspired they are.

You say they have very repetitive parts... Well... of course they do, they are heavily influenced by Black Metal and Post-Rock. Artists who play these two genres of music, often focus on the atmosphere created by a riff, and certainly not about their ability to sweep-pick through their scales.

Of course, but other black metal artists don't repeat a riff to the point where you want to kill yourself.
And I wasn't aware you were such a musician or that you had such an extensive knowledge of musical theory.

And like Sense said, Agalloch are not very similar to the other artists you have listed "as similar artists". Like Opeth, it's a band I never got into. And even now, I still can't figure why people say Opeth and Agalloch are similar... Oh! Yes! Because of the accoustis interludes and long atmospheric tracks. Oh well... that's where the similarity ends. Other then that... Agalloch are nothing like Opeth...

You're right they are different. Slightly different. In the fact that opeth can actually write coherent songs and riffs. And as I pointed out, opeth is deathmetal. And besides, the acoustic interludes and atmosphere is agalloch. Take those two things away and agalloch is non existent. So, technically you're working against yourself.

And no... Ani... I'm not angry... I actually don't give a shit... If he wants to keep missing on one of the most awesome bands ever, it's not my problem :)

Just how I feel about you listening to them. I don't care if you want to listen to shit. Just don't turn the shit into something its not.

Actually allow me to elaborate on that last part.

Just as you think that agalloch is actually good for some reason, I think they're a bunch of untalented musicians. Neither of us are wrong, really. This is where the opinion and taste comes in. Just don't try and act like Agalloch is some revolutionary, rich, deep, musical band. They are unique however, because there is only one agalloch, much like there is only one Brokencyde.

At 6/16/11 08:58 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I'm a dickhead because I don't like agalloch, herp. No, my musical tastes changed. I used to like agalloch, but then I started to realize how bland and uninspired they are.

Allow me to lol. I know a shitload of music. I know a shitload about musical theory, song strucutres, genres mixing, exploration and creativity. I know a hundred different bands, and I can tell you that Agalloch are anything but uninspired. All of their albums are different. All of their albums mix different musical genres. All of their riffs are unique and inspired. If you want to whine on the fact that they use some "generic" patterns for their accoustic riffs, then do it. But you'll have to actually find real arguments to proove me that they are not good. Cause so far, you are doing an awful job.

Of course, but other black metal artists don't repeat a riff to the point where you want to kill yourself.

It's funny how you don't know shit about Depressive and Atmospheric Black Metal. Go listen to some Austere, then come back and say the same thing you just said.

And I wasn't aware you were such a musician or that you had such an extensive knowledge of musical theory.

What's that? Some kind of Ad Hominem in the middle of your post? Great :)

You're right they are different. Slightly different. In the fact that opeth can actually write coherent songs and riffs. And as I pointed out, opeth is deathmetal. And besides, the acoustic interludes and atmosphere is agalloch. Take those two things away and agalloch is non existent. So, technically you're working against yourself.

You obviously need to listen to The Painted Grey, Hallways Of Enchanted Ebony and This Old Cabin. You suck if you think that the accoustic interludes are what makes Agalloch what they are. And talking about atmospheres, you do realise that Agalloch are one of the only bands who managed to recreate an ambiance similar to what Ulver created with Bergtatt. I remember that some membres from the Hell approoved when I last mentionned this.

Just how I feel about you listening to them. I don't care if you want to listen to shit. Just don't turn the shit into something its not.

That's just fucking silly. You are going on some djihad against Agalloch, and you won't win this. They are one of the most creative bands of the modern metal scene. You can easily recognize an Agalloch riff when you ear one. Why? Because they have a lot of personnality. They are UNIQUE, for Christ sake! And don't tell me that "they are boring" bullshit. They play slow tracks, fast tracks, middle paced tracks, tracks with accoustic guitars, tracks with doom metal riffs, tracks with black metal riffs, tracks with post-rock riffs, neofolk tracks, a great drummer (the best I ever saw on a live show), great vocals (arshes vocals, clean vocals, great female guest vocalist), awesome lyrical themes...

What else do you fucking want?

From this point on, if you don't like them and can't proove they are objectively just copying other bands and playing cheap chord patterns then, it's just your opinion if you don't like them. You can't proove they are not good, cause it's just not true.

Oh... I forgot, "talent and skills is subjective". It is, seriously. If I really like it when my 1 year old guy throws paint randomly around on a carton board, then he might have just created the most beautiful piece of art ever !!!

Have a great night :)

Aghora - Mind's Reality

At 6/16/11 10:48 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/16/11 08:58 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I'm a dickhead because I don't like agalloch, herp. No, my musical tastes changed. I used to like agalloch, but then I started to realize how bland and uninspired they are.

Allow me to lol. I know a shitload of music. I know a shitload about musical theory, song strucutres, genres mixing, exploration and creativity. I know a hundred different bands, and I can tell you that Agalloch are anything but uninspired. All of their albums are different. All of their albums mix different musical genres. All of their riffs are unique and inspired. If you want to whine on the fact that they use some "generic" patterns for their accoustic riffs, then do it. But you'll have to actually find real arguments to proove me that they are not good. Cause so far, you are doing an awful job.

Kay, apparently you missed the part where I said their ideas are cool, they just can't express themselves decently. And have you actually learned musical theory though? I don't mean listening to a song so many times you memorize the structure. And you've done a pretty terrible job making an actual argument. Your fanboy is showing.

Of course, but other black metal artists don't repeat a riff to the point where you want to kill yourself.

It's funny how you don't know shit about Depressive and Atmospheric Black Metal. Go listen to some Austere, then come back and say the same thing you just said.

One band huh? Wow, I'm speechless. I know, I'll list mayhem and try and prove my point there. There is one band that obviously represents all black metal.

Why don't I just do you a favor and mention burzum and ulver too. So you don't have to.

And I wasn't aware you were such a musician or that you had such an extensive knowledge of musical theory.

What's that? Some kind of Ad Hominem in the middle of your post? Great :)

No, just illustrating that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

You're right they are different. Slightly different. In the fact that opeth can actually write coherent songs and riffs. And as I pointed out, opeth is deathmetal. And besides, the acoustic interludes and atmosphere is agalloch. Take those two things away and agalloch is non existent. So, technically you're working against yourself.

You obviously need to listen to The Painted Grey, Hallways Of Enchanted Ebony and This Old Cabin. You suck if you think that the accoustic interludes are what makes Agalloch what they are. And talking about atmospheres, you do realise that Agalloch are one of the only bands who managed to recreate an ambiance similar to what Ulver created with Bergtatt. I remember that some membres from the Hell approoved when I last mentionned this.

And I have listened to all of agalloch's music. They recreated? Oh wow. Whatever happened to that whole unique thing? And so what if other members agree? I could get people to agree with me. You aren't the voice of metal.

Just how I feel about you listening to them. I don't care if you want to listen to shit. Just don't turn the shit into something its not.

That's just fucking silly. You are going on some djihad against Agalloch, and you won't win this. They are one of the most creative bands of the modern metal scene. You can easily recognize an Agalloch riff when you ear one. Why? Because they have a lot of personnality. They are UNIQUE, for Christ sake! And don't tell me that "they are boring" bullshit. They play slow tracks, fast tracks, middle paced tracks, tracks with accoustic guitars, tracks with doom metal riffs, tracks with black metal riffs, tracks with post-rock riffs,

And every other band on earth is creative too. Because there is only one of them. Each individual member brings their own personal sound to the music. So even amon amarth is creative. And brokencyde and every. other. band.

neofolk tracks,

Haha, no.

a great drummer (the best I ever saw on a live show),

You haven't been to many shows then.

great vocals (arshes vocals, clean vocals, great female guest vocalist), awesome lyrical themes...

This is an opinion. You can't honestly say they have great vocals and think that its true or factual. And if you do, then you seriously need to step off.

From this point on, if you don't like them and can't proove they are objectively just copying other bands and playing cheap chord patterns then, it's just your opinion if you don't like them. You can't proove they are not good, cause it's just not true.

Yeah, my opinion is obviously wrong. Get it through your dense fucking skull, that its your opinion that agalloch is good.

Oh... I forgot, "talent and skills is subjective". It is, seriously. If I really like it when my 1 year old guy throws paint randomly around on a carton board, then he might have just created the most beautiful piece of art ever !!!

Yeah, to you. But you've been trying to say that agalloch is ultimately good and anybody who disagrees is wrong.

Have a great night :)

This is why I don't fucking come here anymore. Because of pricks like you.

This is what you do with every god damn band you like. Whenever someone doesn't like a band you do, you go on a bitch fit. But then you bash every other band you don't like. Like a few pages back with AA.

I decided to spend some time looking up this little gem that I saw a while back, courtesy of America's Got Talent. When I saw that the first time, I felt pretty annoyed, but whatever. It's not like anything but scene music is allowed on that or any other shows of the kind in my country.

Also, I feel a bit late in saying this, but what's everybody's opinion of the new Týr album? I thought that while a few of the guitar riffs sounded a bit synthesized, it was a pretty good album.

At 6/16/11 11:18 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Kay, apparently you missed the part where I said their ideas are cool, they just can't express themselves decently. And have you actually learned musical theory though? I don't mean listening to a song so many times you memorize the structure. And you've done a pretty terrible job making an actual argument. Your fanboy is showing.

Saying I'm a fanboy just illustrates that you are trying to fight me, and not have an argument. My personnal appreciation of their music is obvious. I can't pretend to be objective when talking about arts, because arts are deeply in touch with emotions. So yes, I'm a big fan of Agalloch, but you are not objective either. You already claimed that you don't like them. Don't accuse me of doing things you also do.

I also don't care about the part where you said they had cool ideas, cause you just said that to sound finely-shaded (is it the good translation?) even though you don't like them.

I do know musical theory yes. Maybe not as much as a musician though.

One band huh? Wow, I'm speechless. I know, I'll list mayhem and try and prove my point there. There is one band that obviously represents all black metal.

I'm actually tired of your childish behavior. This is a fucking forum. We are not talking in real time, and your silly statement is fucking bland, because I can easily name other bands.

Here's a list:

Austere
Forteresse
Enslaved
Gallowbraid
Monarque
Neige et Noirceur
Primordial
Sui Caedere
Taake
Wolves In The Throne Room
Xastur

Good job being a dick, by the way.

Why don't I just do you a favor and mention burzum and ulver too. So you don't have to.

Oh, and Burzum and Ulver.

No, just illustrating that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

How old are you? Cause you are not prooving me wrong. You just keep attacking me... like if your mockery was actually going to proove anything.

And I have listened to all of agalloch's music. They recreated? Oh wow. Whatever happened to that whole unique thing? And so what if other members agree? I could get people to agree with me. You aren't the voice of metal.

Where's the argument in there?

Haha, no.

Stop whinning. Neofolk is an actual genre. And if you don't like the name, then call it Achabagada music. I don't give a fuck, they are influenced by that.

You haven't been to many shows then.

My parents do not buy me a life. But that's all the bands I saw (and that I like... cause I left out some bands I saw and didn't like... like Mutiny Within)

Agalloch
Musk Ox
Symphony X
Kalmah
Abigail Williams
Les Cowboys Fringants (2)
Keith Jarreth, Jack DeJohnette, Gary Peacock
Ultra Vomit
All That Remains (2)
Gojira
Chimaira
Beast
In Flames
Arch Enemy
Machine Head
Stratovarius
Children Of Bodom
Amon Amarth
Threat Signal (2)
Dark Tranquillity

This is an opinion. You can't honestly say they have great vocals and think that its true or factual. And if you do, then you seriously need to step off.

So if I can't argue on that, than you can't either.

Yeah, my opinion is obviously wrong. Get it through your dense fucking skull, that its your opinion that agalloch is good.

Yes, and Ke$ha and Mozart are equally talented, because some kiddies with no musical understanding actually dig going looking sluts who sing with auto-tune.

Yeah, to you. But you've been trying to say that agalloch is ultimately good and anybody who disagrees is wrong.

No. I said they are good. They are obviously talented. I can name at least 100 artists that I don't like, but that I respect for what they bring to music. Why? Because they are obviously TALENTED. Just name me bands if you want to. I'll tell you what I think. I'll tell you if I like them, if I don't like them, and if I respect what they do as musicians.

This is what you do with every god damn band you like. Whenever someone doesn't like a band you do, you go on a bitch fit. But then you bash every other band you don't like. Like a few pages back with AA.

Hey, I actually listen to Amon Amarth. I just think they are pretty "generic" and that they don't stand out that much. They are an enjoyable band. But I don't like their stuff that much.

And btw, you are the one who started all this shit on Agalloch...

At 6/17/11 12:30 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 6/16/11 11:18 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: Kay, apparently you missed the part where I said their ideas are cool, they just can't express themselves decently. And have you actually learned musical theory though? I don't mean listening to a song so many times you memorize the structure. And you've done a pretty terrible job making an actual argument. Your fanboy is showing.

Saying I'm a fanboy just illustrates that you are trying to fight me, and not have an argument. My personnal appreciation of their music is obvious. I can't pretend to be objective when talking about arts, because arts are deeply in touch with emotions. So yes, I'm a big fan of Agalloch, but you are not objective either. You already claimed that you don't like them. Don't accuse me of doing things you also do.

Christ, I know I'm not being objective.

I also don't care about the part where you said they had cool ideas, cause you just said that to sound finely-shaded (is it the good translation?) even though you don't like them.

I do know musical theory yes. Maybe not as much as a musician though.

And when I said this, I meant it in a practical way. As in, there are pop artists who can take the easiest progression and turn it into a song in no time. Agalloch does this. When I say they are un talented I mean they take the easy way. I've written acoustic medleys near identical to agalloch's in minutes. It's not hard. Take progression, play in G, move up/down a whole step. Possible diminish. And this wouldn't even bother me if they changed it up to a noticeable difference, but they don't.

One band huh? Wow, I'm speechless. I know, I'll list mayhem and try and prove my point there. There is one band that obviously represents all black metal.

I'm actually tired of your childish behavior. This is a fucking forum. We are not talking in real time, and your silly statement is fucking bland, because I can easily name other bands.

Here's a list:

Austere
Forteresse
Enslaved
Gallowbraid
Monarque
Neige et Noirceur
Primordial
Sui Caedere
Taake
Wolves In The Throne Room
Xastur

And now I can list some ridiculously long list of black metal bands that don't drag on and on.

Good job being a dick, by the way.

You sir, are the paragon of non dick behavior.

No, just illustrating that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

How old are you? Cause you are not prooving me wrong. You just keep attacking me... like if your mockery was actually going to proove anything.

Wait, my mockery won't prove anything but then you question my age as such? Hmmmm.

And I have listened to all of agalloch's music. They recreated? Oh wow. Whatever happened to that whole unique thing? And so what if other members agree? I could get people to agree with me. You aren't the voice of metal.

Where's the argument in there?

The whole unique thing. Oh they recreated another band's sound! But slightly different! That doesn't scream unique to me. Or at least not in the way I'm thinking.

Haha, no.

Stop whinning. Neofolk is an actual genre. And if you don't like the name, then call it Achabagada music. I don't give a fuck, they are influenced by that.

Maybe it is a real genre, but they don't play it. If there is one thing I know, it's my folk.

My parents do not buy me a life. But that's all the bands I saw (and that I like... cause I left out some bands I saw and didn't like... like Mutiny Within)

Agalloch
Musk Ox
Symphony X
Kalmah
Abigail Williams
Les Cowboys Fringants (2)
Keith Jarreth, Jack DeJohnette, Gary Peacock
Ultra Vomit
All That Remains (2)
Gojira
Chimaira
Beast
In Flames
Arch Enemy
Machine Head
Stratovarius
Children Of Bodom
Amon Amarth
Threat Signal (2)
Dark Tranquillity

I don't know how you think agalloch's drummer is best then.

This is an opinion. You can't honestly say they have great vocals and think that its true or factual. And if you do, then you seriously need to step off.

So if I can't argue on that, than you can't either.

Indeed I can not.

Yeah, my opinion is obviously wrong. Get it through your dense fucking skull, that its your opinion that agalloch is good.

Yes, and Ke$ha and Mozart are equally talented, because some kiddies with no musical understanding actually dig going looking sluts who sing with auto-tune.

Point here is?

No. I said they are good. They are obviously talented. I can name at least 100 artists that I don't like, but that I respect for what they bring to music. Why? Because they are obviously TALENTED. Just name me bands if you want to. I'll tell you what I think. I'll tell you if I like them, if I don't like them, and if I respect what they do as musicians.

If they are talented they sure do hide it with their constant refusal to rise above musical mediocrity.

Anyway listen to Funeral, skepticism, thergothon, earth, ogre if you don't already, I don't think I should need to say candlemass, and corrupted.

Hey, I actually listen to Amon Amarth. I just think they are pretty "generic" and that they don't stand out that much. They are an enjoyable band. But I don't like their stuff that much.

Almost exactly how I feel about agalloch.

At 6/17/11 01:13 AM, TheSporkLord wrote: And when I said this, I meant it in a practical way. As in, there are pop artists who can take the easiest progression and turn it into a song in no time. Agalloch does this. When I say they are un talented I mean they take the easy way. I've written acoustic medleys near identical to agalloch's in minutes. It's not hard. Take progression, play in G, move up/down a whole step. Possible diminish. And this wouldn't even bother me if they changed it up to a noticeable difference, but they don't.

They may not write really complex acoustic parts, but you focus way too much on these parts, which are not central in Agalloch's music. They do exist, but there is far more to Agalloch then acoustic interludes.

Plus, you really need to tell me how you can compare pop artists to Agalloch. I'll take one artist... like Avril Lavigne... You listen to the song, and before it's over, you can tell when the chorus will come back, what the intensity will go up and when it will go down... Predictable and uncreative as fuck. Now... tell me how Limbs, Falling Snow, Melancholy Spirit, This Old Cabin or Black Lake Niðstång are all following the same writting pattern. Seriously...

And now I can list some ridiculously long list of black metal bands that don't drag on and on.

They make some repetitive and riffs that drag on. And it's all right. Wolves In The Throne Room can have 10 minutes long tracks, with 4 main riffs in there. And it's not boring.

Wait, my mockery won't prove anything but then you question my age as such? Hmmmm.

Cause mockery and personnal insults are really high school level arguing...

The whole unique thing. Oh they recreated another band's sound! But slightly different! That doesn't scream unique to me. Or at least not in the way I'm thinking.

But they are not like Opeth. Sense said the same... They are not that similar.

Maybe it is a real genre, but they don't play it. If there is one thing I know, it's my folk.

I've seen them live once... One of the opening bands was Musk Ox. Isn't this Neofolk? If it's not, then I'm screwed...

I don't know how you think agalloch's drummer is best then.

Maybe not best. Jack DeJohnette was unbelievable! And Abigail Williams had a great drummer back when I saw them.

Point here is?

Some artists are actually better because there is artistic value in their music. One creates, the other feeds on other people's success and the capitalist musical industry of the USA. One targets music at music fans, the other targets it's music at those who can't think for themselves.

If they are talented they sure do hide it with their constant refusal to rise above musical mediocrity.

So cool.

Your silly argument aside, I really love the new Symphony X album. I've been listening to it all night!

The only song on it I don't like is Dehumanized, and at least that is catchy!

At 6/16/11 03:06 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Makes me wonder how Wintersun's new album is going to turn out.

I suppose the song they've played recently is good.

At 6/17/11 06:50 AM, AniMetal wrote: Your silly argument aside, I really love the new Symphony X album. I've been listening to it all night!

The samples alone sound really good. I hope this will be a highlight for 2011. I should get it tomorrow along with the new Rhapsody album.

At 6/17/11 01:37 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I've seen them live once... One of the opening bands was Musk Ox. Isn't this Neofolk? If it's not, then I'm screwed...

You're kinda screwed here. I'm pretty sure Neofolk is a genre based on combining folk with other greatly contrasting genres, or being "dark" in comparison to other folk. As much as I love Musk Ox, they don't sound too different than the relaxation music in a vacation lodge. I'm pretty sure they just count as folk. When I think of Neofolk, I think of bands such as Nest, Hexvessel, and Orplid. Maybe Agalloch counts, but I'm not sure.

Anyone else looking forward to Decapitated's new album Carnival is Forever?

Metal-ABC: G - Gotthard

At 6/17/11 07:11 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 6/16/11 03:06 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: Makes me wonder how Wintersun's new album is going to turn out.

I suppose the song they've played recently is good.

Don't like it too much. But on the other hand, I don't like Wintersun too much, so no surprises here, lol.

Got Symphony X's new album as well as the new release by Rhapsody. Only got to listening to Iconoclast and so far it's fantastic.

At 6/17/11 02:38 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 6/17/11 07:11 AM, Bahamut wrote: I suppose the song they've played recently is good.

Don't like it too much.

WHAT?!

But on the other hand, I don't like Wintersun too much, so no surprises here, lol.

Oh, I suppose I can let you off. As a Wintersun fan, I'd say the new song is good.

At 6/17/11 08:44 PM, batman64 wrote: like the Metal you like, it's as simple as that.
and if others do not share your view, who really cares?

Reading this post just makes me think we should be easy going on everyone else but we've held these policies for so long now and have a specific club for nu metal and metalcore as a result.