At 4/3/11 05:00 AM, Xarnor wrote:
I don't know. It's almost starting to seem to me that you guys are just hating on the new sound. Clean production results in each individual instrument being heard more distinctly, enriching the overall musical experience. But maybe for you guys, it's just not the same as what you've already taken a liking to, so you don't like it. Not saying it's true, only that it's possible.
I'm not a lot older than you. And like a lot of the guys in the Metal Hell, I got into Metal by listenning to Slipknot, Children Of Bodom, Kalmah, Edguy, Bullet For My Valentine and other popular bands like these. I didn't grew up with the older bands I have listed (while a lot of these bands are not old).
I agree that over-production is bad. I might just have a different idea of what over-production is.
Tell me which bands are over-produced in your opinion.
My problem with this, is that a lot of the older bands I've heard sound the same! Obviously I haven't even come close to listening to a fraction of all the bands that put out albums before I was born, but I doubt you guys have listened to every single new band that has come out with albums post 2000. It just seems to me like you accuse all modern bands of sounding the same, when a lot of older bands have the same problem. I actually think that the mid to late 90's was the best time for music as far as production goes. A lot of my favorite albums were released during that time.
I never accused all modern metal bands of sounding the same. No, the bands of today are not all guilty of over-producing their music, but it's a real tendency in modern music. But the older bands do not share all the same production, that is just not true. You could easily compare the album Bergtatt and Nattens Madrigal by the band Ulver, and even if it's the same band for both releases, the production is completely different.
Talking about the 90's, both Ponos and I have listed bands and albums from this decade. Including Focus by Cynic and None So Vile by Cryptopsy.
I respect how much thought you guys put into this. I tend to just listen to what sounds good and enjoy it because it sounds good, but it seems like you have some deeper reasons for enjoying music.
I'm absolutely not trying to put you down. You are a very intelligent guy, at least when it comes to listenning to music (can't really say I know you a lot :P). You are showing interest in music, and looking at it from a lot of different angles. The production is one of them. And remember I never said that today's production is bad. Remember that I have listed The Black One, by Sunn O))) in my albums with favorite guitar tone, along with Bongripper's latest album and some Electric Wizard. All these albums were released in the 2000.
I do still disagree on some point though. Personally, I enjoy the production of Dimmu's Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia a lot, which from what I've heard, not a single metalhead likes. I just find PEM exciting to listen to. I simply can't comprehend how anyone could say that Bergtatt has one of the best quality productions in metal though. There must be reasons for it that are unknown or unexplained.
I love the ambience to Bergtatt. Never have I heard any other guitar tone and production with such uniqueness and personnality. When talking about Bergtatt I am usually refering to Troldskog Faren Vild, which is one of my all time favorite tracks. Right when the drums kick in, I feel a chill through my spine. And the guitars... I don't know how to explain it. It's a feeling... Garm as really found the best production to fit his riffs and music. I couldn't imagine this album with another production. It just wouldn't feel the same... it wouldn't take me to the same place...
When judging a song's production quality, I analyze each instrument. In Bergtatt, the drums are a bit too inaudible for my liking, but I'm a drummer so that might be the reason. The kick is barely audible a lot of the time, the snare sounds weak, but the cymbals sound good. The electric guitar is primarily mid-frequencies, which does leave good room for the bass, but at certain points in some of the songs, when there are multiple instruments being played, the guitar turns almost into white noise. The acoustic guitar and vocals on this album sounds fantastic though.
That is what black metal sounds like, even nowadays. The drum never was recorded very loud, but they are still very enjoyable to me. Maybe they lack the heavyness and power you enjoy from your drums.
Maybe you guys just have some insanely nice speakers or headphones. What you use to listen to music can definitely affect your music experience. My headphones are pretty nice though, they're Sennheiser HD 202.
It's not cause we can hear it better, but sometimes, having one of the instruments recorded lower in the mix doesn't make it less enjoyable. I suggest you listen to both of these Origin albums. Echoes Of Decimation first, than Antithesis. Pay attention to the vocals and how they are mixed with the other instruments. I like the vocals on Antithesis better, because they blend in with the other instruments.
Anyways, I think I have at least a better appreciation for what I called bland and outdated. I just enjoy being able to talk about metal with intelligent people. Everyone I know IRL refers to all metal as white noise.
Well... I guess these people are kind of dumb...
At 4/3/11 05:11 AM, Xarnor wrote:
Speaking of guitar tones, I now have to ask what you guys think of the (sadly computer produced, need to figure a way to record to my laptop) guitar tone that I recently came up with (not a full song obviously, just basically a guitar test). Once I'm able to add a bass guitar I'll cut down on the low freqs on the guitar, but for now tell me what you think. Although I guess if you like Bergtatt's sound better than The Gathering's, I already know..
I like it, seriously :) And the drums are quite nice!
At 4/3/11 12:13 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote:
Agalloch - Pale Folklore
I forgot to add this one to my list... It's fucking great :)
Alcest- Écailles de Lune
I like the production on Souvenirs d'un autre monde, better.