At 3/23/11 03:32 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 3/23/11 02:56 PM, AniMetal wrote: R.I.P. Frankie Sparcello, bassist of Exhorder!

He died? R.I.P.

Yup, this morning.

Municipal Waste and Carnivore are thrash. Both meh worthy.

Thrash metal = Metal with punk influences
Hardcore = Punk with metal influences

Both carnivore and municipal waste, while more well known in the metal crowd than the punk crowd, are indubitably heavier punk influenced than metal as well as follow closer song formats similar to punk bands.

Suicidal Tendencies is the only band I listed that's really arguably metal, but that's because their style generally changed over time.

Hahahaha. Of course they suck. They influenced deathcore. I wouldn't expect good bands to have any influence on deathcore, Suffocation aside. And they like Suffocation for the wrong reassons, so it doesn't really matter.

I like you, a lot.

At 3/23/11 03:44 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 3/23/11 03:32 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 3/23/11 02:56 PM, AniMetal wrote: R.I.P. Frankie Sparcello, bassist of Exhorder!

He died? R.I.P.

Yup, this morning.

Shame.

Thrash metal = Metal with punk influences
Hardcore = Punk with metal influences

Yeah I know, but I've always thought of MW and Carnivore as thrash.

Suicidal Tendencies is the only band I listed that's really arguably metal, but that's because their style generally changed over time.

Never really listened to ST, so I wouldn't know. But from what I remember, they sounded more metul than punx.

I like you, a lot.

Thanks, you're ok, yourself.

While we're on the topic, if deathcore is really to be believed as death metal + hardcore, that means it only applies to one band: Abscess (US). But they don't suck, and actually know shit about hardcore. So... Yeah.

Sucks to hear the death of Frankie Sparcello. Exhorder are one of many bands I want to get into but have yet to give them a real chance.

At 3/23/11 02:56 PM, AniMetal wrote: I demand the setlist from that Sonata Arctica concert.

I've finished up the write up and you can see it right here. It includes the setlist for Sonata Arctica.

I've seen SA six times over the past seven years, but the very last time I saw them in april last year their setlist was totally shit. (By that I mean, Days Of Grays was played in almost entirety and silence was 100% ignored)

Silence was 100% ignored last night as well but at least it wasn't 3/4 of the setlist being The Days of Grays. They played four songs (six if you count both versions of Everything Fades to Gray).

At 3/23/11 04:54 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

Suicidal Tendencies is the only band I listed that's really arguably metal, but that's because their style generally changed over time.

Never really listened to ST, so I wouldn't know. But from what I remember, they sounded more metul than punx.

Their more well known stuff leans towards metal.

Except "Institutionalized", which is ST's biggest hit and definitely from their punk days.

While we're on the topic, if deathcore is really to be believed as death metal + hardcore, that means it only applies to one band: Abscess (US). But they don't suck, and actually know shit about hardcore. So... Yeah.

Most core bands know plenty about legitimate metal, they just chose to suck instead.

At 3/23/11 05:13 PM, Bahamut wrote: Sucks to hear the death of Frankie Sparcello. Exhorder are one of many bands I want to get into but have yet to give them a real chance.

I've still only checked out The Law, I still need to check out their other album as I hear it's much better.

At 3/23/11 02:56 PM, AniMetal wrote: I've seen SA six times over the past seven years, but the very last time I saw them in april last year their setlist was totally shit. (By that I mean, Days Of Grays was played in almost entirety and silence was 100% ignored)

Silence was 100% ignored last night as well

WHY DO THEY DO THIS? SILENCE IS THEIR BEST ALBUM. :/

but at least it wasn't 3/4 of the setlist being The Days of Grays. They played four songs (six if you count both versions of Everything Fades to Gray).

The setlist I saw them play in April last year, it pissed me off so much.

Everything Fades to Gray (Instrumental)
Flag in the Ground
The Last Amazing Grays
Paid in Full
As if the World Wasn't Ending
Full Moon
Juliet
Deathaura
Broken
The Dead Skin
Keyboard/Bass/Guitar solos
The Cage
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In Black and White
Don't Say a Word
The Vodka Song
Everything Fades to Gray

I've seen every single pre-days of grays songs played before, and I honestly heavily dislike the new album. (flag in the ground and the last amazing grays aside, anyway)

Such a disappointing setlist, at least they spent a good 6 minutes with amazing solos right before the cage - it was the only time i've ever seen SA do a bass solo.

I'm jealous though, I haven't seen them play Blank File yet and i've only seen them play Victoria's Secret once.

Also i'm ESPECIALLY jealous that you've seen Labyrinth. They're playing their first, and probably last, ever north america show in september at the progpower USA festival. <333333333 Labyrinth.

Also, lol sonata arctica moshpits - they don't even do that any of the times i've seen them.

Also weird, both times i've seen Opeth the crowd has been relatively rough with each other and when I saw Blind Guardian in december, the mosh pit/crowdsurfers EXPLODED during some of the songs(Born In A Mourning Hall, Time Stands Still, Valhalla and Majesty all specifically)

Also don't expect to see White Pearls, Black Oceans ever. They played that song nearly every night for their encore from 2004-2008. They didn't play it once in 2009 or 2010(I investigate band setlists before seeing a band)

At 3/23/11 05:34 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 3/23/11 05:13 PM, Bahamut wrote: Sucks to hear the death of Frankie Sparcello. Exhorder are one of many bands I want to get into but have yet to give them a real chance.

I've still only checked out The Law, I still need to check out their other album as I hear it's much better.

The Law is one I'll put on the list to listen to. I should listen to it soon to pay a tribute to the late Frankie Sparcello.

Silence was 100% ignored last night as well

WHY DO THEY DO THIS? SILENCE IS THEIR BEST ALBUM. :/

It's not my very favourite Sonata Arctica album. Personally I feel the album could have dropped a ballad or two but besides that it's a great album. Still, they could have played at least one song from it. It's not like they have a wide range of albums like Judas Priest or Motörhead.

The setlist I saw them play in April last year, it pissed me off so much.

At least they played Deathaura. But yeah, that setlist is pretty sucky. Sad to see not even Replica was there.

I've seen every single pre-days of grays songs played before, and I honestly heavily dislike the new album. (flag in the ground and the last amazing grays aside, anyway)

You mean they've played The Power of One before?

Also i'm ESPECIALLY jealous that you've seen Labyrinth. They're playing their first, and probably last, ever north america show in september at the progpower USA festival. <333333333 Labyrinth.

I barely knew Labyrinth but I knew they've been around for a while now. I did get their most recent album Return to Heaven Denied Pt. II from the merchandise. Not sure if it's their best album but had it not been for the live show, I take it the first Return to Heaven Denied is the ideal Labyrinth album to pick up first. Then again, I should probably pick it up soon.

Also, lol sonata arctica moshpits - they don't even do that any of the times i've seen them.

I guess Manchester is pretty wild. :P They're rough enough to get people kicked out of shows, unlike the shows I've been to in London. There was one guy at the Motörhead show who had to be taken out by SIX security guards.

Also weird, both times i've seen Opeth the crowd has been relatively rough with each other and when I saw Blind Guardian in december, the mosh pit/crowdsurfers EXPLODED during some of the songs(Born In A Mourning Hall, Time Stands Still, Valhalla and Majesty all specifically)

I suppose a high class venue like the Royal Albert Hall wouldn't condone mosh pits at all so that may be why there weren't any at the Opeth show I went to.

I posted a review for Artillery's new album, My Blood. As always, CC welcome!

Geez.... so much hate on Cannibal Corpse. Just seems pathetic to say they suck when they have such a huge fan base compared to pretty much any other death metal band. Unless of course thats the reason so many hate on them. Also the fact they have influenced so many bands.... regardless of how some of those bands might not sound appealing to me. Whatever I <3 them. But I will agree cannibal corpse was better with Chris Barnes but I still like what Corpsegrinder has done. Also Corpsegrinder loved my immolation shirt.

At 3/23/11 03:44 PM, AniMetal wrote: Thrash metal = Metal with punk influences
Hardcore = Punk with metal influences

Crossover = Thrash with hardcore influences
Municipal Waste = Crossover

Jesus fucking christ can't a $1,000 just appear in my bank so I can just go on the biggest CD spree ever?!? Theres so much to buy.....

At 3/23/11 03:03 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 3/23/11 03:00 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Don't matter, Cannibal Corpse suck major balls these days. In my opinion they were beter with Chris Barnes.

Cannibal Corpse has ALWAYS sucked.

I'm getting pretty tired of this. I already told you that you shouldn't express such useless opinions. No one gives a shit. You need to explain why you don't like them, or respect the fact that we can't be as awesome as you are.

Plus, Webster is one of the best bassists in Death Metal.

At 3/23/11 03:03 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 3/23/11 03:00 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Don't matter, Cannibal Corpse suck major balls these days. In my opinion they were beter with Chris Barnes.

Cannibal Corpse has ALWAYS sucked.

I'm getting pretty tired of this. I already told you that you shouldn't express such useless opinions. No one gives a shit. You need to explain why you don't like them, or respect the fact that we can't be as awesome as you are.

At 3/23/11 08:12 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Geez.... so much hate on Cannibal Corpse. Just seems pathetic to say they suck when they have such a huge fan base compared to pretty much any other death metal band. Unless of course thats the reason so many hate on them. Also the fact they have influenced so many bands.... regardless of how some of those bands might not sound appealing to me. Whatever I <3 them. But I will agree cannibal corpse was better with Chris Barnes but I still like what Corpsegrinder has done. Also Corpsegrinder loved my immolation shirt.

Bands aren't good because of the size of their fanbase. It's about the music and creativity. Cannibal Corpse aren't bad but they're entry level and monotonous IMO. They're talented and make decent music. I'm not gonna insult them or anything. There's just better death metal out there.

At 3/24/11 12:17 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Bands aren't good because of the size of their fanbase. It's about the music and creativity. Cannibal Corpse aren't bad but they're entry level and monotonous IMO. They're talented and make decent music. I'm not gonna insult them or anything. There's just better death metal out there.

I like how you explainned your point of view, instead of just saying they suck shit. I have to agree with you, they are entry level and their music really is monotonous.

I think Webster really makes a great use of his talent with Blotted Science though. Their music is far superior to what Cannibal Corpse makes and I really hope to see him again in another project like Machinations Of Dementia.

At 3/24/11 12:17 AM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: Bands aren't good because of the size of their fanbase.

Herp durr.....No shit, because of the creativity and the music cannibal Corpse has a large fan base SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOO there you go.

At 3/24/11 12:23 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I like how you explainned your point of view, instead of just saying they suck shit. I have to agree with you, they are entry level and their music really is monotonous.

I think Webster really makes a great use of his talent with Blotted Science though. Their music is far superior to what Cannibal Corpse makes and I really hope to see him again in another project like Machinations Of Dementia.

Thanks. I found Blotted Science to be a bit repetitive too, but I could respect the musicianship and technique. Cannibal Corpse has a great bassist and lead guitarist. The music just doesn't do it for me. Frantic Disembowelment has pretty sick guitars. Even though Necrophagist are technical I think the song writing and musicianship is better.

Oh how I would love to see a black metal cover of this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAOm4Iaa ro

At 3/24/11 01:22 AM, smeagol1 wrote: Oh how I would love to see a black metal cover of this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAOm4Iaa ro

Whats awesome is that it would work perfectly. I can already hear it now. The guitars would be faster and blast beats for the drums and a singer screaming in a high pitched tone. Speaking of Amon Amarth (which for some reason gets shit on from here....) My limited edition Surtur rising box set with the 5 inch figurine just shipped so now I just have to wait for it to come now. CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

At 3/23/11 06:11 PM, Bahamut wrote: At least they played Deathaura. But yeah, that setlist is pretty sucky. Sad to see not even Replica was there.

Yeah, the one highlight of that sonata arctica show I went to is they said it was the first time they had ever played deathaura live...ever.

Which was neat.

I've seen every single pre-days of grays songs played before, and I honestly heavily dislike the new album. (flag in the ground and the last amazing grays aside, anyway)

You mean they've played The Power of One before?

That's not what I mean, I meant every song on the setlist they played when I saw them that wasn't on the days of grays I had already seen before.

But yes, actually I have - in 2005 they played the power of one when I saw them instead of white pearls, black oceans like they normally did for the encore. (Power of one is way better anyway)

Also, lol sonata arctica moshpits - they don't even do that any of the times i've seen them.

I guess Manchester is pretty wild. :P They're rough enough to get people kicked out of shows, unlike the shows I've been to in London. There was one guy at the Motörhead show who had to be taken out by SIX security guards.

England is lame for shows, I think.

Both times i've seen municipal waste the crowd totally went batshit insane.

I watched a live video from a london municipal waste show, everyone was standing still.

And i'm like "LOL BRITTISH"

Also weird, both times i've seen Opeth the crowd has been relatively rough with each other and when I saw Blind Guardian in december, the mosh pit/crowdsurfers EXPLODED during some of the songs(Born In A Mourning Hall, Time Stands Still, Valhalla and Majesty all specifically)

I suppose a high class venue like the Royal Albert Hall wouldn't condone mosh pits at all so that may be why there weren't any at the Opeth show I went to.

Probably. haha

At 3/24/11 06:10 AM, AniMetal wrote: I watched a live video from a london municipal waste show, everyone was standing still.

And i'm like "LOL BRITTISH"

I don't know what you're talking about bro, down here in London shit always gets messy. When I saw Mutant supporting Evile it was a nonstop mosh for their entire set, and Evile had easily 50 stage divers and pits all nights.

I've never been into Cannibal Corpse, but I definitely agree that Alex Webster is a sick bassist. I heard there's going to be a new Blotted Science album, too. I hope that I heard right.

And whether Carnivore is more punk or more metal, they're badass.

Also, I'll try to remember to check out that list of Portugese bands. I remember seeing the page for that one avant-garde band, but I don't know why I don't remember any of their music. I'll be checking them out first if I remember to do it.

I remember now...I remember how it started...I can't remember yesterday...I just remember doing... what they told me...told me...told me...told me...

I will be seing Agalloch live, tonight !!!

I've already said a few things about Cannibal Corpse in the past. I personally feel there isn't a great variety in their music. Only a selection of songs stick out from their range of music. Some of them are from Eaten Back to Life which is the CC album I enjoyed the most from what I heard.

At 3/23/11 10:15 PM, Anti-pie wrote: Jesus fucking christ can't a $1,000 just appear in my bank so I can just go on the biggest CD spree ever?!? Theres so much to buy.....

I actually have more than that in GBP value but if I go on a CD spending spree, I'll have too many songs to listen to at once and won't remember most of them. Maybe, just maybe I can go nuts for my 21st birthday but I felt getting at least 20 albums over Christmas (presents, sales and other stuff I wanted) was crazy enough.

At 3/24/11 06:10 AM, AniMetal wrote: But yes, actually I have - in 2005 they played the power of one when I saw them instead of white pearls, black oceans like they normally did for the encore. (Power of one is way better anyway)

It's my favourite Sonata Arctica song. They really need to make more longer songs.

I watched a live video from a london municipal waste show, everyone was standing still.

And i'm like "LOL BRITTISH"

I guess it varies from show to show. The crowd at Heidenfest in London was insane last year, especially for Ensiferum. The only bands from Heidenfest last year that didn't have a mosh pit going on were Heidevolk and Twilight of the Gods Bathory tribute.

At 3/24/11 01:02 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I will be seing Agalloch live, tonight !!!

Go die in fire!

I'm jelly.

I agree, Sonata arctica DEFINITELY need more longer songs.

At 3/24/11 01:02 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I will be seing Agalloch live, tonight !!!

I could've seen them last night, but their show was 21+

Instead i'll be seeing Helmet, Saint Vitus, Crowbar, Kylesa, Red Fang, Howl, Atlas Moth & Moth Eater tonight all on one lineup.

SLUDGE <3

At 3/24/11 06:22 AM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 3/24/11 06:10 AM, AniMetal wrote: I watched a live video from a london municipal waste show, everyone was standing still.

And i'm like "LOL BRITTISH"

I don't know what you're talking about bro, down here in London shit always gets messy. When I saw Mutant supporting Evile it was a nonstop mosh for their entire set, and Evile had easily 50 stage divers and pits all nights.

Retro-thrash metal is so trendy now, it probably attracted a ton of tough guys + teenagers who don't know more than ten pre-00's metal bands + oldschool metalheads who have their heads in the ass that "all the good metal" was released betwee 1982 and 1994, and from 2006 onwards.

At 3/23/11 02:36 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: So, I'm trying to explain some guys why metalcore/deathcore is not metal, but I'm feeling that I'm not really able to argue, what should I say to prove it? I don't want to say because only scene kids listen to it and stuff like that, I need musical proofs.

One guy showed me a song from Sick of it All, an Hardcore Punk band, Cannibal Corpse and Job For A Cowboy, and I can't say they're now a Death Metal band because the song he showed me is from the first album. He then told me to compare the songs, and say with which band does JFAC sounds more like. And, in fact, even with the core sound, they sound much more like Cannibal Corpse, and I'm not concerned with Cannibal Corpse's quality, they're a Death Metal band, that's what I'm concerned with.

I still need help. Please, help me with this.

At 3/24/11 03:06 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I still need help. Please, help me with this.

Just tell him that deathcore rips off Cannibal Corpse all the time. Suffocation too. Doesn't mean they're death metal.

At 3/24/11 04:04 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 3/24/11 03:06 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I still need help. Please, help me with this.

Just tell him that deathcore rips off Cannibal Corpse all the time. Suffocation too. Doesn't mean they're death metal.

I want real musical differences. Like guitar playing style why is it different than in metal, also drumming, vocals, whatever.

At 3/24/11 04:40 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I want real musical differences. Like guitar playing style why is it different than in metal, also drumming, vocals, whatever.

Well Deathcore and Death Metal are very similar, Deathcore tends to use more pig squeals, guitar riffs that generally stay in the same key throughout the whole song and the drumming is basically the same, fast double bass kicks and blast beats ect. But the biggest difference is the almost consent use of breakdowns, coming up out of nowhere usually and normally throw off the whole song.
Death Metal vocals consist of more deep growls, gutturals and high (Black Metal) screams, DM guitars (can) change throughout the song but in my personal opinion the biggest difference in the guitars are the technicality, DM guitarist are usually very skilled in many styles and infuse those styles with each other, DM drums are normally about the same as Deathcore drums consisting of beats using 32nd notes to 64th notes but not always.

Well this is what I see/hear from my musical experience and knowledge. Some of you may see it differently but like I said this is my opinion.

Also hey everybody. Lol I think I'm gonna be back. Sorry I keep disappearing but none of you probably notice anyway lol

So who are the Horsemen at the moment?

At 3/24/11 09:03 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote: So who are the Horsemen at the moment?

Bahamut, Bill, Sensey, and Duff.

At 3/24/11 09:03 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote:

At 3/24/11 04:40 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I want real musical differences. Like guitar playing style why is it different than in metal, also drumming, vocals, whatever.

Well Deathcore and Death Metal are very similar.

Only because deathcore ripped off Cannibal Corpse and Suffocation and then watered it down. With piss. And AIDs. And more AIDs. And then forgot about those bands.

At 3/24/11 10:46 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Only because deathcore ripped off Cannibal Corpse and Suffocation and then watered it down. With piss. And AIDs. And more AIDs. And then forgot about those bands.

Basically.

At 3/24/11 09:52 PM, Zodir wrote: Bahamut, Bill, Sensey, and Duff.

Ah. So it hasn't changed.