Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

At 3/20/11 11:38 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

There's always the metalcore club.

At 3/20/11 11:56 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 3/20/11 11:38 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

There's always the metalcore club.

The only metalcore band I mentioned was Job for a Cowboy and now they're a Death Metal band.

At 3/20/11 12:51 PM, Rummy0 wrote:

At 3/20/11 12:15 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote:

At 3/20/11 11:56 AM, Dalnaki wrote: There's always the metalcore club.

The metalcore bands I mentioned were Lamb of God and Job for a Cowboy and now they're trying too hard to be a Death Metal band.

fixed for you.

Have you checked out Narath's review of their "death metal" album? Good stuff.

Dude, you should get some Dimmu Borgir shoes. They would look ever so fetching on you.

Why is everyone bitching again?! Duff you post like you constantly have a stick shoved up your ass, chill man. Just for the record Job for a gay cowboy IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a death metal band.

This puts me into a emo state of mind. :'( OH SOOO BRUTIFUL!!!!

At 3/20/11 02:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Why is everyone bitching again?! Duff you post like you constantly have a stick shoved up your ass, chill man. Just for the record Job for a gay cowboy IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a death metal band.

Except that they are now, whether you like it or not. They aren't very good death metal, but they're death metal the same.

Alright, I don't usually listen to music, but I'm starting to take it more serious now. I love any band that can shred my ears to death on a guitar. Any recommendations on what I can check out?

And can somebody please explain to me what the fuck hair metal is?

At 3/20/11 02:45 PM, JMCJoe wrote: Alright, I don't usually listen to music, but I'm starting to take it more serious now. I love any band that can shred my ears to death on a guitar. Any recommendations on what I can check out?

Be more specific, there is shredding metal out there that you would probably hate.

And can somebody please explain to me what the fuck hair metal is?

Posion.

At 3/20/11 02:52 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

At 3/20/11 02:45 PM, JMCJoe wrote: Alright, I don't usually listen to music, but I'm starting to take it more serious now. I love any band that can shred my ears to death on a guitar. Any recommendations on what I can check out?

Be more specific, there is shredding metal out there that you would probably hate.

Thrash/Death metal.

At 3/20/11 02:40 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 3/20/11 02:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Why is everyone bitching again?! Duff you post like you constantly have a stick shoved up your ass, chill man. Just for the record Job for a gay cowboy IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a death metal band.

Except that they are now, whether you like it or not. They aren't very good death metal, but they're death metal the same.

Nope. They're still deathcore. Just because they dropped most of the deathcore shit, doesn't change anything. Also, most people will never consider them a legit death metal band as long as they keep the Job For a Cowboy name. Myself included. They will always be a deathcore band to me.

No, I'm not listening to Ruination.

At 3/20/11 11:38 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

Dude! We don't hate on mainstream bands. It just happens to annoy us more when popular bands suck. When an underground band sucks, it just fades away, because they don't have a big fanbase whatsoever and their music will be lost in the abyss of bad music forever. But all the bands you've listed, especially the 4 first. Look at their discographies...

Metallica - 9 LP
Pantera - 9 LP
CoF - 10 LP
Dimmu Borgir - 9 LP

That's a shitload of music. You will hear these very often, hear people talk about it very often. It just happens that these bands are always right there, right in your face, playing shows for MTV, attending the Grammy Awards, making videoclips aired on MuchMusic. It's not that we wait what is popular, in fact, Metallica was one of the most influential Thrash Metal band ever, it's just that we like to express our thoughts, and say how much we hate on something that is praised by way too much people.

And the two last bands you listed... Lamb Of God, they are trying too hard to be heavy, rad and brutal, plus they are a Groove Metal band, which means it's crap. And Job For A Cowboy, no matter if they are a Death Metal band or not, are still generic as fuck.

At 3/20/11 02:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Why is everyone bitching again?! Duff you post like you constantly have a stick shoved up your ass, chill man. Just for the record Job for a gay cowboy IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE a death metal band.

Yeah right. I remember you going on a rage when I said Slayer was bad. Same situation, except I, told you guys why I didn't like them.

At 3/20/11 03:00 PM, JMCJoe wrote:

At 3/20/11 02:52 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

At 3/20/11 02:45 PM, JMCJoe wrote: Alright, I don't usually listen to music, but I'm starting to take it more serious now. I love any band that can shred my ears to death on a guitar. Any recommendations on what I can check out?

Be more specific, there is shredding metal out there that you would probably hate.

Thrash/Death metal.

You mean, you want some Death/Thrash, or do you want to have both Death Metal and Thrash Metal bands?

Anyway!!!

Death Metal:

Benighted
Blood Red Throne
Cryptopsy (two first albums)
Cynic (early - Death/Thrash, later - Progressive Death)
Death
Decapitated
Fleshgod Apocalypse
Kronos
Origin

Thrash Metal:

Evile
Kreator
Meanstreak
Megadeth
Metallica
Morbid Saint (There is some Death Metal elements in here)

At 3/20/11 04:06 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Nope. They're still deathcore. Just because they dropped most of the deathcore shit, doesn't change anything.

So, if you take deathcore, remove all the deathcore from it, it's somehow still deathcore? You don't make any sense.

Alright, thanks Duff. I already listen to Metallica, but according to a lot of people, that's a non-no so I decided to leave that out.

Now to check out a shitload of music.

At 3/20/11 04:18 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 3/20/11 04:06 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Nope. They're still deathcore. Just because they dropped most of the deathcore shit, doesn't change anything.

So, if you take deathcore, remove all the deathcore from it, it's somehow still deathcore? You don't make any sense.

I didn't say they dropped all the deathcore, and they didn't drop it all, either.

At 3/20/11 04:37 PM, JMCJoe wrote: Alright, thanks Duff. I already listen to Metallica, but according to a lot of people, that's a non-no so I decided to leave that out.

Metallica is a good band. You should listen to the albums Kill 'Em All, ...And Justice For All, and the album Ride The Lightning. Some people also argue that Master Of Puppets is their best album. I don't think it it, but you should check it out anyway :)

Now to check out a shitload of music.

I don't remember you ever officially joinning the Metal Hell. Did you do the 10 bands list?

Blood Red Throne - Flesh To Destroy

No mention of Possessed, HeavenDuff?

At 3/20/11 04:54 PM, Dalnaki wrote: No mention of Possessed, HeavenDuff?

I don't know them quite enough to pretend I could suggest them to someone else :O

Blood Red Throne - Smite

At 3/20/11 05:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/20/11 04:54 PM, Dalnaki wrote: No mention of Possessed, HeavenDuff?

I don't know them quite enough to pretend I could suggest them to someone else :O

Blood Red Throne - Smite

You should change that. Listen to Seven Churches.

At 3/20/11 04:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/20/11 04:37 PM, JMCJoe wrote: Alright, thanks Duff. I already listen to Metallica, but according to a lot of people, that's a non-no so I decided to leave that out.

Metallica is a good band. You should listen to the albums Kill 'Em All, ...And Justice For All, and the album Ride The Lightning. Some people also argue that Master Of Puppets is their best album. I don't think it it, but you should check it out anyway :)

Now to check out a shitload of music.

I don't remember you ever officially joinning the Metal Hell. Did you do the 10 bands list?

Blood Red Throne - Flesh To Destroy

No, because I don't have 10 Metal Bands I would call my 'favorites'.

I like all of Metallica's album before and including '...And Justice for All' (except the Garage Days re-revisited, couldn't care less for it) and Holier Than Thou from the Black album.

At 3/20/11 04:44 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I didn't say they dropped all the deathcore, and they didn't drop it all, either.

They dropped enough so that their music is now more death metal than deathcore.

At 3/20/11 04:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/20/11 11:38 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

Dude! We don't hate on mainstream bands. It just happens to annoy us more when popular bands suck. When an underground band sucks, it just fades away, because they don't have a big fanbase whatsoever and their music will be lost in the abyss of bad music forever. But all the bands you've listed, especially the 4 first. Look at their discographies...

Metallica - 9 LP
Pantera - 9 LP
CoF - 10 LP
Dimmu Borgir - 9 LP

For me, between those bands, Metallica is the only mainstream band. Maybe you'll see CoF, Pantera or Dimmu Borgir in your MTV but in Portuguese MTV, I'm very lucky to watch them talking about Metallica.

And the two last bands you listed... Lamb Of God, they are trying too hard to be heavy, rad and brutal, plus they are a Groove Metal band, which means it's crap. And Job For A Cowboy, no matter if they are a Death Metal band or not, are still generic as fuck.

I'm not a big fan of JFAC, but in my opinion they're pretty listenable. And Lamb Of God, well it's a question of taste, I like them mostly because of the drumming, and the tasty groovy riffs that make me want to do the "windmill" with my hair. And I can see why you hate them, they're all like "Motherfucking fucking fuck fucks fuckers", but that don't really bother me. I had and will have a lot of great times listening to them, Ashes of The Wake is so goddamn tasty.

At 3/20/11 05:07 PM, Dalnaki wrote: You should change that. Listen to Seven Churches.

Doing that just now. It's pretty cool, I'll give them a chance :)

At 3/20/11 05:21 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 3/20/11 04:44 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I didn't say they dropped all the deathcore, and they didn't drop it all, either.

They dropped enough so that their music is now more death metal than deathcore.

Because you think that Death Metal is somewhere below Deathcore?

It's like saying Death Metal is like a Jacket, and when you add a patch or something, it becomes Deathcore. That's not the way it works. Deathcore and Death Metal do not even share the same basics... Deathcore is just another of these genres which illegitimately steals their names from Metal genres, like Nu-Metal. Only similarity between both genres is the distortion and some drums lines.

At 3/20/11 05:53 PM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: I'm not a big fan of JFAC, but in my opinion they're pretty listenable. And Lamb Of God, well it's a question of taste, I like them mostly because of the drumming, and the tasty groovy riffs that make me want to do the "windmill" with my hair. And I can see why you hate them, they're all like "Motherfucking fucking fuck fucks fuckers", but that don't really bother me. I had and will have a lot of great times listening to them, Ashes of The Wake is so goddamn tasty.

I don't really hate Lamb Of God. In fact, I still think there is some kind of personnality in their music, especially on Ashes Of The Wake.

At 3/20/11 06:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/20/11 05:07 PM, Dalnaki wrote: You should change that. Listen to Seven Churches.

Doing that just now. It's pretty cool, I'll give them a chance :)

At 3/20/11 05:21 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 3/20/11 04:44 PM, Dalnaki wrote: I didn't say they dropped all the deathcore, and they didn't drop it all, either.

They dropped enough so that their music is now more death metal than deathcore.

Because you think that Death Metal is somewhere below Deathcore?

No. They always had both deathcore and death metal tendencies, now they've mostly dropped the deathcore parts so its mostly death metal left.

Boy you just love to stir shit up don't you.

At 3/20/11 06:07 PM, SomaGuye wrote: No. They always had both deathcore and death metal tendencies, now they've mostly dropped the deathcore parts so its mostly death metal left.

You people forget:
Deathcore = The downsyndrome son of metalcore and....more metalcore.
Metalcore = The downsyndrome son of melodic death metal and screamo.

I next to never hear any hardcore influence in metalcore/deathcore, so I don't know where people get that. The only hardcore bands I ever find core kids that like are Hatebreed and Earth Crisis, and both those bands suck dick as opposed to good hardcore.

Boy you just love to stir shit up don't you.

Duff or dalkani? Ah screw it, they both love to do that.

At 3/20/11 11:38 AM, TheDaemonicPoet wrote: Damn, it almost sounds like a requirement to hate every mainstream band here. I like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Pantera and Metallica, problem? And I even like some Nightwish and Job for a Cowboy. I love Lamb of God and Machine Head. Now, what are you going to do?

Mainstream doesn't necessarily mean shit.

DB and COF is just trendie "LOL SYMPHONIC LOL GOTHIC DEATH METALZ"
Lamb OF God is basically borderline metalcore, people just call them groove metal to feel better than themselves.
Pantera's 80's stuff along with cowboys from hell is great, but vulgar display onwards is shit.
JFAC is not and never was metal.
Machine Head's first two albums are kickass and their latest album is pretty good too, just avoid everything in between.
Nightwish is great, Dark Passion Play excluded.
metallica's first four albums are awesome.

Probably the most popular band among users of this club, Opeth, is pretty damn mainstream and most of us love them nonetheless.

It's not that we hate mainstream metal bands, it's that we hate maisntream SOUNDING metal bands.

Thrash Metal:
Evile

Why the fuck is Evile your TOP recommendation for thrash metal? That's like if Dragonforce was my top recommendation for power metal.

Seriously, what the fuck?

Meanstreak

Why is this recommened under thrash? They're not thrash, they;re traditional metal.

Morbid Saint (There is some Death Metal elements in here)

Death metal = / = thrash metal.

Sure the first two MA albums are borderline thrash, but it doesn't change the fact they're death metal.

I agree with most of your death metal recommendations though.

At 3/19/11 12:08 PM, AniMetal wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOL ABIGAIL WILLIAMS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Same goes for you :) You are "the" power metal douche in here. I assume that you realise it's the most cheesy and silly genre of metal, right? Don't bullshit on AW, especially if you like guys who dress in armors and sing about dungeons and princesses with their fagsetto voices.

I never said I dislike them because of cheesiness, I LOVE cheese in my metal.

I dislike them because they just generally suck.

And they're not black metal, what the fuck are you on?

Not Death Metal
Much more, if not totally Death Metal

At 3/20/11 06:07 PM, SomaGuye wrote: No. They always had both deathcore and death metal tendencies, now they've mostly dropped the deathcore parts so its mostly death metal left.

Boy you just love to stir shit up don't you.

Whatever you say. They still sound like trendy deathcore to me.

At 3/20/11 06:19 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Thrash Metal:
Evile

Why the fuck is Evile your TOP recommendation for thrash metal? That's like if Dragonforce was my top recommendation for power metal.

It's not my top recommandation, you a-hole. It comes first in an alphabetical order.

Meanstreak

Why is this recommened under thrash? They're not thrash, they;re traditional metal.

You serious?

Morbid Saint (There is some Death Metal elements in here)

Death metal = / = thrash metal.

Sure the first two MA albums are borderline thrash, but it doesn't change the fact they're death metal.

Oh my fucking Jesus!! I said Morbid Saint! Man! Just stop being such a dick to me, especially if you don't learn how to read.

I dislike them because they just generally suck.

Right. And I was totally wrong to suggest them, even if the guy who asked for suggestions said he liked them. Oh well, I guess there is more people with bad tastes in here, than there are awesome guys like you.

And they're not black metal, what the fuck are you on?

Dude, what do you fucking know? They started as a Metalcore with some Symphonic Metal elements band, than moved to a Symphonic Black Metal/Metalcore genre, and their most recent album is Symphonic Black Metal all the way.

I never said they were Black Metal, I said SBM. And these are two different things.

Why is it that every single time I post you have to drop by and try to correct me for being soooooo off the track all the time...

At 3/20/11 06:24 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Not Death Metal
Much more, if not totally Death Metal

Dude, they sound like Beneath The Massacre. That's just some Technical Deathcore mixed with some Wanky-Wanky Death Metal.

Yeah, the second track might be "more metal" than the first one, but dude... you really are pushing this a little too far. Do you ever listen to any Old School Death Metal?

At 3/20/11 06:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 3/20/11 06:19 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Thrash Metal:
Evile

Why the fuck is Evile your TOP recommendation for thrash metal? That's like if Dragonforce was my top recommendation for power metal.

It's not my top recommandation, you a-hole. It comes first in an alphabetical order.

Okay, I didn't realize that. But still, they're not even worth recommending.

Meanstreak

Why is this recommened under thrash? They're not thrash, they;re traditional metal.

You serious?

Fucking MA... coming from both a mega power and mega thrash metal fan - these guys are neither of those genres. (Although i'm judging off only two songs)

Oh my fucking Jesus!! I said Morbid Saint! Man! Just stop being such a dick to me, especially if you don't learn how to read.

Oh, I really fail - I should reread things. XD

Symphonic Black Metal/Metalcore genre

Reread this and realize the countless loads of fail that that is.

At 3/20/11 06:45 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Okay, I didn't realize that. But still, they're not even worth recommending.

Whatever the fuck you say. I don't have to share all your tastes in music.

Fucking MA... coming from both a mega power and mega thrash metal fan - these guys are neither of those genres. (Although i'm judging off only two songs)

These girls, actually. Don't know if you are listenning to the good band. Cause they definitely play Thrash Metal or have heavy Thrash Metal influences. Some of their riffs remind me of 80's Metallica.

Symphonic Black Metal/Metalcore genre

Reread this and realize the countless loads of fail that that is.

I know that to some of you guys, there is no kind of possibility to mix metalcore and metal, but that's definitely what these guys are doing. They have a shit load of black metal blastbeats in their music, lot's of "gothic/symphonic" keys, and a lot of tremolo picking riffs... Come on! Listen to Empyrean: Into The Cold Wastes, and tell me this track doesn't have any kind of SBM elements...

At 3/20/11 06:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Dude, they sound like Beneath The Massacre. That's just some Technical Deathcore mixed with some Wanky-Wanky Death Metal.

Yeah, the second track might be "more metal" than the first one, but dude... you really are pushing this a little too far. Do you ever listen to any Old School Death Metal?

I listen to some Old School Death Metal, but I don't see how that's relevant much since Modern Death metal sounds completely different anyway. I'm just saying, new JFAC sounds closer to new Decapitated to me than any deathcore bands.

inb4 huge shitstorm about me comparing them to Decapitated.