At 11/23/10 04:13 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/23/10 02:41 PM, hypersomniax wrote:

At 11/23/10 04:23 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Just bought new Agalloch's album on Profound Lore's website. I also just bought a Fleshgod Apocalypse t-shirt, that will be shipped from Europe to my igloo in Canada.

Fleshgod Apocalypse - Retrieving My Carcass

I just god Oracles last night. These guys are pretty fucking sick.
One thing I'm noticing about pretty much all tech death bands is that none of them can surpass Obscura's Cosmegenesis. Why? LACK OF VARIATION. I have yet to hear more than one song by a tech death band besides Obscura that's in a major key.

Besides maybe Fleshwrought, but they're almost as triggered as Insidious, which I'm still not sure I like.

Antithesis by Origin?
Icon by Benighted?
Altered Genesis by Blood Red Throne?

Do you think that these have a lack of variation?

Man, you know I love all of those albums. I never said they are not varied, I just said that I haven't heard many or any songs that are in a major key.
Variation and major keys are two different things.

At 11/24/10 01:13 AM, hypersomniax wrote: Man, you know I love all of those albums. I never said they are not varied, I just said that I haven't heard many or any songs that are in a major key.
Variation and major keys are two different things.

My bad, sorry...

:'(

Actually, reading back over my post, I kinda did say that lack of major key usage and lack of variation are the same thing.

Whoops.

I guess my main point is that with the exception of a few (i.e. Obscura, Origin, Fleshgod, The Faceless) I'm really starting to realize just how many bullshit failed attempts at skillful, varied tech death there are out there.

No response necessary, Duff.

Also, for that one pop-core band I posted. I really wanna go to a show of one of these bands and see how many people I can knock out cold before people start crying.

God. To think I know people who actually like this shit.

At 11/21/10 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: All right, my friend really enjoyed the Thrash 101 CD that I gave him after receiving your input. Now he wants to try some death metal. Can you guys suggest some good songs to put into a Death metal 101 CD for him? Any help would be appreciated!

Cancer - Die Die
Necrophagia - Season of the Dead/Forbidden Pleasure
Morbid Saint - Crying For Death
Leukemia - Different But Same
Creepmime - The Fruits of Ill Virtue
Cynic - Pleading For Preservation
Dark Millenium - Fading to Eternity
Chemical Breath - Arachnid
Cadaver - Inner Persecution
Violent Dirge - Enlivening Dream
Thormenthor - Aesthetic Blight
Sorrow - Seperative Adjectives

If he doesn't enjoy my list... Smack him for me.

At 11/23/10 02:50 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 11/23/10 12:43 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 11/22/10 06:34 PM, AniMetal wrote: 15. Majesty

Damn, I so wish they played that song in London.

it actually wasn't on their setlist, the crowd chanted it for like two minutes while the band paced awkwardly back and forth on stage. Then finally hansi was like "NO" into the mic, then caved and they started playing it. :D

So if I want them to play Majesty next time, I better chant Majesty and hopefully the crowd will follow.

At 11/24/10 01:10 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Sorry for double-post guys, but there is this thread in the General forum, named Best Metal Bands? and I've posted massive rants on the matter of subjectivity and objectivity in arts. I know we had this discussion in here before, and a lot of you guys don't care about all this. But if you do like to have these philosophical debates on arts, you would be more then welcomed if you could give me your opinions on the matter.

It's better to leave things be. Stepping in and arguing about it doesn't do both sides any favours. Infact, the thread became more about those debates than asking people their favourite metal bands after you stepped in.

At 11/24/10 11:35 AM, Bahamut wrote: It's better to leave things be. Stepping in and arguing about it doesn't do both sides any favours. Infact, the thread became more about those debates than asking people their favourite metal bands after you stepped in.

And a debate like this one is useless because?

At 11/24/10 03:39 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 11/21/10 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: All right, my friend really enjoyed the Thrash 101 CD that I gave him after receiving your input. Now he wants to try some death metal. Can you guys suggest some good songs to put into a Death metal 101 CD for him? Any help would be appreciated!

Cancer - Die Die
Necrophagia - Season of the Dead/Forbidden Pleasure
Morbid Saint - Crying For Death
Leukemia - Different But Same
Creepmime - The Fruits of Ill Virtue
Cynic - Pleading For Preservation
Dark Millenium - Fading to Eternity
Chemical Breath - Arachnid
Cadaver - Inner Persecution
Violent Dirge - Enlivening Dream
Thormenthor - Aesthetic Blight
Sorrow - Seperative Adjectives

If he doesn't enjoy my list... Smack him for me.

Oh shit. I see you said death metal 101 now. My list was meant to introduce him to bands with less guttural vocal styles, since gutturals are usually a turn off to people just getting into death metal. Oh well. I still think my list is good. But if you want death metal 101.
The basics pretty much go as: Morbid Angel (AoM), Obituary (SWR), Death (SBG), Suffocation, Incantation, Immolation, Malevolent Creation, Necrophagia, Master, Deceased, Blasphemy, Cancer, Cynic (demos), Autopsy, Dismember, Entombed, and Demilich.

At 11/23/10 12:06 AM, PenisClown wrote:

At 11/22/10 07:13 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Kylesa - Time Will Fuse Its Worth
Kylesa - Static Tensions

Let me know what these sound like

k. I'll probably listen soon.

Zebulon Pike - And Blood Was Passion
Zebulon Pike - II: the Deafening Twilight

What are these guys like?

instrumental sludge. I like them. I gotta look for Intransience on my hard drive.

Lesbian - Stratospheria Cubensis

OH SHIT NEW LESBIAN I have their first album, it's so weird. Thanks for the heads up man I'll be getting this.

I really wanted Power Hor, but I ended up with the new one instead.

At 11/24/10 03:29 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Cynic (demos)

Saw this and didn't understand.

I never heard of the demos and Focus was an amazing album, don't you think? Why the demos only?

'Cos the demos would be more traditional death metal rather than vocoder jazz metal. YOU SO STOOPID DARF

Someone here recommended Into Eternity and I thought they were great. They sounded power metal at times but death was blended in it as well. They had an excellent vocalist and some pretty cool leads on the guitar. Good band.

At 11/25/10 12:28 AM, PenisClown wrote: 'Cos the demos would be more traditional death metal rather than vocoder jazz metal. YOU SO STOOPID DARF

Focus is still an amazing album

HeavenDuff. You've never listened to the demos? You seriously should, man. Just check this one out. Fucking awesome.

At 11/25/10 04:08 AM, Xarnor wrote: I'd like to join Metal Hell! I was told I should post a list of 10 of my favorite metal bands in order to join, so here we go:

The list is all good. I don't think any of us here are fond of Lamb of God but that aside, you've got a nice list. As a horsemen of the Metal Hell, I welcome you to the place.

At 11/25/10 03:56 AM, Dalnaki wrote: HeavenDuff. You've never listened to the demos? You seriously should, man. Just check this one out. Fucking awesome.

Doing it right naw !!!
And I think it's awesome :) As I told you before, I listen to all my music on my iPod. Can these demos be found on the internet? I'd love to get those :)

At 11/25/10 04:21 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 11/25/10 04:08 AM, Xarnor wrote: I'd like to join Metal Hell! I was told I should post a list of 10 of my favorite metal bands in order to join, so here we go:

The list is all good. I don't think any of us here are fond of Lamb of God but that aside, you've got a nice list. As a horsemen of the Metal Hell, I welcome you to the place.

I had the chance to that with this young man earlier today via the PM system. He knows his stuff pretty well and is really interrested in learning about different genres. I think he's going to be a good recruit :)

At 11/25/10 04:49 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/25/10 03:56 AM, Dalnaki wrote: HeavenDuff. You've never listened to the demos? You seriously should, man. Just check this one out. Fucking awesome.

Doing it right naw !!!
And I think it's awesome :) As I told you before, I listen to all my music on my iPod. Can these demos be found on the internet? I'd love to get those :)

A few seconds with Google found this Cynic demo site.

Also, did you check out those Demilich demos I posted to your Last.FM? If you like Nespithe, you'll like their demos too. Great stuff.

At 11/25/10 05:00 AM, Dalnaki wrote: A few seconds with Google found this Cynic demo site.

Scratch that. The site doesn't work. Use Mediafire instead.

At 11/25/10 05:04 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 11/25/10 05:00 AM, Dalnaki wrote: A few seconds with Google found this Cynic demo site.

Scratch that. The site doesn't work. Use Mediafire instead.

Thanks a lot :) I'll check Demilich's demos tomorrow.

So, fellow Manilla Road fans. Thoughts on this?

At 11/24/10 01:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/24/10 11:35 AM, Bahamut wrote: It's better to leave things be. Stepping in and arguing about it doesn't do both sides any favours. Infact, the thread became more about those debates than asking people their favourite metal bands after you stepped in.

And a debate like this one is useless because?

Why not ask yourself if it's even worth debating in the first place? Like I said, the thread just turned into a debate about what's metal and what isn't. Except for making a few comments, you should have just dropped it.

At 11/25/10 11:34 AM, Dalnaki wrote: So, fellow Manilla Road fans. Thoughts on this?

You talking about the live performance or the song itself? Necropolis is a great song and stands as one of my favourite Manilla Road songs right now. As for the live performance, I didn't like the sound of the drums and Mark Shelton didn't sound very enthusiastic here.

At 11/23/10 12:30 PM, ShitOnAStick wrote: Maybe I'm just being girly, but I like to feel a connection with the rest of the audience I'm there with.

I bet you do ;)

Hur hur hur

At 11/23/10 12:43 PM, Bahamut wrote: Yeah, this is true. The last time they toured in the UK was in 2006.

They did a London gig in September...
Unless you mean prior to that. But I didn't think it was that long, I vaguely remember a gig a couple of years back.
Now Manowar, theres a band that never tour the UK :(.

The unreasonable cunts.

I was only getting into these bands then and my sister wasn't even a metal fan of the time. I'm sure they'll appear at Bloodstock again sometime but that depends on when they're there and if I plan to go there.

I wouldn't count on it. Only Opeth are allowed to play BOA more than once every few years :P. BG are too good to appear there regularly :(.

At 11/25/10 02:11 PM, Xarnor wrote: So why is no one fond of Lamb of God?

Personally, I can't stand the whole 'I'M SO HARD I'LL BREAK YOUR BALLS WWAAARRRRRHHHHHHH! FUCK RRRRUUUUUUUUHHHHRRRRR!'
Sounds phoney, theres a difference being being aggressive and sounding it.

At 11/25/10 04:14 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/23/10 12:30 PM, ShitOnAStick wrote:

Personally, I can't stand the whole 'I'M SO HARD I'LL BREAK YOUR BALLS WWAAARRRRRHHHHHHH! FUCK RRRRUUUUUUUUHHHHRRRRR!'
Sounds phoney, theres a difference being being aggressive and sounding it.

I actually hate the "METAL FUCK YEAH" attitude that every metal frontman puts on at their show, even if they don't otherwise act like that.

At 11/25/10 12:17 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 11/24/10 01:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/24/10 11:35 AM, Bahamut wrote: It's better to leave things be. Stepping in and arguing about it doesn't do both sides any favours. Infact, the thread became more about those debates than asking people their favourite metal bands after you stepped in.

And a debate like this one is useless because?

Why not ask yourself if it's even worth debating in the first place? Like I said, the thread just turned into a debate about what's metal and what isn't. Except for making a few comments, you should have just dropped it.

So debating is not worth it... because?

I guess you are not getting my point. It's not the argument on what is metal and what isn't, that I'm talking about. I still think that this is the right place to explain people what is and what isn't metal. Like you know, it's not all metal fans who come to the Metal Hell. So a lot of metal fans just lurk around on the General forum and come across a Metal thread. How is it bad to explain them how Rammstein is not Metal?

Still, that's not the point. I was talking about the objectivity in arts. Everytime I talk about quality and ask that philosophical question: "Is artistic value subjective or objective, and to what extant?", you guys start complainning about how stupid I am and how much of a dumbass I am for starting these arguments...

I still think that the answer is not quite obvious, and that music fans should ask themselves that question. It's cool to know a lot about music, arts, techniques and all that shit. But I think it's great to ask ourselves these questions...

It's boring anyway to have stupid threads filled with bandwagons.... Nobody is ever quoting any other user. They just post their list, get their +1 post, and get the fuck out of the thread. Moving away from the original subject is not so bad, and still we kept discussing Metal bands...

At 11/25/10 02:11 PM, Xarnor wrote: So why is no one fond of Lamb of God? I only listen to one album of theirs, Wrath. Personally, as a drummer, I love the sound of LoB's drums, especially the snare. The guitars have a great full sound. I suppose they are kind of simple, and as a minimalist I can enjoy that, but then most people would think of that simplicity as a negative trait.

Chris Adler, the drummer of Lamb Of God has been a part of Blotted Science for a while before he was replaced by Charlie Zeleny of the band Behold... The Arctopus. If you are a drummer, you will probably like Lamb Of God, for Chris Adler is a pretty good drummer.

I don't have Lamb Of God. I think they are a pretty cool band. I just hate the vocalist's attitude.

It's stupid because it's impossible to change these peoples minds. They'll forever be convinced that Led Zeppelin is Heavy Metal, cause "ou know Immigrant Song is a bit fast.

At 11/25/10 04:54 PM, Nev wrote: It's stupid because it's impossible to change these peoples minds. They'll forever be convinced that Led Zeppelin is Heavy Metal, cause "ou know Immigrant Song is a bit fast.

Well... I changed my mind...

At 11/25/10 11:34 AM, Dalnaki wrote: So, fellow Manilla Road fans. Thoughts on this?

I've been wanting to get into Manilla Road for a while now, where should I start?

At 11/25/10 05:24 PM, Zodir wrote:

At 11/25/10 11:34 AM, Dalnaki wrote: So, fellow Manilla Road fans. Thoughts on this?

I've been wanting to get into Manilla Road for a while now, where should I start?

I'd say Crystal Logic is a good place to start. I only have their first four albums so far but I have a feeling Crystal Logic is the gateway album for Manilla Road. All the albums of theirs I have are definitely worth listening to (i.e. Invasion, Metal, Crystal Logic and Open the Gates). I was hoping to ask for some of their albums for Christmas but the rarity of their CDs won't make it easy on my family members to hunt them down.

I'm on a Progressive Metal trip right now. I'm listenning to Cynic, Spastic Ink, Blotted Science.
You guys have any suggestions of bands like these?

So this band are playing in a tiny venue near me in January. It's literally around the corner from my house. I'm probably going to go because there's a decent local band supporting them too. Any opinions on the band?

At 11/25/10 07:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'm on a Progressive Metal trip right now. I'm listenning to Cynic, Spastic Ink, Blotted Science.
You guys have any suggestions of bands like these?

Gonin-Ish
You know of Behold... the Arctopus (right?)
Liquid Tension Experiment (obvious)
SikTh (you're probably the only person that would like these, given theres a sizeable hardcore influence in there).

My Metal collection is old and stale, so apologies if I'm offering nowt new.