At 11/20/10 03:38 PM, AniMetal wrote: Oh? Kalmah are great, I thought you guys were talking about TBDM for whatever reason. XD

I guess we do discuss this band way too much lately...

LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL WUT? in all honesty, you can't compare them but I beg to differ. I remember lots of things about epica's music, SS isn't very melodic if I can't remember much about them other than being bored.

You said you liked their earlier work...

Epica are just a pathetic blend of Nightwish and Kamelot.

Nightwish
Kamelot

HOW THE FUCK DO EITHER OF THOSE SOUND LIKE: Epica

I'm not going to argue with you on this one. If you can't find similarities in the vocals, poppish sound, similar song structures. The way they use heavy guitars to play chords so they can actually sound "heavy". It's all the same dude. It's a recipe we've all heard before... Nightwish, Tristania, Epica... they all sound the same. Well... not exactly "the same", but they have way too much similarities, these can't go unoticed. Strangly, most people who like Epica also seem to like Nightwish. I'm just sayin'...

A trend? Yes, you can't stop what's popular.

That's why everytime a genre becomes popular, you have a billion cheap ass copies of the pioners of the genre.

Seriously, that's like saying "People who like Enslaved are also douchebags who probably jizz over Burzum"

I wouldn't say that. But you can usually guess what you'll find on somebody's playlist if you know that he likes Symphony X, Liquid Tension Experiment and Gordian Knot.

It's funny because they're really not, they're just late to jumping on the folk metal bandwagon so they'll never truely become huge and they try and cover that up by opening for bands NONSTOP. Seriously, they've played in my hometown seven times in 2010 alone.

What's up with all that "become big" or "you can't stop what's popular" stuff I read in all your posts? Is being popular such an important part in playing music? As long as these guys have gigs to play, I don't think they should matter about becoming the next Metallica.

How does this not have death metal elements? Dude, two of the members of epica are from God Dethroned.

Abigail Williams ex-drummer is now playing for Decrepith Birth. So a Symphonic Black Metal/Metalcore band and a Technical Death Metal band. Lot of similarities right? These kind of riffs remind me much more of Melodic Death Metal than actual DM. There is not really anyways you can mix DM with Symphonic Metal. I still get your point though. They are different. They are not exactly like Nightwish or other bands like this. Their Symphonic parts are very similar though. And the heavy parts are not really appealling to me anyway. Even if it was DM, it's not good death metal to me.

it's funny because kamelot have only gotten popular in the past five years, before the black halo they were less popular than symphony x are now. (which is popular, but not very popular)

Why do you say "popular"? I just said that Epica is pretty much a spawn of Kamelot. They became popular because Khan made them play theopening of all of Kamelot's concerts.

The sense is that Epica is still making better music than before while gaining popularity, SS are gaining popularity and making worse music.

I guess you are right when you say SS are making bad music today. They lost an important member of their line-up. When I talk about Scar Symmetry, I'm usually referring to the band of 2006, when they released Pitch Black Progress.

At 11/21/10 12:33 AM, smeagol1 wrote:

At 11/20/10 11:43 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Can someone recommend me some nasty as hell satanic black metal bands?

Thanks.

Satanic Warmaster
Gorgoroth
Ragnarok

Gorgoroth are so damn awesome :)

I'm still jizzing over seeing blind guardian last night, full review tomorrow after seeing them again. :D

At 11/21/10 03:54 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: You said you liked their earlier work...

The only Scar Symmetry album I enjoy is Holographic Universe.

I'm not going to argue with you on this one. If you can't find similarities in the vocals, poppish sound, similar song structures.

...you're retarded if you think Epica sounds like Kamelot or Nightwish.

Seriously - they don't sound anything like either of those bands.

Do epica's guitarists, kamelot's guitarist or nightwish guitarist sound similar at all? Nope
Do any of these three bands bassists sound similar? Not really, completely different styles of playing.
What about drummers? How similar are their drumming styles and rhythms? ...not similar at all.
What about lyrics? if you say lyrically these bands are similar at all then you're just retarded.
Vocals? Fuck, even if Tarja and Simone are both professional THEY still sound completely different from each other...
Keyboards? They use similar patchwork but none of the bands sound similar at all.

What about song setup?

Well jeeze, nightwish tends to do verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solos-chrous - kamelot tends to do that but with more talent.

Epica song setups? They don't have the same one they use in almost every song, their song setup is more similar to 90's symphony x than either of those bands.

That's why everytime a genre becomes popular, you have a billion cheap ass copies of the pioners of the genre.

This genre isn't popular - you got like five popular bands, that's not a genre being popular - just indivual bands.

Seriously, that's like saying "People who like Enslaved are also douchebags who probably jizz over Burzum"

I wouldn't say that.

That's exactly it. Saying Epica is just a shittie ripoff of nightwish, etc. is like saying Enslaved is a shittie ripoff of burzum, mayhem, etc.

I'm not even shitting you, that's what you're doing.

They are not exactly like Nightwish or other bands like this. Their Symphonic parts are very similar though.

Not really, as opposed to most other power/symphonic metal keyboardists who just learn one catchy patchwork and a semi-technical keyboard solo for each song, epica's keyboardist is quite talented.

And for the orchestral bits they have, nightwish and kamelot both have never used orchestras before in their work...

And the heavy parts are not really appealling to me anyway.

Wah.

Even if it was DM, it's not good death metal to me.

I'm saying it's death metal influenced, dude you need to read.

Why do you say "popular"? I just said that Epica is pretty much a spawn of Kamelot. They became popular because Khan made them play theopening of all of Kamelot's concerts.

Epica have only opened for kamelot once ever one tour and that was back in like 2003.

Yeah simone simons was in their song The Haunting and a couple songs on Ghost Opera but overall, that's gained Kamelot more fans than it has Epica.

At 11/20/10 05:40 PM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:
In reference to how often I go to shows, I go as often as the bands decide to show up here which isn't very often, and providing the funds needed are available.

So far, I've seen:

(BANDS)

Pretty sure I'm missing a few more, but that's my list so far. I could have had a few more but with uni and everything it's hard to try and get out and see them.

I've only seen Moonspell, Insomnium and Dark Tranquillity, and I am in the Metal faggotry for about 3/4 years :(

If that list is too "mainstream" or "shit" or "I've seen all those bands plus 500 more you're so shit I'm so much more metal than you", then you can go fuck yourselves.

tldr - stop acting like a bunch of spoiled fucking 12 year olds and go outside.

I love you.

At 11/14/10 08:04 PM, AniMetal wrote:

I've never actually heard any of Toxik. Where should I start?

I'm pretty sure they only have two albums, but I prefer "Think This" which is where the song "Shotgun Logic" is from. ;)

I finally picked up Think This at that local record shop I go to. It is amazing. Thanks for the recommendation.

At 11/20/10 08:31 PM, mothballs wrote: Thank you for that. I forgot to add 1349 to my list, but I do also like Bathory and Enslaved. I will check out DragonLord, Sigh and Akercocke.

Funny, I've had a few DragonLord and Sigh songs for a while now. I was even thinking of getting a DragonLord album a while ago. I could ask for it for Christmas but I feel Immortal takes priority when it comes to black metal, especially when I could be going to Bloodstock next year.

At 11/21/10 09:13 AM, AniMetal wrote: I'm still jizzing over seeing blind guardian last night, full review tomorrow after seeing them again. :D

Speaking of, I wrote up about my time seeing Motörhead.

All right, my friend really enjoyed the Thrash 101 CD that I gave him after receiving your input. Now he wants to try some death metal. Can you guys suggest some good songs to put into a Death metal 101 CD for him? Any help would be appreciated!

At 11/21/10 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: Death metal 101

Altars of Madness era Morbid Angel, Incantation, Nocturnus, Brodequin, Demilich, Exhumed, early Immolation, Suffocation, Gorod, Krisiun, Portal, Angelcorpse.

Wait till Dal comes online. He should be able to give you a good list.

At 11/20/10 05:40 PM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: This is all I see everytime I decide I'd like to contribute to the discussion (read: stupid unnecessary bitching).
http://www.explosm.net/comics/2239/

That was only posted a couple of days ago, so I doubt you see it every time :P.

Busted!

I liked it better with Ghoul around. He was a fucking cool dude. No disrespect to the new Horsemen, though, you're all excellent candidates and upholding your positions well.

Thanks, it's been tough going so far. I think a grand total of 0 new people have tried to join since.

At 11/21/10 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: All right, my friend really enjoyed the Thrash 101 CD that I gave him after receiving your input. Now he wants to try some death metal. Can you guys suggest some good songs to put into a Death metal 101 CD for him? Any help would be appreciated!

Entombed - Left Hand Path
Death - Pull The Plug
Obscura - Incarnated
The Faceless - Xenochrist
Opeth - Bleak
Pestilence - Out of The Body

Not exactly pure death metal, or entry level, but fucking awesome.

I have had this song stuck in my head since yesterday. I listened to it in the morning, ate breakfast and decided to listen to the rest of my Baroness. However, I ended up meeting up with friends ate breakfast and proceeded to drink and my day only took off from there, so I never got to go on my planned Baroness bender.

At 11/21/10 12:20 PM, Zodir wrote: All right, my friend really enjoyed the Thrash 101 CD that I gave him after receiving your input. Now he wants to try some death metal. Can you guys suggest some good songs to put into a Death metal 101 CD for him? Any help would be appreciated!

Blood Red Throne - Arterial Lust
Blood Red Throne - Tortured Soul Appearance
Death - Spirit Crusher
Quo Vadis - On the shores of Ithaka
Benighted - Forsaken
Blotted Science - Laser Lobotomy
Decapitated - Winds Of Creation
Fleshgod Apocalypse - Retrieving My Carcass
Kronos - Bringers Of Disorder
Vader - Dark Transmission
Origin - The Aftermath
Origin - Antithesis
Origin - Endless Cure
Suffocation - Infecting The Crypts
Suffocation - Liege Of Inveracity
Suffocation - Deceit
Gorod - Disavow your God
Nile - Cast Down the Heretic
Cannibal Corpse - Hammer Smashed Face
Obscura - Anticosmic Overload
Spawn Of Possession - Dead & Grotesque
Cryptopsy - Slit Your Guts
Cynic - Sentiment
Necrophagist - Extreme Unction
Panzerchrist - Suicide

At 11/21/10 01:56 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I have had this song stuck in my head since yesterday. I listened to it in the morning, ate breakfast and decided to listen to the rest of my Baroness. However, I ended up meeting up with friends ate breakfast and proceeded to drink and my day only took off from there, so I never got to go on my planned Baroness bender.

hahahaha fuck i can't believe i posted this without linking to the song

this is the song i was talking about LISTEN TO IT FUCKING LISTEN TO IT its title is "a horse called golgotha" and it is by baroness

At 11/21/10 06:03 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: hahahaha fuck i can't believe i posted this without linking to the song

this is the song i was talking about LISTEN TO IT FUCKING LISTEN TO IT its title is "a horse called golgotha" and it is by baroness

The same happened to me but with "The Sweetest Curse", the solo is so fucking catchy!

I was going to say I didn't like that song, then the first solo came on and it was pretty cool.
Still, this isn't what I think of when I think of Sludge. It's not slow, bassy or misanthropic enough for my liking :(.

At 11/21/10 06:23 PM, Nev wrote: I was going to say I didn't like that song, then the first solo came on and it was pretty cool.
Still, this isn't what I think of when I think of Sludge. It's not slow, bassy or misanthropic enough for my liking :(.

yeah it's about as unsludgey as sludge can be, especially that song. i like baroness a lot though, i like that style of progressive sludge in general

At 11/21/10 06:27 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: yeah it's about as unsludgey as sludge can be, especially that song. i like baroness a lot though, i like that style of progressive sludge in general

In response to Baroness (and somewhat Idio telling us off for not mentioning anything new ever) I decided to go into the depths of my unlistened-to-bands-on-iTunes and this is the sort of Sludge I like:
Charger

Fuck Hell!!

Ozzy is comin' to Brazil next year. WHOOOO AWESOMEEEE! I can't miss it!

My father, my mother and I are thinking on going to the show, but I don't know if I would enter it, since I'm 13, I think the minimum age to enter it is 18...

Fuck, he'll die and I'm not going to see him, just like Dio. Fuck!

Anyway, we'll do whaterver is needed to enter that goddamn show!

Cosmic Genesis,
Galatic powers astir,
Cosmic Genesis,
As the magnitude expands.
Cosmic Genesis,
I watch the vista transform,
Cosmic Genesis,
Blessed by the Stellarwind!

Somehow it seems to be built on mathematics,
but it hides in the dress of obscurity.

Quantum! Questions! Rests!

Since the dawn,
of Chronology.
In the arms of,
The Spiral Galaxy!

Cosmic Genesis,
Galatic powers astir,
Cosmic Genesis,
As the magnitude expands.
Cosmic Genesis,
I watch the vista transform,
Cosmic Genesis,
Blessed by the Stellarwind!

BLESSED BY THE STELLARWIIIIIIIIIIIND

At 11/19/10 03:36 PM, smeagol1 wrote: IMMORTAL IS COMING TO CHICAGO FEBRUARY 22ND AND I'M SO GONNA GO!!!!!! :D So off six day ban that poozy gave me lolol he's not a mod anymore!

A bit late but YESS THEY'RE COMING TO DENVER TOO.
Are any of you guys or gals in Colorado? Cause I need some show buddies.

I like to say this wins on so many levels of lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJfjKJi0 1I

Pffft that wasn't even funny dude.

I just blew my fucking ears out listening to some Cannabal Corpse, Fuck yeah.

At 11/22/10 10:25 AM, SohlTofang wrote: I just blew my fucking ears out listening to some Cannabal Corpse, Fuck yeah.

bah-r00t4l!

Iron Maiden coming to my city next August. Yay or nay?

Also, I got the new Allen-Lande album. I recommend it, even if it's a little slower than most Power Metal.

At 11/22/10 01:29 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Iron Maiden coming to my city next August. Yay or nay?

Go for it! It's hard to say if you'll have another chance afterwards. I've already got tickets to see them live at Manchester in July.

At 11/22/10 03:15 AM, PenisClown wrote: Pffft that wasn't even funny dude.

Yeah, it really wasn't.
Fartclops on the otherhand; hilarious!

If you're a fan of Doom/Death/Gothic, listen to this band, Desire, they're from Portugal and they're fucking awesome. My country also has some cool shit, but almost every Metal band is unknown. Can you believe the only known Metal band from Portugal is Moonspell and almost everything else is underground? Fucking hate Portugal. GRR!

For those who don't know, I saw blind guardian both last night and the night before in NYC. Why? because Blind Guardian are the best band ever.

Last night in Worcester Massachusetts this was their setlist:
1. Sacred Worlds
2. Welcome To Dying
3. Born In A Mourning Hall
4. Nightfall
5. Fly
6. Time Stands Still At The Iron Hill
7. Lost In The Twilight Hall
8. Bright Eyes
9. Lord Of The Rings
10. A Voice In The Dark
11. Imaginations From The Other Side
ENCORE:
12. Wheel Of Time
13. The Bard's Song
14. Valhalla
15. Majesty
16. Mirror Mirror

They had the same setlist on saturday in NYC only WITHOUT Lost In The Twilight Halls, Bright Eyes, A Voice In The Dark and Majesty. But instead that show had Time - What Is Time, Tanelorn and This Will Never End. (The reason i'm not posting the setlist is I honestly don't remember the order of songs)

Anyway this is now officially the best show i've ever been to and probably will ever be too.

Holy Grail opened both shows and they were really fun both nights, Seven kingdoms also opened and while they were decent their sets kind of dragged but something compensated. ;)

Both nights I was at the front of the crowd and both times the singer chick of Seven Kingdoms kept winking at me and pointing at me, and I hung out with her after both shows for a bit.

Let's just say we exchanged numbers and facebooks and will definitely hang out next time they're touring in the area again. ;)

I also met all the guys in Blind Guardian with the sole exception of Markus - which is amazing. :D

Anyone who doesn't see Blind Guardian if they ever get the chance fails at life.

At 11/22/10 01:29 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Iron Maiden coming to my city next August. Yay or nay?

Nay, Iron Maiden is surprisingly boring live(saw them in june with Dream Theater) and they are highly overrated.

Also, I got the new Allen-Lande album. I recommend it, even if it's a little slower than most Power Metal.

And a bit poppier, but it's still awesome

At 11/22/10 10:25 AM, SohlTofang wrote: I just blew my fucking ears out listening to some Cannabal Corpse, Fuck yeah.

God forbid you blew them out listening to something half-decent.

At 11/22/10 06:34 PM, AniMetal wrote:
Anyone who doesn't see Blind Guardian if they ever get the chance fails at life.

Unfortunately they're coming here as well in a couple weeks but I just can't afford it. Not to mention I'm going to Gwar the night before Blind Guardian. I'm sure they'll be back, hopefully when im employed than.

Welcome back, Bonemill!

I got some more metal.

Mekong Delta - Dances of Death
Mekong Delta - Kaleidoscope
Ihsahn - Angl
Ihsahn - After
John Petrucci - Suspended Animation
Negura Bunget - Virstele Pamintului
Kylesa - Time Will Fuse Its Worth
Kylesa - Static Tensions
Zebulon Pike - And Blood Was Passion
Zebulon Pike - II: the Deafening Twilight
Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
Black Math Horseman - Wyllt
Lesbian - Stratospheria Cubensis
Kailash - Past Changing Fast

I haven't yet listened to a lot of these. And I seem to have lost Zebulon Pike - Intransience. It's not on my Zune anymore.