Two things:

1. Yes, I've become a BBS mod now hence the gold aura.
2. I forgot to mention this yesterday but on Friday night I was at the same venue for a party and I was amazed at the music they played. I heard Amon Amarth, Finntroll and even Alestorm which my friends all air violined too. That's right, air violining. :P

At 8/28/10 10:24 AM, MaraquanWocky wrote: I wanna ask what you think of these bands...

I'm going to throw my thoughts in on the said bands for the heck of it.

Pantera

Only ever owned Cowboys and Vulgar. Despite what others may say, I think they're good albums but not great.

White Zombie

I only ever heard one song from them and that was in Guitar Hero III.

Metallica

Still love the first four albums. Black album and Death Magnetic are so-so. Funny enough, I bought Garage Inc the other day and it's alright. It's a shame their cover album didn't give bands like Budgie more recognition.

Tool

I have two of their albums and they're alright.

Disturbed

Lost interest ages ago.

Alice in Chains

I only have the album Dirt but it's really good. I really love the song Them Bones, especially when I heard the riff borrowed in Doom II.

Black Sabbath

Awesome, awesome to the max.

Deathstars

I heard them a few times but that was YEARS ago!

At 8/28/10 11:15 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 8/28/10 10:35 PM, AniMetal wrote: What's a good ministry album to check out? I haven't really listened to them before but i've heard about them a lot.

Rio Grande Blood, it's their most metal and probably the best I would say.

I've only listened to Pslam 69 which I think is good except for the odd track. I suppose Rio Grande Blood is the next Ministry album I'll have to get. I'll keep it in mind if I'm craving for more industrial metal.

At 8/29/10 04:35 AM, AniMetal wrote: Every Fates Warning album is amazing and worth checking out, but these three in particular are worth checking out.

Sadly, I wasn't particularly fond of Parallels, Inside Out and Disconnected. Despite that, I'm still looking into getting The Spectre Within.

At 8/29/10 08:37 AM, Bahamut wrote: I heard Amon Amarth, Finntroll and even Alestorm

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOU

<3

which my friends all air violined too. That's right, air violining. :P

Epic, me and my mates did that during Live For The Kill :D

At 8/28/10 10:24 AM, MaraquanWocky wrote: I wanna ask what you think of these bands...
Pantera

Love it

White Zombie

Not bad

Metallica

Everyone must love it, at least a little bit.

Tool

Very nice.

Disturbed

Hate them. Boring!

Alice in Chains

Niiiceee.

Black Sabbath

I don't like them very much because they're not my style anymore but they're awesome.

Deathstars

Meh, I don't dislike them and I've been listening to Industrial Goth a lot, but there are better Industrial Goth bands like Razed in Black, Dyoxide, Skinny Puppy and Leather Strip.

Just want to know. :\

At 8/28/10 10:24 AM, MaraquanWocky wrote: Pantera

Alright.

White Zombie

Meh

Metallica

First 4 albums were awesome, Black album was good, and anything post-sellout except for ReLoad sucks.

Tool

Alright

Disturbed

Got over them a while ago.

Alice in Chains

Awesome.

Black Sabbath

Gods.

Deathstars

Never heard.

At 8/29/10 07:10 AM, PenisClown wrote: It's not A Pleasant Shade Of Gray. It's the first disc of Still Life. Which sucks because Still Life is my favourite Opeth album and one of my favourite albums ever and a band actually beat Opeth to the punch and already called an album that and that song might not even be as depressing as that fact. I has a sad.

Actually, Still Life is the name of a LIVE album.

A Pleasant Shade Of Gray is the name of the studio version.

At 8/29/10 08:37 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 8/29/10 04:35 AM, AniMetal wrote: Every Fates Warning album is amazing and worth checking out, but these three in particular are worth checking out.

Sadly, I wasn't particularly fond of Parallels, Inside Out and Disconnected. Despite that, I'm still looking into getting The Spectre Within.

Well parallels and Inside out, you have to have a huge appreciation for power ballad bands and whatnot. I enjoy bands like Boston, heart, etc. so I really enjoyed those two.

And I don't know what you dislike about disconnected, still remains is an AMAZING song. :)

I like Stratovarius.

What does your debut album "Bergtatt" sound like now?

"I haven't listened to it for a few years, but I'm still proud of it. Considering my age, my environment and the things I was interested in, it was ok, but it's past culture nonetheless.

What the fuck is past culture anyway? I think Garm can't even listen to his music the way his fans do. I've realised that a lot of musicians, while they make great music, are not really good at enjoying good music or at least, don't know where to look... In the same interview, Garm talks about Dimmu Borgir and doesn't seem to realise that Dimmu Borgir makes commercial Symphonic Black Metal... I mean come on, they have a song on Hellboy's soundtrack!

Then you regressed and made "Nattens Madrigal". This album is the absolute favourite of many people and one of the milestones in the history of black metal.

"At the time we did it we were very interested in traditional black metal, and "Bergtatt" wasn't brutal enough in our opinion. It is always hard to explain the changes within our style, the reasons are rather complicate. The album was finished before "Kveldssanger", but Century Media didn't agree to publish it until '97. And we didn't record the album in the forest as the rumours tell!! The riffs became original because we listened to a lot of different music at the time, and we sort of placed rock/pop riffs into a brutal context. It was great that we managed to do something as brutal."

So I guess you were wrong Denta... they did not record this album in the forest :P

At least he's not being a total douchebag to all his earlier work...

What did the other members think of being kicked out?

"I'm still in terms with them, but we can use the computer to create better bass lines, drums et cetera, so we don't need them, the machines have taken their places. I formed Ulver so the decision is mine. The other members still play metal, but they weren't talented enough to make electronic music. However they like the new style. These days I am responsible for all vocals and a half of the programming, and Tore does the other half of the programming."

I'm tired of reading all this shit. The guy can't fucking respect Metal and it's easy to see when you read inbetween the lines. He says otherwise, but I think it's a stupid hypocritical lie. He can't even respect the awesome musicians who played with him on Ulver and he's being a total douche to all the people who worked with him before. He's being just like Dave Mustaine "I started this band, so I do whatever the fuck I want with it." Right... and let's never give any credits to all the guys who helped you make Ulver famous. He never was alone in this, and he can't even realise this.

Anyway... I'll get back on this later. I'd like to get your opinions on this guys. Cause as much as I love Ulver, I think Garm is kind of pretentious and that he cannot seem to understand even how his own work was good and how the scene it belongs to is a scene composed by countless great artists. I also think that he doesn't give enough credits to the other guys working with him. Also, his stupid post-modernist views are just what they are... stupid and pointless...

btw guys, the text in Bold in my previous post is the questions of the interviewer, the sentences with "quotation marks" are Garm's answer and the text in normal caracters are my own comments on the questions and answer. Just so you guys don't get confused. I'd really like to get answer from you guys on this matter :) Thanks a lot :)

I don't see the point of replacing the members with machines, you're going to need a real person playing it at some point, why bother with the machines at all.

I can't say I agree with you, Duff. Ulver and Garm are one and the same; the other musicians were for all intents and purposes permanent studio musicians. He had every right to kick them out, as the style was changing and they couldn't play the music he wanted to. If it wasn't those guys in the band, it would have been other musicians, so to say that they helped propel Ulver to fame would be inaccurate. Ulver has never been a collaborative project. I pretty much agree with everything Garm said in that interview.

At 8/29/10 07:40 PM, SomaGuye wrote: I don't see the point of replacing the members with machines, you're going to need a real person playing it at some point, why bother with the machines at all.

Ulver doesn't tour, and they've got four members to work programming and sequencers if they need to perform live.

How's here really enjoy Tool?

Also, Duff, that interview is almost 7 years old. Dimmu weren't nearly as popular at that point as they are now.

Destroyer 666 were playing nearby yesterday along with enthroned! It was fucking brutal!

At 8/29/10 07:44 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I can't say I agree with you, Duff. Ulver and Garm are one and the same; the other musicians were for all intents and purposes permanent studio musicians. He had every right to kick them out, as the style was changing and they couldn't play the music he wanted to. If it wasn't those guys in the band, it would have been other musicians, so to say that they helped propel Ulver to fame would be inaccurate. Ulver has never been a collaborative project. I pretty much agree with everything Garm said in that interview.

He said in the interview that he is not the only one who write their music. So these guys have influenced the songwritting at some point. Just like in Megadeth. Maybe Mustaine writes most of the shit, but you got to wonder why the drums were so awesome on Rust In Peace. And the reason is obvious. Replacing the musicians because they do not fit the genre you want your band to evolve to is something, saying they are "not talented enough to play electro" is just pretentious. If you can read in-between the lines, he's obviously saying electro is a far much more sophisticated and awesome musical genre than black meta and/or metal in general. There is no such thing as being "not talented enough". If a guy has a specialisation in black metal or just metal in general, you shouldn't expect him to be a good "electro" musician or whatever you call them. Plus, they don't even use that much guitars and shit on their newer stuff, how could their former guitarist be "not talented enough" to be a part of the new Ulver?
Even if the band really does belong to him, why is it that he cannot have some kind of respect for the guys who helped him put this together. Yes, they may have been studio members like you said, yes it could have been someone else playing the music, but it wasn't. It was these guys. And even if they didn't take a big part in the songwritting, they were talented enough to shred the riffs on Nattens Madrigal and make it sound right.

Talking about Dimmu Borgir... they were always a Symphonic Black Metal band. So even if they were not a famous band, they were playing a musical genre that was far away from Black Metal originaly was. I've always considered BM and SBM to be two totally different musical genres. And while Garm could have mentionned bands like Mayhem, Agalloch, Drudkh (formed in 2002, released their first album in 2003.. how old did you say that interview was?) Peste Noire, Negur%u0103 Bunget, Burzum and other black metal bands... I'm not a big fan of Black Metal and some other could name you great Black Metal acts that still record nowadays... And... while they may not be a black metal band anymore... wasn't Arcturus a good black metal band? He sure did say they were a good band. So why the fuck is he saying that black metal is dead?

Yo. Death/thrash fans here should check out Protected Illusion. I know I've mentioned them before, but they're really great. Finnish death/thrash in the vein of bands like Morbid Saint and Sadus.

Black metal is only 'dead' in Garm's eyes because it's got sellouts and it's way more gay now than it used to be because there are bands that play shitty gay sympho goth shit now, but in 1993 there were a lot less shitty black metal bands so it was respectable. Doesn't mean bands don't play awesome black metal nowadays but the undergroundnessness and the awesomenessness outweighed the faggotry back in the day. In The Nightside Eclipse even makes synths work awesomely unlike today.

he probably just mentioned dimmu borgir because they're fairly well-known for black metal and he was making a point by saying that even though they're popular they're not commercial in a traditional sense

At 8/30/10 02:52 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: he probably just mentioned dimmu borgir because they're fairly well-known for black metal and he was making a point by saying that even though they're popular they're not commercial in a traditional sense

That still doesn't change the fact that they are not black metal.
I also like how Garm tries to dissociate himself from the black metal scene. Even when he is asked about his work with Borknagar and some other band I can't bother finding the name, he just goes "oh well, it was just to help some buds" or "I was not a big part of this, I was just doing the vocals"

That's pretty much what I hate the most. It's how hypocritical he is. He doesn't stop saying how much he respect Metal but on the other hand, he cannot stop bitching (subtly) on everysingle black metal project mentionned during the interview. Remember I mentionned the part when he talks about how the former musicians of Ulver were "not talented enough to play electro". He's being pretentious, elitist and hypocritical, all at the same time.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great artist and as I said previously, I don't really care if he kicks the other guys out of the band all the time. That's his own project after all. You don't have to be a bitch to all of those who couldn't keep up with your awesomeness.

Anyway, you guys listenned to all of Ulver's work? So far, I have listenned to Bergtatt, Nattens Madrigal, Kveldssanger, Perdition City, Blood Inside, Svidd Neger and I'm listenning to Themes From William Blake's The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell, right now.

My favorite of the Black Metal era is Bergtatt and so far, I know Perdition City and Svidd Neger are my favorite Electro/Ambient albums. I listenned to Blood Inside just once, but I have to say that it really didn't catch my ear. Will give it another try later.

So, I just ate a leg of goat for dinner. None of this knife (well, I sort of needed a knife to clean the bone in some parts) and fork bullshit. I picked that leg up and ate it straight off the bone. It was so metal.

Discuss.

Sorry D3nt if you...well..you know, being vegetarian and everything :3

Garm just likes electronic music now. His own taste really. I mean he was only really a 'singer' in a black metal band. I don't think he's really pretentious. Arcturus is hell avante-garde black metal anyway. They're fucking awesome. Anyway Garm is sick and has a brilliant musical mind to make albums like 'PERDITION CITY' and 'WILLIAM BLAKE' and the statement he made with their latest album, playing all softy brass stuff. Well that's just really unique. Blood Inside is awesome I just prefer Perdition City for some reason.

Just to give you all a heads up, if there's anyone acting like a complete dick in the Metal Hell, please leave them be and allow myself or another mod to deal with the trouble maker.

To the user DaBEEF who was talking about Tool, unfortunately they don't meet the standards of the Metal Hell. Most of us relate bands like Tool to rock more than metal and the more appropriate place to talk about them in C&C will be the Progressive Rock Club.

At 8/29/10 12:23 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 8/29/10 08:37 AM, Bahamut wrote: I heard Amon Amarth, Finntroll and even Alestorm

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOU

I've been told I can request the place any song and they'll see what they can do. I'll be surprised if they can even get something like Brocas Helm on their hands but hey, if they did, that's some promotion for the band.

At 8/29/10 01:25 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/29/10 08:37 AM, Bahamut wrote: Sadly, I wasn't particularly fond of Parallels, Inside Out and Disconnected. Despite that, I'm still looking into getting The Spectre Within.

Well parallels and Inside out, you have to have a huge appreciation for power ballad bands and whatnot. I enjoy bands like Boston, heart, etc. so I really enjoyed those two.

The way you compare those albums to bands like Boston and Heart is really interesting. They're some of the bands I intend to get into someday.

And I don't know what you dislike about disconnected, still remains is an AMAZING song. :)

Maybe I just haven't clicked onto it yet. After all, it happened to Opeth and now they're one of my favourite bands. Still, I much prefer Awaken the Guardian and No Exit.

At 8/29/10 05:34 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I like Stratovarius.

Yes, they're good except for a few bad apples.

At 8/30/10 08:27 AM, PenisClown wrote: Garm just likes electronic music now. His own taste really. I mean he was only really a 'singer' in a black metal band. I don't think he's really pretentious. Arcturus is hell avante-garde black metal anyway. They're fucking awesome. Anyway Garm is sick and has a brilliant musical mind to make albums like 'PERDITION CITY' and 'WILLIAM BLAKE' and the statement he made with their latest album, playing all softy brass stuff. Well that's just really unique. Blood Inside is awesome I just prefer Perdition City for some reason.

Perdition City is just brilliant, no wonder why you like them so much. It's also my favorite album by Ulver. I'll try to get my hands on some of Arcturus stuff. Anywhere I should start? I'd also like to get more into Borknagar. I've heard their second album is their best. Might just start my journey from this point :)

At 8/30/10 03:37 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Perdition City is just brilliant, no wonder why you like them so much. It's also my favorite album by Ulver. I'll try to get my hands on some of Arcturus stuff. Anywhere I should start? I'd also like to get more into Borknagar. I've heard their second album is their best. Might just start my journey from this point :)

For Arcturus, start with the La Masquerade Infernale and then get Sham Mirrors. Sideshow Symphonies isn't that great (and it doesn't have Garm) and I haven't heard their first album much but it's pretty good.

Did anyone care when Miika Tenkula died?

At 8/29/10 08:04 PM, DaBEEF wrote: How's here really enjoy Tool?

If by that you mean who enjoys Tool, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Huge fucking fanboy here :3

At 8/30/10 06:39 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 8/29/10 08:04 PM, DaBEEF wrote: How's here really enjoy Tool?

If by that you mean who enjoys Tool, MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Huge fucking fanboy here :3

Same here. Pissed that their new album is being delayed to mid-to-late next year.

At 8/28/10 08:59 PM, SomaGuye wrote:

At 8/28/10 08:54 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Liking industrial metal that isn't Godflesh? I am disappointed.

You got a problem with Ministry bub?

Two words: Red Harvest.

At 8/30/10 05:52 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: So, I just ate a leg of goat for dinner. None of this knife (well, I sort of needed a knife to clean the bone in some parts) and fork bullshit. I picked that leg up and ate it straight off the bone. It was so metal.

Discuss.

Bamf and stuff... I guess.
I love eating lamb that way too.

or human...

At 8/30/10 05:52 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

Sorry D3nt if you...well..you know, being vegetarian and everything :3

oh god i just puked a hundred times yucky gross

nah it's cool i don't mind hahaha. surprised you remember though!