At 5/24/10 10:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Im pleased to see that slipknot is dieing off,

You just don't say shit like that.

If you listen to Slipknot's demo stuff, you'd find that Gray was actually a fucking amazing bassist. I'd go as far to say that he's better than at least 90% of metal bassists out there today.

Now, I'm not a fan of Slipknot, and wouldn't call them metal. But they have done a lot for metal. Think of how many thousands of Metalheads started out with Slipknot and Trivium and the like before moving on to the good stuff.

It's always sad to see someone die. Especially a musician as talented and dedicated as Paul.

RIP Paul Gray.

38 is far, far to young an age to go.

He will be missed.

I know for most of you, Anal Cunt doesn't play Baroque era classical music, but for me....

At 5/25/10 01:54 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 5/25/10 01:12 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I won't discuss, but you can't just say I'm totally wrong, you can't build other peoples opinion,

tldr

It's not a matter of opinion. Slipknot isn't metal.

Ok, I can accept what you're saying, but first you must give me a good argument telling me how Slipknot is not Metal.

At 5/25/10 01:54 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:
Now, I'm not a fan of Slipknot, and wouldn't call them metal. But they have done a lot for metal. Think of how many thousands of Metalheads started out with Slipknot and Trivium and the like before moving on to the good stuff.

I started with Queens of the Stone Age and S.O.A.D. for example. But yeah, Slipknot and Trivium can be a good start for the Metal world, since they're not that extreme, and easy to listen to.

At 5/25/10 02:03 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote:

It's not a matter of opinion. Slipknot isn't metal.

Ok, I can accept what you're saying, but first you must give me a good argument telling me how Slipknot is not Metal.

I don't owe an explanation for an established fact. If you're interested, you can look for Goatchrist's long post on that. He calmly explained it to some raving asshole who came here a while ago, the turntables and rapping, the style of guitar work, etc. enjoy digging.

Slipknot isn't metal because they have very little in common with metal. End of discussion.
If you think Slipknot is metal, I bet you think stuff like Phil Collins and Rush is metal too.

At 5/25/10 01:51 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote:

I think I understand why you guys always shit on Slipknot, because maybe in your country Slipknot is very popular.

Slipknot is whored here. I remember a time when they kept slipknot underground and that was fine back then I didn't hate them then. I only hated them when they got rediculious over played and overrated. Back then it was looked apon as an evil band, nowadays they play there songs on the radio.

Ryan said : Thats just something you don't say.

Tell me Ryan, why should I care about human life? We are born into a world where we are mislead to think it's a safe peaceful world. As we grow we learn how much of a fucked up world we live in. I may have over reacted last night but why should I care about one single human being?

At 5/25/10 02:14 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Tell me Ryan, why should I care about human life? We are born into a world where we are mislead to think it's a safe peaceful world. As we grow we learn how much of a fucked up world we live in. I may have over reacted last night but why should I care about one single human being?

Because pretending to give a fuck about someone you don't know or even like is better than being a complete douchebag. That's pretty much the sentiment in here.

At 5/25/10 02:13 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Rush is metal too.

Rush is so awesome, they might as well be metal.

Also for my fellow North Americans, Cynic will be touring in july/august - check their myspace if you want the dates.

nobody responded to my question :(

I was bored and I remember that there was a huge debate about slipknot being/not being metal on the page I joined this club.

So it took me five minutes to find this:

"Guys, it's fun to read how you all contradict each other in your reasons why Slipknot is metal/not metal/gay/etc. Metal is neither defined by fanbase nor by looks or popularity.

Slipknot is not metal due to their music being mainly hardcore influenced (downtuned single-note chugging on the lowest guitar string is typical for hardcore and has never been a metal characteristic before the arrival of Groove Metal in the 90s, which was created by adding OUTSIDE influences).

Their clean singing is in no way metal. The hooklines, the certain usage of melody is highly reminiscent of pop music. (Don't be offended again CHRIST, I'm purely objective) Clean heavy metal vocals do have an entirely different approach. No matter whether the band plays oldschool heavy metal, doom metal or power metal. All styles are related to each other. Rapping is an outside influence and therefore not exactly "metal" if you see what I mean. If there was a band playing music similar to Cannibal Corpse with a rapper on vocals, it would still be metal, albeit an outside influence would have found its way in. But a band like Slipknot, with no musical foundation in heavy metal, but plenty of it in hardcore, is not metal. I'll make a list for you:

Slipknot influence analysis:

Guitars - single note hardcore chugging + typical modern rock riffs = not metal
Vocals - melodic singing with poppish structure + hardcore screaming/yelling = not metal
Bass - it's easy to hear that it's ranging from typical rock to funk bass lines. = not metal
Drums - 80 bpm rock beats, repetition, rare cymbals + doublebass = rock/hardcore/metal
Turntables - Best case - funk inspired, worst case - scratching without purpose = not metal
Trash cans - no further comments needed = not metal, barely music at all

So, what do we have here?

Slipknot is a hardcore band. I've always seen the band like this and in my humble opinion, the use of the term "nu-metal" is absolutely unnecessary for the most part, due to it's core being nothing more than modern hardcore. Slipknot is mainly hardcore mixed with modern rock. The rather new term "Aggro-rock" would definitely fit. The only thing that is even remotely metal AT TIMES is the drumming due its rather complex nature for a hardcore band.

Alright now? I've tried my best to explain."

Hope that's the post you meant.

At 5/25/10 03:18 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: nobody responded to my question :(

Depends on the genre and more specifically, the indivual band or whatever.

It's way too vague of a question to answer easily.

At 5/25/10 03:18 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: nobody responded to my question :(

Depends on the genre and more specifically, the indivual band or whatever.

It's way too vague of a question to answer easily.

well, im kind of confused about what u said, but what i mean is, what do u think of a genre which isnt metal from what uve heard of it?

At 5/25/10 03:28 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: well, im kind of confused about what u said, but what i mean is, what do u think of a genre which isnt metal from what uve heard of it?

We all like non-metal genres.

I don't think a single true metal head limits themselves to PURELY metal music.

I for one, like a lot of punk, GOOD hardcore, progressive rock, ambient, folk and indie pop.

At 5/25/10 03:41 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 5/25/10 03:28 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: well, im kind of confused about what u said, but what i mean is, what do u think of a genre which isnt metal from what uve heard of it?

We all like non-metal genres.

I don't think a single true metal head limits themselves to PURELY metal music.

I for one, like a lot of punk, GOOD hardcore, progressive rock, ambient, folk and indie pop.

got a point there, i mostly listen to metal, but i still listen to rock, hip hop, acid house, drum n bass and other stuff, but i HATE pop

I prefer oldschool music, I just can't stand any of today's mainstream music. Metal or not.

Stuff I do like:
Jazz
Old blues
Old pop
Swing
Old Rock

At 5/25/10 03:54 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I prefer oldschool music, I just can't stand any of today's mainstream music. Metal or not. - too right, the musicv everybody listens to disgusts me

Stuff I do like:

Old pop - wel i dont exactly hate it, but its not as bad as newer crap

Old Rock - who doesnt?!

(just to make it a non fulkly quoted message, this is here)

At 5/24/10 11:20 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: question time (i know this isnt exactly metal related, but im just wondering):

whats everyones opinion on other genres of music, genres which arent metal related, like rap, hip hop, pop, acid house, techno, trance, etc? note, dont say they are crap because of modern day crap, ive heard good hip hop from the 80s and whatnot

I listen to all genres of music, and i find it stupid that restricting yourself to certain genres is often encouraged in the metal community, and that people who listen to certain bands are castigated.
People take this shit way too seriously.
I also listen to various untr00 metal bands such as Trivium and Killswitch engage.

At 5/25/10 03:49 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: got a point there, i mostly listen to metal,

Same, but I still listen to a lot of other stuff.

but i still listen to rock, hip hop, acid house, drum n bass and other stuff,

I'm not a particular fan of any of these genres, except progressive rock which falls under rock.

but i HATE pop

Depends on the pop artist for me. Stuff like this is utter pure shit.

But I dig pop like this and a lot of 80's and early 90's pop.

At 5/25/10 04:09 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 5/25/10 03:49 PM, ZimTehRular wrote: got a point there, i mostly listen to metal,

Same, but I still listen to a lot of other stuff.

but i still listen to rock, hip hop, acid house, drum n bass and other stuff,

I'm not a particular fan of any of these genres, except progressive rock which falls under rock.

but i HATE pop

Depends on the pop artist for me. Stuff like this is utter pure shit.

But I dig pop like this and a lot of 80's and early 90's pop.

cool :) listen to
this and tell me what u think

I listen to all genres of music, and i find it stupid that restricting yourself to certain genres is often encouraged in the metal community, and that people who listen to certain bands are castigated.
People take this shit way too seriously.
I also listen to various untr00 metal bands such as Trivium and Killswitch engage.

i also listen to a bit of untrue metal, i have a korn album (greatest hits vol 1)

oh, and i dont restrict myself to certain genres, well, i do a bit, as in i dont listen to pop or rap, but other than that im kind of open, minus to screamo aswell

At 5/25/10 01:04 AM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 5/24/10 10:06 PM, michelinman wrote: This thread was named Metal Hell, not Death Metal Hell, and bands like slipknot, disturbed, korn, system of a down, and lamb of god are some of the most widely listened to bands in all of Metal.

These bands aren't metal and that assertion isn't based on some preconceived notion of superiority. They've simply strayed too far from metal or drawn too much influence from other genres. That said, your puerile rant on gutturals as well as the one on songs of 15 minute length show that not only are you clearly biased but that you also know little to nothing about metal or its history. I realize a bunch of the people here are idiots and incapable of stringing together even three sentences of worth but you aren't much better. If at all.

Man... I really hope he won't try to make a comeback after this...
I only mentionned Death Metal in my example cause it's my favorite genre. What I really meant is that Death Metal never was influenced by Slipknot, even bands that started making music after Slipknot... cause they obviously are influenced by other Death Metal bands.

Plus... the kid doesn't know shit about metal... He talks about 15 minutes songs with no progressions... but just fails to understand that bands who make long tracks... usually are doom, drone, sludge or prog. So... some of these bands are making repetitive and simple riffs on purpose... and others play the most progressive musical genre in the fucking world...

Last but not least... he seems to think that popularity and the fact that a Nu-Metal band as influenced other popular Nu-Metal bands... is making Slipknot one of the most influencial bands in Metal. First... they are not metal... second... Death... Megadeth... Morbid Angel... Sodom... THOSE ARE INFLUENCIAL BANDS.

At 5/25/10 12:41 AM, smeagol1 wrote: Your a bunch of vaginas.

For the love of god would you please be quiet? A room full of monkeys could bang out a work rivaling that of Shakespeare before you post something that's not completely insipid.

I lol'ed

At 5/25/10 05:07 AM, Bahamut wrote: I remember Johnathon Davies correcting an interviewer regarding nu-metal and how it's not meant to be metal. See, even the lead member of the nu-metal founding band admits the genre isn't metal.

Yes please, listen to that jump da fuck up bitch :)
He makes a lot of sense :P

But seriously... anyone who thinks that Nu-Metal is true Metal, obviously doesn't know shit about metal.

At 5/25/10 03:41 PM, AniMetal wrote:

I don't think a single true metal head limits themselves to PURELY metal music.

We obviously don't. True metalheads will love music before they will love metal music.

I for one, like a lot of punk, GOOD hardcore, progressive rock, ambient, folk and indie pop.

I like Ambient, Post-Rock, Rock (like Clapton), Folk, Progressive Rock, Some metalcore, some deathcore, Jazz, Blues, Trance...

just some discussions I had with mr. megadeth

Ok. Tell you what. Death sucks, again. Rust In Peace, Peace Sells, Killing is my Business and Endgame kick Death ass in EVERY EXISTING WAY. Second, Dave is not that awesome guitarist, but Marty Friedman do, and Chris Broderick, and all of Megadeth guitarist exept Chris Poland. Death dont sounds that good to me, Im sorry, I cant stand those gay vocals. And second, Megadeth is maybe the bigger influence in metal whit Slayer and Metallica. So Im so sorry, I barely know that Death exist. They are not in music history as an important band and they are not that talented. They just invented new shit. Like nu metal, black metal, and death metal. Thrash metal is the only real metal whit the classic heavy metal. Like Led Zeppelin, as I can see in your nick. But well...BTW. IT NEVER WILL BE A ALBUM LIKE PEACE SELLS, THE SONGS ON THAT ALBUM ARE UNBEATABLE !... Good Morning Black Friday rapes any Death song.

cont

Death Metal is far from what real metal is. Heavy Metal comes from Sabbath, Purple and Zeppelin, then pass to Priest and Motorhead, mix whit punk borns Thrash. Thats the best lineup between classic metal and a new metal level. Death is far away of this point. Screamo is shit, grow or whatever you want to call the horse raped voice. Death is metal ya...but like Black Metal, it suck balls.Ok. Solos suck, no feeling, no real complexity. Riff sucks.Drums sucks, too much double bass, just like Slayer drums.Vocals double suck balls, that kind of singing is gay and lame to real metal.Bass lines are weak.Lyrics are stupid...Now, being politic, they dont sound that bad ok? Death have some nice songs. But the lyrics ruin it a lot. But they are not better than Thrash, and of course they CANT beat Megadeth. Maybe, even Testament sounds better than Death, and I dont like new metal so much. Thats a plus for thrash.

moar

Death Metal sounds like Black Metal, and sucks, old or new wave. That gnre suck balls. Just like your taste. Megadeth lyrics talks about real stuff, politics, social and real agressive stuff. Philosophy? Death talks about shit and Satanic gore posers. Like Black, so shut up troll and dont tell me what is metal and what is not metal. That music is shit. Like the nu metal. Fucking posers damn.

last of it so far

I just search some information to talk whit more property about Death, and I was right. They are not important. They were influential in DEATH metal, not in Metal in general, as Megadeth. They dont even exist in any important place. Megadeth is a complete kickass band. Perfect in all the ways of a Metal Band. Death is good. But you cant compare it to Megadeth, NEVERAnd I hope you realize this before you feel pathetic liking screaming shitty music.

Will you ever shut the freakin hell up with all your fucking shit?

Go listen to fuckin Blood Red Throne and Origin, than dare to fucking tell me they sound like black metal. So stop stealing fuckin random rants about death metal from other douche bags, write your own stuff and learn about Death Metal and understand that it fuckin rapes. It has good technical work, a lot of progression, a fucking lot of tempo variations, awesome vocal work, creative riffs, great powerful and audible bass, fast... heavy... technical drumming, good feeling...

Now go be a fuckin crybaby elsewhere. There is still a way to express your opinion without being a dick though...

At 5/25/10 04:45 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: But he was still a terrible bassist

Yeah...No.

At 5/25/10 04:58 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 5/25/10 04:45 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: But he was still a terrible bassist

Yeah...No.

Exactly what I said. It's not cause you play simple stuff that you are not good...

Attention TheSporkLord and his five post rant about how much death and black metal suck:

No.

Also, Death's lyrics are amazing. Just sayin'

At 5/25/10 04:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Will you ever shut the freakin hell up with all your fucking shit?

Go listen to fuckin Blood Red Throne and Origin, than dare to fucking tell me they sound like black metal. So stop stealing fuckin random rants about death metal from other douche bags, write your own stuff and learn about Death Metal and understand that it fuckin rapes. It has good technical work, a lot of progression, a fucking lot of tempo variations, awesome vocal work, creative riffs, great powerful and audible bass, fast... heavy... technical drumming, good feeling...

Now go be a fuckin crybaby elsewhere. There is still a way to express your opinion without being a dick though...

Hey man I love death metal and I'd be willing to argue with any stupid jack ass in order to preserve its awesomeness. In any other case or genre I'd be willing to let someone say what they want, but the second they diss my DM i get beyond pissed.

At 5/25/10 04:50 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

Death Metal sounds like Black Metal, and sucks, old or new wave. That gnre suck balls.

Nuff Said...