At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Dude... It's like you are saying Eminem revolutionised Metal...
He may have revolutionised his own genre... but surely not metal.

Wut. Guitar riffs and drum fills that you see everywhere were first created by Slipknot. Even melody between singing and guitar to a heavy beat was pretty experimental when Slipknot first did it. Wait and Bleed was one of the first heavy songs with actual singing in it. That has carried over into a lot of what you call metal, whatever that may be. If you can't see more of a correlation between aggressive rhythms and driving drumb tracks to metal than witty anecdotes about how big of a bitch eminems mom is, then you're just being ignorant.

And Slipknot is not Metal...

Oh this goes without saying. I'm sure you've got some fancy title for it you found on wikipedia. Don't really care. If you've got fast rhythms with complicated drum beats and intense vocals all wrapped together to bring on a severe feeling of fuck yes, that's metal. Don't really bother with classifying it all like a goddamn scientist.

At 5/24/10 09:41 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Dude... It's like you are saying Eminem revolutionised Metal...
He may have revolutionised his own genre... but surely not metal.

Wut. Guitar riffs and drum fills that you see everywhere were first created by Slipknot. Even melody between singing and guitar to a heavy beat was pretty experimental when Slipknot first did it. Wait and Bleed was one of the first heavy songs with actual singing in it. That has carried over into a lot of what you call metal, whatever that may be. If you can't see more of a correlation between aggressive rhythms and driving drumb tracks to metal than witty anecdotes about how big of a bitch eminems mom is, then you're just being ignorant.

And Slipknot is not Metal...

Oh this goes without saying. I'm sure you've got some fancy title for it you found on wikipedia. Don't really care. If you've got fast rhythms with complicated drum beats and intense vocals all wrapped together to bring on a severe feeling of fuck yes, that's metal. Don't really bother with classifying it all like a goddamn scientist.

now, i dont know slipknot that well, but to me it looks lke ur talking a whole load of bullshit on a forum for proper metal (not saying slipknot arent, but seeing as people have said they arent then ive gotta agree with them)

seriously, it sounds like ur talking out of ur ass

At 5/24/10 09:25 PM, michelinman wrote: Stuff

HAHAHAHAHAHA, ohhhh my sides, they hurt! STOP STOP! I...can't...breathe, oh god, that was a good laugh. Seriously though you need to listen to more artists.

Most of the guys in here will tell you they are Nu-Metal. Which is a new genre... that is somewhat influenced by metal... but that really shouldn't have been named this way since the riffs structures are more similar to rock riff structures... but with more distortition. They put a lot of agressivity and anger in their music... but Agressivity and Anger is not what makes a Metal band...

Just listen to stuff like Isis... They really are not one of these uber-heavy metal bands... That's not making them... less metal...

Slipknot is a nu-metal band, and nu metal literally means not metal. This is how I know they're not metal.

Also, my condolences to #2's family. But fear not, another #2 will be found quickly. After all, he was just a number in a mask. Hahahaha.

We've been over this a million times. Slipknot, not metal, fact. all loud aggressive music with guitar =/= metal.

Slipknot revolutionizing metal. That's funny. I can't think of one metal band that's been influenced by Slipknot. Maybe that Satanoccio band, or however you spell their name, but only in their image. I can possibly think of non-metal bands that are commonly mistaken for metal that have been influenced by this non-metal band that is commonly mistaken for metal, though.

At 5/24/10 09:14 PM, smeagol1 wrote: One down eight to go.

lets prey dick neck Cory Taylor dies next.

hoho predictability

At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: surely not metal. And Slipknot is not Metal...

And Slipknot... influences Nu-Metal... BECAUSE THEY ARE NU-METAL !!!

Was this just a blatant mistake, or do you actually have a point that isn't contradicted by this?

At 5/24/10 09:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And em... No Slipknot drumming, even if Joey Jordison is by far the best musician of Slipknot, did not influence a lot of metal...

Listen to Blood Red Throne, Origin, Death, Morbid Angel, Benighted, Blotted Science...
Tell me how these Death Metal bands could have been influenced by Slipknot... while most of them have been making music for longer than them?

I didn't say Death Metal? Nu-Metal is still metal unless Nu is synonymous with non, or anti. Not really sure. But I think it's pretty obvious that I wasn't referring to Slipknots influence on 80's bands. There wasn't really a need to throw that argument out. This thread was started by a guy who will forever be Kornfreaker to me. That was his username back in the day. Needless to say, he was a huge Korn fan, which if I'm not mistaken would be considered "Nu" Metal.

This thread was named Metal Hell, not Death Metal Hell, and bands like slipknot, disturbed, korn, system of a down, and lamb of god are some of the most widely listened to bands in all of Metal, regardless of whatever title you want to put on it, and are just as much metal as any of the crazy 15 minute, play the same 3 minute segment over and over with a little 5 minute soft part in the middle shit you guys listen to. Not to mention the annoying ass guttural grunts where the singers just try to make as deep a noise they can, regardless of whether or not you can understand what he's saying.

All music has its flaws, and all has it pros. Quit being such a douche about it like you're some connoisseur and know all there is to know because you downloaded some CD's. There's a lot more to metal than you guys give credit. Open your eyes a little and quit being so closed minded. It really makes music more enjoyable. Anyways, I'm off unless anyone else has a VALID point to make. Not gonna argue with LOLOLOL HE LIEKS SLIPKNOT!11!

At 5/24/10 10:02 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Slipknot is a nu-metal band, and nu metal literally means not metal.

This post hadn't been made when I started typing mine! I swear! No need for jabs. I know I look stupid. Haha.

So you're calling us ignorant because we listen to completely diverse metal genres? Huh.

At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: slipknot's dick in my mouth

If you suppot a terrible band that had 9 members and still sounded like shit I pity you. I hate slipknot with a passion duff you must understand it's really fucking annoying when you have some mall faggot rave that they are metal and kick any other bands ass. Im pleased to see that slipknot is dieing off, now if Justin bieber can just get hit by a bus and die I will roll in pig shit for you guys.

At 5/24/10 10:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: slipknot's dick in my mouth

If you suppot a terrible band that had 9 members and still sounded like shit I pity you. I hate slipknot with a passion duff you must understand it's really fucking annoying when you have some mall faggot rave that they are metal and kick any other bands ass. Im pleased to see that slipknot is dieing off, now if Justin bieber can just get hit by a bus and die I will roll in pig shit for you guys.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop it right there. That's taking it too far. A bus would most likely be an instantaneous death. That's too good for him.

, now if Justin bieber can just get hit by a bus and die I will roll in pig shit for you guys.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop it right there. That's taking it too far. A bus would most likely be an instantaneous death. That's too good for him.

nice one :D

question time (i know this isnt exactly metal related, but im just wondering):

whats everyones opinion on other genres of music, genres which arent metal related, like rap, hip hop, pop, acid house, techno, trance, etc? note, dont say they are crap because of modern day crap, ive heard good hip hop from the 80s and whatnot

At 5/24/10 10:09 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 5/24/10 10:02 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Slipknot is a nu-metal band, and nu metal literally means not metal.

This post hadn't been made when I started typing mine! I swear! No need for jabs. I know I look stupid. Haha.

er alright then

"Nu-metal" really is unfortunately named. It should have a different name that isn't so misleading.

At 5/24/10 10:24 PM, smeagol1 wrote:

At 5/24/10 09:29 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: slipknot's dick in my mouth

If you suppot a terrible band that had 9 members and still sounded like shit I pity you.

He doesn't. I think he's in support of being a decent human being. One thing a decent human doesn't do is belittle human life, and celebrate someone's death just because they despise their artistic output. Anyone who does such should feel ashamed.

If Carlos Mencia died, maybe the world would be better off, but it would still be sad that a family lost someone they loved. And as much as I hate him, I wouldn't be going "woohoo! the fucker's dead!" because he'd be FUCKING DEAD. DEAD, MAN.

FUCK

What has happened to humankind?

At 5/24/10 11:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: What has happened to humankind?

Hollywood's glorification of violence and death. Also, the internet.

Only a total asshole would genuinely be happy about the death of somebody just because they make music he doesn't like.

Your a bunch of vaginas. human life is over protected as an example when you got a fucker whos raped little children and gets life I think thats fucking retarded. The fucker should be lined up on a wall and shot to death because that shit is not curable. Slipknot sucks nuff said want them to die slow deaths for being EXTREMELY overrated in my younger days. I couldn't look at a metal magazine without seeing these fucks on the front page or in the magazine it's self.
The only member I would have sympthy for is clown. Only for the reason he collects wierd shit like me other than that fuck em.

At 5/24/10 10:06 PM, michelinman wrote: This thread was named Metal Hell, not Death Metal Hell, and bands like slipknot, disturbed, korn, system of a down, and lamb of god are some of the most widely listened to bands in all of Metal.

These bands aren't metal and that assertion isn't based on some preconceived notion of superiority. They've simply strayed too far from metal or drawn too much influence from other genres. That said, your puerile rant on gutturals as well as the one on songs of 15 minute length show that not only are you clearly biased but that you also know little to nothing about metal or its history. I realize a bunch of the people here are idiots and incapable of stringing together even three sentences of worth but you aren't much better. If at all.

At 5/25/10 12:41 AM, smeagol1 wrote: Your a bunch of vaginas.

For the love of god would you please be quiet? A room full of monkeys could bang out a work rivaling that of Shakespeare before you post something that's not completely insipid.

At 5/25/10 01:04 AM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

For the love of god would you please be quiet? A room full of monkeys could bang out a work rivaling that of Shakespeare before you post something that's not completely insipid.

They see me trollin and hatin but now they know im trollin dirty!!!!!

Yo, why is everone taking michelleimanwhatever seriously? He's obviously far too wellwritten to be a Shitknot fan, and well, that little rant on what is metal and what isn't kinda proved that he isn't to be taken seriously.
I'd call troll, but I don't want people to realize he's a troll and stop falling for it.

At 5/25/10 03:18 AM, Dalnaki wrote: I'd call troll, but I don't want people to realize he's a troll and stop falling for it.

I'm calling this as well.

For a second I thought it was a serious post but it reeks of satire too.

Or we could be both wrong, but let's hope not.

I remember Johnathon Davies correcting an interviewer regarding nu-metal and how it's not meant to be metal. See, even the lead member of the nu-metal founding band admits the genre isn't metal.

At 5/24/10 09:23 PM, mothballs wrote: I bet Goatchrist thinks it's funny, too.

I'm pretty sure he has a good heart.

Hey look at me, I'm so metal I laugh at the death of a man and couldn't give a shit about what his family and friends and whatnot must be going through. I'm so kvlt!

Shit, I know they're not Metal, and I know most of you hate them, but when someone dies, it's a different story, it doesn't matter how soft or un-metal you may think it may make you look to pay respect to the dead, it's just unmoral/unethical/un-whatever the fuck the correct word is. Unless he did something insanely fucked up like raped children, etc. then yeah, you could go as far as saying rot in hell and whatnot. But as far as I'm concerned this dude was just another dude in another popular band playing music and whatnot.

Yeah.

man, these last few pages are really something else, huh? there's are a few reasons for why i've stopped posting as frequently, and one of them is that a bunch of immature cunts have taken over what was once an intelligent place of refuge for people who wanted to talk about metal, obscure and popular.

i agree with the voices of reason here. paul grey was a member of a band i hate, but that doesn't diminish his worth as a human being. he's someone's son. he had a life beyond slipknot, and when you say you're glad he's dead, you're saying that you're glad that everyone close to him is now grieving.

i know there's nothing i can say that will change your mind, because in your hate you're as closed-minded as any slipknot fan, but i didn't want to sit on the sidelines and wait for this to blow over without first expressing my own feelings on the subject.

I'm calling this as well.

For a second I thought it was a serious post

you're probably right, unless hes so utterly stupid its surprising he knows how to turn on a computer

At 5/25/10 12:09 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 5/24/10 11:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: What has happened to humankind?

Hollywood's glorification of violence and death. Also, the internet.

Oh yeah, that.

At 5/25/10 05:07 AM, Bahamut wrote: I remember Johnathon Davies correcting an interviewer regarding nu-metal and how it's not meant to be metal. See, even the lead member of the nu-metal founding band admits the genre isn't metal.

I remember watching a brief interview with various nu-metal and other non-metal band members and him saying the term "nu-metal" is stupid. And the guy from P.O.D was talking about how people were calling them thrash metal and how extremely wrong that is.

At 5/24/10 09:23 PM, mothballs wrote: I bet Goatchrist thinks it's funny, too.

I'm pretty sure he has a good heart.

Yeah, I don't think he's a piece of shit either.

At 5/25/10 01:42 AM, smeagol1 wrote: They see me trollin and hatin but now they know im trollin dirty!!!!!

way to take pride in being scum. You sure showed us.

At 5/24/10 07:21 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 5/24/10 06:06 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I know it's just the bassist from Slipknot, and for most of you they don't play Metal, but anyway...

for most of us? They simply don't play metal, as in the music they play is in fact not metal.

I won't discuss, but you can't just say I'm totally wrong, you can't build other peoples opinion, I respect you if you think they don't play Metal, but you must respect me if I say they play Metal. I won't put in your head they play Metal, because I can't build your opinions, so don't build mine. If you say "They simply don't play metal, as in the music they play is in fact not metal." For me you're saying "you're totally wrong, just put in your mind they don't play Metal". I could even say for example, Tool play Metal... and you could say, in my opinion they don't, then I would say ok, but if you say "They just don't play Metal", then I would say this again.

I know you may not give a shit for what I said, but always remember, I have freedom to think, just as you.

At 5/25/10 01:12 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I know you may not give a shit for what I said, but always remember, I have freedom to think, just as you.

Doesn't change the fact that they're not metal. This isn't a metal-archives-esque need to categorize metal or a need to disown a shitty band for being shitty. The fact is, they're not metal. I don't give a fuck what you "think" because you're just trying to back off with "it's subjective, maaaaaan" if things look band. Now if you want to stretch the definition of metal to include bands like Slipknot, then every band with distortion and guitars is metal.

At 5/25/10 01:27 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 5/25/10 01:12 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I know you may not give a shit for what I said, but always remember, I have freedom to think, just as you.

Doesn't change the fact that they're not metal. This isn't a metal-archives-esque need to categorize metal or a need to disown a shitty band for being shitty. The fact is, they're not metal. I don't give a fuck what you "think" because you're just trying to back off with "it's subjective, maaaaaan" if things look band. Now if you want to stretch the definition of metal to include bands like Slipknot, then every band with distortion and guitars is metal.

I think I understand why you guys always shit on Slipknot, because maybe in your country Slipknot is very popular, but in my country it isn't, Where you live you may see a kid that listen to Slipknot anywhere, then you find it annoying, because they're like all the other kids. I tell you something, other day I was at school and I saw my 6th grade cousin, he was listening to music in his mp3, I asked him what was he listening too, and he was listening to Escape the Fate... and really, I fucking hate Escape the Fate, but it was my 6th grade cousin listening to them, and kids here only listen to Pop, I am going to tell you, I felt so proud... Other day I was watching a portuguese talkshow, they were interviewing a kid, and they asked which one was his favourite band, and he said it was Slipknot, and I was like... wtf?

At 5/25/10 01:12 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: I won't discuss, but you can't just say I'm totally wrong, you can't build other peoples opinion,

tldr

It's not a matter of opinion. Slipknot isn't metal.