Seeing Kreator on friday with four other bands:

Voivod
Nachtmystium
Evile
Lazarus A.D.

I don't really know any of the opener bands besides one or two songs per band.

NEED SOME SONG RECOMMENDATIONS, NAOWWWWWWWWWWWW.

At 2/28/10 07:19 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

At 2/28/10 02:42 PM, AniMetal wrote: I've been posting longer than both of yas! :P

Ahem. >=(

Unfair advantage with your sign up date. :P

At 2/28/10 07:15 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/28/10 07:09 PM, AniMetal wrote: Well it'd be very hard to do a history of ALL metal genres.

Well it depends on how long his speech has to be and how in depth it has to be.
You could easily do a summary of all genres. Of all the Metal genres most of them are nonsense.

Traditional Metal
Death Metal
Power Metal
Progressive Metal
Black Metal
Thrash Metal
Doom Metal
Grindcore

That's what you could narrow it down to, but even then that would still be a lot.

At 2/28/10 07:30 PM, AniMetal wrote: That's what you could narrow it down to, but even then that would still be a lot.

I really don't think it would be.
You write a 10 minute speech doing it, it really wouldn't be hard.

I got recommended this band called Bloodshed on Facebook today. They look quite new, and I figured that they were core since the person who recommended me them came from my school.

Surprisingly, they are great. I really like them from the first few songs so far. Here you can listen to their stuff.

What do you think?

At 2/28/10 07:33 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/28/10 07:30 PM, AniMetal wrote: That's what you could narrow it down to, but even then that would still be a lot.

I really don't think it would be.
You write a 10 minute speech doing it, it really wouldn't be hard.

exactly. There was a 400 page book written on solely Black metal and it's history, so Combining all the genres would be easy.

At 2/28/10 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: What kind of metal?

Mostly on the early years of metal.

At 2/28/10 08:03 PM, milinko959 wrote:

At 2/28/10 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: What kind of metal?

Mostly on the early years of metal.

Why are you asking then? :P
Gotta put some Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Overkill and stuff :P

At 2/28/10 09:59 PM, batman64 wrote:

And Motorhead and Judas Priest

Yeah them.

I think I may go with Nev's first quote. I think it sums up the metal attitude pretty succinctly.

At 2/28/10 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: What kind of metal?

All of them lol early--»new kinds

I don't know why there is such a focus on the early metal...

At 2/28/10 11:26 PM, LaggingOut wrote:

At 2/28/10 07:05 PM, AniMetal wrote: What kind of metal?

All of them lol early--»new kinds

I don't know why there is such a focus on the early metal...

I really just think it will be more interesting/relevant to my audience. No point in going into detail on every subgenre of metal today for an audience where half of them don't even appreciate metal.

I need precisions about what exactly is the meaning of the prefix Post when talking about genre classifications. I know it means that it comes after something. So when they say Fallout3 is a post-apocalyptic videogame. I can understand, because the story takes place in a world that came after a nuclear attack that ravaged the earth.

But what exactly makes a genre "post-something"?
Let's take the example of bands like If These Trees Could Talk. That is always classified as Post-Rock. Or Alcest that is sometimes classified as post-black metal. What exactly can determine this?

If a band is classified as post-rock, we have to asume that their music is somehow related to rock music. So if it's rock, why not call it rock? And if the band only take elements of rock to make another genre of music, why is it that we do not create a new genre name then? Cause if they are just vaguely influenced by a genre but that they play something else, than they need to be classified differently.

I know the term is used when a band transcend a genre, bring something new to the genre or push it to another level. But the bands Death, Cannibal Corpse and Origin are all classified as Death Metal. Origin is not classified as Post-Death Metal only because they sound almost nothing like the band Death.

And what would justify the use of the term "Post" instead of the term "Neo"

Cause when Malmsteen plays Far Beyond The Sun, we do not say he's playing Post-Classical Metal, but Neoclassical.

So... there is Neofolk, Postpunk, Post-Rock, Neo-Metal (or Nu-Metal), Post-Hardcore.

And anyway, what the fuck is post-hardcore?!? I once asked an ugly emo kid about what the freakin hell his ugly yellow t-shirt was and he said it was a post-hardcore band.
Post-hardcore sounds exactly like any generic shit core band. Wtf?!?

I really need an answer so I will stop saying I like Post-Rock to people without being able to pinpoint THE FUCK WHAT IS POST-ROCK :O

At 3/1/10 01:43 AM, cheesebizkit wrote: i love the song enter sandman

Umm..

Anyway, The Hunchback of Notre Doooooooooom

I can't believe I didn't catch any news of this having come out last year.

At 3/1/10 01:48 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Anyway, The Hunchback of Notre Doooooooooom

I can't believe I didn't catch any news of this having come out last year.

HOLY CRAP IT CAME OUT ON MY BIRTHDAY :D

I just noticed that I have a lot of long songs. Only some are on my Ipod though...

Just the top 8, because most of them are 30-35 minutes long, and I didn't feel the need to be redundant.

At 3/1/10 02:20 AM, burnoutfool wrote: most of them are 30-35 minutes long

Can you possibly tell me what they are? (Can't read that small pic)

I LOVE songs over 20 minutes.

BUT SO FAR I only know two songs over 30 minutes(Iced Earth's Gettysburg which is 33 minutes and Sleep's Dopesmoker which is 65 minutes)

So yeah, please share. <3

At 3/1/10 05:27 AM, AniMetal wrote: I LOVE songs over 20 minutes.

Left In Torment has a song called 'Altar to Eternity' that goes for 20 minutes, 40 seconds.

At 3/1/10 05:27 AM, AniMetal wrote: Can you possibly tell me what they are? (Can't read that small pic)

Just on my IPod? These are all ranging from Metal to Techno to Jazz to Drone. Just everything I love to listen to <3

In the picture:

Bongripper - The Great Barrier Reefer (1:19:24)
Sleep - Dopesmoker (1:03:32)
16 Bit - The Milky Pie Mix (1:01:52)
Sabbat - The Dwelling (59:49)
A Cloud in Circle - Our Prayers (50:00)
A Cloud in Circle - Desolate Desperation From Paradise (42:01)
Paysage d'Hiver - Kerker (35:06)
Paysage d'Hiver - Nacht I (35:05)

Out of the picture:

Trist - Slunce v Snovém Kraji, Rozplývání, Echa... (35:02)
Paysage d'Hiver - Nacht II (34:54)
Hypothermia - Del 1 (34:25)
Paysage d'Hiver - Gefrorener Atem/Der Weg (33:42)
Khanate - Every God Damn Thing (32:52)
Moonsorrow - Jäästä Syntynyt Varjojen Virta (30:10)
The Legion - Virtue of Sin (29:07)
Reverend Bizarre - They Used Dark Forces/Teutonic Witch (29:05)
KTL - Theme (27:16)
Make a Change...Kill Yourself - Chapter IV (27:07)
Hypothermia - Svag Fysisk Lusta (27:05)
Hypothermia - Gråtoner Repsession (26:48)
Moonsorrow - Tuleen Ajettu Maa (26:19)
YOB - The Illusion of Motion (26:10)
Trist - Sebevra%u017Eední andelé I (25:42)
Reverend Bizarre - Anywhere out of this World (25:32)
Reverend Bizarre - Sorrow (25:20)
Sunn O))) - Decay 2 [NIHILS' MAW] (25:19)
Sunn O))) - My Wall (25:17)
Burzum - Rundgang um die transzendentale Säule der Singularität (25:13)
Korpiklaani - Korven Kuningas (24:59)
KTL - Estranged (24:47)
Paysage d'Hiver - Der Baum (24:35)
Acid Bath - Dead Girl (24:09)
Dream Theater - Octavarium (23:59)
Mistress of the Dead - Vortex (23:45)
Darkspace - Dark 2.8 (23:41)
A Cloud in Circle - From Nowhere (23:40)
Graveland - Sons of Fire and Steel/Outro (Servants of War) (23:39)
Hypothermia - Gråtoner I & II (23:36)
Sunn O))) - bassAliens (23:22)
Mistress of the Dead - White Roses, White Coffin (23:16)
Make a Change...Kill Yourself - Life Revisited (23:07)
Nargaroth - Amarok: Zorn Des Lammes Part II (22:37)
Deathspell Omega - Chaining the Katechon (22:12)
Sun Ra - Other Planes of There (22:04)
Nargaroth - Herbst (21:59)
Boris - The Evilone Which Sobs (21:43)
Finsterforst - Untergang (21:38)
Boris - Flood (part IV) (21:34)
Boris - Loose (21:34)
Boris - Red (21:29)
Nocturnal Depression - Voices from Inside (21:28)
YOB - The Mental Tyrant (21:24)
Horna - Ääni Yössä (21:21)
Om - On the Mountain at Dawn (21:18)
Reverend Bizarre - Cirith Ungol (21:10)
KTL - Abattoir (21:09)
Mistress of the Dead - Most Torturous Depth of Looks of Cemetary Statues (21:03)
Mournful Congregation - The Monad of Creation (20:54)
Paysage d'Hiver - Die Zeit des Torremond (20:49)
Mistress of the Dead - She Gave Me Her All (20:44)
Rush - 2112 (20:38)
Boris - Flood (part III) (20:37)
YOB - The Great Cessation (20:35)
Nocturnal Depression - Nostalgia (20:35)
Paysage d'Hiver - Winter... (20:32)
Drowning the Light - The Haunting of the Black Aristocracy (20:31)
When Mine Eyes Blacken - Within Death's Embrace (20:24)
Wolves in the Throne Room - (A Shimmering Radiance) Diadem of 12 Stars (20:22)
Boris - Giddiless Throne (20:22)
A Cloud in Circle - Black Mountain's Goddess (20:21)
Nocturnal Depression - Hear My Voice...Kill Yourself (20:19)
Miles Davis - Back Seat Becky (20:16)
Darkspace - Dark 2.10 (20:11)
Hypothermia - Kaffe & Blod (20:10)
Paysage d'Hiver - Die Baumfrau (20:01)
A Cloud in Circle - Among the Lonliness of Mountains (20:00)
Nocturnal Depression - When Darkness Covers My Soul... (20:00)

and that's all thats 20 minutes +...I could go longer, but I don't wanna.

I hope you love me ani...

At 3/1/10 06:20 AM, burnoutfool wrote: Bongripper - The Great Barrier Reefer (1:19:24)

This one sounds amazing.

Never heard of the artist or the song before though.

Is this one metal? (I really hope it is)

I hope you love me ani...

Oh I do.

I knew most of the 20+ minute ones but all the stuff longer than that I had no knowledge of.

Thank you!

At 3/1/10 01:39 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Cause when Malmsteen plays Far Beyond The Sun, we do not say he's playing Post-Classical Metal, but Neoclassical.

'Neo is a prefix signaling a "new" form or a revival of an old one.'

Post-hardcore sounds exactly like any generic shit core band. Wtf?!?

I actually like Post-Hardcore music. Just cause of Alexisonfire, really. But they're ace enough for me to make that generalisation :).

I really need an answer so I will stop saying I like Post-Rock to people without being able to pinpoint THE FUCK WHAT IS POST-ROCK :O

My understanding is that its just something that is taking the genre to the next level and updating the sound.
But I don't really care about specifics, if thats what this genre want to call themselves then I'm willing to go along with it. The name of a genre doesn't bother me.

At 3/1/10 01:39 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: THE FUCK WHAT IS POST-ROCK :O

you're acting like genre classifications are supposed to make sense or something.

At 2/28/10 09:55 AM, Zodir wrote: So what's everyone's favorite black metal band? Right now I really love DragonLord and Dark Funeral. I also want to see if there are other top quality black metal bands that I've missed.

You all should know black metal isn't a strong department of mine but my vote goes to Bathory.

At 3/1/10 01:48 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Anyway, The Hunchback of Notre Doooooooooom

It's a great song but when I decided to give Saint Vitus a try the other day, the first song I heard sounded very much like The Hunchback of Notre Doom. Despite that, it's still a great song. As for the rest of the album, also great but the highlight is the Ape Uprising. It's their second best song right behind Warriors Dawn and I can't stop listening to either of them.

At 3/1/10 01:39 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
And anyway, what the fuck is post-hardcore?!? I once asked an ugly emo kid about what the freakin hell his ugly yellow t-shirt was and he said it was a post-hardcore band.
Post-hardcore sounds exactly like any generic shit core band. Wtf?!?

Post-hardcore, in my opinion, is a band that plays emocore but don't like that label. Really, every post-hardcore band I know has at least a member with a fucking fringe... anyway... emos... at least post-hardcore is better than Jonas Brothers and shit like that.

At 3/1/10 08:55 AM, Nev wrote:

At 3/1/10 01:39 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Cause when Malmsteen plays Far Beyond The Sun, we do not say he's playing Post-Classical Metal, but Neoclassical.

'Neo is a prefix signaling a "new" form or a revival of an old one.'

Yes, but when a band falls into the classification Post-Rock, what are they?
Cause if they are rock enough to be classified as it, then why not call them rock?

I really need an answer so I will stop saying I like Post-Rock to people without being able to pinpoint THE FUCK WHAT IS POST-ROCK :O

My understanding is that its just something that is taking the genre to the next level and updating the sound.
But I don't really care about specifics, if thats what this genre want to call themselves then I'm willing to go along with it. The name of a genre doesn't bother me.

Yes yes, that's what I said... "updating the sound" or "bringing it to the next level". But Modern Death Metal is nothing like Old-school Death Metal. Yet you don't see metalheads sticking the Post prefix to it.
Anyway...

I do care about the name of genres because they help me to regroup my bands under genre classifications and that can really be helpful to find new bands you like.

Anyway, instead of explainning me what the prefix post means, I would like to know how a band can be Post-Rock. Because I really like that band named If These Trees Could Talk and I know they are classified as Post-Rock. So I would like to know what are the characteristics of Post-Rock.
Thanks fellow metalheads.

Heroes To Us by Kalmah

Well, I never heard of a "post-rock" genre, but I searched wikipedia and found this, maybe it'll help or something.

Post-rock is a term of rock music characterized by the use of musical instruments commonly associated with rock music, but using rhythms, harmonies, melodies, timbre, and chord progressions that are not usually found in rock tradition. It is the use of "rock instrumentation" for non-rock purposes. Practitioners of the genre's style typically produce instrumental music.[1][2][3]

There's more here.

At 3/1/10 12:38 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Yes, but when a band falls into the classification Post-Rock, what are they?
Cause if they are rock enough to be classified as it, then why not call them rock?

Post-Rock.
If they were Rock, they'd be called Rock.

I do care about the name of genres because they help me to regroup my bands under genre classifications and that can really be helpful to find new bands you like.

I care about genres but I don't care about the names, and the names have nothing to do with your point there.
The name is just what its called, why? I don't fucking know. But its just what it is. Why Rock? Why Metal? Why Jazz?

At 3/1/10 12:47 PM, MiroDK wrote: Well, I never heard of a "post-rock" genre, but I searched wikipedia and found this, maybe it'll help or something.

Post-rock is a term of rock music characterized by the use of musical instruments commonly associated with rock music, but using rhythms, harmonies, melodies, timbre, and chord progressions that are not usually found in rock tradition. It is the use of "rock instrumentation" for non-rock purposes. Practitioners of the genre's style typically produce instrumental music.[1][2][3]

There's more here.

That kind of makes sense I guess.
I've also came to the conclusion that post-rock often take from metal for riff constructions and song progression. I understand it's rock, but If These Trees Could Talk do not sound like your generic progressive rock band. I think they sound more like Progressive Metal in the song structures, but they use melodies and riffs that are more common in Rock.

At 3/1/10 12:50 PM, Nev wrote:

I care about genres but I don't care about the names, and the names have nothing to do with your point there.
The name is just what its called, why? I don't fucking know. But its just what it is. Why Rock? Why Metal? Why Jazz?

No, you do not get it.

There are basic genre classifications. Like Metal, Rock and Jazz. These, if you don't know the musical genre itself and only look at the name, will never give you any kind of understanding of what the music could be. Except of course if you look at the word "rock" and think "well, rocks are hard, so maybe it's heavy music." But anyway.

There are other classifications like Progressive, Technical, Symphonic, etc.
And THESE classifications, even if you don't know about the genre of music itself, are quite easy to understand. Even if you don't know what Death Metal is, you can guess that Technical Death Metal is a genre of music involving a lot of technicality.

And the prefix Post means: After, subsequent to.

So basically post-rock would be something that is subsequent to rock. So it would be somewhat rock-ish, while still being something else.
That is still not giving me any precisions on what could be the caracteristics of post-rock.

Matt Drake from Evile is going to be coming to my house tomorrow to pick up a Crack the Skye hoodie I got for him. I feel special.

At 3/1/10 12:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I've also came to the conclusion that post-rock often take from metal for riff constructions and song progression.

Yeah, that's not really true.

At 3/1/10 02:21 PM, SomaGuye wrote: Matt Drake from Evile is going to be coming to my house tomorrow to pick up a Crack the Skye hoodie I got for him. I feel special.

Tell him to play "We who are about to die" on friday. <3