At 1/26/10 03:17 AM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

At 1/26/10 12:31 AM, EpicFailCunt wrote: Duff, what do you think of 'In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion'? Is it too long?

NEVER ANSWERED THE QUESTION

Why would it be too long? If you are really are Ponos, than you like Sunn O))) and Wind & Fog is longer...
Atmospheric musical genres always have long tracks.

And how can you say Agalloch are hardly any true metal?
They played Black, Doom and Folk Metal. From Which of this Oak, Ashes Against The Grain and Pale Folklore are three completely different records, exploring three different genres of metal. Yet you say they are hardly any metal? Can't believe what I'm reading.

At 1/26/10 12:31 AM, EpicFailCunt wrote: has anyone ever met a 'lame' Maiden fan?

Plenty of times...
Along with Slipknot and Metallican fans, they are the most annoying ugly cunt fans in the world.
These guys actually think they know metal because they own like 10 metal records... which are all from Iron Maiden discography. They think Maiden is the best band in the world, they can't take any kind of screams, growls or heavy riffs and they accuse all other metal genres (beside power metal) of being random bashing noise.
They are not all like that, I am myself a Maiden fan, but I couldn't stand going to a Maiden show because of all these pricks.

Btw guys, are there any bands you couldn't imagine seing live only because of the fans?
Cause Maiden would be one for me.

At 1/26/10 03:17 AM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

Probably because it never got over popular and raped with shitty bands.

I don't think so. I think Doom as more to offer because it doesn't have popish structures, therefore it can explore a lot of different sounds, ambiences and so they can make very long or very short tracks but still sound very good. And please don't use the "Rime Of The Ancient Mariner" argument. Even if the track is long, it's not any different from what they normally write.

There is just more possibilites in Doom Metal. Heavy Metal is far more limited and it's pretty rare that you will find something very original in the newer albums of Maiden.

At 1/26/10 07:39 PM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

Listening to Pale Folklore. SOoooooooooooooo good.

See?

Addicted is amazing. It's barely metal but I don't care. Biomech by Ocean Machine is also super cool. Devin Townsend is super cool.

At 1/27/10 05:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And how can you say Agalloch are hardly any true metal?
They played Black, Doom and Folk Metal. From Which of this Oak, Ashes Against The Grain and Pale Folklore are three completely different records, exploring three different genres of metal. Yet you say they are hardly any metal? Can't believe what I'm reading.

From what I got from his post, I feel like he's saying that Agalloch are metal, but are a lot more than just metal; they're not straight-up (i.e., "true"), metal, they're a bunch of different genres, metal and otherwise.

At 1/27/10 12:48 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I've been trying to FUCKING tell you people for more than a year that they're good. Voices of Omens is one of my favorite albums.

Of the two times I've put it on, I think it drags. I think Nev agrees.

At 1/25/10 02:28 AM, PenisClown wrote: Saint Vitus, The Hidden Hand, Spirit Caravan, The Obsessed. Go listen, Wino fucking rules.

This is supposed to be news? I need to get a new copy of Elusive Truth. It's an awesome album and my copy is too scratched to play beyond like track 3 now.

Wino is a god, more people here should be listening. Also, Shrinebuilder. Shrinebuilder.

I don't know why you're comparing things to Agalloch right now, but yeah, I'd take Agalloch over Borknagar, though Borknagar is great.

Duff was talking about them. And yes, I think Borknagar comes off as forced and cluttered, where Agalloch are just right.

hells yeah. new Solefald and Borknagar coming, too. And I'm hoping its true that there's a new Fleurety album on the way.

Yes, I'm excited for the new Solefald. I've not listened to Fleurety, how good are they?

At 1/27/10 02:09 AM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

I thought Theogonia was awesome shit, too.

It's good, after I got past how modern it sounded, I think it's good.

Nirvana and Alice in Chains don't exist. got it.

I like both bands. What's your problem?

Lux Occulta - the Mother and the Enemy

Will check this shit.

At 1/27/10 01:06 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: Lol @ poseurs I ran into today that thought my Hellhammer shirt was a shirt for the drummer.

The world can be so depressing sometimes.

At 1/27/10 05:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: There is just more possibilites in Doom Metal. Heavy Metal is far more limited and it's pretty rare that you will find something very original in the newer albums of Maiden.

I've never thought in such a limiting way. Originality can find influence in any genre. Just because Maiden are an unoriginal heavy metal band now, doesn't mean they were in the beginning, and doesn't mean traditional metal bands can't do something unique. Agalloch's Pale Folklore is a unique black metal album, and take it from me, black metal can be very unoriginal.

Behold... The Arctopus are a unique technical metal band. It doesn't matter what genre you play, just how you play it.

At 1/26/10 07:39 PM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

Listening to Pale Folklore. SOoooooooooooooo good.

See?

It's not fucking doom metal.

At 1/27/10 06:52 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: From what I got from his post, I feel like he's saying that Agalloch are metal, but are a lot more than just metal; they're not straight-up (i.e., "true"), metal, they're a bunch of different genres, metal and otherwise.

Yup yup. But still good. Whereas metal bands who throw rap influence into their music suck. Agalloch are not true metal, but are fantastic. Holy shit, female opera singing. That's not very metal, but Agalloch use it in 'As Embers Dress the Sky', aswell as acoustic guitars. Not true metal, but very fucking sweet. Their debut has a pretty heavy black metal influence anyway. That's pretty kvlt and tr00.

At 1/27/10 07:56 PM, NewgroundsFails wrote: Of the two times I've put it on, I think it drags. I think Nev agrees.

aww, you guys suck. I love the guitar in that album. I've been meaning to get if You Crawl etc.

Wino is a god, more people here should be listening. Also, Shrinebuilder. Shrinebuilder.

I'll be sure to check out Shrinebuilder. I was pretty excited when I first found out Al Cisneros and Wino had worked together.

Duff was talking about them. And yes, I think Borknagar comes off as forced and cluttered, where Agalloch are just right.

They're a bit much sometimes, yeah. like they're...I dunno..trying to do too much or something. whatever. still very good, but, yeah. Also, I think it would be cool if Lars would do some singing in their songs. backup vocs, perhaps.

Yes, I'm excited for the new Solefald. I've not listened to Fleurety, how good are they?

I think they might have their weak moments, but the awesomeness makes up for it. I like both of their full lengths a lot. A Darker Shade of Evil is just annoying, though, because of the vocals. Alexander fucked up his voice doing those annoying shrieks, so Svein has done vocals since then, which is a good thing. Anyway, both full lengths are very nice post-black type avant garde stuff.

Nirvana and Alice in Chains don't exist. got it.

I like both bands. What's your problem?

oh, alrighty.

Lux Occulta - the Mother and the Enemy

Will check this shit.

hope you like. don't expect pure bm, though.

At 1/27/10 08:57 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 1/27/10 07:56 PM, NewgroundsFails wrote: Of the two times I've put it on, I think it drags. I think Nev agrees.

aww, you guys suck. I love the guitar in that album. I've been meaning to get if You Crawl etc.

Don't worry about it bro, I'll try it again soon. Too busy listening to 2 Minutes to Midnight right now. :D

Wino is a god, more people here should be listening. Also, Shrinebuilder. Shrinebuilder.

I'll be sure to check out Shrinebuilder. I was pretty excited when I first found out Al Cisneros and Wino had worked together.

AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER.

I love Dale Crover. It's a great album anyway.

They're a bit much sometimes, yeah. like they're...I dunno..trying to do too much or something. whatever. still very good, but, yeah.

I happen to completely agree.

Also, I think it would be cool if Lars would do some singing in their songs. backup vocs, perhaps.

I know, Lazare has a fantastic voice.

Yes, I'm excited for the new Solefald. I've not listened to Fleurety, how good are they?

I think they might have their weak moments, but the awesomeness makes up for it. I like both of their full lengths a lot. A Darker Shade of Evil is just annoying, though, because of the vocals. Alexander fucked up his voice doing those annoying shrieks, so Svein has done vocals since then, which is a good thing. Anyway, both full lengths are very nice post-black type avant garde stuff.

I am now not excited at all and will not rush to hear them.

Will check this shit.

hope you like. don't expect pure bm, though.

'Sigh' what a shame. I want more Hvis Lyset Tar Oss personally. Let's hope Burzum's new album will be like that.

THE HANDS THAT THREATEN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
TWO! MINUTES! TA MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AATE!!!!
TA KILL! THE UNBORN IN THE WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOMB!!!!

So yeah, I really don't listen to any of the bands you guys talk about. I don;t know whether I;m missing out or not. I 'm open to any bands but the one thing I can not stand is screaming/ pig squealing.

Yeah but so far I've listened to Morbid Angel's new single for their new album. Anyone else hear it yet?

At 1/27/10 09:23 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: So yeah, I really don't listen to any of the bands you guys talk about. I don;t know whether I;m missing out or not. I 'm open to any bands but the one thing I can not stand is screaming/ pig squealing.

Awesome bands you should hear:

Acid King (Best female singing metal band)
Agalloch (Post-rock, black metal, neofolk, atmosphere, pure win)
Age of Silence (Progressive metal that's awesome)
Atheist (Old school tech/prog death)
Behold... The Arctopus (Instrumental tech metal. Most technical metal ever.)
Belphegor (Best black/death metal band)
Candlemass (Brilliant traditional doom metal)
Death (Best death metal band)
Electric Wizard. Albums = Come My Fanatics, Dopethrone. (Stoner doom metal giants)
Gorguts (Brilliant tech death)
High on Fire (Kick-assery in audio form)
Iron Maiden's first 5/6 albums (Metal.)
The Lord Weird Slough Feg (Traditional metal with folk influence and fantastic vocals and lyrical subject.)
Macabre (Grind done right)
Melvins (Sludge metal innovators. My favourite band of the 80's.)
Opeth. Albums = My Arms, Your Hearse and Still Life. (Prog death done right.)
Orange Goblin (Stoner rock/metal, good introduction to the genre.)
Origin (Insane tech death.)
Rotting Christ (Good black metal from Greece.)
Sleep. Albums = Holy Mountain (Perfect stoner doom metal.)
Taake. (Black metal done right.)
Tool (Progressive/alternative rock/metal. Everyone should listen.)

Eh, good enough.

listening to Merkur by Klabautamann. good stuff. I owe my knowledge of this band's existence to Bruce.

At 1/27/10 09:16 PM, NewgroundsFails wrote: AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER AND DALE CROVER.

I didn't even know. awesome.

'Sigh' what a shame. I want more Hvis Lyset Tar Oss personally. Let's hope Burzum's new album will be like that.

Well, you should know by now not to expect a pure true bm rec from me. I find a lot of it to be boring.

NewgroundsFails = Ponos?

NO FUCKING WAY

At 1/27/10 07:56 PM, NewgroundsFails wrote:

At 1/27/10 05:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: There is just more possibilites in Doom Metal. Heavy Metal is far more limited and it's pretty rare that you will find something very original in the newer albums of Maiden.

I've never thought in such a limiting way. Originality can find influence in any genre. Just because Maiden are an unoriginal heavy metal band now, doesn't mean they were in the beginning, and doesn't mean traditional metal bands can't do something unique. Agalloch's Pale Folklore is a unique black metal album, and take it from me, black metal can be very unoriginal.

Never said that Maiden never was original. I said that there are certain limits and boundaries given by a genre and that genres such as Heavy Metal are very limited compared to others. Wolves In The Throne Room sound nothing like Xasthur and Xasthur doesn't sound anything like Ulver... Death doesn't sound anything like Blood Red Throne and BRT doesn't sound anything like Atheist.
I'd say Heavy Metal as evolved in something else and today, bands who play straight up Heavy Metal are not bringing anything new to the table. Black Metal can be unoriginal... of course... but I said this plenty of times in the past... you cannot judge a genre by the worst bands playing it.

At 1/26/10 07:39 PM, EpicFailCunt wrote:

Listening to Pale Folklore. SOoooooooooooooo good.

See?

It's not fucking doom metal.

That's not what I said... He said Agalloch was beginning to get so-so after a while, but now he says it's awesome :P
Maybe what he meant is that when he wants to listen to Doom Metal he would rather choose some other bands over Agalloch.
Btw, Ashes Against The Grain... The Mantle... both Doom Metal albums. No matter what you say :)

Also, still can't find any Taake album...
And em... I will be getting Dopethrone (Electric Wizard) and Echoes Of Decimation (Origin) pretty soon... or I hope so...

I thought I should rub it in that MAYHEM IS PLAYING HERE!!!!!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=27 1630029349&ref=mf

At 1/27/10 11:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: That's not what I said... He said Agalloch was beginning to get so-so after a while, but now he says it's awesome :P

It does get so so, but I havn't even listened to Agalloch for about 6 months. And honestly.......... Beethoven > Agalloch.

Maybe what he meant is that when he wants to listen to Doom Metal he would rather choose some other bands over Agalloch.

Definitely, Agalloch aren't doom.

Btw, Ashes Against The Grain... The Mantle... both Doom Metal albums. No matter what you say :)

Blah they are not.

Black metal/post-rock. With doom and folk influences.

Also, still can't find any Taake album...

HAHA.

And em... I will be getting Dopethrone (Electric Wizard) and Echoes Of Decimation (Origin) pretty soon... or I hope so...

Niiiiiiiiiiiice. :D

At 1/27/10 09:56 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: listening to Merkur by Klabautamann. good stuff. I owe my knowledge of this band's existence to Bruce.

Downloading now. Fucking sweet, thanks.

Well, you should know by now not to expect a pure true bm rec from me. I find a lot of it to be boring.

Urgh, but keys can totally ruin bm. CAN'T YOU SEE?

Recommend me some bm without keys?

And I liked Gorgoroth's new one, it was awesome. THAT HAD NO KEYS IN IT.

At 1/27/10 10:05 PM, Nev wrote: NewgroundsFails = Ponos?

If I admit it I'll probably get this acount banned aswell.

So no, what the fuck is that.

At 1/28/10 01:35 AM, EpicFail wrote: I thought I should rub it in that MAYHEM IS PLAYING HERE!!!!!!!!!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=27 1630029349&ref=mf

I've never even heard of Regina. I don't even know where that is.

Are you black or something?

Anyway, I would never see Mayhem unless Attila.... Wait, Attila is back in Mayhem. Jealous.

Death metal band I never knew about but totally rule.

Holy shit they really do rule. I've played live in a death metal band, and I do a lot more headbanging. Maybe because I get drunk before I play. It's a shame they're so boring on stage.

Bah fuck it. I'm going to download Hypocrisy albums instead.

At 1/26/10 11:17 PM, smeagol1 wrote: Jamoke issued a decree for troll scalps the more I get the less I get banned. I diden't see this asshole post a list of ten bands or any of the horsemen confirm him so he's a obvious troll in my mind that and he's a douche handle.

Triple posting? Fuck yeah. I just thought I'd point out, leave it to an Amerifag to be a snitching bastard.

Klabautamann - Merkur

Fan fucking tastic. I give this album a 10/10. I'm saddened I never discovered this band earlier.

Blows Agalloch away.

Lux Occulta - The Mother and the Enemy

8/10.

Nicely played post-black. Innovative and unique, with a fair bit of skill involved. I almost gave it a 9/10 but it's got a lot of electronica in it. And like electronica, it makes it repetitive. Six minutes of same electronic beat? DO NOT FUCKING WANT.

But there's a crazy arse sax solo. And female vocals. And still a fair bit of metuhls. I remember asking everyone here what bands sound like they're on drugs? This band fucking sound like they're on drugs.

It just drags a little. I enjoyed Klabautamann much more. Especially since every single thing about them is better than Agalloch, and me and Duff hold Agalloch in such high regard.

But now, it is time to start building my Hypocrisy discography.

I used to have just one of their albums, but that was a long time ago. I think now I understand them better, although their newer stuff like 'Virus' is melodeath and I don't like melodeath, I've got to say I've never heard the genre been played better. Anyway, I'm starting with the 90's stuff. Does anyone here like Virus? It's not toooooo bad. Peter is a riff master. And I don't call anyone that. I call early 80's Mustaine a riff master. Peter is one too.

Anywho, tata.

At 1/27/10 02:37 PM, Coop83 wrote: Dance of Death is one of Maiden's best.

I don't think it quite beats any of the 80s Maiden albums but I find it to be the second best album from the 90s/00s era. Brave New World is still my favourite from post-Seventh Son. Every song is great while Dance of Death has a weak song or two.

glad you liked Mother and the Enemy, Ponos. I love it. I also happen to be into electronic music. I wouldn't say Klabautamann is better than Agalloch, but they are definitely very very good.

Also, I listened to Secrets of the Moon - Privilegivm last night. more good black metal. And Oranssi Pazuzu - Muukalainen Puhuu is also some good spacey sounding black metal (they call themselves psychedelic black metal, I think). The cover is also cool, and appropriate for the sound they have.

also, speaking of keys ruining black metal. fucking Summoning. They get on my nerves sometimes. I feel like I'm listening to my mother's renaissance music. I still like them a bit, though. I have like all of their albums.

lookin' fer trip hop, electronic/hip hop type stuff right now.

At 1/28/10 05:29 PM, Zodir wrote: Fuck you too. That was a racist and basterdish and elitist thing to say. Racist bastard.

Eh, what can you do? Ponos is an Aussie...

At 1/28/10 05:29 PM, Zodir wrote: Fuck you too. That was a racist and basterdish and elitist thing to say. Racist bastard.

I love how you don't understand how Ponos works.

I just listened to Amon Amarth! My friends kept telling me to listen to them and I just assumed it would be some death core band but I fucking love them. Amon Amarth- Twilight of The thunder god. They're fucking VIKING metal.

Amon Amarth is incredible, I can't believe you just listened to them.

At 1/28/10 06:23 PM, EpicFail wrote: Amon Amarth is incredible, I can't believe you just listened to them.

Well, like I said my friends told me to listen to them. They also listen to crappy death core bands.

At 1/28/10 06:25 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

Well, like I said my friends told me to listen to them. They also listen to crappy death core bands.

Well, now you know that Viking Metal is awesome. Now get in to Black Metal.

At 1/28/10 05:29 PM, Zodir wrote: Fuck you too. That was a racist and basterdish and elitist thing to say. Racist bastard.

nationality =/= race

At 1/28/10 06:35 PM, EpicFail wrote:

At 1/28/10 06:25 PM, TheSporkLord wrote:

Well, like I said my friends told me to listen to them. They also listen to crappy death core bands.

Well, now you know that Viking Metal is awesome. Now get in to Black Metal.

I listen to some Black metal already. Opeth and venom mainly. I just don't really like the REALLY obnoxious black metal. As long as I can mostly understand the vocals .

At 1/28/10 06:54 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I listen to some Black metal already. Opeth and venom mainly. I just don't really like the REALLY obnoxious black metal. As long as I can mostly understand the vocals .

Opeth are Prog Death. Not Black.

At 1/28/10 07:11 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/28/10 06:54 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I listen to some Black metal already. Opeth and venom mainly. I just don't really like the REALLY obnoxious black metal. As long as I can mostly understand the vocals .

Opeth are Prog Death. Not Black.

I'd say they have a variety.

At 1/28/10 07:23 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I'd say they have a variety.

And you'd be wrong.
They're Prog Death.
Any Black Metal influence is covered by the Prog bit.

At 1/28/10 07:28 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/28/10 07:23 PM, TheSporkLord wrote: I'd say they have a variety.

And you'd be wrong.
They're Prog Death.
Any Black Metal influence is covered by the Prog bit.

Why can't a band fit into more than one category? I didn't know there were strict guidelines to follow for black metal.

I consider Demon of the fall to be a Death/Black/Prog Metal mix. That and Blackwater Park.