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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 02:06:58


So, is the heavy trip over?
Yes please.

Also. I went to the cd store two weeks ago and listenned to La Sanie des Siècles by Peste Noire and I read through the booklet while listenning to the album and the entire booklet text is an interview with La Sale Famine de Valfunde who is the leader of the band. The interview beeing all in french, I doubt any of you guys have ever read it. But the guy is quite scary actually, yet very intelligent. Which is actually what makes him scary. He knows a lot about poetry, mythology and history, but what he says during the interview iks quite scary. He explains a lot of things about his music, his ideologies and the such. He's not the typical black metal angry kid like the guys in the actual line-up of Mayhem. He's not going around saying "Fuck them! Fuck You! Fuck all!"
His point of view of our world is amongs the darkest ideologies I have ever read about.
He always mention parts of poems or things that Baudelaire said (btw, Peste Noire has written a track with the words of the poem Le mort joyeux by Baudelaire). Things about making the ugly look beautiful. Turning mud into gold. That was my favorite part actually. He says Black Metal is all about turning the ugly, the disgusting and the horrible into something beautiful.
Anyway. If any of you guys have the chance to read it, do it. Or if you find the actual text, I could translate some parts of it if you want to.
It's actually very interresting to read about people like him. He says his music if for those who feel alienation (hope this is the correct translation :P)

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 02:47:21


At 1/13/10 06:10 PM, HeavyMetalMadman wrote: Honestly I don't even care about those bands. One of my dick-bag friends suggested them, and I was smashed at the time. So yeah.

That's what everybody says.

*Mandatory 10 bands so people will read my post*
Pantera, Damageplan, Black Label Society, Darkest Hour, Cradle of Filth, In Flames, Tool, Iron Maiden, Slayer & Children of Bodom.
Yeah I have pretty wide ranging tastes.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 03:10:12


At 1/14/10 02:47 AM, sushi13 wrote:
Pantera, Damageplan, Black Label Society, Darkest Hour, Cradle of Filth, In Flames, Tool, Iron Maiden, Slayer & Children of Bodom.
Yeah I have pretty wide ranging tastes.

Not really. I know each and every single of these bands you have listed and they are all pretty much mainstream. They are metal, some are very good. Don't get me wrong. But if you think that you have wide ranging tastes, you will find out that most of the regulars of this club have far much wider range of tastes.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 07:08:33


At 1/14/10 03:10 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 1/14/10 02:47 AM, sushi13 wrote:
Pantera, Damageplan, Black Label Society, Darkest Hour, Cradle of Filth, In Flames, Tool, Iron Maiden, Slayer & Children of Bodom.
Yeah I have pretty wide ranging tastes.
Not really. I know each and every single of these bands you have listed and they are all pretty much mainstream. They are metal, some are very good. Don't get me wrong. But if you think that you have wide ranging tastes, you will find out that most of the regulars of this club have far much wider range of tastes.

I meant wide ranging in that there is a lot of diversity in the styles of those 10 bands. I could list every band I listen to and I'm sure you wont be telling me most of the regulars have much wider ranges. Those 10 are just my 10 favorites.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 09:28:55


Submitted for your approval, list of all rock and metal bands from my windows media player library. Some of these are just like 1 song I saw on music tv or heard on the radio and downloaded but the majority are anywhere between 10 and 150 tracks. If I like an artist I will often buy/download their entire catalog.
Note: I don't live solely on really heavy stuff although I do love my black, death and thrash above all else and the overwhelmingly vast majority of this is at least hard rock. I know it starts with something pussy but trust me, it gets better. Most of the lighter stuff is the stuff that I was listening to 8-10 years ago that helped me get into the heavy stuff.

3 Doors Down, 36 Crazyfists, The 69 Eyes, 1349, A, Abandoned Pools, AC/DC, Aerosmith, AFI, Alice Cooper, Alice in Chains, Amen, American Head Charge, Amon Amarth, The Animals, Anthrax, Anti-Flag, Arch Enemy, The Autumn Offering, Behemoth, Black Label Society, Black Sabbath, Bleeding Through, Blind Guardian, Buried Inside, Burst, Burzum, Butthole Surfers, Cannibal Corpse, Caphanaum, Carcass, Carpathian Forest, Cataract, Cathedral, Cattle Decapitation, Cavalera Conspiracy, Celtic Frost, Cephalic Carnage, Children of Bodom, Chimaira, Circle of Dead Children, Coal Chamber, Corrosion of Conformity, Cradle of Filth, Cretin, Crowbar, The Cult, Damageplan, Danzig, Dark Tranquility, Darker Half, Darkest Hour, Darkthrone, Death, Death Angel, Decapitated, Deftones, Destruction, DevilDriver, Die Apokalyptischen Reiter, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Dimebag Darrell, Dio, Dire Straits, Disbelief, Dispatched, Disturbed, Donots, Dope, Down, Downthesun, Dragonforce, Dream Evil, Dream Theater, Drowning Pool, Dying Fetus, Edguy, Emperor, The End, Enslaved, Entombed, Exhumed, Exodus, Eyehategod, Faith No More, Fear Factory, Fleshcrawl, Foo Fighters, Fugazi, Gardenian, Genitorturers, God Forbid, Godsmack, Gorgoroth, Grave Digger, Graveworm, Guns N Roses, Hammerfall, Hatebreed, The Haunted, Helloween, High on Fire, Himsa, Hypocrisy, Iced Earth, Ill Nino, In Flames, Incubus, InMe, Iron Maiden, Jack Off Jill, Jefferson Airplane, Jerry Cantrell, John Frusciante, KillSwitch Engage, Kittie, Korn, Kreator, L7, Lacuna Coil, Lamb of God, Lard, Leaves' Eyes, Led Zeppelin, Leng Tch'E, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Lostprophets, Lynard Skynard, Machine Head, Marduk, Marilyn Manson, Mastadon, Mayhem, Megadeth, Meshuggah, Metallica, Misfits, Mnemic, Moonspell, Morbid Angel, Most Precious Blood, Motorhead, Mudvayne, Muse, Mushroomhead, Naglfar, Nailbomb, Necrophagist, Neurosis, Nevermore, Nightwish, Nile, Nine Inch Nails, NOFX, Oasis, Obituary, The Offspring, Opeth, OPM, Origin, Otep, Ozzy Osbourne, Panic Cell, Pantera, Papa Roach, A Perfect Circle, Pig Destroyer, Pink Floyd, Pitchshifter, Planes Mistaken For Stars, Poison the Well, Primal Fear, Primus, Queen, Rage Against the Machine, Rammstein, Rebel Meets Rebel, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Reel Big FIsh, Remembering Never, Roadrunner United, Rob Zombie, Rotten Sound, Saliva, Satyricon, Saxon, Seether, Sepultura, Sevendust, Sikth, Silverchair, Sinergy, Sinner, Six Feet Under, Skinless, Slayer, Slipknot, Slitheryn, Smashing Pumpkins, Snot, Soil, Soilent Green, Soilwork, Sonata Arctica, Soulfly, Soundgarden, Spineshank, Spiritfall, Staind, Static-X, Stone Sour, Stormtroopers of Death, Strapping Young Lad, Styx, Suffocation, Superjoint Ritual, Switchblade Symphony, System of a Down, Tenacious D, Testament, Theatre of Tragedy, Theatres Des Vampires, Therion, Thunderstone, Tool, Torsohorse, Trapt, Trivium, Trucks, Twisted Sister, Type O Negative, Underoath, Unearth, Unearthly Trance, Unsane, Uphill Battle, Usurper, Velvet Acid Christ, Venom, Zakk Wylde, Zeke, Zombi.

Now tell me my tastes aren't diverse =P

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 09:44:04


At 1/14/10 09:28 AM, sushi13 wrote: Now tell me my tastes aren't diverse =P

Not really, no. In the scope of metal, it's sort of diverse, I guess, if you count "not listening to the same genre" as "diverse." In the scope of all of music, however, all you listen to is hard rock, punk, and metal, which is pretty much not diverse.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 10:14:47


At 1/14/10 09:44 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:
At 1/14/10 09:28 AM, sushi13 wrote: Now tell me my tastes aren't diverse =P
Not really, no. In the scope of metal, it's sort of diverse, I guess, if you count "not listening to the same genre" as "diverse." In the scope of all of music, however, all you listen to is hard rock, punk, and metal, which is pretty much not diverse.

I agree. My tastes are diverse, because I've got loads of strange bands on my iTunes

I'll have to get my iTunes list updated to there at some point, but It's about 1,200 songs from quite a few artists, including Alice Cooper, Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, Reel Big Fish, MeatLoaf, Apollo 440, Velvet Revolver, Weird Al Yankovic, The Worzels and Beethoven.

I'm more diverse than you :P


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 10:23:54


At 1/14/10 09:44 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:
At 1/14/10 09:28 AM, sushi13 wrote: Now tell me my tastes aren't diverse =P
Not really, no. In the scope of metal, it's sort of diverse, I guess, if you count "not listening to the same genre" as "diverse." In the scope of all of music, however, all you listen to is hard rock, punk, and metal, which is pretty much not diverse.

I consider the artists I listed to be diverse, at least as diverse as you can get in one genre as you correctly note. There are at least 2 or 3 artists there for each of the commonly known sub genres that I can think of.
As for the list, well that's just the rock and metal I listen to. I also listen to a large amount of classical, jazz and blues, some electronica and reggae and a tiny little bit of rap and hip hop. I figured nobody would be interested in that though, seeing as how this is Metal Hell.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 11:08:41


At 1/13/10 11:41 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: i decided to check out mastodon

i've always been really wary of them, 'cause popular metal is usually pretty shitty and i had always heard they weren't that great.

It's reasons like this why the saying "Don't knock it until you try it!" exists. OK, maybe that should apply to me as I'm avoiding certain albums but I do give a lot of things a fair chance.

At 1/14/10 09:28 AM, sushi13 wrote: huge list

Diverse or not, that's still one hell of a list. I may not like a fair amount of bands on there but I still respect your opinions.

At 1/14/10 09:44 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: Not really, no. In the scope of metal, it's sort of diverse, I guess, if you count "not listening to the same genre" as "diverse." In the scope of all of music, however, all you listen to is hard rock, punk, and metal, which is pretty much not diverse.

You know, I've always admitted that my taste in music isn't that diverse. Sure, I've got some pop and electronic music here and there and have a fair amount of rock music but metal completely overshadows everything besides Nobuo who I have around 700 tracks of. However, I recently had to merge my dad's iTunes library with mine so I now have a bunch more artists but I'll give most of them a listen to. Most is the keyword as no way in hell am I listening to Scissor Sisters. :P

At 1/14/10 10:23 AM, sushi13 wrote: As for the list, well that's just the rock and metal I listen to. I also listen to a large amount of classical, jazz and blues, some electronica and reggae and a tiny little bit of rap and hip hop. I figured nobody would be interested in that though, seeing as how this is Metal Hell.

Would you be willing to make a news post mentioning all the music you listen to? I'll definitely have a look at it if you do so.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 14:34:29


Let's not get into a music collection dick-waving contest, please. If genre categorization never existed none of you would even be able to have this discussion. Anyhow...

At 1/14/10 02:06 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: (BIG ESSAY ABOUT FAMINE)

Yeah, Famine's not your run-of-the-mill black metaller. I enjoy the elements of French nationalism he puts in his music, really injects something fresh into the fold. Although I can't entirely agree
with him being intellectual... certainly well-versed in different ideas and theologies, but many metal musicians and fans just pick that up vicariously from other metal bands, not from a first-hand absorption of the material. Not to make any less of Famine, myself, or Andre Breton, but my favorite book in 8th grade was Nadja, just because I hung out with Sekhem on MSN a lot. So someone can drop a name or claim an influence, but understanding and living the property is on a different plane than reading it once-through and then pantomiming as the author.

Although I can definitely agree with his Famine's take on 'metal-via-baudelaire'. That's a theme I see running through the music of lots of black metal bands, whether conscious on their part or not.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 16:28:33


At 1/14/10 09:28 AM, sushi13 wrote: Submitted for your approval, list of all rock and metal bands

Wow, that's a lot of non-metal in your metal hell joining list. But you've got metal in there, too. welcome.

At 1/14/10 11:08 AM, Bahamut wrote: Would you be willing to make a news post mentioning all the music you listen to? I'll definitely have a look at it if you do so.

I've completely neglected my old list. There's a whole bunch of bands there I'd remove and even more I'd add. I'm not doing it.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 17:44:02


At 1/13/10 11:41 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: i got crack the skye and leviathan, in case you were wondering.

They're extremely popular for a reason. What a ferocious band, between the frantic guitar riffs, insane drumming, and manly vocals. I actually just woke up this morning with Oblivion stuck in my head. I was also gonna ask a question here about Mastodon, why does everyone favor Crack the Skye over Leviathan? Crack the Skye is great and I like the new sound they developed, but you can't beat Blood and Thunder. I would call it one of the best metal songs of last decade.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 17:56:04


At 1/14/10 05:44 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: but you can't beat Blood and Thunder.

SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDERRRRRRRRRR
I dunno, Blood Mountain will always be my favourite. <3

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 18:00:08


At 1/14/10 05:56 PM, Lagamuffin wrote:
At 1/14/10 05:44 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: but you can't beat Blood and Thunder.
SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDERRRRRRRRRR
I dunno, Blood Mountain will always be my favourite. <3

Oh yeah, that's another good one. Colony of Birchmen is one of my favorite tunes they do. Crack The Skye was definitely in the top favorite albums of 2009 for me, though. I can't wait to see what's in store for metal in 2010.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 18:14:09


Do you know what boredom can do to you? I made an entire 4 page wish list of songs I want to see in Guitar Hero 6. And it's set in colum form by artist. So it's just 4 pages of artists with songs next to them. I might upload it to NG one day just to see what people think of it.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:14:51


At 1/14/10 02:34 PM, VespeneGas wrote: Let's not get into a music collection dick-waving contest, please. If genre categorization never existed none of you would even be able to have this discussion. Anyhow...

At 1/14/10 02:06 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: (BIG ESSAY ABOUT FAMINE)
Yeah, Famine's not your run-of-the-mill black metaller. I enjoy the elements of French nationalism he puts in his music, really injects something fresh into the fold. Although I can't entirely agree
with him being intellectual... certainly well-versed in different ideas and theologies, but many metal musicians and fans just pick that up vicariously from other metal bands, not from a first-hand absorption of the material. Not to make any less of Famine, myself, or Andre Breton, but my favorite book in 8th grade was Nadja, just because I hung out with Sekhem on MSN a lot. So someone can drop a name or claim an influence, but understanding and living the property is on a different plane than reading it once-through and then pantomiming as the author.

I wouldn't say it was only name dropping. He really knew the authors, poets and books and mythologic characters he mentionned during the interview and knew exactly the way he was going. What I say is that his work is not black metal for the sole purpose of being evil and saying "fuck the world". Also, I didn't say he was Einsteen or some kind of genius. What I meant is that it's scarier to see that it's not only retarded pseudo-intellectual or depressive teenagers who have these kind of ideologies. That is pretty much what I meant. It's scary to read about crazy fucks who like to drink human blood and torture people, but it's even scarier to read about a guy who's really into dark ideologies but who actually knows what he's talking about.

Although I can definitely agree with his Famine's take on 'metal-via-baudelaire'. That's a theme I see running through the music of lots of black metal bands, whether conscious on their part or not.

It's kind of funny that Baudelaire's work really does sound black metal-ish. If I told you that "Le mort joyeux" was a song written by a black metal band, you would never even imagine that it was written by a guy who died in 1867, except if you already knew about Baudelaire.

At 1/14/10 06:14 PM, Zodir wrote: Do you know what boredom can do to you? I made an entire 4 page wish list of songs I want to see in Guitar Hero 6. And it's set in colum form by artist. So it's just 4 pages of artists with songs next to them. I might upload it to NG one day just to see what people think of it.

You don't want your favorite artists to be on GH...
just see what it did to DragonForce.

Metal music is something you grow to like. It takes time to make it yours... and I don't think metal music is made for mainstream radio or video games like these. I really think there is a difference between the real DragonForce fans and the Guitar Hero DragonForce fans. In fact, I would really like to go to one of their gigs. But something that is holding me back is that the place will be filled by 13 years old GH kids...

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:19:25


At 1/14/10 08:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact, I would really like to go to one of their gigs. But something that is holding me back is that the place will be filled by 13 years old GH kids...

And they suck live :P.
Like, really, really bad. Sloppy and incompetent.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:34:15


At 1/14/10 08:19 PM, Nev wrote:
At 1/14/10 08:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact, I would really like to go to one of their gigs. But something that is holding me back is that the place will be filled by 13 years old GH kids...
And they suck live :P.
Like, really, really bad. Sloppy and incompetent.

This is true. Although it was 3 1/2 years ago when I saw them and I hope for their sake that they got better.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:41:37


At 1/14/10 06:14 PM, Zodir wrote: Do you know what boredom can do to you? I made an entire 4 page wish list of songs I want to see in Guitar Hero 6. And it's set in colum form by artist. So it's just 4 pages of artists with songs next to them. I might upload it to NG one day just to see what people think of it.

Yeah a Guitar Hero 6 would be a terrible idea. Not to say that the idea of Guitar Hero isn't shitty.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:45:53


At 1/14/10 08:19 PM, Nev wrote:
At 1/14/10 08:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact, I would really like to go to one of their gigs. But something that is holding me back is that the place will be filled by 13 years old GH kids...
And they suck live :P.
Like, really, really bad. Sloppy and incompetent.

I have heard that this isn't true anymore. They used to suck live because they were always drunk. But it seems that they have changed and now some people told me that they were better.

Graspop 2009, you really think it's that bad?

I couldn't find that one video when they played in 2006. It was a good performance.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 20:58:59


At 1/14/10 08:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 1/14/10 08:19 PM, Nev wrote:
At 1/14/10 08:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact, I would really like to go to one of their gigs. But something that is holding me back is that the place will be filled by 13 years old GH kids...
And they suck live :P.
Like, really, really bad. Sloppy and incompetent.
I have heard that this isn't true anymore. They used to suck live because they were always drunk. But it seems that they have changed and now some people told me that they were better.

Graspop 2009, you really think it's that bad?

I couldn't find that one video when they played in 2006. It was a good performance.

I myself love DragonForce. Inhuman Rampage was such a good album. Ive also heard that they suck live, but I never got a chance to check them out. While that may be true, their music is still great to listen to off the CD.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 21:08:23


At 1/14/10 08:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I have heard that this isn't true anymore. They used to suck live because they were always drunk. But it seems that they have changed and now some people told me that they were better.

I've heard that a lot recently too. I've heard they're still rubbish on certain dates though. Depends how lucky you get I suppose.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-14 21:32:02


I saw dragonforce with Sonata Arctica in october on a friday.

They exceeded ALL my expectations, especially considering I saw them in '08 with Messugahh and Cynic and they utterly blew then.

So either they went from blowing mega bad in '08 to be quite entertaining in '09 or it was because the '08 show was a tuesday and the '09 show was a friday.

So i'm guessing, they put in way more effort on friday + saturday + festival shows.

I also noticed at BOTH shows the security were REALLY cracking down on people with cameras and phones when DF played and they didn't really care when the other bands played both times.

Maybe this is just a coincidence though.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 03:50:07


I just hate this. Why is it that some band wouldn't want to let you take pictures or videos of them?

I know I will get the "that's because they don't want people to see how bad they suck live" answer. But I'm asking this question seriously... why?

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 04:16:42


Dragon Force concert, eh? Had enough time to hear half of one of their songs? :P


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 10:29:55


At 1/14/10 05:56 PM, Lagamuffin wrote: I dunno, Blood Mountain will always be my favourite. <3

Right now, Blood Mountain is my favourite Mastodon album but who knows, maybe one of the other two will grow on me more and eventually become my new favourite of theirs.

At 1/14/10 06:14 PM, Zodir wrote: Do you know what boredom can do to you? I made an entire 4 page wish list of songs I want to see in Guitar Hero 6.

I gave up with Guitar Hero long ago. There's so much they could put in from the metal genre but 99.9% of them are never going to see the light of day on there. Although the gameplay is completely different, this is why I prefer Audiosurf since I can play any song of my choice without any fuss.

Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 11:23:31


At 1/14/10 09:32 PM, AniMetal wrote: I also noticed at BOTH shows the security were REALLY cracking down on people with cameras and phones when DF played and they didn't really care when the other bands played both times.

Maybe this is just a coincidence though.

Guess Dragonforce are just dicks about people filming/photographing them. I think Tool are the same.

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At 1/15/10 11:23 AM, sushi13 wrote:
At 1/14/10 09:32 PM, AniMetal wrote: I also noticed at BOTH shows the security were REALLY cracking down on people with cameras and phones when DF played and they didn't really care when the other bands played both times.

Maybe this is just a coincidence though.
Guess Dragonforce are just dicks about people filming/photographing them. I think Tool are the same.

I honestly don't think they care. It's not like they're Darby Crash and the Germs.


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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 12:34:44


This cock is the fucking shit...

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Response to Metal Hell 2010-01-15 13:07:08


So I went to my local music shop and picked up a few random metal albums. I like what I got.
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