At 1/2/10 07:29 PM, Nev wrote:

I don't know why I just thought of that comparison...

Funny comming from our biggest Nu-Metal fan in here. A lot of core kids look like they are always trying to mess with anyone. Core is way too often... angry music. It's not agressive like death metal, it's agressive because it sounds angry. So maybe the fact that they look angry makes you think of that comparison.
But Limp Bizkit looks more like guys who messes around just to mess around.

At 1/2/10 07:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Funny comming from our biggest Nu-Metal fan in here.

I find some of the music catchy. Nothing more.
And Limp Bizkit are the sort of band who sound aggressive, but actually would squirm their way out of any confrontation :P.

At 1/2/10 07:39 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/2/10 07:35 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Funny comming from our biggest Nu-Metal fan in here.

I find some of the music catchy. Nothing more.
And Limp Bizkit are the sort of band who sound aggressive, but actually would squirm their way out of any confrontation :P.

Haha!

Hey guys... DOPETHRONE !!!

The difference between metalcore/nu-metal is mainly the fanbase and influences.

You can also compare the band to a later Alternative band. If you can hear some similarities, than you can assume it's nu-metal or core.

At 1/2/10 07:03 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I guess I cannot really explain what makes them core other than the general structure in their music, their kind of melodies, the kind of chugging riffs. Many different elements like this.

mm I always thought they sounded metal as fuck, have you heard all of their albums? Unhallowed is nothing like the latest 2, like at all.

When The Last Grave Has Emptied - Unhallowed

I Worship Only What You Bleed - Nocturnal (my favourite song)

And their band pictures :P (FUCKING STRETCHY SHITS)

The only band members I actually like are sexy Trevor (vocalist) and Shannon (drums), I love Trevors voice and Shannon is beasty drummer

All Shall Perish
Bring Me The Horizon (before their ultimate sell-out album they just released)
Parkway Drive? (I'm not sure about this one)
The Agonist

wow, completely forgot about them, PwD and TA are 2 of my favourite bands..I'm a twat.

Need I say more? :O

I stand very much corrected good sir

Eh. Metal Archives isnt the emperor of metal, like Jessee Jackson is to black people. And I dont really think a band's image or band name really defines their genre.

Agree to disagree, I guess.

I get Nev's analogy perfectly. They are that kind of fake growling agression that Bring Me The Horizon has. Where it doesnt sound like they are necessarily mean at all. Where you would never directly fuck with the lead singer of Ensiferum. That nagga can have a mean manly scream.

*swoon*

Lol, nu metal is so bad every time I hear it I start crying and laughing at the same time.

Core sucks too, but not as bad. Only 2 core bands are good, and they are the Black Dahlia Murder and Suicide Silence.

I got my Slough Feg shirt today

fuck yeah

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote: I get Nev's analogy perfectly.

Same, after listening to more BMTH especially, you just know if you started on Mr. Sykes that he would simply cower, he may be 6'2 but he's lanky and ridiculously skinny. lol.

ATR's Phill Labonte is still a guy I wouldn't want to fuck with, he seems nice though, and his natural voice is actually quite deep, so the screaming/growling works for him imo.

You guys will love this

I reckon some of you might have already heard them, but fucking hell, is there a band more scene, generic, douchey and simple?

I mean where do you begin? The ridiculous headbanging? the autotuned vocals? the 'crabcore' label? or how about the fact that every member of the band as the exact same haircut.

I also love their musical writing skills, starting the song with a breakdown, genius.

yes I'm bored, gtfo

At 1/2/10 06:30 PM, Nev wrote: Blind Guardian are amazing.
'Nuff said!

No denying it. :D

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Eh. Metal Archives isnt the emperor of metal

Of course not. I could go on about what should be there and what shouldn't be there. However, I will give them credit for having good sources for almost ANY band on the site.

At 1/3/10 12:08 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: I got my Slough Feg shirt today

fuck yeah

Awesome, I'm still waiting for the 4 CDs to arrive which I ordered from their site so hopefully the longest I have to wait for is the end of next week.

At 1/3/10 05:54 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote:

ATR's Phill Labonte is still a guy I wouldn't want to fuck with, he seems nice though, and his natural voice is actually quite deep, so the screaming/growling works for him imo.

Im sorry, but FUCK PHILL LABONTE. He seems like the biggest asshole ever. My proof? Shanon Lucas. That man is the nicest guy I have EVER met, he's a huge polite straight edged teddy bear. And yet Phil has some beef with him. He probably tried to get Shanon to drink a beer and when he said no, Phil went apeshit and spit at him and beat up his dog or something.

Fucking prick. >:l Plus his smug level is untouchable.

At 1/3/10 12:36 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Shanon Lucas.

<3

And yet Phil has some beef with him. He probably tried to get Shanon to drink a beer and when he said no, Phil went apeshit and spit at him and beat up his dog or something.

:s

Fucking prick. >:l Plus his smug level is untouchable.

I'll admit he comes off as smug, but I won't judge him till I meet him, if I ever do.

At 1/3/10 05:54 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: Same, after listening to more BMTH especially, you just know if you started on Mr. Sykes that he would simply cower, he may be 6'2 but he's lanky and ridiculously skinny. lol.

I don't think either of you have. Go and read it again.
It's nothing to do with violence towards either band. It's about the way the -core bands seem like aggressive pricks who make things uncomfortable and needlessly threatening, whether they're actually capable of fighting or not.

At 1/3/10 12:36 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Fucking prick. >:l Plus his smug level is untouchable.

At 1/3/10 01:05 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/3/10 12:36 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Fucking prick. >:l Plus his smug level is untouchable.

I love you Nev

At 1/2/10 08:06 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

I Worship Only What You Bleed - Nocturnal (my favourite song)

Well, I have this song amongs my TBDM's titles and they are of course very melodic death metal sounding, but I still ear a touch of core in their music. But I never said it sucked. I'm not of the common metalcore hater from the Metal Hell, you know :P

completely forgot about them, PwD and TA are 2 of my favourite bands..I'm a twat.

Haha :P

I stand very much corrected good sir

Well, you just forgot about things you already know :P

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Eh. Metal Archives isnt the emperor of metal, like Jessee Jackson is to black people. And I dont really think a band's image or band name really defines their genre.

Shit! How did you take that part seriously? You know it's not about the image. But normally when these guys try to look like the typical core-kid... you know they are not some Norwegian Black Metal band...

And also, Metal Archives is not a single person choosing randomly how a band should be classified. I have read a lot of their stuff already (reviews, additionnal notes, bands line-up). They are very accurate most of the time and their band classifications are always fitting. Not like the ones from metalstorm :P

Still very good analogy... Jessee Jackson lol

At 1/3/10 09:26 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 1/2/10 06:30 PM, Nev wrote: Blind Guardian are amazing.
'Nuff said!

No denying it. :D

They are over-rated... 'Nuff said...

At 1/3/10 12:36 PM, DrMafesto wrote:

At 1/3/10 05:54 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote:

ATR's Phill Labonte is still a guy I wouldn't want to fuck with, he seems nice though, and his natural voice is actually quite deep, so the screaming/growling works for him imo.

Im sorry, but FUCK PHILL LABONTE. He seems like the biggest asshole ever. My proof? Shanon Lucas. That man is the nicest guy I have EVER met, he's a huge polite straight edged teddy bear. And yet Phil has some beef with him. He probably tried to get Shanon to drink a beer and when he said no, Phil went apeshit and spit at him and beat up his dog or something.

Fucking prick. >:l Plus his smug level is untouchable.

How do you know about that? I mean... these guys may not be nice all the time...
Maybe he was nice with you, but he can act otherwise with other people. I don't think Phil is such a prick. Maybe he his, but from what I've seen when I saw ATR live, he his quite nice. He does seem a little pretentious though...

At 1/3/10 04:34 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: They are over-rated... 'Nuff said...

To me they're from it.
Nightfall in Middle-Earth is the best Power Metal I've ever heard.
And Then There Was Silence is the best Power Metal song I've ever heard.
They're the best Power Metal band I've seen live (and one of the best bands I've seen live in general).

I can understand why people wouldn't like them though. They're very different to your Angra's and Sonata's and the like.

At 1/3/10 04:34 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/2/10 08:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Eh. Metal Archives isnt the emperor of metal, like Jessee Jackson is to black people. And I dont really think a band's image or band name really defines their genre.

Shit! How did you take that part seriously? You know it's not about the image. But normally when these guys try to look like the typical core-kid... you know they are not some Norwegian Black Metal band...

Lol so true haha.
ButI think that band name can be linked to his genre. For example:
-Dragonforce....''dragon'' ! Power metal
-Cannibal corpse... ''Cannibal'' ! Death metal: Cuz when you are talking about killing babies...brutal death metal seems to use those lyrical subjects.
-Burzum... --» J.J.R tolk...! Black metal lyrical themes.

In this way, I suggest that in some cases, band's name offer a little idea of the genre.

At 1/3/10 05:07 PM, LaggingOut wrote: In this way, I suggest that in some cases, band's name offer a little idea of the genre.

In most cases it is true.
Band names are marketing. You pick the best name to reach your audience.
An acoustic act called Spermswamp wouldn't get far.
A pornogrind band with that name and you'd struck gold.

At 1/3/10 04:57 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/3/10 04:34 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: They are over-rated... 'Nuff said...

To me they're from it.
Nightfall in Middle-Earth is the best Power Metal I've ever heard.
And Then There Was Silence is the best Power Metal song I've ever heard.
They're the best Power Metal band I've seen live (and one of the best bands I've seen live in general).

I could consider giving them another try. But I'm really into Tolkien's universe and I just hate how cheesy they make it look. Maybe if I could overpass the fact that they are raping Tolkien's LotR, I could possibly find something i like in their music.

At 1/3/10 05:07 PM, LaggingOut wrote:

-Burzum... --» J.J.R tolk...! Black metal lyrical themes.

In this way, I suggest that in some cases, band's name offer a little idea of the genre.

Somewhat, but not for Tolkien and Black Metal. Black metal may be the genre of music in which you will find most of the Tolkien-influenced bands. But I've seen Heavy, Power, Death, Prog, Folk Metal bands with names taken from Middle Earth.

If not, it's in their lyrical themes that you will find out about it.

At 1/3/10 04:57 PM, Nev wrote: Nightfall in Middle-Earth is the best Power Metal I've ever heard.

1.) A Night At The Opera
2.) Imaginations From The Other Side
3.) Battalions Of Fear
4.) Somewhere Far Beyond
5.) Nightfall In Middle Earth
6.) Follow The Blind
7.) A Twist In The Myth
8.) Tales From The Twilight World

I don't know why everyone says Nightfall is there best album, it's a great album with all good songs but it doesn't amount anywhere near the epicness to other stuff Blind Guardian has produced.

Actually, all good songs except for Nightfall.

Nightfall the song is one of the very few songs by Blind Guardian I find boring.

And Then There Was Silence is the best Power Metal song I've ever heard.

More like the best song ever i've heard in general.

Also, I have a new found love for Edguy.

1.) Rocket Ride
2.) Vain Glory Opera
3.) Hellfire Club
4.) The new titanus album thingie
5.) Mandrake

Are there other albums worth getting?

At 1/3/10 05:33 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I could consider giving them another try. But I'm really into Tolkien's universe and I just hate how cheesy they make it look. Maybe if I could overpass the fact that they are raping Tolkien's LotR, I could possibly find something i like in their music.

I don't think Nightfall is a cheesey album at all.,, well besides the spoken bits - they're a bit cheesey. But the actual songs I think are a very classy representation of the Tolkien universe. The tone is perfect.

At 1/3/10 05:46 PM, AniMetal wrote: I don't know why everyone says Nightfall is there best album, it's a great album with all good songs but it doesn't amount anywhere near the epicness to other stuff Blind Guardian has produced.

It's the only album I've heard all the way though. And every other album by them has a song that I think is rubbish. So none of them coul be as perfect as Nightfall anyway.

Actually, all good songs except for Nightfall.

Well, of course, you're wrong :P.

Hey guys, what about R.A.M.P.? In think they're a pretty good band, metal-archives defines them as Thrash Metal, but I think there are other influences, maybe they're a bit Groove IMO, well they still excelent, excelent guitar riffs, brutal vocals, great drums, a well fitted bass, just excelent over all.

I am going to leave you their myspace: http://www.myspace.com/rampmetal

At 1/3/10 05:55 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/3/10 05:33 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I could consider giving them another try. But I'm really into Tolkien's universe and I just hate how cheesy they make it look. Maybe if I could overpass the fact that they are raping Tolkien's LotR, I could possibly find something i like in their music.

I don't think Nightfall is a cheesey album at all.,, well besides the spoken bits - they're a bit cheesey. But the actual songs I think are a very classy representation of the Tolkien universe. The tone is perfect.

The field is lost
Everything is lost
The black one has fallen from the sky and the towers in ruins lie
The enemy is within, everywhere
And with him the light, soon they will be here
Go now, my lord, while there is time
There are places below

In this song they actually make Sauron talk... and he talks like he's some teenage kid writting his first poetry after watching Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings.

I don't think they are cheesy all the time. But there really is something that isn't fitting. They make good music and all. But reading Tolkien, I just find that they are too much... too much of everything. Tolkien's fantasy books really aren't similar to what is to be found in other fantasy books.
I'm really not into all this
"The glorious knight of light went up the Mountain of Deep Sorrows to fight the dark beast of eternity at the top of the highest tower of the castle where the light shines the brightest!"

I wouldn't say that Black Metal fits Tolkien's Universe perfectly either... but I think that they at least fit a little with all the Mordor and orcs shits :P
And Black/Folk in my opinion fits Tolkien the best (in terms of metal)

But maybe I am wrong. But what I remember from my previous contacts with Blind Guardian is that I was kind of dissapointed. Especially by their joke albums. I can't remember the exact names... but I really didn't like these.

Through The Virgin Sky by Dimension Zero

At 1/3/10 06:13 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In this song they actually make Sauron talk... and he talks like he's some teenage kid writting his first poetry after watching Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings.

Well my understanding of The Simarilis (sp?) is that Sauron was only a little helper at that time. So his voice doesn't seem inappropriate to me.
And in regards to your distaste of cheese and Tolkien I'm going to say one thing... TOM BOMBADIL!

Most annoying, cheesey fuck in literature.

At 1/3/10 06:16 PM, Nev wrote:

And in regards to your distaste of cheese and Tolkien I'm going to say one thing... TOM BOMBADIL!

Most annoying, cheesey fuck in literature.

Are you serious? Tom Bombadil is the most awesome caracter of Lord of the Rings.
And according to some guys who studied the whole Tolkien universe and it's deepest corners, Tom Bombadil couldn't be anything else than a kind of God. I don't remember clearly. But I know that in Middle Earth, before there was elves, humans, orcs, dwarves and all these races, there was a few God-like living things on Middle Earth. And according to all the intense guys who read too much about Tolkien, Bombadil couldn't be anything else than one of these.
That could also explain why trees listenned to him when he told them to release the Hobbits and also why he stayed unaffected when he putted the ring on his finger.

And Tom Bombadil isn't cheesy... :'(

Well... not the power metal kind of cheese at least!

Falling Snow by Agalloch

HO, TOM BOMBADIL, TOM BOMBADIL-O!
BY WATER, WOOD, AND HILL, BY THE REED AND THE WILLOW!

Lol, Nev. Thaaaaaaaanks

At 1/3/10 04:34 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/2/10 08:06 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

Shit! How did you take that part seriously? You know it's not about the image. But normally when these guys try to look like the typical core-kid... you know they are not some Norwegian Black Metal band...

But that doesnt necessarily mean they are. They are a bunch of goofy cool guys. You don't have to be in corpse paint and have your face look like ":c" to be considered metal.
Case in point: Alexi Laiho

How do you know about that? I mean... these guys may not be nice all the time...

I've talked to him every time I've seen TBDM. Trevor one time. Shanon is a terrifically chill guy. He is in the DVD, interviews. Everything.

At 1/3/10 06:57 PM, DrMafesto wrote:

But that doesnt necessarily mean they are. They are a bunch of goofy cool guys. You don't have to be in corpse paint and have your face look like ":c" to be considered metal.
Case in point: Alexi Laiho

Alexi Laiho is somewhere between Metal and homosexuality IMO.

No you don't need to be evil-looking to be metal. But it's easy to make the difference between a core band and a metal band. You would never see stretchy shits in these guys ears.

At 1/3/10 05:33 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 1/3/10 04:57 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/3/10 04:34 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: They are over-rated... 'Nuff said...

To me they're from it.
Nightfall in Middle-Earth is the best Power Metal I've ever heard.
And Then There Was Silence is the best Power Metal song I've ever heard.
They're the best Power Metal band I've seen live (and one of the best bands I've seen live in general).

I could consider giving them another try. But I'm really into Tolkien's universe and I just hate how cheesy they make it look. Maybe if I could overpass the fact that they are raping Tolkien's LotR, I could possibly find something i like in their music.

At 1/3/10 05:07 PM, LaggingOut wrote:

-Burzum... --» J.J.R tolk...! Black metal lyrical themes.

In this way, I suggest that in some cases, band's name offer a little idea of the genre.

Somewhat, but not for Tolkien and Black Metal. Black metal may be the genre of music in which you will find most of the Tolkien-influenced bands. But I've seen Heavy, Power, Death, Prog, Folk Metal bands with names taken from Middle Earth.

If not, it's in their lyrical themes that you will find out about it.

I'm not saying that Tolkien have influence only in Black metal....But, in the case of a dark lyrical theme, with a strongness accentuation on the darkness and the creepy things...when you see a band named: Burzum,(who mean a minion of the lord Soron) you'll associate this band name to a kind of music who reach this ''Darkness'' like doom or atmospherique or black metal.

On the contrary, if you see a band with the name like ''Middle Earth Force'' :P you'll problably associate this band to Power metal.