At 1/1/10 09:58 PM, missingjack wrote: I just the rev from A7X died. I don't know bout u guys bu the guy was a really talented drummer. He will be missed.

someone missed the "A7X sucks" memo

At 1/1/10 03:26 PM, LaggingOut wrote:

At 12/31/09 08:53 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/30/09 07:54 PM, AniMetal wrote: Pop = Melodic.

Are you insulting the bands you like?

RE: I doesn't have read all the conversation between you and this guy, but I think that his point isn't bad at all. Melodic death metal band seems to be very popular in the world(Example: CoB or In flames). Samething in black metal with ''melodic or symphonic black metal band'' such as Dimmu Borgir.

My point is that Melodic bands seems to be ''easy listening'' for metalheads and non-metalheads.. Try to listen some Brain Drill for the fisrt time and you will need to take a Big brutal breath! lol.

So true :)

The fact that the time signatures and clean melodic lead riffs tend to make Melodic and Symphonic Metal a lot more easier to listen to for the non-metalhead kids.

I like how you use Brain Drill for you example :P

At 1/1/10 03:02 PM, LaggingOut wrote:

At 12/31/09 03:29 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

1. Ashes Against The Grain - Agalloch
2. The Machinations Of Dementia - Blotted Science
3. Altered Genesis - Blood Red Throne
4. Icon - Benighted
8. Wintersun - Wintersun
20. Roomservice - Panzerchrist

Nice list, ''Roomservice'' Of course! And ''Altered Genesis'' with the song: Tortured Soul Appearance= Awesome! It's kind of funny that your top albums(excluding agalloch) are all death metal bands.

How is it funny?

But it's nice to see someone who's interrested in what these guys like to call "Modern Death Metal", in the Hell. But em, did you actually asked to join? I don't remember you and you have like 3 posts on NG :P
So yeah, If you want to join you will need to post a list of 10 of your favorite metal bands first.

At 1/2/10 02:14 AM, 6Imm6ortal6 wrote:

At 1/1/10 09:58 PM, missingjack wrote: I just the rev from A7X died. I don't know bout u guys bu the guy was a really talented drummer. He will be missed.

someone missed the "A7X sucks" memo

We are still talking about the death of a man...
You may dislike a band, but actually hoping for the death of someone is kind of bad...
Well, you can joke about it, but the guy really did die... so em...

Also... it's kind of funny that you guys are all bashing on their drummer...
cause if there is one thing that doesn't suck about their music... it's the drums...
But I have to admit that the guy was the ugliest piece of emoness of the band... after the guitarist of course.

At 1/1/10 08:02 AM, AniMetal wrote: Only difference is that Alestorm sucks.

Swashbuckle is actually good.

stfu, Alestorm is good too. Not as good as Swashbuckle of course, but still fun to watch and listen to.

At 1/1/10 09:49 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/31/09 08:51 AM, Coop83 wrote: Well, You've just got to have one of Dragonforce's offerings here. Ultra Beatdown or Inhuman Rampage, since they have enabled this band to really step up to the plate as a great power metal act.

I thought Ultra Beatdown was their weakest. That was the album that really showed no progression with their music. It really disappointed me when I hoped they'd at least change something but that's not something they considered. I could hope they actually do it for their next album but chances are, I'm only going to be disappointed again.

I think that was the reason I chose Inhuman Rampage in the end. That and I can't stand people choosing one band ad infinitum, since these people show little to no interest in the wider music world.

We can but hope that Dragonforce return to the fore with their next offering, since it should be something that makes a lasting impression.

At 1/2/10 12:47 AM, Idiosyncratic wrote: He's not a cigarette you silly moose, you.

When I miss you lips, I'll put a fag in my mouth and think of you.

At 1/2/10 07:31 AM, Coop83 wrote: We can but hope that Dragonforce return to the fore with their next offering, since it should be something that makes a lasting impression.

I reckon its a safe bet to say that they won't.

At 1/2/10 11:50 AM, Nev wrote: I reckon its a safe bet to say that they won't.

^ This

They're already rolling in it after Guitar Hero 3, which did bring them to the attention of the mainstream media btw, and thus thousands of naive little 13 year old fuckers bought Inhuman Rampage thinking it was the heaviest shit ever.

At 1/2/10 12:30 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: They're already rolling in it after Guitar Hero 3

Indeed, I actually blame that game for their utter laziness in Ultra Beatdown and most likely their upcoming album as well.

At 4/15/04 11:07 PM, SoulShadower wrote: Good bands:

An Albatross
Anathema
As I Lay Dying (core music)
At The Gates (core music)
Black Dahlia Murder (core music)
Children of Bodom (melo death...)
Cradle of Filth
Darkest Hour
Dimmu Borgir (symphonic black...)
Emperor
Graveworm
Iced Earth
In Flames (R.I.P was melo death)
Iron Maiden (early metal :) )
Kamahl (melo death)
Katatonia
Nightwish
Limbonic Art

Those are basically all the metal bands I listen to.

Not bad, but in general, those band are the most ''cheesy'' in the metal scene.

And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

At 1/2/10 02:00 PM, LaggingOut wrote: And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

There is no debate. The only answer you'll get from this place is no.

At 1/2/10 02:00 PM, LaggingOut wrote: Not bad, but in general, those band are the most ''cheesy'' in the metal scene.

And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

That post is six years old, esé.

And no, we don't accept -core as metal (except for grindcore, sometimes)

At 1/2/10 02:28 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 1/2/10 02:00 PM, LaggingOut wrote: Not bad, but in general, those band are the most ''cheesy'' in the metal scene.

And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

That post is six years old, esé.

His username seems appropriate.

At 1/2/10 02:16 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/2/10 02:00 PM, LaggingOut wrote: And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

There is no debate. The only answer you'll get from this place is no.

Debate was closed, re-opened, closed, than re-opened again and was re-closed :P

Still, I know some bands that are on the verge between two genre are still accepted as metal, but generaly they really aren't the favorites of the common underground black metal fan (stereotype ftw)

Bands like The Black Dahlia Murder, All That Remains and those who went from metal to core, like In Flames, Soilwork and the likes :P

Also, I've been looking for good Tolkien-Influenced metal bands lately. If you guys know any, please make me a sorta list (Avoid the big names I already know like Balrog, Burzum, Gorgoroth, Fag Guardian, etc.)
And I don't really like Tolkien-influenced Power Metal... but if you find a very special and not World Of Warcraft lyrical theme like.... than maybe it could do :)
Thanks.

Honestly, I dont get the arguement for The Black Dahlia Murder being core. Sure they have a few breakdowns in songs and whatnot... but I think they are much more on the metal side, musically, lyrically, vocally. Everything.

This, sirs, is core.

Not core.

At 1/2/10 04:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Fag Guardian,

What do people have against them?

Like, i'd seriously like to see someone try and argue that they suck.

Using material of theres from outside the boring "A Twist In The Myth" of course

At 1/2/10 04:24 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 1/2/10 04:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Fag Guardian,

What do people have against them?

Like, i'd seriously like to see someone try and argue that they suck.

Using material of theres from outside the boring "A Twist In The Myth" of course

I think he's just referring to Blind Guardian being the epitome of cheese, along with Rhapsody.

And honestly, I just never got that much into Blind Guardian. I mean, even being the "Resident Power Fag" I used to be, Blind Guardian just doesnt do it for me... Except for Battlefield.

Summoning is great atmospheric/epic black metal, very Tolkien influenced. I could see you liking them, Duff.

At 1/2/10 04:31 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Summoning is great atmospheric/epic black metal, very Tolkien influenced. I could see you liking them, Duff.

who doesn't like summoning?

At 1/2/10 04:53 PM, burnoutfool wrote:

At 1/2/10 04:31 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Summoning is great atmospheric/epic black metal, very Tolkien influenced. I could see you liking them, Duff.

who doesn't like summoning?

Me but only because I haven't even given them a try yet. Yeah, some of you will be appalled at me but come on, I have 100 other bands to listen to as well.

At 4/15/04 11:07 PM, SoulShadower wrote: At The Gates (core music)

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. AT THE GATES IS NOT CORE, I AM SO FUCKING DISAPPOINT IN YOU GUYS.

caps

Wow. I love Abigail William's Legend. Does anyone know of a band like them?

At 1/2/10 04:24 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 1/2/10 04:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Fag Guardian,

What do people have against them?

Like, i'd seriously like to see someone try and argue that they suck.

Using material of theres from outside the boring "A Twist In The Myth" of course

I really Tolkien-Influenced Metal... but they just do it wrong... They are too happy pony ride in the forest for my tastes. Tolkien has a darker universe.
Here, go read what I wrote on last.fm on the subject.

I just don't feel like restating the whole thing. So go read it if you are interrested.

Other than this... they really are just too cheesy... and there is something that really just doesn't do it. They look pretentious. And... as I said before... I think their lyrics would fit better with World Of Warcraft than LotR...

Their music is kind of interrestind though. Not my genre still :P

Maybe the fact that they are one of the most overated bands in metal makes us when to pull their back to the place they really deserve :P

At 1/2/10 04:31 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Summoning is great atmospheric/epic black metal, very Tolkien influenced. I could see you liking them, Duff.

Good :)
I'll take a look at this soooooooon.
Thanks Denta.

At 1/2/10 04:21 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Honestly, I dont get the arguement for The Black Dahlia Murder being core. Sure they have a few breakdowns in songs and whatnot... but I think they are much more on the metal side, musically, lyrically, vocally. Everything.

Very well fucking said, I was going to post more or less the exact same thing, WoP/TBDM comparison and all ha.

TBDM are so not core, like at all, anyone saying they are have you actually listened to the new album especially? It's not even as melodic as Nocturnal.

Also I don't know of any core bands that don't have clean vocals...

At 1/2/10 05:55 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 1/2/10 04:21 PM, DrMafesto wrote: Honestly, I dont get the arguement for The Black Dahlia Murder being core. Sure they have a few breakdowns in songs and whatnot... but I think they are much more on the metal side, musically, lyrically, vocally. Everything.

Very well fucking said, I was going to post more or less the exact same thing, WoP/TBDM comparison and all ha.

TBDM are so not core, like at all, anyone saying they are have you actually listened to the new album especially? It's not even as melodic as Nocturnal.

Also I don't know of any core bands that don't have clean vocals...

.... ok ... so if I would take Bullet For My Valentine and remove all the clean vocs they would stop being core?
I guess you are just way of the track when it comes to understanding what elements in music is making them core.

Go on Metal Archives... search for TBDM and you'll see I'm not the only one to think they are Melodic Death Metal/Metalcore

And again, it's not only breakdowns that make a band core.

Blind Guardian are amazing.
'Nuff said!

New Fleurety, Sigh, AND Borknagar already set to come out this year. happy happy.

At 1/2/10 02:37 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 1/2/10 02:28 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 1/2/10 02:00 PM, LaggingOut wrote: Not bad, but in general, those band are the most ''cheesy'' in the metal scene.

And now there is a little debate on : Does core music= metal music???

That post is six years old, esé.

His username seems appropriate.

lol

At 1/2/10 04:31 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Summoning is great atmospheric/epic black metal, very Tolkien influenced. I could see you liking them, Duff.

I have like all their albums cuz I went on a downloading binge a couple years ago. Honestly, I iften find the keys off-putting, but they still had their good stuff.

At 1/2/10 05:28 PM, mothballs wrote:

At 4/15/04 11:07 PM, SoulShadower wrote: At The Gates (core music)

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. AT THE GATES IS NOT CORE, I AM SO FUCKING DISAPPOINT IN YOU GUYS.

caps

I don't think he can hear you back there in 2004.

Ulver - Limbo Central

At 1/2/10 06:14 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: .... ok ... so if I would take Bullet For My Valentine and remove all the clean vocs they would stop being core?

*sigh* I never said that clean vocals are what make a band core, i said I don't know of any core bands that do not have clean vocals, i'll happily stand corrected if required.

I guess you are just way of the track when it comes to understanding what elements in music is making them core.

I'll admit I'm a bit rubbish at defining a bands genre, but that's because I generally don't give a fuck, if it sounds good to me, I like it.

Go on Metal Archives... search for TBDM and you'll see I'm not the only one to think they are Melodic Death Metal/Metalcore

At the end of the day, it'sa person saying what genre they think the band is, and people make mistakes.

Explain to me what makes them core in your opinion.

And again, it's not only breakdowns that make a band core.

I do know that..

At 1/2/10 06:36 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: Explain to me what makes them core in your opinion.

I guess I cannot really explain what makes them core other than the general structure in their music, their kind of melodies, the kind of chugging riffs. Many different elements like this. And their band pictures :P (FUCKING STRETCHY SHITS)

Core bands without clean vocals?
Ok

All Shall Perish
As I Lay Dying (before An Ocean Between Us)
Bring Me The Horizon (before their ultimate sell-out album they just released)
Bury Your Dead
Parkway Drive? (I'm not sure about this one)
The Agonist

Need I say more? :O

Hi. I'm a hippie getting ready to go metalhead.

So far I have the following stuff (Numbers mean albums):
- Megadeth (2)
- Metallica (1)
-Slayer (1)
-Queenscrythe (2 or more)
-Telsa (2) A little to glammy for my tastes.

Now, I'm thinking Thrash, Speed, Prog and Stoner.
Any other ideas?

I wouldn't say the clean vocals in core are at all defining of the genre. The rubbish attempts at growls and shouting are what I think of when I think of core.
You listen to the shouting in things like Dystopia and Lazarus Blackstar and it has a genuine scary aggression.

The vocals sound like guys who are genuinely nice blokes, but you wouldn't want to fuck with them.
Core vocalists sound like the sort of cunts that aren't particularly hard, but would start a fight just because their pricks who ruin a night for everyone else.

I don't know why I just thought of that comparison...

At 1/2/10 07:28 PM, igott wrote: - Megadeth (2)

I hope one of those is Rust in Peace. Otherwise, change that to 3 :P.

Now, I'm thinking Thrash, Speed, Prog and Stoner.

You've got some Thrash, but mainly the rubbishy bands that people grow out of. I recommend Tankard, early Exodus, GWAR and Municipal Waste.

Speed ain't by bag, someone else can help you there.

Prog you needn't go further than Dream Theater, Symphony X, Devin Townsend and perhaps Opeth if you want a touch of Death Metal. And if you do want a touch of Death, then you need Death and Cynic :D.

Stoner: Electric Wizard, Om, Bongzilla, Weedeater.