At 11/18/09 07:33 PM, Nev wrote: I bought an Individual Thought Patterns shirt that was tits but it was out of stock so I was refunded. And I've since been unable to afford one :(.

Bummer. I know what somebody wants for Christmas!!!

this is so exciting!

At 11/17/09 06:20 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: That's like saying "Tankard is thrash? Their name sounds much more alcohol-ish". as if pirate metal were ever a genre.

Calling Alestorm folk metal is a bit insulting though. Their music is so damn piratey. It's pirate metal.

Red Fang look fucking sweet, thanks Dent.

At 11/19/09 05:54 AM, PenisClown wrote: Calling Alestorm folk metal is a bit insulting though.

Folk influneced = / = Folk Metal.

They are power metal and swashbuckle are thrash metal.

Their music is so damn piratey. It's pirate metal.

At 11/18/09 05:24 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: my number one favorite is the Death logo. The details are sinister and I love the design.

There's no denying the awesomeness of their logo. I'll also agree with Nev for mentioning Helloween. One other logo I have to mention is Iron Maiden's. It's simple but effective.

Death has a shit logo. oooh look at how spooky we are, we've got spiderwebs and the grim reaper. The name itself sucks also.

At 11/19/09 11:33 AM, DeIirium wrote: Death has a shit logo. oooh look at how spooky we are, we've got spiderwebs and the grim reaper. The name itself sucks also.

You're wrong, of course.

At 11/19/09 04:06 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/19/09 11:33 AM, DeIirium wrote: Death has a shit logo. oooh look at how spooky we are, we've got spiderwebs and the grim reaper. The name itself sucks also.

You're wrong, of course.

Nope. Death is just a really boring name for a band, and spiderwebs and the grim reaper belong in kindergarten halloween decoration.

At 11/19/09 04:23 PM, DeIirium wrote: Nope. Death is just a really boring name for a band, and spiderwebs and the grim reaper belong in kindergarten halloween decoration.

Nowadays your points would be valid, but Death started 25 years ago. Death wouldn't of been a boring name back then. You can pretty much be assured they got their first, given how their just Death and not Death Something or Something Death.

At 11/19/09 04:30 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/19/09 04:23 PM, DeIirium wrote: Nope. Death is just a really boring name for a band, and spiderwebs and the grim reaper belong in kindergarten halloween decoration.

Nowadays your points would be valid, but Death started 25 years ago. Death wouldn't of been a boring name back then. You can pretty much be assured they got their first, given how their just Death and not Death Something or Something Death.

There was actually a punk rock band called Death in the 70's.

Death is a pretty bland, uninspired name, but I always liked the logo.

Naglfar has an awsome logo. You can hardly read it though.

At 11/19/09 05:28 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Death is a pretty bland, uninspired name, but I always liked the logo.

I completely disagree.
It's usage with Metal now is bland, but due to Death's age I think its fine.
Plus given its simplicity and the lack of other Metal bands with such a name (at the time) I don't think its uninspired at all.

I love Death's name. I hate names that go over-the-top, because then they're just ridiculous. Your mind will reject the fear of a "Cannibal Corpse." Oh, cool, a dead body that eats people. That's just ridiculous. I also hate names that take some obscure term from Lord of the Rings or Norse religion or a pre-med textbook, because they, to me, scream "HEY WE ARE A BAND THAT IS TRYING TO HARD."

Death is death. There doesn't need to be anything more to their name, because death is the absolute end; nothing is more frightening than dying. All "spooky" names are just hinting at the concept of death, but Death is the one band who put it out there for all to see. I love how simple their name is. It seems uninspired because it's such a simple, everyday concept; sure, they could have just chosen it because death is scary and all that, but I think Schuldiner was too smart to have chosen "Death" based on that alone. I think he realized the beauty in its simplicity, and chose it for that reason.

TL:DR: a bunch of pseudo-psychological reasons for why Death is one of the best metal band names ever.

As for their logo, they ditched the blood and the cobwebs and all of that a few albums into their career. And regardless of their name or logo, they're still fucking awesome.

If you want a shitty band name, kindly refer to Megadeth or Helloween. Gote that I'm not bashing on either, but their names were shitty enough to keep me from checking them out when I should have (i also really dislike helloween's logo; seriously, fuck that pumpkin. it looks retarded.)

At 11/19/09 06:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: If you want a shitty band name, kindly refer to Helloween.

Helloween is a great name(Bad logo though)

It perfectly fits what Helloween was on their first, and best ever album: Walls Of Jericho which was basically thrash metal with falsetto vocals and meaningful lyrics.

At 11/19/09 08:01 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 11/19/09 06:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: If you want a shitty band name, kindly refer to Helloween.

Helloween is a great name(Bad logo though)

It perfectly fits what Helloween was on their first, and best ever album: Walls Of Jericho which was basically thrash metal with falsetto vocals and meaningful lyrics.

I'm not sure how "Helloween" fits in with meaningful lyrics.

At 11/19/09 08:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I'm not sure how "Helloween" fits in with meaningful lyrics.

I don't believe Helloween have ever had meaningful lyrics :P.

At 11/19/09 08:20 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/19/09 08:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I'm not sure how "Helloween" fits in with meaningful lyrics.

I don't believe Helloween have ever had meaningful lyrics :P.

The songs on their first album do.

How Many Tears anyone?

And I meant Helloween fits a thrash metal band.

I agree with Nev and D3NATUS. Death is the perfect name. So simple, but so appropriate. They could have overdone their name with gore or pseudo intellectual garbage, but Chuck just kept it heavy. That one word has so much meaning and the name grabs your attention.

At 11/15/09 03:32 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/15/09 04:08 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Fantastic or not, it must sucks when played live. Some music is good live and some other music is good on studio records.

You're just speculating there.
I get the impression you either don't like Drone, or have never really listened to much of it.
So I don't imagine you'd be either tolerant or knowledgable about a Drone gig.

I on the other hand think Sunn are fantastic. And I think Om are even better (though they're just Stoner Doom). So I can see myself having a good time at one of their shows. Because I like the music.

And given how atmospherical Drone is, I cannot imagine a CD being half as immersive as listening to the soundscape actually being creating in the same room as you.

I get what you mean. And I did listen to some stuff by Sunn O)))
They are pretty good. But I was only stating an opinion.
There is other good stuff that I couldn't imagine seing live... like Funki Porcini let's say...
this music is too slow, based much more on the ambience and the very few little sounds in the music. Don't get me wrong, I love the music. Guess I should give it a try maybe :P

At 11/16/09 02:35 PM, Nev wrote: Deathcore is crap.
At least with Metalcore you get songs that are catchy. And therefore, vaguely interesting.

says the biggest Wimp Bizkit fan...

At 11/16/09 08:48 PM, PenisClown wrote:

At 11/16/09 03:30 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: But my favourite Metalcore bands, are Machine Head, Lamb of God, Trivium, Shadows Fall, All That Remains and Bullet for My Valentine...

They all suck. I thought ATR were deathcore anyway.

No, no, no.
You are all wrong. All That Remains may have released a poor generic deathcore album named Overcome... but the album This Darkened Heart as everything good music needs. Great energy, good rythms, creative riffs, unique sound. You may like it or unlike it. But never shall you say it's uncreative and that it's doesn't have any kind of artistic value. Other than this, Shadows Fall did write a few good songs. Just listen to The Light That Blinds, it has a great accoustic intro, it fits very well with the track and the riffs, even if they are too "melodic" for your tastes sir "underground" ponos, are great. I wouldn't say that all their music is great though... too many line-up changes and very few great tracks. And for BFMV... I shall say no more. They are ok, if you like the genre. They may be pop and commercial, they still come up with a few interresting tracks on some of their albums.

At 11/18/09 05:25 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote:

At 11/18/09 04:51 PM, smeagol1 wrote: So what the fuck did Mayhem do?!

They trashed a hotel room.

What? No blood? No decapitated sheep head? They trashed an hotel room? That's all?
They are getting weak...

Best band logo is Xasthur's one :)

I was driving around in some arsehole's car and he started playing some ATR. Pretty shite. But its' core with complexity and that's cool.

Been listening to Mastodon's Crack the Skye. I think it's great. I much prefer it to the old 'Blood and Thunder' style I first heard from them.

Duff, go listen to Crack the Skye.

At 11/19/09 10:19 PM, PenisClown wrote: I was driving around in some arsehole's car and he started playing some ATR. Pretty shite. But its' core with complexity and that's cool.

Been listening to Mastodon's Crack the Skye. I think it's great. I much prefer it to the old 'Blood and Thunder' style I first heard from them.

Duff, go listen to Crack the Skye.

I know that was not the subject. But I've realised this recently when thinking about what we call "minimalist production". There is a difference between "poor recording" and a specific research of a particular genre.
I was comparing Nattends Madrigal by Ulver to Subliminal Genocide by Xasthur when I realised that they recording methods really cannot be compared. Some guys from the Hell said in the past that Xasthur was recording with poor quality on purpose and that really isn't true. Cause the recording quality is in fact very good. It's really just not conformist (or conform? whatever).
Which is not the case for Nattens Madrigal. For this specific album, there really isn't any kind research in their sound, they really just did record it without trying to equalize drums and lower treble and stuff like that. So most of the time, even if I hate to do so, I find myself lowering the treble when listenning to this album cause the sound is raping my ears. It's sad though, cause when I do so I feel like I'm not listenning to the album the way it was recorded. It's still a great album though.

I realised this difference when listenning to both of these albums in my car. The stereo of my car, even if it's of great quality couldn't make the sound of Nattens Madrigal less ear-raping. So when I listen to it in my car I keep the volume at something lik 12, the maximum being 40.

But when I put Prison Of Mirrors in my car, I always find myself turning the volume up to 32, which is making the sound even better. In fact it's with a car stereo that I really learned to appreciate Xasthur's music, because I could really ear everything very well in their music.

The point I'm trying to make is that there really is a difference between poor quality recording and em... I can't find one word to explain it... so let's calls this "a specific sound that the band members were looking for".

And if you guys never tried before, you should really try listenning to that specific track in your car. The bass is going to fuckin kill you and you'll learn to listen to keys in a brand new way :)

And em, I'll listen to that album an another day, when I have time. But, let's make a deal. I listen to your stuff and you go check out the album : The Wind, The Trees and The Shadows Of The Past
by the band: The Morningside

Tell me what you think faggot (notice the "o" in faggot, Ponos)

I dunno about The Morningside. Hope they're not boring.

And interestingly, I want to become an audio engineer and record bands and shit. I like the production of Nattens Madrigal because it is about the music, the raw energy and anger. Xasthur probably needs a modern production. The guy is slower and less innovative than Ulver. Atleast with a modern production the music becomes cool to listen to. And keys sound shite unless everything is recorded nice and slick.

At 11/19/09 11:35 PM, PenisClown wrote: I dunno about The Morningside. Hope they're not boring.

And interestingly, I want to become an audio engineer and record bands and shit. I like the production of Nattens Madrigal because it is about the music, the raw energy and anger. Xasthur probably needs a modern production. The guy is slower and less innovative than Ulver. Atleast with a modern production the music becomes cool to listen to. And keys sound shite unless everything is recorded nice and slick.

I wouldn't say that. I think that the fact that the keys sound clearer than the guitars helps making up the depressive and misanthropist feeling of the music. The guitar's sounds are saturated and adds to the feeling of alienation (it's a french word, can't say if it can really be translated to english). I'm not expressing my thoughts as good in english as I do in french?
But do you get the idea?
I think the sound in Xasthur is really important because it's making the whole depressive ambience reach an higher level.
Ulver, I agree, is a better band. Ulver is amongst my favorite artists, but I like Bergtatt better than Nattens Madrigal. The sound of Bergtatt is just great, it couldn't be better in anyway. Nattes Madrigal is one of the greatest Raw Black Metal records I've heard, for the quality of the guitar riffs, the great (and somewhat funny because it sound so clear and light compared to the ear-raping sound of the guitars) bass line and the great vocals. The feeling created by the poor quality of the record is good. But I still think it could be just a little better. The drums are barely innaudible, there is that "eternal distortion guitar" sound that starts from the first second of the album and that ends with the last note of it and there should be less treble. Other than this, nothing too say about the production or album itself.

But I stick to my point that Xasthur shouldn't change anything about is sound. It's perfect as it is. I agree that he his less innovative than Ulver. But I'd say they are very different kind of artists. The guy from Xasthur looks more like a Misanthropist that is trying to deliver a message of hatred, dissilusion and depression through music. But Garm really is the defenition of an artist. Proof is that he is not sticking to only one genre of music, as he is trying to explore music as a whole.

At 11/19/09 11:10 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Tell me what you think faggot (notice the "o" in faggot, Ponos)

man, and i was so happy that you guys were having a normal, civilized discussion, too.

At 11/19/09 06:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

That's just ridiculous. I also hate names that take some obscure term from Lord of the Rings or Norse religion or a pre-med textbook, because they, to me, scream "HEY WE ARE A BAND THAT IS TRYING TO HARD."

OPINIONS !!!

What you just said is an huge insult to almost every fuckin Folk or folk-influenced band. You are not trying too hard just because you are interrested in Mythology or one of the best fantasy novel ever written.

Death is death. There doesn't need to be anything more to their name, because death is the absolute end; nothing is more frightening than dying.

Nothing is more frightning than dying?

I will try to find that one quote from Cod MW2.
I don't know the exact words, but it means that knowing the end is near can be conforting, being able to see the end of the line can be a big stress and anxiety relief.

Death is not the most frightening thing. Death is not frightening in itself. The unknown is far worst. Not knowing what comes after death is worst than death itself.

Other than this. Have you ever heard of what parents goes through if their kids dissapear and that the body is never found? It's not the fact that they are scared that their kid died that would be the worst. The worst is not knowing what happenned to your kid.

So em... sorry... huge rant on "why death is not the most frightening thing"

For band logos, I quite like Obituary's

At 11/20/09 01:17 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 11/19/09 06:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

That's just ridiculous. I also hate names that take some obscure term from Lord of the Rings or Norse religion or a pre-med textbook, because they, to me, scream "HEY WE ARE A BAND THAT IS TRYING TO HARD."

OPINIONS !!!

Hence why I said "they, to me."

What you just said is an huge insult to almost every fuckin Folk or folk-influenced band. You are not trying too hard just because you are interrested in Mythology or one of the best fantasy novel ever written.

I can think of tons of folk bands without a name from LotR or Norse mythology:

Ensiferum
Finntroll
Equilibrium
Agalloch
Borknagar
Dark Forest
Eluveitie
Equilibrium
The Lord Weird Slough Feg
Mael Mordha
Moonsorrow
Skyforger
Ulver
Vintersorg
Windir

also, note that i don't hate bands with these names, just the names themselves. the band may not actually be trying too hard, but when i see names like that i instantly think of the metal posers at my school going on the wikipedia for LotR and looking up stuff for their "band" name.

So em... sorry... huge rant on "why death is not the most frightening thing"

You know where the fear of the unknown comes from? The fear of death. Whether you realize it or not, you instinctively associate the unknown with death. Nearly every fear can be traced back to the fear of death in some way, except for learned social fears like public speaking, talking to the opposite sex, etc. Fear of the dark? Fearing the dark comes from fearing the unknown, which in turn makes you fear death. Fearing bodily harm? Pain is a way of telling your body that you are in danger and could possibly be about to die; therefore, fearing pain is fearing death. What's funny, though, is that a lot of people take this a step further and fear death not only because it's the end of their life, but also because they fear what comes after it.

At 11/19/09 11:33 AM, DeIirium wrote: The name itself sucks also.

Simple but effective my friend. :)

At 11/19/09 06:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: If you want a shitty band name, kindly refer to Megadeth or Helloween.

I wouldn't say shitty but they are definitely silly. We love them nonetheless, though.

At 11/19/09 08:20 PM, Nev wrote:

At 11/19/09 08:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I'm not sure how "Helloween" fits in with meaningful lyrics.

I don't believe Helloween have ever had meaningful lyrics :P.

Even I thought that was a silly statement.

At 11/20/09 09:35 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

So em... sorry... huge rant on "why death is not the most frightening thing"

You know where the fear of the unknown comes from? The fear of death. Whether you realize it or not, you instinctively associate the unknown with death. Nearly every fear can be traced back to the fear of death in some way, except for learned social fears like public speaking, talking to the opposite sex, etc. Fear of the dark? Fearing the dark comes from fearing the unknown, which in turn makes you fear death. Fearing bodily harm? Pain is a way of telling your body that you are in danger and could possibly be about to die; therefore, fearing pain is fearing death. What's funny, though, is that a lot of people take this a step further and fear death not only because it's the end of their life, but also because they fear what comes after it.

Even if linked to the concept of death if many ways, the unknown doesn't belong exclusively to the concept of death. As in my example, the idea of not knowing if your kid is dead or alive is even worst than knowing he's dead.
Fearing pain is just natural. You, even if lot's of religious dudes won't admit it, are just like animals. You have this instinct that tells you to survive. And other than this, a good reason why you fear pain is because of your nerves. If I could in a very magical way, make you invincible, but that you could still feel pain, you wouldn't try jumping down a 4 story building, only cause you the pain would be horrible.

Let's imagine a world that would be exactly like ours, but in which you would know what happens after your death. Death, depending on what the afterlife would be, would become less frightening.
To make the explanation a little more simple, let's just say that...
Death is a concept that includes other concepts, one of them being "The Unknown". Death itself isn't that frightening without the concept of the unknown.

So em, I'm right, but you are still right two...

At 11/20/09 09:35 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

So em... sorry... huge rant on "why death is not the most frightening thing"

You know where the fear of the unknown comes from? The fear of death. Whether you realize it or not, you instinctively associate the unknown with death. Nearly every fear can be traced back to the fear of death in some way, except for learned social fears like public speaking, talking to the opposite sex, etc. Fear of the dark? Fearing the dark comes from fearing the unknown, which in turn makes you fear death. Fearing bodily harm? Pain is a way of telling your body that you are in danger and could possibly be about to die; therefore, fearing pain is fearing death. What's funny, though, is that a lot of people take this a step further and fear death not only because it's the end of their life, but also because they fear what comes after it.

Even if linked to the concept of death if many ways, the unknown doesn't belong exclusively to the concept of death. As in my example, the idea of not knowing if your kid is dead or alive is even worst than knowing he's dead.
Fearing pain is just natural. You, even if lot's of religious dudes won't admit it, are just like animals. You have this instinct that tells you to survive. And other than this, a good reason why you fear pain is because of your nerves. If I could in a very magical way, make you invincible, but that you could still feel pain, you wouldn't try jumping down a 4 story building, only cause you the pain would be horrible.

Let's imagine a world that would be exactly like ours, but in which you would know what happens after your death. Death, depending on what the afterlife would be, would become less frightening.
To make the explanation a little more simple, let's just say that...
Death is a concept that includes other concepts, one of them being "The Unknown". Death itself isn't that frightening without the concept of the unknown.

So em, I'm right, but you are still right two...