At 8/26/09 09:52 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: awesome guitar riffs and solos that have repeated in my head many times in all the years after I first heard the album, I dig the choruses and the rhythm of the drums, good songwriting in general, I don't really care about lyrics, I don't really remember the title track very well and don't care, etc.

All the songs on V and Odyssey have much more memorable rifts and solos. (Except out of the ashes I guess)

Twilight in Olympus has Church of the Machine.

And Through The Looking Glass, and Smoke + Mirrors, and In The Dragons Den.

V has - Evolution, Fallen, Communion and the Oracle, Egypt, Absence of Light and A Fool's Paradise.

Odyssey has Odyssey, Inferno, King Of Terrors, The Turning, Accolade II and Awakenings.

Exactly.

At 8/26/09 09:55 PM, AniMetal wrote: Hey guys, let's compare Megadeth and Kreator because they're both thrash metal with melodic elements, violence related lyrics and a sort of progressive feel in some songs.

If someone told me they liked Megadeth I'd recommend Kreator to them, sure. Why not. Seems reasonable.

Your point didn't do anything :P.
Music doesn't have to be exactly similar to be comparable. Unique qualities and differences are essential in keeping bands interesting in their own right.
But at the core Dream Theater and Symphony X share many similar qualities. There really is no way to disagree that point. If you do disagree then you really don't understand music.

At 8/26/09 10:00 PM, AniMetal wrote: And Through The Looking Glass, and Smoke + Mirrors, and In The Dragons Den.

I'll give ya SMoke and Mirrors.

V has - Evolution, Fallen, Communion and the Oracle, Egypt, Absence of Light and A Fool's Paradise.

Odyssey has Odyssey, Inferno, King Of Terrors, The Turning, Accolade II and Awakenings.

You seem to be under the impression that I don't think that V and Odyssey are also among the best They've ever done, which would be inaccurate.

At 8/26/09 11:29 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

And Through The Looking Glass, and Smoke + Mirrors, and In The Dragons Den.

I'll give ya SMoke and Mirrors.

Through The Looking Glass is one of the most beautiful songs they've ever made, along with A Winter's Dream, Edge Of Forever and Candlelight Fantasia.

Anyway I just re-listened to Divine Wings just now, so:

Accolade = Amazing

Divine Wings Of Tragedy + Candlelight Fantasia = Both great. (Divine wings, the song, is much better than I remember it.)

Of Sins and shadows + Pharaoh = Both really good (Still prefer Sins and shadows live version though)

Out Of The Ashes + Eyes Of The Medusa = Both good. (But they become old fast)

Sea Of Lies + The witching Hour = Both really boring with annoying chorus's, (Although great bass in Sea Of Lies)

My opinion, I own all seven SX albums and i'll rank them from most favorite to least favorite:

1.) V
2.) Odyssey
(Amazing albums^)
3.) Twilight In Olympus
4.) Divine Wings Of Tradegy
(Great albums^)
5.) The Damnation Game
6.) Paradise Lost
(Good albums^)

And I like to think of Symphony X(Album) has a separate thing all together. Why? Different singer, a lot less Progressive and technical and way more traditional power metal.

What do you guys think about Blackguard? They're gonna be in a concert I might go to in a future, and don't know if they're worth checking out.

What says you?

I associate Dream Theater and Symphony X in my head. They are definitely pretty similar.

At 8/26/09 11:42 PM, jew193 wrote: What do you guys think about Blackguard? They're gonna be in a concert I might go to in a future, and don't know if they're worth checking out.

What says you?

Playing with anyone else?

I'd say yay, they're pretty good.

i'd like to point out that Dream Theater is Symphony X's number one "similar artist" on last.fm and Symphony X is Dream Theater's first similar artist that isn't a solo effort or side project of DT.

At 8/27/09 12:05 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: i'd like to point out that Dream Theater is Symphony X's number one "similar artist" on last.fm and Symphony X is Dream Theater's first similar artist that isn't a solo effort or side project of DT.

Because they're both PURELY progressive metal, nearly ALL progressive metal are also another genre of metal - Whether it be power, death, thrash, etc.

(Although Pre-Odyssey SX has a lot of power metal and Neo-Classical metal elements)

At 8/26/09 11:55 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/26/09 11:42 PM, jew193 wrote: What do you guys think about Blackguard? They're gonna be in a concert I might go to in a future, and don't know if they're worth checking out.

What says you?

Playing with anyone else?

Ensiferum, who I like, Hypocrisy, who I have yet to get into(good?) and Ex Deo, who I've never heard of. Don't know how, but I've heard of Blackguard somewhere

I'd say yay, they're pretty good.

so you're saying they're similar

At 8/27/09 12:15 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: so you're saying they're similar

In the same way Helloween and Sonata Arctica are similar.

Also, is Blackguards stuff when they were Profugus Mortis good?

At 8/27/09 12:15 AM, jew193 wrote:

At 8/26/09 11:55 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/26/09 11:42 PM, jew193 wrote:

Ensiferum, who I like, Hypocrisy, who I have yet to get into(good?) and Ex Deo, who I've never heard of. Don't know how, but I've heard of Blackguard somewhere

I'd say yay, they're pretty good.

Hypocrisy is good, Ex Deo is a Kataklysm side project that is based on the Roman Empire

So i finally got my new Municipal Waste stuff in the mail, it kicks ass. The albums vocals could use a bit of a kick from the Hazardous Mutation days, but i have only just listened to the first 3 tracks. The riffs and all sound a lot like The Art Of Partying, which is good. Im just sad there isn't any sign of drinking songs or other stuff like that on this album :(

the shirt/patch/badges/arm band kick serious ass though.

I was trying to make a serious point. I listened to the first minute of it and then stopped. God, it was bad. Cheesey classical stuff with chuggs, it just doesn't work. Mainly because I like REAL metal that doesn't chugg a lot, and I like REAL classical music. Not that incredibly lame shiteness that is the first minute I heard of the Odyssey by Symphony X.

At 8/26/09 03:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: is this a bad time to say that i also love nightfall in middle-earth?

Nightfall is fucking awesome! However, I sometimes debate whether it's better than Imaginations or not so the two albums are equally ranked at the top for me.

At 8/26/09 04:02 PM, AniMetal wrote: Can't wait for BG's next album, coming out in February 2010! :D

Really? I heard it wasn't coming out until the end of next year.

At 8/26/09 09:00 PM, AniMetal wrote: Blind Guardian has way better stuff than Nightfall In Middle Earth, besides a Dark Passage and Time Stands still that album is sooooooo mih.

Into the Storm, Nightfall, Blood Tears, Mirror Mirror and Thorn are also awesome.

At 8/26/09 09:46 PM, Nev wrote: I don't like early BG much

It's not for everyone but there are still some fucking awesome stuff in their first two albums.

At 8/27/09 06:18 AM, PenisClown wrote: I was trying to make a serious point.

That just makes it worse.

At 8/27/09 07:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: Blood Tears

AND BLOOOOOOOD TEARS I CRY-HYYYYYYYYYYYY

curse of feanor is good too

At 8/27/09 12:16 AM, AniMetal wrote: In the same way Helloween and Sonata Arctica are similar.

Which, being power metal, can be compared.

At 8/27/09 06:18 AM, PenisClown wrote: I was trying to make a serious point.

Listen to Inferno and King of Terrors and then go sit on a broken broomstick.

At 8/27/09 07:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: Into the Storm

I don't know much Blind Guardian, but that song annoyed me after the chorus got stuck in my head.

Wtf guys. Stop yabbering on about Gayphony XXX and post something fun :/

At 8/27/09 12:44 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote: Wtf guys. Stop yabbering on about Gayphony XXX and post something fun :/

Russel Allen is going to kick your ass, being the beast that he is.

At 8/27/09 11:21 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Which, being power metal, can be compared.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean they are ZOMG SIMILAR, IF YOU LIKE ONE YOU'LL LIKE THE OTHER.

Listen to Inferno and King of Terrors and then go sit on a broken broomstick.

Or - The Turning.

At 8/27/09 12:15 AM, jew193 wrote: Ensiferum, who I like, Hypocrisy, who I have yet to get into(good?) and Ex Deo, who I've never heard of. Don't know how, but I've heard of Blackguard somewhere

Go, if not for black Guard then for Hypocrisy and Ensiferum.

At 8/27/09 07:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: Into the Storm, Nightfall, Mirror Mirror and Thorn are also awesome.

Um, no. Those songs are all mih, except for Nightfall which sucks.

(Blood Tears is great though, I admit.)

At 8/27/09 06:18 AM, PenisClown wrote: I was trying to make a serious point.

That just makes it worse.

Indeed, PONOS you can't judge a 24 minute song by any ONE minute.

MR. CROWLEY, WON'T YOU RIDE MY WHITE HORSE?!!!!!!!!!!

At 8/27/09 01:44 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/27/09 12:15 AM, jew193 wrote: Ensiferum, who I like, Hypocrisy, who I have yet to get into(good?) and Ex Deo, who I've never heard of. Don't know how, but I've heard of Blackguard somewhere

Go, if not for black Guard then for Hypocrisy and Ensiferum.

Yeah, definitely for Ensiferum. I just didn't know if Blackguard was worth checking out.

At 8/26/09 11:41 PM, AniMetal wrote: Sea Of Lies + The witching Hour = Both really boring with annoying chorus's, (Although great bass in Sea Of Lies)

Sea of Lies is one of my favourite Symphony X songs... after The Odyssey and The Accolade.
Its brilliant. The tapping lead in the song is brilliant. The riff is brilliant and I like the chorus :P.
LIIIIIIII... IIIIEEEEEESSSSSS.

At 8/27/09 12:15 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: so you're saying they're similar

I like to that my post on the last page on this issue defeated his little argument :).

Because he never retorted.... COWARD!

At 8/27/09 06:18 AM, PenisClown wrote: I was trying to make a serious point. I listened to the first minute of it and then stopped. God, it was bad.

You can't judge a 20 minute song on the first 2 minutes you boner.
Go listen to it all.

At 8/27/09 10:29 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

curse of feanor is good too

Also When Sorrow Sang and Noldor (Death Winter Reigns).

Lets just face it, Nightfall is fucking amazing.

Blue Roses - Coast (Blue Roses)

At 8/27/09 01:44 PM, AniMetal wrote: ... except for Nightfall which sucks.

*shudders violently*

Can we kick Ani out the Hell, please?

At 8/27/09 04:12 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: So i finally got my new Municipal Waste stuff in the mail, it kicks ass. The albums vocals could use a bit of a kick from the Hazardous Mutation days, but i have only just listened to the first 3 tracks. The riffs and all sound a lot like The Art Of Partying, which is good. Im just sad there isn't any sign of drinking songs or other stuff like that on this album :(

the shirt/patch/badges/arm band kick serious ass though.

I am envious, it seems like you got a real deal there. I hope to get the album pretty soon myself. Their drinking songs are their best though, I agree.

At 8/27/09 12:49 AM, jew193 wrote: Also, is Blackguards stuff when they were Profugus Mortis good?

Absolutely !!!
So It Begins is a fucking great album.

And they should have never changed their name... Blackguards is just lame...

Mustaine doing what Mustaine does best. Gloating and trying to cover his ass.

At 8/27/09 01:44 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 8/27/09 11:21 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: Which, being power metal, can be compared.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean they are ZOMG SIMILAR, IF YOU LIKE ONE YOU'LL LIKE THE OTHER.

Which is completely beside the point. They are comparable. They can be compared. Nev was comparing.

At 8/27/09 05:10 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Which is completely beside the point. They are comparable. They can be compared. Nev was comparing.

And really, even if that was the point, it'd still be true. If you like Dream Theater, chances are you'll like Symphony X.

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