At 6/28/09 12:38 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 6/28/09 12:09 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Ponos not so long ago:
"MELODEATH IS EMO LOL."

While I wouldn't call it emo I kind of agree with his notion that most of it is poppy and hard to take seriously. The older I get I find most of it hard to listen to.

In each and every genre of music there is cheesy and ridiculous laughable shit. But you can't judge of a genre by the worst of his artists.

Real melodic death is not supposed to be poppy. It' supposed to be Death Metal with more lead guitars, some clean vocals if you want to and some parts with clean guitars. Maybe you could check out "Death In My Arms" by All That Remains, that's pretty much what I'm talking about.

At 6/28/09 04:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Real melodic death is not supposed to be poppy. It' supposed to be Death Metal with more lead guitars, some clean vocals if you want to and some parts with clean guitars. Maybe you could check out "Death In My Arms" by All That Remains, that's pretty much what I'm talking about.

ATR = / = Melodeath metal

Good example of Melodic Death Metal = Epicurean.

At 6/28/09 12:09 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Ponos not so long ago:
"MELODEATH IS EMO LOL."

Melodeath and emocore/metalcore are pretty similar and I don't like a lot of melodeath. The band I play in aren't really my cup of tea but atleast they're not metalcore.

At 6/28/09 12:38 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote: While I wouldn't call it emo I kind of agree with his notion that most of it is poppy and hard to take seriously. The older I get I find most of it hard to listen to.

Exactly.

Duff, melodeath took death metal, added more easier to listen to melodies and a 'traditional heavy metal' influence. Emocore is pretty much melodeath with moar gheyness.

At 6/28/09 09:33 PM, PenisClown wrote: Duff, melodeath took death metal, added more easier to listen to melodies and a 'traditional heavy metal' influence. Emocore is pretty much melodeath with moar gheyness.

More like, Metalcore is Melodeath only with WAAAAAAAAAAAY more gayness and made to make 13 year olds aroused, unlike Melodeath which makes 15 year olds aroused instead.

Funny you should say that, it just made me think. I've met 30-40 year olds who love traditional metal and death metal as well as heaps of other shit (rock, blues) but the oldest person I've met who was really into melodeath/nu shit (Local melodeath bands, DevilDriver, Escape the Fate) is like 25.

Oh wait, it's because old music sucks balls in the eyes of teh emo.

.... But how come emo scene kids love Iron Maiden?

It's so confusing.

Avatism is dissapointing me. Twilight of the Idols, Down Among the Deadmen and Traveller kick it's arse.... I was hell expecting good shit, as they sounding like they were improving (Traveller being incredible also) but Avatism let me down.

The Lord Weird Slough Feg - Traders and Gunboats
Good shit

Oh and Dent, I Will Kill You/You Will Die is awesome though.

Has anyone ever noticed how Morbid Angel's albums go in alphabetical order chronologically?
See?

At 6/29/09 12:13 AM, jew193 wrote: Has anyone ever noticed how Morbid Angel's albums go in alphabetical order chronologically?
See?

Yeah, I read about that on Wikipedia. Or maybe MA.

At 6/28/09 05:19 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 6/28/09 04:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Real melodic death is not supposed to be poppy. It' supposed to be Death Metal with more lead guitars, some clean vocals if you want to and some parts with clean guitars. Maybe you could check out "Death In My Arms" by All That Remains, that's pretty much what I'm talking about.

ATR = / = Melodeath metal

ATR is somewhere between deathcore and melodic death. Still, it really cannot be classified as being a 100% core.

t 6/28/09 09:33 PM, PenisClown wrote:

Duff, melodeath took death metal, added more easier to listen to melodies and a 'traditional heavy metal' influence. Emocore is pretty much melodeath with moar gheyness.

Not really, cause if it was that way I couldn't stand melodeath, cause I can't stand emocore. The fact is that emocore only includes simple melodies and clean vocals to make their stuff more commercial and catchy. But they try to keep it heavy with lame chugging riffs and shout-screams...

Real good melodic death metal isn't like that. They include clean vocals cause they sound good and add a little something to the music. And melodic death is nice because it takes you through different moods and emotions in a single song. It mixes different genres together. Melodeath when it is well written is the definition of diversity. You have clean vocals, deep death metal growls, powerful screams and the such. Guitars can play very heavy riffs and also nice clean melodies. It's sad that you see only the negative points of it. I'm starting a musical project and I am trying to include some melodic parts to a kind of music that would sound somewhat like Blood Red Throne and other death metal bands. I love growls and screams, but clean vocals if they are not done with the only purpose of selling more records can really be awesome.

It is true though... that melodic death metal really isn't anything like death metal is... and that's sad.
I'm not the big melodeath fan that I used to be, I'm more into ambient stuff, progressive and technical death metal now. But I won't spit on these bands that I used to listen to a lot in the past.

So yeah basically, I understand what you mean... and I really can't stand people who call themselves metalheads even if they only listen to metalcore and melodic death metal stuff.

You should listen to "This Darkened Heart" by ATR... even if you don't think they are melodeath and even if you don't like them. On that particular record... they do not abuse of clean vocals... I think there is only 1 or 2 songs including clean vocals on TDH... which is not the case for The Fall Of Ideals.

Anyway, I sent a friend invite to Erlend Caspersen on Facebook. I am now friend with the most awesome bassist of all times ;P

At 6/29/09 03:05 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: ATR is somewhere between deathcore and melodic death. Still, it really cannot be classified as being a 100% core.

Look, I hate this stance. Some core = core. Stop trying to pussy out of it. That goes for the entire universe, that's not just an attack on Duff.

Not really, cause if it was that way I couldn't stand melodeath, cause I can't stand emocore.

I hell used to like it :D

The fact is that emocore only includes simple melodies and clean vocals to make their stuff more commercial and catchy. But they try to keep it heavy with lame chugging riffs and shout-screams...

Emo bands are actually trying to make the best music they possibly can, they just suck arse.

Real good melodic death metal isn't like that. They include clean vocals cause they sound good and add a little something to the music. And melodic death is nice because it takes you through different moods and emotions in a single song. It mixes different genres together. Melodeath when it is well written is the definition of diversity. You have clean vocals, deep death metal growls, powerful screams and the such.

That's so friggin naive. Do you know how many genres have growls, cleans, screams and lighter parts? That's like most fucking metal. If anything melodic death metal is the least versatile genre. Well. Apart from like power and traditional and grind. And straight up old school death metal.

Guitars can play very heavy riffs and also nice clean melodies. It's sad that you see only the negative points of it. I'm starting a musical project and I am trying to include some melodic parts to a kind of music that would sound somewhat like Blood Red Throne and other death metal bands. I love growls and screams, but clean vocals if they are not done with the only purpose of selling more records can really be awesome.

All music is melody son, it just depends on how 'nice' the scale and rhythm you use is. Studying music theory really helps me to understand this shit, it's fucking NOICE.

It is true though... that melodic death metal really isn't anything like death metal is... and that's sad.
I'm not the big melodeath fan that I used to be, I'm more into ambient stuff, progressive and technical death metal now. But I won't spit on these bands that I used to listen to a lot in the past.

Come on man, I listen to fucking hardly any straight up old school death. I'll name all the death bands I love and listen to bud.

Cannibal Corpse
Death
Pestilence
Early Sepultura (Listen to Schizophrenia and tell me it's not death metal)
Atheist
Gorguts
Gorod
Origin
Suffocation
Cynic
Opeth
Carcass

Ok, you're pretty right, not a lot of them have clean vocals and breaks. Only like, Pestilence, Atheist, Gorguts, Gorod, Cynic, and Opeth. But that's still a majority.

So yeah basically, I understand what you mean... and I really can't stand people who call themselves metalheads even if they only listen to metalcore and melodic death metal stuff.

I've never had that happen. No one walks up and says, "I love metal I'm a metalhead" to me.

You should listen to "This Darkened Heart" by ATR... even if you don't think they are melodeath and even if you don't like them. On that particular record... they do not abuse of clean vocals... I think there is only 1 or 2 songs including clean vocals on TDH... which is not the case for The Fall Of Ideals.

Ok, fucking god awful vocals. Musically, not terrible, kinda basic. And the one note chugging is pissing me off. EVERY CORE SONG EVER. FUCK FUCK FUCK. ONE NOTE CHUGS.

That was completely musically naive and unversatile, you need to listen to some decent shit right NAO. I can't believe I turned of Sepultura for that. Fuck, I'd never thought I'd say that. Doesn't it suck how shitty Sepultura got? Max Cavelera can go eat a shit sandwhich.

Porcupine Tree - Start of Something Beautiful
NAWWWWWWWWWWW

Listen to this and tell me what you think. Because that ATR song sucked.

OH HAI GUISE I LOVE MELODEATH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRXE7oLV f8

on another note i went and saw all that remains, firewind and dragonforce way back and the all that remains guy asked the crowd if they were ready for some death metal and for about 5 seconds i genuinely wondered if there was another band with them

but in all seriousness i love a good bit of melodic death

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Fvf6JFP 4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug--pwMjn WE

although its a genre ive kind of ignored for awhile, and those 2 i posted could probably be considered to sit on more of the poppy side of the equation

Maybe I'm only familiar with a few melodeath bands, but I really don't mind the music at all.

At 6/28/09 12:07 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Fuck Billy Mays died.

Man, that sucks. Last week wasn't a bright week at all.

At 6/28/09 02:43 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Too soon? Not soon enough!

It was bound to be done sooner or later.

At 6/29/09 11:08 AM, batman64 wrote: This just in:
Michael Jackson's cause of death- Food Poisoning.......
He ate some 12 year old nuts.

I feel bad because I actually thought that was real and I didn't get the joke at first.

Metalcore suck.
Deathcore sucks also, but there are SOME decent bands. You just need to know where to look.
Melodeath metal is awesome, you just need to listen to the right bands.
ATR's a terrible example of melodeath metal, even more so considering they aren't even metal period.
Lol Michael Jackson.
/END

Leaving to camp tonight, peace yall. Much love, you will be in thoughts.

I just hope I can survive the metal and newgrounds withdrawals.

Full version of headcrusher.
Its live and fairly bad quality, but i can tell that its an awesome song. Really good thrashy tune.

.... But how come emo scene kids love Iron Maiden?

iron maiden rules :3

At 6/29/09 09:41 AM, PenisClown wrote:

Look, I hate this stance. Some core = core. Stop trying to pussy out of it. That goes for the entire universe, that's not just an attack on Duff.

Some bands really only use little from the core genre. So yeah, they are core... but as Nev once said. Some bands are more like METALcore or DEATHcore. But bands like... let's say... Vanna... are more like deathCORE...

And I'm really not seing this as a personnal offense. Still, I will have to agree with you guys, there is a shitload of horrible crap on the core scene. But if there is only one good band on the core scene, than you can say core is a 100% crap.

Emo bands are actually trying to make the best music they possibly can, they just suck arse.

I wouldn't say that... go check out bands like Alesana... if these guys are not trying to make the most commercial and catchy shit in the world... than I don't know what they are doing... AND BOY, ARE THEY FUCKING CRAP ?!?

That's so friggin naive. Do you know how many genres have growls, cleans, screams and lighter parts? That's like most fucking metal. If anything melodic death metal is the least versatile genre. Well. Apart from like power and traditional and grind. And straight up old school death metal.

Well, yes. There is a lot of bands using clean vocals. Let's just say that I didn't express myself correctly. I like "the way" melodeath is using clean vocals. Cause there is a lot of clean vocals in Heavy Metal or Thrash, but I can't say they are appealing to me. And imo, clean vocals in old-school death metal are barely decent...

And maybe if you could list a few bands of melodeath, than maybe we could understand each other. My favorite Melodic Death bands are Kalmah, Dark Tranquillity, Profugus Mortis and Wintersun. I do realise that only Wintersun out of these bands is using Clean vocals. I'd say that the clean vocals I like are the clean vocals of Scar Symmetry. But please, I don't want to start a fight about Gothenburg Metal today :P

All music is melody son, it just depends on how 'nice' the scale and rhythm you use is. Studying music theory really helps me to understand this shit, it's fucking NOICE.

Again, I should have expressed myself better. I was talking about "clean lead guitar melodies"

Ok, you're pretty right, not a lot of them have clean vocals and breaks. Only like, Pestilence, Atheist, Gorguts, Gorod, Cynic, and Opeth. But that's still a majority.

But, are these clean vocals really out-standing?

I've never had that happen. No one walks up and says, "I love metal I'm a metalhead" to me.

I like it when someone say "I like metal" and then the only bands he can list are either melodic death metal or metalcore. I'm sorry but I do not consider that these guys are "metal fans", because I don't think these guys really know what metal is. To be a true metal fans... you really need to know many different bands from many different genres... and honestly... that's not the case for at least 95% of these guys who call themselves metal fans because they bought the most recent InFlames album...

Ok, fucking god awful vocals. Musically, not terrible, kinda basic. And the one note chugging is pissing me off. EVERY CORE SONG EVER. FUCK FUCK FUCK. ONE NOTE CHUGS.

fuck you can't read... I said I don't care about your opinion on the band or even the vocals. I said you should listen to the album and see there is only two songs using clean vocals on it. So obviously these guys are not using cleans only to sell more records.

That was completely musically naive and unversatile, you need to listen to some decent shit right NAO.

o rly?

I can make lists two :)
fav bands:

- Agalloch
- Blotted Science
- Blood Red Throne
- Origin
- Brain drill
- Benighted
- Ulver
- Abigail Williams
- Fleshgod Apocalypse
- Illnath
- Cryptopsy
- Equilibrium
- Megadeth
- Sonata Arctica
- Behold... The Arctopus
- Decrepit Birth
- Dream Theater

and a fucking shitload of other bands

It sucks that you think I don't like good music. Cause I share tastes with a lot of members in the Hell. So basically what you're saying when you tell me that I don't like good music, is telling about half of the people in here that they suck...

At 6/29/09 02:56 PM, AniMetal wrote: Metalcore suck.

Ehh, the only exception I can think of is Between the Buried and Me, and Becoming the Archetype if you consider them metalcore.

Deathcore sucks also, but there are SOME decent bands. You just need to know where to look.

agreed.

Melodeath metal is awesome, you just need to listen to the right bands.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if Scar Symmetry has a new album coming out with their new vocalists?

Leaving to camp tonight, peace yall. Much love, you will be in thoughts.

I just hope I can survive the metal and newgrounds withdrawals.

Good luck with that.

At 6/29/09 05:49 PM, batman64 wrote: This just in...
Cashing in on Jacko's death, McDonalds has announced their new McJackson burger.
It will be a beef patty between 2 12 year old buns.

Yeah may he rot.

I expected better from you than this overused joke.

What's your guys view on metalcore? Like Underoath and As I Lay Dying.

At 6/29/09 07:04 PM, stick-man-dude wrote: What's your guys view on metalcore? Like Underoath and As I Lay Dying.

We don't discuss it. Most (nearly all) of us don't like or straight-up hate it, so we have a Nu-Metal/Metalcore club for the discussion of metalcore (and nu-metal, obvs.)

At 6/29/09 07:13 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 6/29/09 07:04 PM, stick-man-dude wrote: What's your guys view on metalcore? Like Underoath and As I Lay Dying.

We don't discuss it. Most (nearly all) of us don't like or straight-up hate it, so we have a Nu-Metal/Metalcore club for the discussion of metalcore (and nu-metal, obvs.)

Alright thanks. I didn't see it.

Talking to Duff is like talking to a retarded brick wall that's trying to be gangsta.

NO NO NO NO IM FUCKIN DA SHIZ YO FLSKDFLKSJDLFKSDF

Getting back into Katatonia. Not the doom death stuff, Discouraged Ones and that stuff. It's brilliant. I used to listen to it but I was going through my 'delete everything that's not pure perfect metal' phase (I deleted like Otyg and Vintersorg and some death metal and shit. Like wtf) so I got rid of it. You guys like that Katatonia stuff right?

I'm returning from something, to something, to something. I'm returning from something, to something, to something.

At 6/29/09 08:39 PM, PenisClown wrote: Talking to Duff is like talking to a retarded brick wall that's trying to be gangsta.

NO NO NO NO IM FUCKIN DA SHIZ YO FLSKDFLKSJDLFKSDF

You do realize that he doesn't really act annoying anymore right?

Are you kidding. He like misunderstood heaps of shit and made up things he thought I was saying. I didn't accuse ATR of using clean vocals to sell records, I didn't say I think he listens to crap music and that last thing he said? "Yea yea aiight well alla mah peepie peeps listen to mah shiz so you just said they all suck fool".

I don't care if you listen to Ulver Duff, I was just saying that the ATR song sucked cock and so does the band.

AniMetal loves to argue because he apparently gets a thrill, and it seems like Ponos is the same.

I deal with enough fuckwits like you guys every day, I don't want to go on the Internet to entertain myself to see you numbskulls doing more of the same.

Holy shit

STOP IT, YOU GUYS ARE FRIENDS!