At 2/10/09 08:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

Cause some schools offer introduction to philosophy in school. And they teach you what is and what isn't an argument. And insults are not arguments. And you'll realise that the three last posts this gay kid made do not contain anything else than insults...

According to Everything is an Argument, the text for my AP English class, an insult is, indeed an argument. If I were to say "x sucks," I am arguing that I dislike x, and that you shouldn't. It's not a formal argument, but it's an argument. Further examples of arguments; t-shirts, advertisements, logos.

I really think he's more retarded then the guys who clean the toillets at my job...

lmfao

I just found a band from France named Alcest. I think they sound Agallo-ish :P

i think they're like shoegaze/black metal or something

At 2/10/09 08:56 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: what's the fucking point?
I think I will just have to add Gamma Ray to the list of the bands that I do not have the right to like.
And I don't know why your trying to give anyone a lesson... the only shit you listen to is Power Metal... you cannot even say that your a metalhead... that would just be a fucking lie... and I know a lot more about metal than you'll ever do... fucking cry baby.

This is fun, I now know why everyone argues with you!

At least even if I do not agree with everyone in here, Dentatus and Ponos do show some signs of intelligence... but your just retarded...

At 2/10/09 08:57 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And I don't know why your trying to give anyone a lesson... the only shit you listen to is Power Metal... you cannot even say that your a metalhead... that would just be a fucking lie... and I know a lot more about metal than you'll ever do... fucking cry baby.

Hold the fucking phone. Metalhead = someone who likes metal. Even if you listen to only death, or only power, or only black, you're still a metalhead.

I do not see it that way...
I have a lot of friends who only listen to Metallica and Sabbath. These guys aren't metalhead. I think the term metalhead should only be used for "big metal fans"... you know... those who listen to many different genres of metal and many different bands. You know... my little cousins like Sonata Arctica and DragonForce, I still doubt that these 14 years old girls are metalheads.

As for AniMetal only listening to power, look at his top favorite bands. He lists Opeth and Wintersun and, last time I checked, neither were power.

:)

also this is the best argument ever.

I'm kind of tired of this useless arguing... if at least it was leading to something...

At 2/10/09 09:01 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

Cause some schools offer introduction to philosophy in school. And they teach you what is and what isn't an argument. And insults are not arguments. And you'll realise that the three last posts this gay kid made do not contain anything else than insults...

According to Everything is an Argument, the text for my AP English class, an insult is, indeed an argument. If I were to say "x sucks," I am arguing that I dislike x, and that you shouldn't. It's not a formal argument, but it's an argument. Further examples of arguments; t-shirts, advertisements, logos.

If your just failling to proove your point and that you start calling the other dude an ass hole or whateer your favorite insult is, it doesn't count as an argument. And I do not see how t-shirts, advertisements and logos would be arguments.

I really think he's more retarded then the guys who clean the toillets at my job...

lmfao

roflcopter

I just found a band from France named Alcest. I think they sound Agallo-ish :P

i think they're like shoegaze/black metal or something

shoegaze? lol
never heard that before :P

what does it mean?

Listenning to right now : Crown Of Horns by Cryptopsy

At 2/10/09 09:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I do not see it that way...
I have a lot of friends who only listen to Metallica and Sabbath. These guys aren't metalhead. I think the term metalhead should only be used for "big metal fans"... you know... those who listen to many different genres of metal and many different bands. You know... my little cousins like Sonata Arctica and DragonForce, I still doubt that these 14 years old girls are metalheads.

but genre shouldn't matter. If a dude who listens to every power metal band on earth isn't a "true" metalhead, i don't know who is.

If your just failling to proove your point and that you start calling the other dude an ass hole or whateer your favorite insult is, it doesn't count as an argument. And I do not see how t-shirts, advertisements and logos would be arguments.

it's not an argument in the sense of a debate argument, but it is an argument. A T-Shirt with a band's logo on it is arguing that you like the band, an advertisement is arguing that you should do what it says, and a logo is an argument like the ad's.

shoegaze? lol
never heard that before :P

it's a subgenre of noise rock, characterized by really layered guitars, vocals low in the mix, and a spacey atmosphere. Like My Bloody Valentine or Low.

At 2/10/09 07:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Why is it that every single moron thinks that all power metal bands are influenced by Iron Maiden

Pretty much every Metal band other than Black Sabbath could trace its influence back to Maiden. Might not be a direct influence, but influence of an influence.

I think that These three bands have very good vocalists and that they are all different...

They do sound different.
No one who is accustomed to Metal is saying they don't.

At 2/10/09 08:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'd bet anything that you never studied philosophy at school...

I did.
Does that mean I have the right to call you a moron who completely missed the point?
Cause you're a moron who completely missed the point.

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Agalloch transcend genres. Call them metal.
But for the sake of classification, atmospheric post-doom folk metal.

I just call them Folk Metal. That seems to be the dominant style, the Doom/Black influences in there are just part of their Folk sound.

At 2/10/09 09:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: At least even if I do not agree with everyone in here, Dentatus and Ponos do show some signs of intelligence... but your just retarded...

Hmm...

I think the term metalhead should only be used for "big metal fans"... you know... those who listen to many different genres of metal and many different bands. You know... my little cousins like Sonata Arctica and DragonForce, I still doubt that these 14 years old girls are metalheads.

What you're doing is you're taking examples of people who listen to one or two Metal bands of a certain style and saying that, that doesn't constitute them being a Metalhead.
Yet people who listen to lots of bands in one genre is completely different, because they're listening to lots of Metal bands. Just not from a variety of genres.

Fuck, I bet people like him listen to more Metal than I do.

what does it mean?

Means you're stupid.

At 2/10/09 09:13 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 09:07 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I do not see it that way...
I have a lot of friends who only listen to Metallica and Sabbath. These guys aren't metalhead. I think the term metalhead should only be used for "big metal fans"... you know... those who listen to many different genres of metal and many different bands. You know... my little cousins like Sonata Arctica and DragonForce, I still doubt that these 14 years old girls are metalheads.

but genre shouldn't matter. If a dude who listens to every power metal band on earth isn't a "true" metalhead, i don't know who is.

Of if he likes every power metal band that's different.
But maybe we should say he's a power metalhead
Cause you'll have to admit that metal is so vast, that you can be a power metal fan and hate every other genre of metal.

If your just failling to proove your point and that you start calling the other dude an ass hole or whateer your favorite insult is, it doesn't count as an argument. And I do not see how t-shirts, advertisements and logos would be arguments.

it's not an argument in the sense of a debate argument, but it is an argument. A T-Shirt with a band's logo on it is arguing that you like the band, an advertisement is arguing that you should do what it says, and a logo is an argument like the ad's.

I wouldn't call in an argument, I think it's called an opinion.
Arguments are made to support your opinions. But saying "You suck, this band sucks, your stupid!" may be an opinion, but that would make a really poor argument.

shoegaze? lol
never heard that before :P

it's a subgenre of noise rock, characterized by really layered guitars, vocals low in the mix, and a spacey atmosphere. Like My Bloody Valentine or Low.

I do not really know noise rock genre, but I always thought that noise rock was kind of pejorative for a genre classification.

At 2/10/09 09:18 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/10/09 07:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Why is it that every single moron thinks that all power metal bands are influenced by Iron Maiden

Pretty much every Metal band other than Black Sabbath could trace its influence back to Maiden. Might not be a direct influence, but influence of an influence.

You can't really say they are influenced by Sabbath if they are influenced by an influenced by an influenced by Sabbath band. Cause in this way, you would have to say that every single band is influenced by the first guy who ever played guitar. That would be true... but still kind of pointless to mention.

I think that These three bands have very good vocalists and that they are all different...

They do sound different.
No one who is accustomed to Metal is saying they don't.

I hope so :)

At 2/10/09 08:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'd bet anything that you never studied philosophy at school...

I did.
Does that mean I have the right to call you a moron who completely missed the point?
Cause you're a moron who completely missed the point.

My point was that an insult can't be considered being an argument.

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Agalloch transcend genres. Call them metal.
But for the sake of classification, atmospheric post-doom folk metal.

I just call them Folk Metal. That seems to be the dominant style, the Doom/Black influences in there are just part of their Folk sound.

Good.

I think the term metalhead should only be used for "big metal fans"... you know... those who listen to many different genres of metal and many different bands. You know... my little cousins like Sonata Arctica and DragonForce, I still doubt that these 14 years old girls are metalheads.

What you're doing is you're taking examples of people who listen to one or two Metal bands of a certain style and saying that, that doesn't constitute them being a Metalhead.
Yet people who listen to lots of bands in one genre is completely different, because they're listening to lots of Metal bands. Just not from a variety of genres.

Your right.

what does it mean?

Means you're stupid.

:(

These types of posts where its just:

Argument 1

Argument 1 retort

Argument 2

Argument 2 retort

Argument 3

Argument 3 retort

Argument 4

Argument 4 retort

Are really annoying to read. They tend to take up loads of pages as well. I am hereby boycotting them.

At 2/10/09 09:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I wouldn't call in an argument, I think it's called an opinion.
Arguments are made to support your opinions. But saying "You suck, this band sucks, your stupid!" may be an opinion, but that would make a really poor argument.

I could talk about this till the cows come home, and I don't think you're going to understand it better. But let me try one last time.

In english, we dissect an argument into four parts; 1. Position. 2. Support. 3. Analysis (Why is this important?) 4. Further implications.

A good argument is thus:

1. We should drink milk. 2. It has calcium and vitamin D in it. 3. Calcium and Vitamin D are good for you, so milk is good for you. 4. If you drink milk, you will be healthier.

Bad argument:

1. Buy this product. 2. ???? 3. ????? 4.????
OR
1. This band sucks. 2. ????? 3. ????? 4. ????

You see, they are arguments, but they're missing the whole part of the argument. If you cut a leaf off of a stalk of corn, it's still corn, but you wouldn't recognize it as such.

I do not really know noise rock genre, but I always thought that noise rock was kind of pejorative for a genre classification.

Noise is one of my most favorite genres. It's not really pejorative because it's pretty accurate; it's noise, but it's also rock.

At 2/10/09 09:28 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 09:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I wouldn't call in an argument, I think it's called an opinion.
Arguments are made to support your opinions. But saying "You suck, this band sucks, your stupid!" may be an opinion, but that would make a really poor argument.

I could talk about this till the cows come home, and I don't think you're going to understand it better. But let me try one last time.

In english, we dissect an argument into four parts; 1. Position. 2. Support. 3. Analysis (Why is this important?) 4. Further implications.

A good argument is thus:

1. We should drink milk. 2. It has calcium and vitamin D in it. 3. Calcium and Vitamin D are good for you, so milk is good for you. 4. If you drink milk, you will be healthier.

Bad argument:

1. Buy this product. 2. ???? 3. ????? 4.????
OR
1. This band sucks. 2. ????? 3. ????? 4. ????

I didn't fail to get it dude, I understand what your saying, but I'm just sticking to my point.
In fact we're talking about the same thing right now. Your just naming it otherwise.

I say

1. This is an argument
2. This isn't an argument

and you say

1. This is a good argument
2. This is a bad argument

You see, they are arguments, but they're missing the whole part of the argument. If you cut a leaf off of a stalk of corn, it's still corn, but you wouldn't recognize it as such.

If your talking about corn it works...
But if I'd say it for a pen let's say, it would be totally different...
If you would dismantle (I don't know if that's the correct word, sorry I'm french speaking) a pen and only keep the ink you couldn't say it's still a pen.

I did get your point though.

I do not really know noise rock genre, but I always thought that noise rock was kind of pejorative for a genre classification.

I think it sounds pejorative cause most of the time we use the word noise to talk about annoying sounds or very loud and cacophonous sounds.

Noise is one of my most favorite genres. It's not really pejorative because it's pretty accurate; it's noise, but it's also rock.

Any good band to suggest?

Hey Duffy, I'd quit it with the whole antagonizing thing, right about now. It seems like every time you see something you disagree with, you find it to be your civic duty to argue the FUCK out of it, no matter how trivial it is.

Face it, what we talk about here is trivial. Big deal, we like metal. Twenty years from now, no one will care, and we won't care.

At 2/10/09 09:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Any good band to suggest?

I doubt you'd like it. But Lightning Bolt, Big Black, Shellac Mindflayer, Sonic Youth (early works), SWANS (early works), and Arab on Radar pretty much encompass the range of noise rock.

Also, since the argument has died down and all, I'm going to come out and say that you completely misunderstood AniMetal's post in a way i didn't think possible.

At 2/10/09 09:41 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Hey Duffy, I'd quit it with the whole antagonizing thing, right about now. It seems like every time you see something you disagree with, you find it to be your civic duty to argue the FUCK out of it, no matter how trivial it is.

Face it, what we talk about here is trivial. Big deal, we like metal. Twenty years from now, no one will care, and we won't care.

Why should I be the only one to do an effort ?

I'll avoid fighting over random shit, but I just don't stand useless insults, that's it.
You guys are starting to kow me. You may like or dislike me, I do not care, but if you guys think it's useless to fight like this all the time, don't just push me to see if it's going to happen again.

That's all fine with me though.

But I thought we were here to discuss and debate on stuff.

At 2/10/09 09:43 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 09:39 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Any good band to suggest?

I doubt you'd like it. But Lightning Bolt, Big Black, Shellac Mindflayer, Sonic Youth (early works), SWANS (early works), and Arab on Radar pretty much encompass the range of noise rock.

Why is it that you doubt I'd like them?

Also, since the argument has died down and all, I'm going to come out and say that you completely misunderstood AniMetal's post in a way i didn't think possible.

which one? :P

Listenning to right now : Slut by Benighted

At 2/10/09 09:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Why is it that you doubt I'd like them?

'cause it's not very melodic or pleasant-sounding.

which one? :P

the one about gamma ray and bob dylan and all of that.

At 2/10/09 09:52 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 09:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Why is it that you doubt I'd like them?

'cause it's not very melodic or pleasant-sounding.

You know I'm a big Brutal Death Metal fan right?

which one? :P

the one about gamma ray and bob dylan and all of that.

care to explain then?

At 2/10/09 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You know I'm a big Brutal Death Metal fan right?

The difference between Benighted and Mindflayer is that Benighted has a melody. And coherent tones. And the songs aren't 10 minutes long and full of static and feedback.

care to explain then?

Well he wasn't actually insulting Gamma Ray. See, in the previous discussion, people were saying ridiculous comparisons non-metalheads have made about metal with other bands; blind guardian to iron maiden, etc.

AniMetal comes in, humor-hat donned, and poses some hypothetical quotes. See, the humor of the quotes is in the exaggeration; no one could possibly compare Gamma Ray to Bob Dylan. Like, after that, he makes a hypothetical quote from a hypothetical idiot who thinks that Opeth is Nickelback with a different name. See, the humor from his joke is derived from the irony of his statements; they're just too ridiculous to be possible opinions.

Note that he used quotation marks when discussing Bob Dylan and Gamma Ray.

In other words, you argued over nothing. AniMetal doesn't think Gamma Ray sound like Bob Dylan. For all I know, he probably likes Gamma Ray. He was a-jokin'.

sidenote: for a champion of fair opinions and logical arguments, you sure did rip on Bob Dylan a bunch.

At 2/10/09 10:02 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: You know I'm a big Brutal Death Metal fan right?

The difference between Benighted and Mindflayer is that Benighted has a melody. And coherent tones. And the songs aren't 10 minutes long and full of static and feedback.

care to explain then?

Well he wasn't actually insulting Gamma Ray. See, in the previous discussion, people were saying ridiculous comparisons non-metalheads have made about metal with other bands; blind guardian to iron maiden, etc.

AniMetal comes in, humor-hat donned, and poses some hypothetical quotes. See, the humor of the quotes is in the exaggeration; no one could possibly compare Gamma Ray to Bob Dylan. Like, after that, he makes a hypothetical quote from a hypothetical idiot who thinks that Opeth is Nickelback with a different name. See, the humor from his joke is derived from the irony of his statements; they're just too ridiculous to be possible opinions.

Note that he used quotation marks when discussing Bob Dylan and Gamma Ray.

In other words, you argued over nothing. AniMetal doesn't think Gamma Ray sound like Bob Dylan. For all I know, he probably likes Gamma Ray. He was a-jokin'.

Well, I didn't read the previous pages... so I just thought he was one of those retards who compare apples to oranges..
But still try to remember that my first language is french and that I may make some mistakes like these. I do not always get the exact meaning of the sentence or the intention of the guy who's writting it.

sidenote: for a champion of fair opinions and logical arguments, you sure did rip on Bob Dylan a bunch.

:D

Sometimes I just can't control myself :P

At 2/10/09 08:25 PM, AniMetal wrote: I can top both of those:

"Gamma Ray sounds like Bob Dylan only all electric and shit"

"Blind Guardian is just like Slipknot only with shitty lyrics and a gayer voice."

"Since when did Nickleback change their name to Opeth? I'm totally hating their new album, it's so gay and retarded. I wish they stuck to Nickleback, at least then they had girls on their laps every night instead of barely having enough money to tour in a rundown bus."

Did you actually hear people say these things?

Also, Duff...wow, man...wow. I don't know if I should find this funny or sad. I love how nobody bothered to even explain to you why you're such an idiot for what you posted. They just let you carry on. So yeah, I'm going with funny.

Let me ask you this. Do you know what quotation marks are and for what they're used? Because if not, that could be part of your problem, here.

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Agalloch transcend genres. Call them metal.

But for the sake of classification, atmospheric post-doom folk metal.

I could go with that. with some black influences.

At 2/10/09 10:02 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

sidenote: for a champion of fair opinions and logical arguments, you sure did rip on Bob Dylan a bunch.

and he calls himself a folk metal fan. dylan was one of the first ever to use folk in an 'electric' format, he basically invented the whole concept. no one should insult such a legend.

At 2/10/09 10:09 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 2/10/09 08:25 PM, AniMetal wrote: I can top both of those:

"Gamma Ray sounds like Bob Dylan only all electric and shit"

"Blind Guardian is just like Slipknot only with shitty lyrics and a gayer voice."

"Since when did Nickleback change their name to Opeth? I'm totally hating their new album, it's so gay and retarded. I wish they stuck to Nickleback, at least then they had girls on their laps every night instead of barely having enough money to tour in a rundown bus."

Did you actually hear people say these things?

Also, Duff...wow, man...wow. I don't know if I should find this funny or sad. I love how nobody bothered to even explain to you why you're such an idiot for what you posted. They just let you carry on. So yeah, I'm going with funny.

In fact Dentatus did explain it to me. It's of funny that your commenting on a discussion that you didn't even follow. And as I did explain it, I didn't get the whole meaning of the post cause I didn't read all the previous pages and previous posts... just like you did right here. And also, I'm French speaking, so sometimes I may not get the exact meaning of a post.

Let me ask you this. Do you know what quotation marks are and for what they're used? Because if not, that could be part of your problem, here.

I do know what they are made for, thanks a lot.

At 2/10/09 08:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Agalloch transcend genres. Call them metal.

But for the sake of classification, atmospheric post-doom folk metal.

I could go with that. with some black influences.

so Atmospheric Post-Doom Black Folk Metal?

At 2/10/09 10:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact Dentatus did explain it to me. It's of funny that your commenting on a discussion that you didn't even follow.

Yeah, but he's talking about before I explain. If I hadn't explained, he would not have said anything.

I do know what they are made for, thanks a lot.

French-speaker or not, sarcasm, irony, and quotation marks are pretty universal.

God bless you, Duff. God bless you.

This page is full of Pacefalm, besides that tattoo.

At 2/10/09 11:09 PM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: This page is full of Pacefalm, besides that tattoo.

Shit, this place moved pretty fucking fast, was referring to the other page, but this page is like...WOW.

Im still stuck back where philosophy come into all of it :/

At 2/10/09 10:50 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/10/09 10:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact Dentatus did explain it to me. It's of funny that your commenting on a discussion that you didn't even follow.

Yeah, but he's talking about before I explain. If I hadn't explained, he would not have said anything.

I do know what they are made for, thanks a lot.

French-speaker or not, sarcasm, irony, and quotation marks are pretty universal.

Meh, looking back to this post I'm kind of wondering how I missed the quotation marks. Cause at first I did realise that there was quotation marks. Guess I just got confused while answering posts or something.

At 2/11/09 12:13 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Meh, looking back to this post I'm kind of wondering how I missed the quotation marks. Cause at first I did realise that there was quotation marks. Guess I just got confused while answering posts or something.

I know we've addressed that you were mistaken as to what Animetal meant but this sentence in particular...

And you'll realise that the three last posts this gay kid made do not contain anything else than insults...

Is pretty telling. I'm thinking you're more of a reactionary thinker than you think. You champion a view that you've gone flagrantly gone against plenty of times. Was calling him gay a sign of frustration or is that something you're comfortable doing to anyone you disagree with?

At 2/11/09 12:51 AM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 2/11/09 12:13 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Meh, looking back to this post I'm kind of wondering how I missed the quotation marks. Cause at first I did realise that there was quotation marks. Guess I just got confused while answering posts or something.

I know we've addressed that you were mistaken as to what Animetal meant but this sentence in particular...

And you'll realise that the three last posts this gay kid made do not contain anything else than insults...

Is pretty telling. I'm thinking you're more of a reactionary thinker than you think. You champion a view that you've gone flagrantly gone against plenty of times. Was calling him gay a sign of frustration or is that something you're comfortable doing to anyone you disagree with?

If someone's just going to throw insults at me I can't see why I should try to make intelligent posts... I made a few posts, explain my thoughts and opinions (even if I was mistaken). And still everything he did was throwing insults at me. But as I said, I was wrong, I didn't realise soon enough that he wasn't serious.

When I disagree with someone, I like to have an intelligente debate with him, and you'll probably be able to see that I do not insult people when were having a correct dicussion.

I think this discussion is pretty much over... except if everyone in here really feels the need to point out (again) the fact that I made a mistake.

So em Dentatus, Alcest is Shoegaze Black Metal, right?

What's the origin of that word, I feel sleepy and I don't really feel like searching it on Wikipedia (I'll do it tomorrow)

And I feel that the music of this band is so... not heavy at all... It almost feels happy :)

Listenning to right now : Printemps Émeraude by Alcest

At 2/11/09 12:55 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: If someone's just going to throw insults at me I can't see why I should try to make intelligent posts...

So it's basically "But he did it first!"? Shouldn't we be above that?

I think this discussion is pretty much over... except if everyone in here really feels the need to point out (again) the fact that I made a mistake.

I'm not trying to beat that dead horse. You made a mistake it happens sometimes. If your original response to him had not been a mistake, it definitely would be a stupid post. He hasn't responded to the fact that you were misunderstood yet and I don't really blame him for jumping the gun. The fact that you blast people for name calling only to turn around and do it to them is still hypocrisy regardless.

At 2/11/09 01:07 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So em Dentatus, Alcest is Shoegaze Black Metal, right?

I know this wasn't addressed at me but yes that's a pretty good description. It's hardly metal but it does bear some of it's influence.

And I feel that the music of this band is so... not heavy at all... It almost feels happy :)

Almost? That's pretty much the objective as far as I can tell. The lyrics are in french so I don't know what those mean but in interviews with Neige he's said that most of what Souvenir's is, is an ode to nostalgia.

At 2/11/09 01:19 AM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 2/11/09 12:55 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: If someone's just going to throw insults at me I can't see why I should try to make intelligent posts...

So it's basically "But he did it first!"? Shouldn't we be above that?

Probably... but as you may know, I'm always fighting with people in here, and I tend to get angry when I see that when someone disagree with me he always has to call me names. I always try to avoid insulting people, as much as possible. And second of, I never use an insult as an argument.

I think this discussion is pretty much over... except if everyone in here really feels the need to point out (again) the fact that I made a mistake.

I'm not trying to beat that dead horse. You made a mistake it happens sometimes. If your original response to him had not been a mistake, it definitely would be a stupid post. He hasn't responded to the fact that you were misunderstood yet and I don't really blame him for jumping the gun. The fact that you blast people for name calling only to turn around and do it to them is still hypocrisy regardless.

Yeah maybe, still I avoid being the first to throw a rock at someone... If I answer to insults, you can say this is hypocrisy, I'll say this is self-defense :P

At 2/11/09 01:07 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So em Dentatus, Alcest is Shoegaze Black Metal, right?

I know this wasn't addressed at me but yes that's a pretty good description. It's hardly metal but it does bear some of it's influence.

I decided to take a look at Wikipedia and they say that Shoegaze comes from the fact that the first guys to play that kind of music where always gazing at their shoes and standing still.

I read some stuff about Alcest also and I would say from what I have read and heard that they are something Shoegaze Black Post-Metal or something like this.

And I feel that the music of this band is so... not heavy at all... It almost feels happy :)

Almost? That's pretty much the objective as far as I can tell. The lyrics are in french so I don't know what those mean but in interviews with Neige he's said that most of what Souvenir's is, is an ode to nostalgia.

No it's not really happy and it is in fact really nostalgic. But I feel that compared to other atmospheric or ambient bands, Alcest doesn't sound melancholic or sad. That's pretty much what I meant.
Maybe tomorrow I'll translate some of the lyrics for you if you care.

Also, I really like the cover of the album

At 2/11/09 01:36 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Maybe tomorrow I'll translate some of the lyrics for you if you care.

That would actually be really cool. I tried to find them translated through google back when I first started listening to the album a lot and couldn't find much.

Also, I really like the cover of the album

I do too.